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Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:26 PM

Senate resolution to limit Trump's military authority on Iran has enough Republican votes to pass

Source: Washington Post

A resolution to curb President Trump’s military authority in Iran has enough votes to pass the Senate, leading Democrats announced Tuesday, stating that Maine Republican Sen. Susan Collins will join three other members of the GOP who had previously announced their support for the measure to invoke Congress’ war powers.

“We now have the 51 votes that we need for the version that’s the bipartisan version,” Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), the author of the resolution, told reporters, noting that Republican Sens. Collins, Todd C. Young (Ind.), Mike Lee (Utah) and Rand Paul (Ky.) had decided to join all 47 Democrats in backing the measure.Collins declined to comment about her vote slightly before Kaine’s announcement, stating that she would release a statement soon.

Kaine has been working with those four Republican senators and others to make changes to the resolution since releasing an original draft just a day after Trump approved the strike to kill top Iranian military commander Qasem Soleimani in Baghdad. Lee and Paul were the first Republicans to declare their support for the measure, after an administration briefing last week they found both frustrating and insulting, noting how officials refused to say when, if ever, they would consult Congress before launching such a strike — and urging lawmakers to fall in line behind the president.

But Senate Republicans pressed Kaine to make changes to the bill, particularly its many references to Trump and his administration’s stance and past statements regarding Iran. Those have been removed from the amended draft that earned the support of enough Republicans to let it pass the Senate when it is brought to a vote as soon as next week. But by next week, supporters will be competing for floor time with the impeachment calendar, and the timing for the war powers resolution is not yet certain.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/senate-resolution-to-limit-trumps-military-authority-on-iran-has-enough-gop-votes-to-pass-key-democrats-say/2020/01/14/33684f50-3706-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html



Full headline: Senate resolution to limit Trump’s military authority on Iran has enough Republican votes to pass, key Democrat says

Original article -

By Washington Post Staff
Jan. 14, 2020 at 3:24 p.m. EST

Four Republicans have agreed to vote with Democrats in support of the measure, according to Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who wrote the legislation that seeks to prevent President Trump from further escalating hostilities with Iran.

This is a developing story. It will be updated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2020/01/14/senate-resolution-to-limit-trumps-military-authority-on-iran-has-enough-republican-votes-to-pass-key-democrat-says/

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Reply Senate resolution to limit Trump's military authority on Iran has enough Republican votes to pass (Original post)
BumRushDaShow Jan 14 OP
Flaleftist Jan 14 #1
BumRushDaShow Jan 14 #2
Midnight Writer Jan 14 #3
Calista241 Jan 14 #4
murielm99 Jan 14 #5
True Blue American Jan 14 #6
murielm99 Jan 14 #7
True Blue American Jan 14 #8
yellowdogintexas Jan 14 #9
BumRushDaShow Jan 14 #13
True Blue American Jan 15 #19
Pacifist Patriot Jan 15 #22
lark Jan 15 #21
BumRushDaShow Jan 14 #14
Vinca Jan 14 #10
BumRushDaShow Jan 14 #15
11 Bravo Jan 14 #17
Flaleftist Jan 14 #18
True Blue American Jan 15 #20
jdl123 Jan 14 #11
BlueIdaho Jan 14 #12
11 Bravo Jan 14 #16

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:29 PM

1. But not veto proof

Of course, we can still expect a Twitter fit.

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Response to Flaleftist (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:32 PM

2. No (and wasn't veto-proof in the House either)

But it's a shot across the bow...

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Response to Flaleftist (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:59 PM

3. I would love to see a Twitter fit. He should call all these GOP Senators every name he can think of.

Don't put up with this crap, Mr. President. Hit'em hard and hit'em where it hurts. Accuse them of being terrorist sympathizers. Insult their wives. Tell your followers to harass them in public.

Go Go Go!

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Response to Flaleftist (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:11 PM

4. It's not even Mitch McConnell proof

It doesn't come up in the Senate unless Mitch makes it happen.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:24 PM

5. Thank you for the reminder.

If h does not present the bill, we must see to it that it gets plenty of publicity.

LTTEs are still a good method.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:30 PM

6. I understood it is a War Powers vote and

Mitch can not stop it.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:31 PM

7. Can you explain?

I feel ignorant.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:50 PM

8. I heard one of the Constitutional

Experts say that a War powers vote can not be blocked by McConnell. That is all I know.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-14/senate-war-powers-resolution-has-51-votes-democrat-kaine-says

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 05:20 PM

9. Can he block it if it originates in the Senate?

He blocks everything that comes across from the House of course

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Response to yellowdogintexas (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 05:36 PM

13. Apparently because the House version is considered "privileged" the Senate has to vote on it

or their own related version -

Although Pelosi said the measure has "real teeth" because it is a concurrent resolution, it wouldn't have to go to the president's desk for his signature, leading GOP lawmakers to assert that it would be legally nonbinding.

"This is a statement of the Congress of the United States. I will not have that statement diminished by having the president veto it or not," Pelosi said.

A senior Democratic aide noted that the War Powers Act sets out a clear process for the House legislation. The law says "forces shall be removed by the president if Congress so directs by concurrent resolution."

/snip

Because the resolution is privileged, the Senate could be forced to vote on it or a similar resolution that has been introduced by Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pelosi-says-house-send-clear-war-powers-statement-trump-thursday-n1113006


And apparently this does not go to the President as "legislation". It is a Concurrent Resolution (basically establishing the "sense of Congress" ).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:47 AM

19. Thank you for the explanation

That was my understanding that it was a War Powers vote, but that explains it.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:51 PM

22. Don't feel badly, I don't think many people understand it.

"The resolution is “privileged,” meaning Republicans opposed to the measure cannot block it from coming to a vote once it is “ripe.” It also means that supporters must secure only a simple majority of the Senate, 51 votes, for it to pass."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/senate-resolution-to-limit-trumps-military-authority-on-iran-has-enough-gop-votes-to-pass-key-democrats-say/2020/01/14/33684f50-3706-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html

Now if someone would just explain what privileged and ripe means in this context, I might understand it too.

Seriously, I've been doing some research today and can't find anything that spells out clearly what exactly this means. In the end though, I'm wondering if any of this would actually have teeth. It's not like laws mean anything to Trump anyway. All of it seems rather academic and ceremonial to me under the circumstances.



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Response to Calista241 (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:50 AM

21. Exactly and with all that's going on, I'd be shocked if this was allowed to come to the floor.

He had other ways he's protecting himself and his friend in treachery - Impotus3 - from facing the music for his blatant criminality and treason to this country.

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Response to Flaleftist (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 05:37 PM

14. Just saw an article where this special resolution would not go to the President

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 05:23 PM

10. Dear Leader will veto it and the lemmings will then line up to go over the cliff.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 05:38 PM

15. Just found an article that confirmed that this wouldn't go to the President for signing/veto

It's more a "Statement" from Congress to the Executive... https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142419026#post13

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Response to Vinca (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:22 PM

17. May I recommend Everest's South Col as the cliff du jour?

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:43 PM

18. They would freeze to death before they get close.

But that would work too.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:48 AM

20. According to the link

Trump wil not be able to do anything.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 05:26 PM

11. trump

As far as funding for war. You saw what happened with funding for border wall. The Supreme court ruled, he could take funding from the defense department to fund border wall and to hell with congress.

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Response to jdl123 (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 05:32 PM

12. Until a majority of voters call bullshit.

Both Trump and McConnell need to think beyond their nose here. Further military action in the Middle East - regardless of the excuse - is deeply unpopular. It’s the issue that can cost republicans their jobs. Short term this may keep Mitch in Donny’s good graces but the long term consequences could be dire.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:19 PM

16. Orange Droolius will NOT be pleased.

Perhaps this will anger him sufficiently to double up on the chili cheeseburgers.
After that, it's all up to his seriously occluded arteries.

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