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Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:36 PM Jul 2018

TAD DEVINE Still working for Bernie Sanders

Putin asset still working for Bernie Sanders; refuses to deny whether he still works with jailbird Manafort.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for
4:07 PM - Jul 20, 2018

A Top Bernie Sanders Adviser Is Named In The Evidence List For Paul Manafort’s Trial

An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014.
It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012. He lied.

SNIP
His role in the investigation entangles the Sanders orbit in an expansive government inquiry that has probed questions surrounding Russia’s interference in the US election, Trump’s potential obstruction of justice, and the insider world of lobbying and influence in Washington that runs counter to the Vermont senator’s own brand of insurgent anti-establishment politics.

Devine’s firm, Devine Mulvey Longabaugh, continues to do work for Sanders, who is running for reelection in the US Senate this year, as well as other 2018 candidates.

Manafort and his former associate Rick Gates, who served as Trump’s deputy campaign chair, worked on behalf of Viktor Yanukovych, the former pro-Russia president of Ukraine, beginning in the mid-2000s.
Devine also worked in Ukraine with Manafort on Yanukovych’s behalf — a long-public business arrangement.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for

Such a fine bunch to be closely connected to.
The trail leads straight to Putin.

I'm sure Mueller will put it all in perspective real soon.
Sure would be good if Mueller can lift the Manafort/Devine weight hanging from Sanders' shoulders.

We'll wait...

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TAD DEVINE Still working for Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Wwcd Jul 2018 OP
I didn't support Sanders in the primary. nycbos Jul 2018 #1
Don't think he'll be able to run as a Democrat Hortensis Jul 2018 #46
Don't we have a rule about spreading and fueling conspiracy theories here at DU? KPN Jul 2018 #2
Its not a ct. Its in the Buzzfeed article. And is a true fact. Wwcd Jul 2018 #4
You tampered with the article. The sentence"He lied" are not in the article you posted. Autumn Jul 2018 #8
This isn't Latest Breaking News, there is no requirement that the article be quoted.... George II Jul 2018 #31
Nowhere is it okay to attempt to include a sentence in a published article Autumn Jul 2018 #35
Did the Buzzfeed article call Devine a "Putin asset"? No, but your OP leads with it. And that ... KPN Jul 2018 #27
The words "He lied." are not in the article either. Those were causally added by the OP Autumn Jul 2018 #7
Tampered!!! HaahaA..oh my. He did lie when he said he cut ties with Manfort after Ukraine. Wwcd Jul 2018 #9
No you dishonestly added those words to the published article you posted. Autumn Jul 2018 #11
He did Lie. Proof is in the Manafort emails. Wwcd Jul 2018 #13
The "He lied" are your own words added to Ruby Cramers published article. Autumn Jul 2018 #14
That is an insulting accusation. Wwcd Jul 2018 #15
No. It's a fact as evidenced in your OP. Autumn Jul 2018 #17
Oooookaaay.. details details details..too bad Tad didn't pay attention to details instead of LYING! Wwcd Jul 2018 #19
You know what they say. The devil is in the details. Autumn Jul 2018 #20
Kind of like when a Dem candidate shouts "turn the seat RED"! that kind of made-up detail? Wwcd Jul 2018 #23
I don't know what details were "made up". Devine said he stopped working with Manafort in 2012.... George II Jul 2018 #34
You'll have to point out where anyone in this thread said that Ruby Cramer the Autumn Jul 2018 #36
Better? It changes nothing as to the TRUTH of the article. Wwcd Jul 2018 #16
This might help you Autumn Jul 2018 #18
I don't see where you may have answered my next question. Wwcd Jul 2018 #21
You didn't miss it. I don't discuss politics with some posters. Autumn Jul 2018 #22
No c'mon now. Sorry you missed the truth of the article, , but it sure made for a fine debate here! Wwcd Jul 2018 #24
Unless you've seen the document and emails and know what they contain you have no truth, Autumn Jul 2018 #25
??? What do they say about assumptions? Never heard of it. Wwcd Jul 2018 #26
What was his lie? Do you have a quote? Any facts to back up your statement? KPN Jul 2018 #28
One would think that the documents have been made public the way this thread reads. Autumn Jul 2018 #37
I loved that ad Uncle Joe Jul 2018 #38
I watch it a couple times a week or more. The joy and enthusiasm lift me up when I get Autumn Jul 2018 #39
Yes, you would think so. KPN Jul 2018 #43
I agree Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #3
Again,a failed MSM event that should have been Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #5
He should take Muellers findings seriously & cut the ties to Devine & his company immediately. Wwcd Jul 2018 #6
It's actually staggering that he didn't cut ties when it first came out. His Ukraine OnDoutside Jul 2018 #33
They never expected the EMAILS to end up in Robert Mueller's hands Wwcd Jul 2018 #40
Great point. OnDoutside Jul 2018 #45
There are emails to-from Devine-Kilimnick and/or re: Ukraine after 2012 More_Cowbell Jul 2018 #10
That is good advice to be aware of. Truth is, Tad did Lie, & both Wwcd Jul 2018 #12
From Webster's: KPN Jul 2018 #29
I find this mindboggling. There are plenty of dots out there now that can easily be connected. George II Jul 2018 #30
If Devine is dirty, Rick Gates will know that, and will have told Mueller. OnDoutside Jul 2018 #32
That is the truth. Gates talked. Mueller already knows the content of those emails Wwcd Jul 2018 #41
Sanders has admitted he knew the Kremlin was promoting Hortensis Jul 2018 #42
Thank You 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 Wwcd Jul 2018 #44
K&R Gothmog Jul 2018 #47
He seems to keep people around longer than he should. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #48
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #49

nycbos

(6,044 posts)
1. I didn't support Sanders in the primary.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:49 PM
Jul 2018

But if he runs I don't want any Democrat to be tainted with Russia. If he keeps Devine around people will imply he is guilty by association so I hope he cuts ties with Devine. There are no shortage of consultants who would love to work for him.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. Don't think he'll be able to run as a Democrat
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 08:27 AM
Jul 2018

as the remaining faction of his early following in the party becomes increasingly hostile to mainstream Democrats.

Hopefully the current trends will reverse as the Mueller report and prosecutions climax, but right now this nation is developing factions who fight Russia (Democrats and a minority of conservatives) and those who either merely welcome Russia's assistance in their fight against Democrats and/or those who actively ally with Russia (Republican Party, other conservatives/libertarians, and some left-wing groups).

For a long time Sanders himself has been straddling those sides, occasionally siding with Democrats against Republicans, fighting to unseat Democrats from office, and presumably only tacitly accepting Russia's assistance in trying to weaken the Democratic Party.

Now that Sanders has ditched his temporary identity as a Democrat, though, many of his harder-core followers have ditched any straddle and deepened their antagonism toward the mainstream of the Democratic Party. As this type goes more extreme, the differences between them and the extreme right grow narrower.

Ohio's OR types endorsed Dennis Kucinich, a long-time apologist for Russia who's become a Fox commentator, endorsed Hannity's claims of a Democratic "deep state" out to get Trump, cast Michael Flynn as a victim, and at one point called Trump's Russia problems "a bunch of nothing." Many details in Kucinich's behavior have even lead some to speculate that he might have been compromised by Russia in yet another "how else to explain it" phenomenon.

So many examples, but a rather frivolous one that nevertheless sticks is the Our Revolution chapter that somewhat bizarrely was going to protest at a Hillary Clinton speaking engagement a couple months ago, something that must have made sense to them. Sanders dissociated from their actions, but that they chose to attack Clinton instead of any of dozens of corrupt, fascistic and even treasonous Republicans in their region is indicative. As is these types' pervasive hostility toward us on social media wherever they gather.

This type would, of course, support Sanders running as a Democrat as long as they saw it as a hostile incursion into the party, but as they become increasingly known for hostility, I really doubt we'd allow this in 2020. Hopefully, their enemy-of-my-enemy support for Russia will become too damaging to continue by then, but it could also instead increase.

KPN

(15,697 posts)
2. Don't we have a rule about spreading and fueling conspiracy theories here at DU?
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:53 PM
Jul 2018

There is nothing in the linked article regarding "Putin asset" as your OP describes. Nor has Devine been charged or indicted for anything.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
4. Its not a ct. Its in the Buzzfeed article. And is a true fact.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:15 PM
Jul 2018

Nothing in TOS to remove this from DU.
It is legitimate.
Mueller's finding was made public. What are we supposed to believe? We have a duty to question this.

We should be concerned whenever its found out that the Kremlin has links to our Party.

I'm sure Sanders is concerned as well & am sure he will denounce Devine's business ties between Manafort & his campaign.

It is said Sanders was used by Devine/Manafort.

Bernie Sanders needs to clear his name from this nasty connection that brought us Donald Trump.

ASAP PLEASE! Then we can all move forward assuredly.

We have a right & a duty to expect it be put to rest.
Sanders is the only one who must do so.
Clear his good name.

Thanks

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
8. You tampered with the article. The sentence"He lied" are not in the article you posted.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:01 PM
Jul 2018

I'm sure we can wait for you to correct your addition of that sentence that Ruby Cramer didn't put in her written and published article

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016211489

Wwcd (5,591 posts)


TAD DEVINE Still working for Bernie Sanders
Putin asset still working for Bernie Sanders; refuses to deny whether he still works with jailbird Manafort.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for
4:07 PM - Jul 20, 2018

A Top Bernie Sanders Adviser Is Named In The Evidence List For Paul Manafort’s Trial

An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014.
It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012. He lied.



A Top Bernie Sanders Adviser Is Named In The Evidence List For Paul Manafort’s Trial
An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014. It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012.

Emails and documents from Tad Devine, a political operative who served at the highest levels of the Bernie Sanders campaign, could be presented as evidence in the Special Counsel’s Office’s prosecution of Paul Manafort, Donald Trump’s former campaign chair.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for


George II

(67,782 posts)
31. This isn't Latest Breaking News, there is no requirement that the article be quoted....
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 05:30 PM
Jul 2018

....word for word. I presume that's one of the reasons the link to the column is provided, so everyone can read it for themselves.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
35. Nowhere is it okay to attempt to include a sentence in a published article
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jul 2018

that is not put there by the reporter who wrote the piece. Unless it's Fox News. They do it to mislead and obfuscate, those of use who pay attention can catch that trick easily. It's not cool to attempt to pass off one's personal opinion as a part of a reporters published story in a way that attempts to make it read like a part of the story.

KPN

(15,697 posts)
27. Did the Buzzfeed article call Devine a "Putin asset"? No, but your OP leads with it. And that ...
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 05:03 PM
Jul 2018

is nothing but a theory -- a conspiracy theory imo.

Not to mention you embellished the conspiracy theory further with your statement that it was in
Mueller's finding". Your quote exactly. The evidence list is not a "finding" by any stretch. It's a list of evidence that will be introduced and used in the trial used to support the charges against Manafort, not Devine ... and there is zero indication that Devine is going to be accused or indicted for a crime by Manafort.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
7. The words "He lied." are not in the article either. Those were causally added by the OP
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:50 PM
Jul 2018

after this paragraph from the article:

"An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014. It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012.

No sentence containing the words "He lied." in the article as it was
written by Ruby Cramer whose article the poster tampered with. The article then goes on to the next paragraph. Very deceitful thing to do by the poster.

Emails and documents from Tad Devine, a political operative who served at the highest levels of the Bernie Sanders campaign, could be presented as evidence in the Special Counsel’s Office’s prosecution of Paul Manafort, Donald Trump’s former campaign chair.


This is the link to the article: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for

This is from the OP:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016211489

A Top Bernie Sanders Adviser Is Named In The Evidence List For Paul Manafort’s Trial

An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014.
It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012. He lied.


Notice the sentence with words "He lied." are in what the OP posted but not in the original article. We all know why that was added.
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
9. Tampered!!! HaahaA..oh my. He did lie when he said he cut ties with Manfort after Ukraine.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:06 PM
Jul 2018

And NOW Mueller's findings show Devine was a regular in sharing emails & contact with Manafort as late as 2014, which incidently is the same time RU got heavily involved in selecting Trump above all others.

"HE LIED", Is not a lie.

Tampering with evidence?
Nope.
Bye

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
11. No you dishonestly added those words to the published article you posted.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:12 PM
Jul 2018

You added the sentence "He lied." to the article, the author who wrote the piece did not have that sentence, you added it in your excerpt.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
14. The "He lied" are your own words added to Ruby Cramers published article.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:25 PM
Jul 2018

The author of the piece did not write those words. You added that to the paragraph, and bolded everything , hoping no one would notice.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
17. No. It's a fact as evidenced in your OP.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:39 PM
Jul 2018


TAD DEVINE Still working for Bernie Sanders
Putin asset still working for Bernie Sanders; refuses to deny whether he still works with jailbird Manafort.

You underlined that part so we know that is your opinion.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for
4:07 PM - Jul 20, 2018

A Top Bernie Sanders Adviser Is Named In The Evidence List For Paul Manafort’s Trial

An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014.
It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012. He lied.


You didn't bother to underline your opinion He lied. You just let it flow.
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
19. Oooookaaay.. details details details..too bad Tad didn't pay attention to details instead of LYING!
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:46 PM
Jul 2018

He's is neck deep in Manafort's KGB associations, & he lies to cover it up.

Why . Why did he Lie about it?

Tad DeVine, the man who's credibility has now dropped to z.e.r.o.

Can't wait for Mueller's next big reveal as to who else Lied.

Thank the gods for Robrrt Mueller

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
20. You know what they say. The devil is in the details.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:48 PM
Jul 2018

Like when details are made up and included in someones published work by someone for "whatever" reason.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
23. Kind of like when a Dem candidate shouts "turn the seat RED"! that kind of made-up detail?
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:53 PM
Jul 2018

It really is all in the details then, isn't it.

Thanks for pointing it out.
I think we've made progress here today.

Later...

George II

(67,782 posts)
34. I don't know what details were "made up". Devine said he stopped working with Manafort in 2012....
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 06:00 PM
Jul 2018

....and it seems that he was still working with him in 2014. That isn't made up, and it contradicts what Devine said previously, i.e. - he lied.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
36. You'll have to point out where anyone in this thread said that Ruby Cramer the
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 06:22 PM
Jul 2018
reporter who wrote the article , "made up" any details. No one has said that. Unless I missed that post? I myself think the reporter Ruby Cramer, wrote a very clear, well balanced and informative article.
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
16. Better? It changes nothing as to the TRUTH of the article.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:37 PM
Jul 2018

Devine Lied.

Next question:
What's he covering up ?
Did he think his lie would go unnoticed by Robert Mueller?


Indictments will come to the complicit.
Let the chips fall...



Autumn

(45,120 posts)
18. This might help you
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jul 2018
https://writingcommons.org/open-text/research-methods-methodologies/integrate-evidence/incorporate-evidence/453-inserting-or-altering-words-in-a-direct-quotation

What punctuation should be used when words are inserted or altered in a direct quotation?

When writers insert or alter words in a direct quotation, square brackets—[ ]—are placed around the change. The brackets, always used in pairs, enclose words intended to clarify meaning, provide a brief explanation, or to help integrate the quote into the writer’s sentence. A common error writers make is to use parentheses in place of brackets.
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
21. I don't see where you may have answered my next question.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:49 PM
Jul 2018

Maybe I missed it.


Meeting fam for the afternoon. We can continue our discussion later.

Bye!
Been a pleasure chatting with you.
Thanks

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
22. You didn't miss it. I don't discuss politics with some posters.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:51 PM
Jul 2018
Just pointing out what you did to someones published work.
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
24. No c'mon now. Sorry you missed the truth of the article, , but it sure made for a fine debate here!
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 04:01 PM
Jul 2018

The Truth of the article still remains the truth of Tad Devine's Lie that he had nothing to do with Manafort since their old electioneering days in the Ukraine for Putin.

Proof remains in Manafort's EMAILS.
Imagine that. Its Manafort's EMAILS that'll bust this coup on America's Govt wide open.
Well that & a lot of other data that Mueller has to reveal.

Ha! The EMAILS!!
There's some serious irony in this sordid mess.
Ya think?


Later..really have to be on my way.

Been fun Atumn, thanks!

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
25. Unless you've seen the document and emails and know what they contain you have no truth,
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 04:26 PM
Jul 2018

just assumptions. And you know what they say about assumptions

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
37. One would think that the documents have been made public the way this thread reads.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 06:59 PM
Jul 2018
The only one who knows what is contained in the documents and what they prove or don't prove are Muellers team and the courts. It will come out in their time. Devine's company represents or has represented a lot of Democrats over the years, not just Bernie Sanders.
I did find out that Julian Mulvey was the Creative Director of the Bernie Sanders for President TV advertising.

He did my favorite, America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=2nwRiuh1Cug

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
39. I watch it a couple times a week or more. The joy and enthusiasm lift me up when I get
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 07:37 PM
Jul 2018

too overwhelmed with all the nastiness going on.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
3. I agree
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:00 PM
Jul 2018

I remember when Hillary aligned herself with Mark Penn. I knew it was a mistake to have someone that dastardly attached to her campaign. If Devine is implicated in any way Bernie should dump him ASAP.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Again,a failed MSM event that should have been
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:16 PM
Jul 2018

reported out. But,if is had a Hillary tie in,you know damn well it would have been reported out.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
6. He should take Muellers findings seriously & cut the ties to Devine & his company immediately.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jul 2018

We voters have a right & a duty to expect this be dealt with swiftly.

You are correct about Clinton.
I recall that with a Wall Street speech she was condemned to being forever "in the pocket of Wall Street"

This Kremlin link is far more serious & I hope Sanders stands up for his good name and quickly denounces all ties to Devine until Mueller either indicts Devine or clears him.

This is extremely concerning.
Sanders can immediately put the concerns to rest.
Hope he takes this as serious as we all do.

😐

OnDoutside

(19,993 posts)
33. It's actually staggering that he didn't cut ties when it first came out. His Ukraine
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 05:51 PM
Jul 2018

work should have seen to that. It has to put a question mark over Sanders judgement.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
40. They never expected the EMAILS to end up in Robert Mueller's hands
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 07:53 PM
Jul 2018

They thought they were all safe.



More_Cowbell

(2,192 posts)
10. There are emails to-from Devine-Kilimnick and/or re: Ukraine after 2012
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jul 2018

See exhibits 17-19

I assumed that since the OP's "he lied" was before the "snip," that it was OP's own opinion. I agree that we need to distinguish our opinions from what we snip. Personally, I wouldn't have bolded both my opinion and the snippet. But then I haven't been brave enough to post anything yet!



 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
12. That is good advice to be aware of. Truth is, Tad did Lie, & both
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:15 PM
Jul 2018

Manafort & Kilimnick are some awfully heavy Kremlin cronies to be trying to untangle oneself from.
The proof is right there for the world to see.
Mueller will blow the lid off the whole shebang in due time.

Only wish Bernie would denounce his current ties to that Manafort powder keg.
He could emerge quite a leader for this country rather than fight for legitimacy under this Kremlin cloud of suspicion.

He owes it to himself, his constituents & his country.

KPN

(15,697 posts)
29. From Webster's:
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 05:21 PM
Jul 2018

Definition of truth
plural truths play ˈtrüt͟hz, ˈtrüths
1 a (1) : the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
(2) : the state of being the case : fact
(3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality
b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true


 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
41. That is the truth. Gates talked. Mueller already knows the content of those emails
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 08:04 PM
Jul 2018

Seems like an aweful lot of correspondence passed from Manafort to TAD.

Mueller already knows what those conversations were about.
He already has read the EMAILS.
That's why he made public the list

He knows what was discussed as the campaigns were just being formed.
That is a timeline that sets the stage for the rest of the campaign.

Will be an interesting moment when Robert Mueller pulls the veils from the faces.





Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
42. Sanders has admitted he knew the Kremlin was promoting
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 08:22 PM
Jul 2018

him for months in 2015 and 2016. But he kept quiet about it. Russia continues to promote his dissension by greatly augmenting those of his messages they find helpful in their war against the Democratic Party.

This all only came out when revealed by others. Sanders did NOT inform the nation of or denounce Russia's involvement on his behalf. He also did not warn his supporters of the deluge of toxic Kool-Aid the Kremlin was and is aiming at them specifically and apparently often by name, imo a major betrayal of all who trusted him.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
44. Thank You 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:45 PM
Jul 2018

There's a reason Mueller released the Manafort to DeVine Emails to the public this last week.

Mueller does nothing for personal nor political reasons.
He has read what all those emails revealed.

This is serious shite folks.

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