A Texas bill would make it possible to put women to death for having abortions

[riversedge]

Source: Wash Post



April 10 at 5:47 AM

Men and women, young and old, native Texans and immigrants, they rose to ask lawmakers to protect life, describing a “genocide” and foreseeing the arrival of “God’s wrath.”

The act of public atonement they are seeking is passage of a bill that would criminalize abortion without exception, and make it possible to convict women who undergo the procedure of homicide, which can carry the death penalty in Texas. Though it faces steep odds of becoming law, the measure earned a hearing this week amid a larger legislative push in GOP-controlled states to curtail abortion rights, in a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade.

The legislation is the brainchild of state Rep. Tony Tinderholt, a Republican from Arlington, Tex., who was placed under state protection because of death threats he received when he first introduced the bill in 2017. The Air Force veteran, who has been married five times, argues that the measure is necessary to make women “more personally responsible.” He said Tuesday that his intention is to guarantee “equal protection” for life inside and “outside the womb.”



Some of his supporters see the issue in even more fateful terms.

“God’s word says, ‘He who sheds man’s blood, by man — the civil government — his blood will be shed,’” said Sonya Gonnella, quoting the Book of Genesis and asking la

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to “repent with us.”..................

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I really am getting fearful of these fundamentalists. Seriously, they are dangerous people--and they have the ear of elected officials in many cases.


Women's reproductive health is being attacked on all fronts!!

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[dlk]

1. How is This Any Different Than the Taliban or Isis?

These so-called Christians are extremist radicals aiming for a return to the Dark Ages with their attempts to legalize the terrorization and murder of women. This is misogynistic and pathological backlash on steroids. What is wrong with them?

[AZ8theist]

2. What's wrong with them?

They are vile pieces of shit lead by the most vile, disgusting human who ever lived.

[Luciferous]

27. It's not.

[Crowman2009]

37. Instead of fighting terrorists, they wish to emulate them.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmgI8wivDRUNWEEpGwffCmAtUKXh3MiGBUEMq2EUHfVej-xL89

[keithbvadu2]

50. The difference? The one holding the Bible is the one who witnessed for her faith by cheating on h

The difference?

The one holding the Bible is the one who witnessed for her faith by cheating on her husband.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

54. I don't think the Texas bill specifies death by stoning.

See? Nothing like Taliban.

[Cartoonist]

3. Death threats

. . . who was placed under state protection because of death threats he received when he first introduced the bill.
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Isn't this a death threat towards women?

[Judi Lynn]

29. In every sense it's a death threat. Someone really, really hates women, won't keep it to himself. nt

[area51]

4. k&r n/t

[dewsgirl]

5. Tweet from yesterday: Texas: We are so "pro life" we will

kill you.
Perfect tweet for the hypocrisy of today's GOP.

[Ohiogal]

52. Good one!

[DirtEdonE]

6. Why not put the men who made them pregnant to death instead?

It would stop the problem at its source instead of blaming the victims.

[catrose]

10. Right. Women seeking an abortions didn't get pregnant on their own.

[smirkymonkey]

17. Good idea!

This has nothing to do with the "sanctity of life". This has everything to do with punishing women for being sexual outside of their reproductive function. I can't stand these fucking misogynistic hypocrites! They are no different than the Taliban, and every day the wall between church and state gets thinner and thinner.

[efhmc]

7. When every child who is actually in the US now has at least one loving parent,

adequate food, shelter, and a decent education, then we will talk about banning abortion.

[Archae]

8. The author of the billis on his FIFTH marriage...

I'd be willing to bet he has had more than one of his mistresses get an abortion.

"Oh, that's different!"

[marble falls]

9. Talk about Sharia Law.

[forgotmylogin]

16. Exactly what I thought.

I've never heard of men being stoned to death for adultery or rape.

Will the man who contributed to a terminated pregnancy be charged as an accessory to a homicide in TX also?

[shraby]

11. If that's what they want to do, then the man who impregnated her needs the

death penalty too.
It takes two to tango.

[RKP5637]

12. K&R!!! n/t

[panader0]

26. Damn shraby, I didn't read your post and posted the identical thing.

Sorry.

[shraby]

59. GMTA!

[Mc Mike]

13. Rep. Tony Tinderholt

A Republican from Arlington, Tex., who was placed under state protection because of death threats he received when he first introduced the bill in 2017. The Air Force veteran, who has been married five times, argues that the measure is necessary to make women “more personally responsible.”

Reminds me of the Quayle's family pastor Robert Thieme. A far right texas bircher pastor who preached in an Air Force uniform, who's theological specialty was 'Armageddon'. --

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Thieme#Criticism

"1988 U.S. presidential election[edit]In the 1988 presidential campaign, vice presidential candidate Dan Quayle, though a practicing Presbyterian, was reported to have listened to Thieme's tapes with his father-in-law.[29]

The Associated Press wrote that Thieme was "a fundamentalist preacher who routinely attacks unions, feminists and homosexuals. ...[Who] is known for his unorthodox biblical interpretations and his attack on liberals, welfare recipients and others."[29] The New York Times referred to Thieme as "notable for his pulpit attacks on 'do-gooders and liberals,' 'power-mad labor,' welfare recipients, homosexuals, gun controllers, rock music, feminists and the 'satanic' United Nations."[30] The titles of Thieme's tapes were also featured in stories questioning Quayle's adherence to such beliefs, including "Slave Market of Sin", "Satanic Plot No. 1", and "Scar Tissue of the Soul".[30][29] The Times reported that Quayle's own parents also listened to Thieme tapes and even attended his conferences.[30] The coverage upset Quayle's wife Marilyn who defended the listening of the tapes and defended Thieme's religious interpretations.[29] Quayle for his part held that he knew little of Thieme's views, pointing out that it was his wife who grew up listening to the tapes. He pointed out that his children have "never heard a Thieme tape. That's not part of our life."[30]

The media focus on Thieme and Quayle led to a critical interview piece titled The Private Ministry of Colonel Thieme (Marilyn Quayle’s Theologian) by Garry Wills. It appeared in October 1989's first issue of the short-lived Wigwag magazine edited by Alexander Kaplen.[31][32] Wills would go on to discuss Thieme in further detail in his 1990 book Under God: Religion and American Politics.[33]"


One of Thieme's fans shot up a fitness club here in '09, shot 12 women, killed 3 and himself. Soldini

[dhol82]

15. Married five times?

He must be a joy to live with.

[Mc Mike]

18. I'm sure he has a 100% 'pro family' rating, from the bircher repuglinazi 'christian'

political advocacy raters, though.

[dhol82]

19. I'm sure you are correct.

Probably a gold star member.

[KPN]

23. Yeah, that jumped out at me as well. These are evil humans. They are the Satan at work as far

as I can tell.

[bullsnarfle]

43. Sounds like 5 women

finally wised-up... the hard way.

[AllaN01Bear]

14. the courts keep saying NO, but, these idiots keep pushing this stuff down our throats.

[duforsure]

20. How about the men who pay or force them to have one?

Its funny how they blame only the women. That severe punishment should be for politicians who break the law to get elected illegally , not for women having the right to choose what's best for themselves

[ancianita]

21. Forced reproduction on pain of death. Women's free will is on the line where men have

lawyers, guns and money.

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The war against women continues.

Humanity doesn't go forward by keeping half of itself down.

[CrispyQ]

32. "Humanity doesn't go forward by keeping half of itself down."

I like that. Please read my post which is below.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142300877#post30

[pimpbot]

35. Do you have a link to that image?

I tried to find it on the Guttmacher Institute site. I am not aware of any abortion bans being introduced in Maryland this year.

[ancianita]

44. Here. It's about 2019 trends. hth

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2019/04/radical-attempts-ban-abortion-dominate-state-policy-trends-first-quarter-2019

[Pobeka]

22. The only way to justify the extremist trump it to go after the holy grail of banning abortion.

It used to be banning abortion was always out a few election cycles. Now in order to keep a portion of right-to-life moderate voters on the trumpista train they have to make real moves to ban abortion.

[DownriverDem]

24. All part of the plan

repubs have been waiting for the court judges to be on their side. They are passing these laws so that they will end up before the Supreme Court. It is known as the Roberts Court. Will Roberts want to be known as his court over turning Roe v Wade which has been settled law since 1973? We shall see.

[panader0]

25. How about the death penalty for the guy who impregnated the women?

You know, "personal responsibility" and all. These people forget that it takes two
to tango.

[Lucky Luciano]

28. It is so ridiculous that Marsha and Lindsay are considered serious people. nt

[CrispyQ]

30. When will the pro-choice movement take up this argument?

2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, [email protected]

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers


I. The basic argument
The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude."6

Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.

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Parents can't be compelled to donate their organs to their child, even to save the child's life. Why does a fetus have more claim on a woman's body & life, than her child who has been born?

[ancianita]

45. THIS. It boils down to PRIOR Rights Of Life, Liberty, etc., etc.

[ancianita]

46. The KEY constitutional argument. SO. Where are the women lawyers and judges on this.

When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude."6


Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.

[Soxfan58]

31. Are we putting Daddy to death too.

Just wondering, only seems fair.

[Soxfan58]

33. When a child dies from lack of health insurance

The Gov, if he or she refused to sign in Medicaid expansion, needs to be charged with Murder. In Some states that would mean death.

[NoMoreRepugs]

34. Getting ever more difficult to be proud of America.

[Bettie]

36. To people like this

women aren't people anyway, just conveniences that they can use as they please.

[ancianita]

47. Socially captive jizz buckets and baby vessels subject to legally ignored male rape and predation.

That's all women are.

It's so evil, most women can't even sally forth to fight this millennial war against them.

[DFW]

38. "Execute them to show how pro-life we are!"

There are a lot of people in Texas, so we have more sick people than many states.

[niyad]

39. I LOVE hwo these woman0hating bastards prat about being "pro-life", and yet, casually, seek to

murder women for exercing full personal autonomy.

[Firestorm49]

40. And the prick who impregnated her can get elected to Congress.

[niyad]

42. exactly

[niyad]

41. I have been pointing out for decades that there really is very little difference between the reich-

wing religious whack jobs who profess christianity, and the religious whack jobs in other belief systems.

frankly, the ones here worry me more, because they are here. and getting more vocal, more belligerent, more hateful, by the day.

[ancianita]

48. Where statehouses deny they want to go, in stealth, without the old nazi names...

https://timeline.com/the-nazi-breeding-and-infanticide-program-you-probably-never-knew-about-cc5cc7b82fdc

SS head Heinrich Himmler was convinced that abortion was the primary reason for the falling birthrate, and in 1935 he decided to strike back.

... to make abortions of racially “pure” children less appealing by offering an alternative to their mothers. Women who could prove that their unborn child would fit Nazi racial purity standards could give birth to the child in secret, comfortable facilities.


But there was a catch: Once the babies were born, they had to be relinquished to the SS. The SS would then educate them, indoctrinate them in Nazi ideology, and give them to elite families to raise.


At first, Himmler urged the SS and German military to have children with Aryan women both in and out of wedlock, but as the war progressed, that became an mandate. When casualties further decimated the German male population, Himmler ordered his officers to marry and reproduce.

Women in occupied countries were also encouraged to have children with German soldiers.

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2600/1*qVHuR7e7ixG0yAC4AmW7UQ.jpeg

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

49. Married five times.

That tells me almost everything I need to know about that guy. Unless he was tragically widowed four times, there's something about the vow of "til death do us part" that he's missed comprehending.

[keithbvadu2]

51. Related article - Decree 770 anti-abortion

Related article - Decree 770 anti-abortion

Decree 770 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770) was Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu’s anti abortion law. It required every woman to submit to a gynecological exam every month, tracked all detected pregnancies, banned both contraception and abortion, and forced a police investigation (by a special abortion police force that consumed half the country’s GDP) for miscarriages, which were treated as illegal abortions.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211999421

[liberal N proud]

53. That's fucked up

Pro life?

[TNNurse]

55. So they are all in favor of killing women??????

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

56. Which goes to show

The right isn't pro-life it's pro-birth.

[Initech]

57. How very pro life of them!

[trev]

58. Well, Texas Reps do love their executions.

Maybe they're looking for a way to beat their old record?

http://www.executedtoday.com/2012/11/03/which-u-s-governors-have-overseen-the-most-executions/

"This past week, Texas Governor Rick Perry notched his 250th execution. Writers, movie stars, guys who didn’t do it … Perry has executed them all.

That’s far and away the most for governors under the modern US death penalty regime. But is it an all-time record?

The answer appears to be 'yes':"

[CousinIT]

60. "Too bad Republicans aren't as good at separating Church & State as they are at separating families"

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[BlueIdaho]

61. How very Christian of them. Nt.