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Omaha Steve

(99,737 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:10 AM Nov 2014

Fast-Food Workers Fighting for Higher Wages Plan Strike

Source: Bloomberg

By Craig Giammona

Fast-food workers in dozens of U.S. cities are planning to walk off the job next week as they continue pushing for higher wages and union rights.

Workers at fast-food restaurants in 160 cities will strike Dec. 4 in their latest attempt to pressure companies including McDonald’s Corp. (MCD), Burger King Worldwide Inc. and Wendy’s Co. to pay employees at least $15 an hour and let them unionize, organizers said.

In September, fast-food workers blocked traffic and were arrested at demonstrations across the country as the “Fight for $15” movement sought to raise its profile. More than 3 million workers prepare and serve food in the U.S., and they make $9.08 an hour on average, according to government data. The strike planned for next week, expected to be the largest since the movement began two years ago, will highlight the plight of low-paid workers in the industry, said Kendall Fells, an organizing director in New York with Fast Food Forward, a coalition funded by the Service Employees International Union.

“The attention it draws will give these workers a platform to tell their stories,” he said in a phone interview. “Two years ago people said these fast-food workers were crazy for wanting $15. Now Americans are paying attention.”

FULL story at link.



Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
Fast-food workers and supporters organized by the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) protest outside of a McDonald's Corp. restaurant in Los Angeles, California, U.S., on Thursday, Aug. 29, 2013.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-29/fast-food-workers-fighting-for-higher-wages-plan-strike.html

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Fast-Food Workers Fighting for Higher Wages Plan Strike (Original Post) Omaha Steve Nov 2014 OP
K&R.... daleanime Nov 2014 #1
You do know that Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #2
yes redruddyred Nov 2014 #4
That is not your decision to question Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #5
clearly he is a poor businessperson. redruddyred Nov 2014 #6
You call him a poor businessman Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #11
"Personal responsibility"? BuddhaGirl Nov 2014 #12
So 40 year old workers have made "piss poor business decisions"? daleanime Nov 2014 #13
Read the entire post Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #16
Oh, that makes it allright.... daleanime Nov 2014 #17
Huh Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #18
are you kidding me? redruddyred Dec 2014 #32
Really? Do you know the person? yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #30
I would say the average age of fast food workers that I have seen over the last year Thor_MN Nov 2014 #9
20 years in the field..... daleanime Nov 2014 #10
What a surprise to find you here. Now the Jimmy Johns owner is your brother? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #19
Huh Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #20
Like I told you, site search provides the answers. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #21
Might I suggest you take your own advice Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #22
Then why did you just pretend not to know anything about them? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #23
Because I don't own a franchise Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #24
Why don't you just check with your brother and get back to us? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #25
No need Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #26
Claiming that others are also underpaid doesn't validate your argument. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #27
Give up Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #28
I still don't understand how they can sell a chicken sandwich for $1 oberliner Nov 2014 #3
You don't want to know. Ash_F Nov 2014 #15
You are probably right oberliner Nov 2014 #31
Jimmy Johns === right wing, anti-labor corporation. Hoppy Nov 2014 #7
And yes, in evenings, some of the workers in the local grease pits are teens. Hoppy Nov 2014 #8
Kick.... daleanime Nov 2014 #14
An increase is due for certain. Socal31 Nov 2014 #29

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
2. You do know that
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:14 AM
Nov 2014

Those restuarants are franchised and not owned by the corporation right? My brother owns a Jimmy Johns franchise that he sunk his entire life savings in. At $15 an hour he goes bankrupt and his 14 employees, all high school and college students are out of a job. Those are facts, not pixie dust dreams like yours.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
4. yes
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:29 AM
Nov 2014

the companies are shafting the franchise owners too.
and the question remains, why would you want to invest in a fast food joint??

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
5. That is not your decision to question
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:32 AM
Nov 2014

It was his dream to own his own business and after 35 years of working for a large corporation he so,d everything to do it. Now people like the OP want him to give up everything so a 16 year old making sandwiches can make $35,000 a year. Foolish

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
6. clearly he is a poor businessperson.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:35 AM
Nov 2014

he should have done his research ahead of time.
the people working for him will never make enough to fulfill their dreams, how do you think they feel?
also your characterization of fast food workers is entirely false. the ones where I live are about 40.

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
11. You call him a poor businessman
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:33 PM
Nov 2014

Yet claim to know fast food workers that are 40 years old. Let me educate you on something, if your a fast food worker in your 40's and that is your career of choice, you've made some piss poor business decisions of your own.

Have you ever heard of personal responsibility, it's not his responsibility to fulfill a 16-22 year olds dream. That is their responsibility that knowing them personally, they will. Do you know why, it's because those 16-22 year old people know the Jimmy Johns job is a pathway to a better life. He is helping them fulfill their dreams but it's their responsibility to do so.

BuddhaGirl

(3,610 posts)
12. "Personal responsibility"?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 02:34 PM
Nov 2014

Here's some info for you...read and learn:

"The classic image of the high-school student flipping Big Macs after class is sorely out of date. Because of lingering unemployment and a relative abundance of fast-food jobs, older workers are increasingly entering the industry. These days, according to the National Employment Law Project, the average age of fast-food workers is 29. Forty percent are 25 or older; 31 percent have at least attempted college; more than 26 percent are parents raising children. Union organizers say that one-third to one-half of them have more than one job — like Mr. Shoy, who is 58 and supports a wife and children. "


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/01/nyregion/older-workers-are-increasingly-entering-fast-food-industry.html?pagewanted=all

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
13. So 40 year old workers have made "piss poor business decisions"?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 03:38 PM
Nov 2014

To work rather then not work is a "piss poor business decision"....





So I take it that you feel eating is an unnecessary expense?

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
17. Oh, that makes it allright....
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 10:54 PM
Nov 2014

you know I did read the complete post, several times in fact. Same for this post. So this doesn't count except for those who made it their primary choice, but since no one makes it their primary choice that means it applies to no body, but then why say it. Leaves me to say one thing.



If you don't mean what you say, why say it?

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
32. are you kidding me?
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 12:52 PM
Dec 2014
Do you know why, it's because those 16-22 year old people know the Jimmy Johns job is a pathway to a better life.
no, it's not. it's a dead end. I know, because I've been there. they work you to exhaustion, and then don't pay you enough to spend it on any more than necessities. often, not even that.

I don't know why your brother would want to be part of a franchise which so willingly and ostentatiously exploits people. shouldn't he realize that his employees might come to resent him? it's wrong and it's stupid (the two are often conflated).
 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
9. I would say the average age of fast food workers that I have seen over the last year
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 10:16 AM
Nov 2014

is nearly 30. Trying to claim that fast food workers are 16 years old is wildly inaccurate statement.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
10. 20 years in the field.....
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 11:24 AM
Nov 2014

as a manager. I am very aware of the nature of these kind of places. First I'm surprised that all 14(? oh, sub shoppe) are students. Is he located on campus? I've never lost more then 5 or 6 people to school at the end of summer and that's out of crews of fifty to sixty, always loved to get as many students as I could. Only wanted part time, were available peak periods, summer and holiday breaks, and left during slow periods.

And that touches on issue number#2. Fast food workers are not all students. Not even close. The only crew I've ever seen that came close was on campus and even that group had 10-12 local non-student workers. Even nestled in a campus of 30,000 the staffing was never 100% student. But even if it was, should some one receive less pay just because they are improving themselves?

Now let's talk about survival. We'll cover survival of his crew first, because I know you don't care about that. Now I know that his staff is only students, but how many are trying to support themselves? Not all students come from nice story book sittings where every resource they need is available to them. And almost every other store with non-student crews? Rather then worry about being able to afford housing, transportation, food, clothing, health care, etc...they should worry about the owners pocket first? He is the "job creator" after all.

Now as to the business, why would he go under? True sub shop price would be affected more then fast food joints, fewer units sold, but crew size is also much smaller. And most importantly ALL his competition is in the same boat!

So this breaks down to you want your brother to make as much money as possible and to hell with every one else.




So you know what you can do with your pixie dust and then plug the hole up.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
19. What a surprise to find you here. Now the Jimmy Johns owner is your brother?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:02 AM
Nov 2014

Does he make his employees sign pledges that they won't work for other fast food companies too?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
21. Like I told you, site search provides the answers.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:19 AM
Nov 2014
Jimmy Johns has been in the news a lot in the last few years, and this time it is due to a lawsuit that is taking the fast food chain to court by its former employees. It seems that the food conglomerate makes all employees sign a non-competition form that forbids them from working for any other sandwich shop for two years. This includes their lowest wage earners, the makers of the sandwiches and the “freaky fast” delivery drivers.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025693644

Plenty more out there.

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
22. Might I suggest you take your own advice
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:24 AM
Nov 2014

One simple google search and you will find that they have not found one instance where the non compete has been enforced and its up to the individual franchise owner to request.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
23. Then why did you just pretend not to know anything about them?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:29 AM
Nov 2014

And why do they make them sign them? Hmm?

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
24. Because I don't own a franchise
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:35 AM
Nov 2014

And I doubt many if at all owners require them to be signed. Non compete are useless unless the enforcing company is willing to pay you for the sitout period.

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
26. No need
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:39 AM
Nov 2014

I doubt he makes his 16 year old employees sign a contact that can't be enforced because they are not a legal adult, which is also why they should not be paid $15 an hour, more than a Saegeant in the Army.

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
28. Give up
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:45 AM
Nov 2014

You lost this debate hours ago. You can't come up with an legit point to justify a 16 year old kid making more than a first year teacher, fireman, police officer, private, corporal or sargeant in the military. They cut bread and put meat into said bread. That is not a skill, that is something a first day, 16 year old unskilled child can do.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. I still don't understand how they can sell a chicken sandwich for $1
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:15 AM
Nov 2014

How is that economically viable?

Especially with people not drinking as much soda these days.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
7. Jimmy Johns === right wing, anti-labor corporation.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 10:09 AM
Nov 2014

Nothing against your brother but...

maybe raising the price of the stuff by a quarter or two...

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
8. And yes, in evenings, some of the workers in the local grease pits are teens.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 10:12 AM
Nov 2014

Last night at Wendy's, two of the 6 workers had grey hair.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
29. An increase is due for certain.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:00 AM
Nov 2014

$15 is not feasible nor appropriate for all fast food labor. I have hired people in skilled positions with college credentials who don't make that.

You can't throw in a KFC franchisee who has to keep an x% labor cost or raise prices to make a living, with a big corporate entity like Walmart who can afford raises.

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