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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,496 posts)
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:42 PM May 2016

Gun control - what's wrong

We have laws against certain acts because they objectively hurt people and help no one. Murder is an unjust, aggressive and fatally hurtful act, thus it has been codified as illegal.

Simply owning a gun hurts no one. But with gun control we try to prevent or at least make it more difficult for the criminals (and others on the prohibited list) to arm themselves. The law now makes allowing the criminal to have the gun a crime. It used to be that criminals were allowed to have guns unless they used the gun in committing crime. I'm thinking that if guns weren't used to murder, gun control wouldn't be much of an issue or at least not the issue it is today in the US.


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Gun control - what's wrong (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 OP
I believe the antil's.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #1
See #5 "It's not about guns; it's about control discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #8
An armed citizenry is too hard to control Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #9
as the founders intended discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #10
False. Kang Colby May 2016 #2
True tortoise1956 May 2016 #3
No, they're trying to ban things *less* misused than knives and baseball bats. benEzra May 2016 #6
We can't ban knives and bats discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #7
A rather under-discussed issue, I believe, is that Controllers fail to distinguish........ pablo_marmol May 2016 #4
It is not about gun control; it is about control. GreydeeThos May 2016 #5
 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
1. I believe the antil's....
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

Are controllers.

Guns are just a 'target' of their lust for control.

Firearms are a fierce symbol of independence and unwillingness to be controlled.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
2. False.
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

Big gun control has also supported bans on just about everything you can think of from sodium, sugar, sodas, free speech, due process, loud headphones, loud music at public concerts, and term limits.

Not all gun control advocates are nanny staters, but all nanny staters are gun control advocates.

tortoise1956

(671 posts)
3. True
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:25 AM
May 2016

The gun control crowd gets traction every time that some dumbshit leaves a weapon lying around and a kid gets hurt, or a mentally impaired individual decides he wants his 15 minutes of fame and mows down innocent civilians. You don't see them raising millions to register knives, or baseball bats, do you?

It may not be fair, but it's true, and that's all the poll asked.

Of course, that's just MY opinion. I could be wrong...

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
6. No, they're trying to ban things *less* misused than knives and baseball bats.
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016
"You don't see them raising millions to register knives, or baseball bats, do you? "

No, I see them shelling out millions to outlaw weapons that result in far *fewer* deaths than knives, baseball bats, and bicycles.

Murder, by State and Type of Weapon, 2014 (FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 2014)

[font face="courier new"]Total murders...................... 11,961
Handguns............................ 5,562 (46.5%)
Firearms (type unknown)............. 2,052 (17.2%)
Clubs, rope, fire, etc.............. 1,610 (13.5%)
Knives and other cutting weapons.... 1,567 (13.1%)
Hands, fists, feet.................... 660 (5.5%)
Shotguns.............................. 262 (2.2%)
Rifles................................ 248 (2.1%) [/font]

The guns the prohibition lobby has been fighting hardest to outlaw for the last 25 years are the most popular civilian rifles. Look at that chart and tell me how rifles compare to knives or clubs....

They have also campaigned hard for banning guns that have been used in zero murders in this country that I am aware of (e.g. 50-caliber precision rifles). So, yeah, they don't care how rarely guns are misused; they want to ban them.

I'll also point out that the gun-control lobby primarily targets the most law-abiding of gun owners (CCW licensees and competitive shooters), not the people actually going out and shooting each other on the streets on a daily basis.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
4. A rather under-discussed issue, I believe, is that Controllers fail to distinguish........
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:32 AM
May 2016

......between military weaponry and civilian.

With their (respectable!) aversion to war, guns are seen as symbols of violence regardless of whether they're employed in combat or at home. A gun is evil -- pure and simple -- and has NOT ONE beneficial use. Gunz is eebil 'cause I say so. End of debate. Love and tolerance is the liberal code -- except when it comes to folks who enjoy target shooting and/or harbor a perfectly reasonable desire for self defense. The hypocrisy is mind-melting.
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