Experts: Clinton emails could have compromised CIA names

[NWCorona]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by George II (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: AP

The names of CIA personnel could have been compromised not only by hackers who may have penetrated Hillary Clinton's private computer server or the State Department system, but also by the release itself of tens of thousands of her emails, security experts say.

At least 47 of the emails contain the notation "B3 CIA PERS/ORG," which indicates the material referred to CIA personnel or matters related to the agency. And because both Clinton's server and the State Department systems were vulnerable to hacking, the perpetrators could have those original emails, and now the publicly released, redacted versions showing exactly which sections refer to CIA personnel.

"Start with the entirely plausible view that foreign intelligence services discovered and rifled Hillary Clinton's server," said Stewart Baker, a Washington lawyer who spent more than three years as an assistant secretary of the Homeland Security Department and is former legal counsel for the National Security Agency.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1a737240cf144c728b45ef64e181f19d/experts-clinton-emails-could-have-compromised-cia-names#

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AP confirms what's obvious based on those codes. It should also be noted that the FBI officially confirmed that they recovered files from Hillary's server and considers it evidence.

[tonyt53]

1. How many went to jail over releasing Plame's name? And that action really was a crime.

Don't look now but your desperation is showing.

[NWCorona]

3. How is my desperation showing?

And when Valerie was exposed I was even more upset.

[Chasstev365]

5. They don't care about the law; just winning!

[MariaThinks]

6. innueundo and desperation. disgusting

[lewebley3]

8. Hillary was cleared about her emails: these " experts" are GOP hacks

[Jack Bone]

56. cleared by whom?

the super secret joint subcommittee on electronic communications?

[Chezboo]

89. How long do you think we'll be waiting for a link? nt

[Maeve]

100. Actually, only ONE hack

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/06/08/ap-uses-gop-donor-sole-source-claim-security-experts-say-clinton-could-have-compromised-cia-names/210821

[TipTok]

16. They broke the law so everyone else gets a freebie?

Is that what you are suggesting?

[Kingofalldems]

44. Let's see. Looks like about 7 more days.

[askeptic]

65. In 7 days the Truth will still be allowed on DU

just sayin'

[TipTok]

68. Never a denial...

Always a deflection or a request for a pass...

Should tell you something.

[Kingofalldems]

73. Denial of what?

You made the accusation. What crime?

What if the emails she gave to the right wingers were hacked? Will they be indicted?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141481568#post11

[840high]

22. Actually - your desperation is showing.

[peace13]

30. The fact that you think any of that is OK disgusts me.

We have a D for President and we are supposed to uphold the laws. To put people who protect us in danger for ones personal greed and selfishness is wrong on every count. Clinton does not care about laws, rules or anyone but herself. Good luck with that

[840high]

96. ...!100++++

[vdogg]

31. This is exactly what I was about say

Glad it was the first post. Enough of this bs.

[notadmblnd]

36. Scooter Libby. So at least one did.

Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators, perjury for lying to a federal grand jury, and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation concerned with the possibly illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of a covert agent of the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. Pursuant to the grand jury leak investigation, Libby was convicted on March 6, 2007, on four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. He was acquitted of one count of making false statements.

Libby was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000. The sentence was commuted in June 2007 by President Bush, voiding the prison term. The convictions still stand on the record. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Libby

[7962]

49. Libby went to jail.

[Segami]

51. That was yesterday's talking point.....click and refresh

and update your spin please......

[stupidicus]

70. hardly, just blatantly gross hypocrisy

from those who complained about Plame being outed but can rationalize/justify her getting away with it if that's what happened...

[hughee99]

75. No one was convicted of leaking her name, but someone

Got jail time for lying to investigators.

[Chasstev365]

2. That's OK because Cheney, Rove were involved in Valerie Plame & they weren't punished

That is the mentality many of the fools on DU!

[NWCorona]

7. You are comparing Hillary’s actions to Cheney and you say I'm the fool

[Chasstev365]

9. I'm not comparing them at all

I was trying to explain that Hillary supporters will use anything to excuse her actions.

[NWCorona]

14. Ok I'm sorry for taking that wrong and I agree

[lewebley3]

17. No is not excused necessary: Hillary was cleared: the was no clarity to the rules

until 2014.

[lewebley3]

15. Valerie Plame is going to be working for Hillary: She trusts Hillary

[HooptieWagon]

62. Comparing Clinton to Cheney?

Hillarians have no problem with Clinton being bff with Henry Kissinger...no surprise they want to compare her to Cheney.

[Chasstev365]

67. You're twisting my meaning and you know it!

[Duval]

4. Believe me, there will be more to come about this.

We all need to know, NWCorona. Thanks for your OP.

[lewebley3]

10. No this is over except for a political attack on Hillary that has not worked.

[840high]

24. I'll call the FBI and tell them it's over.

[7962]

54. HA!!

You've always got a good one.

[pnwmom]

11. The Rethugs demanded the release of her emails under the FOIA. They wanted

all her emails no matter what server they were on. So the same problem would have occurred if she'd used a .gov account, as this article implies.

The names of CIA personnel could have been compromised not only by hackers who may have penetrated Hillary Clinton's private computer server or the State Department system, but also by the release itself of tens of thousands of her emails, security experts say.

[NWCorona]

18. Yes and I agree that they are abusing the FOIA in the hope to find something.

But that doesn't excuse the issue tho.

[msongs]

12. not LBN - could have/may have is analysis and opiniion not news. AP? the reviled enemy AP lol nt

[NWCorona]

23. This news broke today on AP today and within the 12hr guideline.

And you won't find this story on another site unless you want to get into the mud.

It's not option either. They are covering the b3 codes and the ramifications they carry.

[metroins]

60. It's not news

You could have also leaked the name of CIA operatives as well.

How do I know you didn't?

Innuendo.

They could've hacked you, used you as a drone, proxied data through you and then another hacker hacked you to steal information.

Prove it didn't happen.

There was a report earlier in the year that there's no evidence her server was hacked.

[TipTok]

91. Which means absolutely zilch...

If I take a file folder of classified data, remove it from a secure area and leave it for while, I am still in trouble if I come back and it is still there.

Maybe copies were made, maybe a million other things happened...

It's the initial breach that made the uncertainty possible.

[metroins]

92. Oh, I'm sorry

I was staying on topic with the current thread.

If you'd like to discuss the entire email issue, I suggest you use the search feature, it's been done a quadrillion times.

[TipTok]

98. No worries... Just addressing some false information...

The general population has little to no understanding of the classification system.

That's why phrases like 'not marked classified' or 'no evidence they were hacked' might sound like mitigating statements but actually make it worse.

[metroins]

101. This OP is bs innuendo

Because there was no evidence her server was hacked.

This opinion piece has as much news in it as the color of my hardwood floor.

[MFM008]

13. I'd rather wait till investigation is DONE

I don't think Obama would support a felon and he would know.

[Peachhead22]

52. No he wouldn't!

The FBI has been extremely careful about compartmentalization and not telling the President _anything_. And I'm sure the President was very clear to the FBI to do their jobs without fear of any interference from him. Both to protect the integrity of the investigation and to protect both the President and every member of the FBI from even the appearance of politics or political influence playing a part in the investigation. This investigation will likely be reviewed by historians, and definitely partisan Republican and I'm sure all involved are bending over backwards to make sure the investigation appears totally by the books...always. The President's legacy is on the line if it ever looked less than totally credible.

The President is an honorable man and the FBI is an honorable institution. I'm presuming you aren't insinuating otherwise.

[louis-t]

19. For those of you who didn't know what

"B3 CIA PERS/ORG" means, now you know.

Remember, "could have been" and "plausible" mean guilty beyond all doubt. Throw away the key.



Jeez.

[TwilightZone]

20. I thought you guys hated the AP. Aren't they some kind of Hillary shills?

[NWCorona]

25. I've never bad mouthed the AP. I've only questioned their motives of their announcement

Everyone carries their content.

[TwilightZone]

28. If it's their content, you should probably provide a link to the source.

Because, copyright laws.

[NWCorona]

33. I've updated the op with the link. Sorry about that.

[ReRe]

21. Link please.

Thank you.

[NWCorona]

27. Dang sorry about that! And thanks for the heads up!!!

[videohead5]

26. Two Big Problems

No proof exist that her server was ever hacked.the e-mails did not originate from her.no way she could have known people were e-mailing her classified information when they was not suppose to.

[NWCorona]

32. My answers

1.Pertinent part 2:45 - 3:32

2. Actually on some we don't know the originator. Only that the highly classified information the emails contained were lifted straight from source material other agencies. We do know that whoever sent it was in State because they tried to claim originating privilege but was denied three times. Also even if Hillary didn't send the emails she had the legal requirement to submit a spillage report.

[yourpaljoey]

94. He is a terrible liar. Such shame upon a nation.

[SunSeeker]

29. Another story about nothing.

There is no evidence anything has been actually revealed. And those B3 CIA codes were put on the emails after the fact -- they were not on the emails when Hillary got them. And if any identities were disclosed, ironically it was this after the fact classification that would have revealed them:

In the process of publicly releasing the emails, however, classification experts seem to have inadvertently provided a key to anyone who has the originals. By redacting names associated with the CIA and using the "B3 CIA PERS/ORG" exemption as the reason, "Presto — the CIA names just fall off the page," Baker said.

The CIA declined to comment.

A U.S. official said the risk of the names of CIA personnel being revealed in this way is "theoretical and probably remains so at this time." The official, who did not have the authority to publicly address the matter, spoke on condition of anonymity and would not elaborate.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1a737240cf144c728b45ef64e181f19d/experts-clinton-emails-could-have-compromised-cia-names



Interesting how you declined to disclose these key paragraphs from the story--or even provide a link.


On edit: Thanks for editing your OP to add a link.

[pnwmom]

34. And all the same problems would have occurred if she'd used a .gov account.

The Benghazi Rethugs would still have demanded the release of her emails, and they still would have been redacted and then released.

[NWCorona]

41. And this would have been nothing if she used a government account.

The repugs would have gotten their boring ass emails that are of no use and the classified emails would have been redacted or withheld.

That's the maddening part about this. Hillary should have known better.

[pnwmom]

46. No, the same situation would have occurred. They would have seen the exact same emails --

just from the .gov server -- and the same parts of them would have been redacted or withheld.

She had a secure SCIF at home and at work for classified emails. The private server only substituted for her .gov account, and the Rethugs wanted to see ALL those emails, wherever they were. But releasing those emails with redacted parts would have pointed any hackers to the important paragraphs.

You are forgetting that we KNOW that hundreds of thousands of .gov emails were hacked. And we know that other State employees, including Kerry, had some retroactively classified info on their .gov accounts.

So this problem could occur with almost any large State Department FOIA request, regardless of the server used.

[NWCorona]

55. What proof do you have of her using a terminal in the sciff at her residence?

Do you even know if there was a terminal available other than a secure video link and phone?

[pnwmom]

82. Here:

http://www.digitaltonto.com/2016/the-technology-behind-hillary-clintons-email-scandal-explained/

In fact, government operates under the presumption that email messages will be intercepted, and uses two methods to keep sensitive information secret. The first, for the most highly secret material, involves hard copies of classified documents. These are not allowed to be copied or sent electronically and can only be transferred by a government courier.

The second method involves something called a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF), a facility which is used for electronically encrypted information. This is done by using large random numbers to scramble messages so that, even if they are intercepted, they can’t be read by anyone who doesn’t have the key. Truly secret information is never sent by regular email.

So, for the purposes of security, it really doesn’t matter whether Hillary Clinton was using a government issued email or her own personal server. To a large extent unencrypted email is unencrypted email, no matter where the server resides. And while it is true that Clinton used her own private server for unclassified business, she also regularly used a SCIF for secure communication (one was installed at her residence).

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/19/colin-powell-emails-hillary-clinton-424187.html

But Powell and Rice’s aides did nothing wrong. (I’m going to focus on them so that partisans who say Clinton broke the law have to attack respected Republicans first.) Start with this: Powell and Rice, like all modern secretaries of state, each had at least two email accounts—one personal and the other for communications designated as highly classified at the time of their creation . For classified information, both of them—and their aides with appropriate clearance—had a sensitive compartmented information facility, or what is known in intelligence circles as a SCIF. Most senior officials who deal with classified information have a SCIF in their offices and their homes.These are not just extra offices with a special lock. Each SCIF is constructed following complex rules imposed by the intelligence and defense communities. Restrictions imposed on the builders are designed to ensure that no unauthorized personnel can get into the room, and the SCIF cannot be accessed by hacking or electronic eavesdropping. A group called the technical surveillance countermeasures team (TSCM) investigates the area or activity to check that all communications are protected from outside surveillance and cannot be intercepted.

Most permanent SCIFs have physical and technical security, called TEMPEST. The facility is guarded and in operation 24 hours a day, seven days a week; any official on the SCIF staff must have the highest security clearance. There is supposed to be sufficient personnel continuously present to observe the primary, secondary and emergency exit doors of the SCIF. Each SCIF must apply fundamental red-black separation to prevent the inadvertent transmission of classified data over telephone lines, power lines or signal lines.

[NWCorona]

90. I appreciate the links but they don't tell me much.

Just because Hillary has a SCIF in her home doesn't mean she has a computer installed. It only be a hardened room for all we know but I'm sure it had telecommunication equipment at a minimum.

[thesquanderer]

72. Yes, whether the same situation would have occurred relies on...

...whether you think it is more or less likely that her personal server was hacked, compared to the likelihood that her .gov account (if she'd had one) were hacked.

[pnwmom]

83. They know that the .gov system was hacked. They have said that there is no evidence

that her system was.

[thesquanderer]

87. semantic interpretation.

They do know that there were hacking attempts on her server. They do not know whether or not the hackers were successful. At a press conference, someone from the DOJ(?) first said they were not successful, then walked that back, saying he didn't know whether they were successful or not.

They also do know that the .gov system was hacked. AFAIK, that does not mean that every single email account ever stored on that system was hacked.

So I think your interpretation depends on selective reading of the facts. I believe that, in reality, we do not know whether the emails she had on her server were accessed by someone without authority, nor do we know that everyone in the State Dep't's emails on .gov servers were necessarily accessed by someone without authority.

[pnwmom]

88. My point remains. The problem isn't with whether she used a private server or

the .gov account. The problem is that the Rethugs insisting on seeing all of her emails, wherever they were located. And some of them were retroactively classified and/or redacted. And since any email system can be hacked, there is a possibility a hacker could have seen the redactions and drawn conclusions from them.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

37. The emails are small cake compared to accepting money, through her foundation, from saudi royals

she was in talks with about weapons puchases........especially horrifying since Saudi Arabia was in Bahrain killing doctors at the time, were using US manufactured gas against dissidents at home.

[Chasstev365]

40. Ding Ding Ding: We have a winner!

[phazed0]

42. Not to mention the Saudi's are directly connected to 9/11

[SunSeeker]

43. The money did not go to her, it went to charities to help the poor. nt

[pnwmom]

47. She donates to the foundation. She doesn't get any funds "through" the Foundation. n/t

[DemMomma4Sanders]

59. Bullcrap

The Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, generated $144,382,361 in revenue in 2013, according to IRS tax returns reviewed by RadarOnline.com, but only paid out $8,865,052 million, roughly 5% of their revenue, in grants.

At the same time, travel expenses totaled $8,448,502 million, with supplemental information stating “The Board recognizes that, due to extraordinary security and other requirements, William J. Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Chelsea Clinton may require the need to travel by charter or in first class, the determination of which will be made on a case-by-case basis.”

Salaries of executives also increased from $18,438,574 total in 2012 to $29,914,108 total in 2013. With just 402 employees, that means the average salary is $74,413, well above the national average of $50,500. Specifically, then-Director of Marketing Frederic Poust brought in a whopping $464,229 in salary for 2013, with the CFO, CEO, Executive Director and other senior staff making well into the six figures.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/clinton-foundation-bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-tax-records-revenue-grants/

[pnwmom]

64. None of them get paid any salaries, so I don't know why you included the salary info.

But they get their travel expenses comped if they travel for the Foundation. Since they would be donating their services to the foundation, that would be fair.

Also, they don't pay out most of their donations in grant form, as most foundations do. The Foundation does the charitable work itself. And it is highly ranked by Charitywatch.org.

[NWCorona]

38. I only get four paragraphs for the excerpt but I'm open to debate that with you if you'd like nt

[thesquanderer]

69. Yes, you got the irony right.

If Hillary's server were hacked, they would not have necessarily known that these people were CIA personnel. The redactions on the released versions are what confirm it.

[vdogg]

35. There's an awful lot of "could" in this post

But no where does it say any of this stuff actually happened.

[NWCorona]

39. I think that's because no one is privy to what the FBI knows.

It's not unconscionable to discuss the known facts at hand.

[SunSeeker]

45. It is unconscionable to push right wing talking points on DU.

Like your suggestion the FBI has "evidence" of wrongdoing.

[NWCorona]

48. First, I didn't say that they have evidence of wrongdoing

and second how is that a RW talking point?

[SunSeeker]

57. You implied it with you assertion that FBI said there is "evidence," so stop playing coy.

And it is a right wing talking point since at no time has the FBI said they have found any evidence of wrongdoing.

[NWCorona]

58. You should look up the pdf. of the court filing the FBI just made.

[SunSeeker]

61. There is no there there.

But go ahead, get it out of your system.


June 16 will be here soon.

[NWCorona]

63. I'll be just fine after the 16th

[PSPS]

50. "or the State Department system" - This is just more partisan "speculation."

Just more BENGHAZI !!!11!!

"... could have been compromised not only by hackers who may have penetrated Hillary Clinton's private computer server or the State Department system..."

"... both Clinton's server and the State Department systems were vulnerable to hacking..."

Steven Aftergood, who directs the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy, said even if any identities were revealed, they might be the names of analysts or midlevel administrators, not undercover operatives.

"I don't think there's any particular vulnerability here," Aftergood said.

[7962]

53. We'll just hear the same responses to this. And NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.

Regardless of WHAT is found or released. Seriously, it could be ANYTHING. And she will not be charged. At most, a minion will be tossed under the bus. Thats the way it goes when you're top dog. Libby went to jail for Cheney.

[thesquanderer]

66. re: "the FBI officially confirmed that they recovered files from Hillary's server"

No, these were emails that Hillary turned over, though they did originate on her server.

[NWCorona]

71. The pdf of the court filing on Monday specifically mentioned materials gathered from

Hillary's electronic devices.

[AntiBank]

74. AP giveth, AP taketh away

😜😜😜

[libodem]

76. SO WHAT?

Isn't that Dick Cheney's attitude? Worked for him.

Expect the same punishment as Rove got for ignoring his summons.

Rich people skate. Important people skate. The is no such thing as equal justice under the law.

America has justice dispensed per dollar paid to a lawyer or negociated by a public defender.


You are only fucked if you can't buy your way out.

[PDittie]

77. This appears to be the kind of of post

that won't be allowed here in a week.

Which is why I will be elsewhere. It's a shame what's happened to the old place...

[Ohioblue22]

78. "Could have" well let's not find out and just run with speculation

[gohuskies]

79. A fricken joke.. these experts are clueless when they give an actual traitor like Darth Cheney

Hypocrites.. Cheney deliberately outs top secret CIA operatives to carry out a political vendetta against Joe Wilson (the good Joe Wilson) and Valerie Plame. Truly disgusting in its tones of innuendo. Our political system has struck a huge reef.

[Herman4747]

80. So the FBI considers her "recovered files" as "evidence"...

evidence of what? Her incompetence? Her dereliction of duty? What kind of foolish Democratic Presidential candidate do we have to deal with?

[ReRe]

81. Coulda, woulda, shoulda...

If there is a "could have" in the title of the article, odds are that the article isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Another word that doesn't particularly impress me is "Experts". If one likes allot of intrigue and speculation OTOH, this story is for you.

"... the perpetrators could have..."

"... start with the entirely plausible view..."

"... the CIA declined to comment..."

[creeksneakers2]

84. The marks don't only indicate agents

They also are for CIA matters. I saw this same story with three E-mails. None of the E-mails had anything to do with agents.

[Justice]

85. Stewart Baker was on Cruz's national security team - not an impartial observer

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/19/ted-cruz-announces-national-security-team-including-frank-gaffney-michael-ledeen-elliott-abrams/

[chapdrum]

86. Oh don't spoil the celebration.

She's going to be preznit.

[mehrrh]

93. enough emails

Emails "could have been" hacked -- but were they?
Government emails could have been hacked -- and they were.
Hillary will never make the mistake again of using her own or the Clinton Foundation server for her emails -- so why does this continue to simmer?
What about the thousands of emails deliberately destroyed by the Bush administration ?
What about the deliberate "outing" of a CIA covert operative by Cheney and his cabal?
I am not a rabid Clinton supporter, but I certainly can see that there is no comparison between her and any GOP president, much less Donald Trump.
The FBI is collecting "evidence" -- which does NOT indicate "incriminating" -- if the FBI did not do a thorough investigation, the clouds would hang on forever. Proof of that is the Foster suicide that was sadly dredged up again recently -- and that was also thoroughly investigated -- but as Taylor Swift sings, "haters are gonna hate."

[asiliveandbreathe]

95. stewart Baker - Federalist and Bushie!!

wouldn't we know by now - this guy has been on this kick for years....Start with the entirely plausible view that foreign intelligence services discovered and rifled Hillary Clinton's server" = where was this guy when rove and co...outed Valerie Plame...

[Rosa Luxemburg]

97. At this stage I would say it would be inappropriate for anyone to endorse her

she may well be the presumptive nominee at this stage but someone who is being investigated by the FBI should not be endorsed - certainly not by the president.

[Maeve]

99. AP uses GOP donor as sole source for this story

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/06/08/ap-uses-gop-donor-sole-source-claim-security-experts-say-clinton-could-have-compromised-cia-names/210821

[WhiteTara]

102. Could and May are not

did and for certain. Sounds like speculation.

"In the process of publicly releasing the emails, however, classification experts seem to have inadvertently provided a key to anyone who has the originals. By redacting names associated with the CIA and using the "B3 CIA PERS/ORG" exemption as the reason, "Presto — the CIA names just fall off the page," Baker said.

The CIA declined to comment.

A U.S. official said the risk of the names of CIA personnel being revealed in this way is "theoretical and probably remains so at this time." The official, who did not have the authority to publicly address the matter, spoke on condition of anonymity and would not elaborate.

Steven Aftergood, who directs the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy, said even if any identities were revealed, they might be the names of analysts or midlevel administrators, not undercover operatives.

"I don't think there's any particular vulnerability here," Aftergood said."

[George II]

103. Locking as opinion, not Latest Breaking News