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Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:07 PM

 

Wow. Bravenak (DU member) going at it with Sarandon!

Came across this on my feed. Some strong feelings there!

https://thedailybanter.com/2017/09/susan-sarandon-sics-her-twitter-bullies/

From the article:
"Susan seems quite out of touch with the realities faced by women of color on the web," Bravenak told the Banter. The incident reminded her of Sarandon's harassment of Dolores Huerta, the United Farm Workers co-founder she got in a shouting match with at the Nevada caucus last year. "Her weaponizing her whiteness and wealth to drive white progressives to attack us shows how removed she is from the daily challenges we face," she continued. "I hope she takes time to self-reflect."


Love her/hate her, Bravenak sure lays it out there.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:10 PM

1. Excellent response!

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:09 PM

65. Bravenak wrote an excellrent poem for Hillary. It's on her twitter feed. I don't know how

 

to copy it here. I highly recommend it.

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Response to haveahart (Reply #65)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:29 PM

240. Here you go...

For Hillary:
Is the world my grave?
Should I hide in loss and refuse human touch?
My proud stance in defeat induces outrage,
they eat my tears, and drink my blood.
Lean on my losses like the veriest crutch.
Should I simply die?
Maybe stop the blood from flowing, to pay your cost?
The fact that I breathe seems to facilitate,
rending of garments; revelries in my loss,
fainting couches and embers of hate…
Do you want me to hide in the woods?
A lonely old woman just picking her way
through the brambles in the wilderness
of lies, and attacks, and abuse that lay
on the path of most resistance?
Shall I dig the hole real deep?
How far beneath the earth should my living body rest?
You’d send me to the place where old women go
when old men would rather see them no more?
Quietly dying on the brink of the crest.
No, the world is not my grave.
I shall not die in shame.
The woods are too quiet to keep me contained.
I will burn up the world until my light dies,
I rise again like the Phoenix, unrestrained.

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Response to pamela (Reply #240)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:45 PM

251. That woman is talented.

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Response to haveahart (Reply #65)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 07:25 PM

458. I follow her on Twitter . I must have missed that. Thanks for the info!

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:12 PM

2. Score: Bravenak 1, Sarandon and bullies: 0

I miss her voice here.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:23 PM

8. +1

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:53 PM

21. I miss her, too.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:27 PM

37. I miss her also.

I go and look at her feed because she's funny and I love her poems. She's still the lovely sassy woman she's always been.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #37)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:50 PM

50. I am not on Twitter, but I (almost) wish that I were a member.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:33 PM

42. She really has her hands full

warding off Bullies... I don't envy that ... I had a hard enough time warding off Right wingers from my DU postings... geeeze!! Some times I wish I had my WARFRAME on so I can battle them with my blades!!!




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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:49 PM

48. Bravenak is smart enought to fight a few Sarandons at once.

Agreed that bullies can be an issue everywhere.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #48)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:57 PM

55. SHE IS BLOCKING THEM...

That's all you can do, and Its all I could ever do...just like putting them on ignore.


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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:51 PM

138. Fighting off bullies?

 

By sending celebrities memes telling them repeatedly to 'fuck off'? Yeah, such a victim..

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #138)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:58 PM

140. Wrong. Says right in the subtitle that someone "retweets something from a Resistance activist"

Bravenak didn't send it to Sarandon.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #140)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:55 AM

142. bingo, exactly right

WTF is it with people HERE blaming the victim?? They THINK she deserves this crap??

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Response to betsuni (Reply #140)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 03:19 AM

342. Apparently the personal animosity allows some people to defend the

racist and misogynistic bullies attacking someone they don't like. Gotta love how "being a victim" is somehow distorted.

yeah, she's strong as hell, that doesn't make her any less the victim of vicious attacks by bullies who were unleashed by a bitter, nasty, hateful woman who couldn't deal with a black woman speaking about her without inserting her condescending self into the conversation and tacitly approving what she knew would follow. We've seen how Susan deals with women of color.

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #342)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 08:04 AM

351. Yes.

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #342)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:36 PM

445. Which one is the "bitter, nasty woman".

 

I usually don't read this type thread.

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Response to Jim Beard (Reply #445)

Mon Oct 2, 2017, 12:21 AM

459. The one that was telling people that Trump would "bring on the revolution" without

any idea or care that people die in revolutions, usually the ones who do not have the privilege that people like Sarandon do.

Bitterness and nastiness is what causes someone to be that callous, and who so casually encourage the harassment on their behalf.

She knows what she unleashed, knew it while she was doing it, and stays silent, watching with glee as the racists attack.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #138)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:58 AM

144. She didn't send Sarandon anything. Sarandon decided to step in

into a discussion that she was not included in, thereby signalling her followers to attack her on the nastiest, misogynistic, racial terms.

She was having a conversation with her followers on a thread that Sarandon was not included in, about the truly moronic celebrity who was giddily telling gullible fools that the parties were equivalent, and that it would be wonderful if Trump was elected because it would "bring on the revolution". A sentiment that deserves scorn and a speaker, who was ensconced in her privilege, status and wealth, that earned it honestly.

Said privileged white lady condesecended to accept an apology that was not actually offered, and in doing so exposed someone who is just an average woman, to the harassment and abuse of her followers. Something she was well aware would occur. The tweets her minions unleashed show exactly how cyberbullying happens, and yes, the target of this venom, who is not a celebrity, not a rich, entitled, and awfully bitter white lady who spread a whole lot of propaganda with her status and encouraged a Stein voter that gave us Trump is indeed a victim.

She's also a fellow DUer, so that's a pretty callous disregard for the safety of one of our community. Who did not do what you falsely claim.

Sarandon stuck her entitled nose into a thread that didn't include her and which did express what many Americans feel about about her. She and her minions, as well as the minions of the other equally repulsive public figure who unleashed her minions to attack another woman (and it's always women who they attack, isn't it?) did the same.

Seems to be habit with these people who cheered on a deadly incompetent idiot, encouraged people to stay at home, or vote for the Putin endorsed candidates, and told people that voting Trump would be a good thing.

While we're sitting here watching people die, dealing with the shitshow that affects us all, but not her own entitled self, the sentiment Bravenak expressed is echoed by millions. Abusing her with racist, misogynistic attacks questioning her mental health, really speaks loudly about those who attack her and those who echo rape culture by stating that "she got what she deserved".

So yeah, she was a victim, she's not just weak enough to sit back and take it. And Sarandon and her minions and anyone who defends this crap certainly can take Bravenak's advice.

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #144)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:01 PM

253. Ah right, so it's about not bullying women?

 

So posting a picture of a woman's face with 'Fuck You!' written over it isn't classed as bullying because hey it's Susan Sarandon and apparently that means it doesn't count?

And spare me the victim status crap for Bravenak, she's a strong, opinionated woman who has absolutely no issues with throwing gasoline on the debate fires and jumping in for a bare knuckle fight. She did it here non-stop during the primaries, and despite me seriously disagreeing with a lot of her opinions and her methods of airing them, I always respected her strength and passion. The last damn thing she is is a victim.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #253)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 07:58 PM

303. Well, SS is not a victim here she was the bully.

There are many, many of us who don't forgive her for making the "joke" that she wasn't a "vagina voter" because she was voting for bernie...I was so angry I was seeing red every single time I heard it. I'm a woman and I did my research, listen to the candidates and then made my decision on who I was supporting. She took all of our hard work and made us into a joke for her pleasure and the pleasure of bernie supporters. So yeah, FUCK her. I don't care about her stupid feelings and bravenak was not out of line to express what a lot of us feel.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #303)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:31 AM

333. Either bullying women is ok or it's not ok

 

You can't just decide that it's ok in one case because you don't like or agree with the woman in question. I don't agree with a lot of what Sarandon has come out with either, but some of the pure hate thrown at her is way beyond acceptable behavior. We're supposed to be better people than that.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #333)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:44 AM

347. Bravenak made a meme expressing her views of SS

she didn't @ SS...it was made for braves followers...SS made a passive aggressive move when she responded to it, and hey, that's a serious whatevs...but it was SS followers that then decided that it was cool to go after brave in sexist and racist ways. The meme that Brave created wasn't sexist or racist. She didn't use ugly altered pics of SS to make her point (like shit we see of Hillary)...And yes, there is a lot of hate out there for her. She used her voice, and being famous gives her a louder one than most, to insult women voters, and then when her candidate lost said that Hillary was just as bad as Trump...also stating that it would be OK if Trump won because that would bring the revolution on faster...not caring about all the people who would be in the cross fire, as we are seeing now.

In my opinion, there was nothing wrong with people disagreeing with brave, but when they went into racist and sexist bullshit, that was bullying. It's been days and it's still going on. This is the shit that women, and Hillary voters have been complaining about for over 2 years...now people are standing up and taking receipts about bullying behavior. You may think that brave went over the line by making that meme, but the people who went over the line and need to be called out, they are the people who think it's OK to try and silence women and WOC for expressing there opinion. If brave truly wanted to bully her, she would have @ her and have her thousands and thousands of followers (which she doesn't have anywhere near as many as SS) go after her. SS punched down. I also have the same opinion as Brave...Fuck you is how I feel about her..SS knew exactly what she was doing and probably likes the results. I'm seeing a lot of black women on twitter pissed at SS...so I'm, again, going to listen to black women because they know.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #347)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:51 AM

350. +1

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Response to all american girl (Reply #347)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 03:12 AM

425. +1,000,000

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #253)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:15 AM

338. Ah, right, the bullying of Bravenak is somehow not about the bullying of women.

Sorry but defending the racist harassment as you've chosen to do, is a poor choice for anyone claiming to be a progressive.

A member of this board is being attacked by an army of racist, sexist bullies, unleashed by a bitter, vindictive hateful woman who encouraged morons to vote trump, and that's fine?

Spare me the victim status for Susan Sarandon, and her army of hateful idiots engaging in misogynistic, racist idiocy.

There is no excuse for defending this crap, or lying about it, or stating "she asked for it".

So if it's someone you disagree with here, it's just fine when that level of hate is spewed upon them by some rich white celebrity who launched her army of haters upon her?

Got it, only victim here is the bully with the platform, the power and the army of haters she sent to attack someone you didn't like.

Excellent stance, so progressive. Take a look at the shit being thrown at her and examine what you're saying.

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #338)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:38 AM

340. Ah right, so disagreement means I'm a racist.

 

Got it. Thanks for the chat, it's been informative.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #340)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 03:14 AM

341. Defending racist and misogynistic bullies is what you're doing.

Sorry if you chose to distort what I said to deny what's going on. Defending bullies engaging in racism is not a nice thing to do, glad I could educate you.

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #341)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:08 PM

365. You're doing a gross disservice to racial equality

 

With your frankly disgusting use of groundless and pathetic accusations of racism to shut down anyone who disagrees with you. According to you, if I think it's not ok for people to post pictures of a woman's face with 'Fuck you!' written over it, I'm somehow the one defending racist and mysogynistic bullies.

I'll be putting you on ignore now, because I have absolutely no interest in reading any more of your childish and offensive nonsense.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #365)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:41 PM

409. This is the exact attack that people who get called out defending racists engage in

projection of what truly is disgusting, to pretend that they're not the ones trying to shut down those who point out their errors and their poor choices to ignore the actual racism they're fine with because the target is someone they admit they don't like.

It's weird, how instead of actually apprehending my position, the reflex is to attribute things you wish I had said, but didn't.

The defense of racists and misogynists who attack a fellow DU member is indeed disgusting, but those who cheer on bullies do get upset when they're exposed for what they're doing.

Childish and offensive defenses of racist misogyny will always be called out, but it's okay ignore what I've said, or what anyone else has said because silencing women is what racist misogynists do, after distorting our voices, ignoring them of course.

Thanks for demonstrating how accurate and true my point was, with the deliberate distortion. I look forward to a peaceful experience here, with out the childish lies, the silliness and the projection that has been a pattern.

Bye!

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #409)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:01 PM

447. Kentonio , I hate to see you ignore because what is then left is the

 

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #340)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:42 PM

369. Don't you know?

This is a fan club thread.

Dissension is not allowed.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #369)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:21 PM

443. As is common on DU

 

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Response to Jim Beard (Reply #443)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:24 PM

444. True dat. nt

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #338)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 10:09 AM

359. +1

I have a tear in my eye from reading this...you are AWESOME!!!!!!

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #338)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:44 PM

372. Bravenak started this nonsense.

She seems to thrive on internet drama.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #372)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:34 PM

407. Well, actually, that's not true.

Sarandon did. Bravenak was expressing her opinion, and adding to some meme she had made and left her highness, Sarandon off of. Which is her right.

Sarandon decided to step in and make a condescending remark, which provoked her minions to engage is some frothy racist and misogynistic harassment.

It's both unfair and inaccurate to claim that someone expressing her anger at public figures who made themselves central in a political drama and said some dumb things, "started" something, when that was the action of Sarandon herself, and the dramatic bots who seem to enjoy attacking women, especially women of color who dare to speak out .

She's not the one thriving on drama, that's Sarandon and her hordes, some deeply hoodwinked, some fake, some shills, some bots, and most raving lunatics who are frothily demonstrating that Brave and other critics are correct about what they perceive.

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #407)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:09 PM

441. That's a hell of a twist on reality.

Bravenak created a meme "apologizing" to sarandon for not telling her to fuck off earlier. It contained 9 images of sarandon with some variation of fuck you across them. Granted, she did not specifically tag sarandon in the tweet - but she did not "omit" her from it, any more than the high school bullies I encountered omitted me from the distribution of hurtful memes they created and circulated about me. When you broadcast something indiscriminately to the entire school (in my instance) or to the world (with Twitter) you are not omitting anyone, nor is it butting in to a conversation for the target to respond to a conversation you initiated with the broad audience. No one, even celebrities is obligated to remain silent in the face of vulgar attacks.

Bravenak was acting like a bully. I vividly remember the sting of cruel messages circulated to my classmates that ultimately, as they were intended to do, reached my desk. Sarandon responded with far more restraint than I did.

That is not to say that Sarandon did not invite criticism; but that does not turn her measured response into harassment, nor does it turn the response of the friends of the target of bravenak's bullying behavior into harassment.

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #144)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 08:30 AM

355. Saradon is a boil upon the arse of humanity. She is an unrepentant Trump supporter...when she

encouraged others to vote for Stein...to bring about her shiny (I need meaning for my useless empty sad but really rich life) revolution, she lost all credibility. You are Scum...Susan. (Go get her Bravenek...miss you). Saradaon you are a spoiled brat who views those who suffer because of Trump's election including but not limited to those who die in Puerto Rico are on your head... you are a scumsucking entitled selfish spoiled waste of human life with no compassion and even few brains.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #355)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 10:13 AM

360. +1



I'm not understanding all this "ooo, Brave is being mean to SS" shit. SS is an awful woman and I hold her partially responsible for the crap show we are living....By the way, I wonder what she's done for her "revolution" because I haven't seen anything, except her trying to take credit for some of the resistance....

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Response to all american girl (Reply #360)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 04:43 PM

379. I despise her ...hope Brave rips her a new one.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #138)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:05 AM

146. If you don't know how Twitter works, probably best not to comment n/t

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Response to kcr (Reply #146)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 08:34 AM

191. If someone puts out a "fuck you" meme with any other person's name

I would think the other person has a right to respond. Doesn't matter if it was sent directly or not.

I'm no fan of Sarandon, but bravenak brought this on herself.

Something sad about a person who sits around making "fuck you" memes about others.

What a negative way to spend one's time.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #191)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 08:53 AM

193. Not if the person deserves it, like Sarandon and Trump and Republicans.

People who trash Democrats and great people like bravenak are negatively spending their time and are sad and stupid.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #193)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:29 AM

207. We know she deserves it, but obviously she wouldn't think so.

Hence, the response.

If one wants to insult others on the internet, one should not be surprised if a backlash occurs.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #191)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 10:42 AM

224. Agreed..

 

but the fan club does not regard civility a virtue around here..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #224)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:53 PM

246. You got that right. nt

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #224)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 05:09 PM

278. lol civility is the concern now?


Lol lol lol lol ...





Give me a break. Civility died EONS ago. And re 2016, it didn't die because of Bravenak.

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #224)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:03 PM

439. It seems they think the white lady...

should sit down and shut up when the black lady flings shit at her. I'm no fan of Sarandon, but she had every right to respond. I'm definitely no fan of Bravenak or her MO of shit-stirring, then crying foul when she gets pushback. The victim schtick got old fast...

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #439)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:08 PM

448. Thank you.

 

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #138)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:17 AM

149. Se didn't send it to her...but SS thought it was cool to send her

bullies out. What's funny she has done others, this is the one that brought all the bullies, and boy, they are quite a racist, sexist bunch.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:12 PM

235. Agreed

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:16 PM

237. +1000 (nt)

 

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 05:08 PM

277. me too, big time.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:13 PM

3. "Weaponizing Her Whiteness"

Brilliant

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:13 PM

4. Love her!

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:16 PM

5. K&R

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:17 PM

6. Bravenak is a true social warrior. She isnt perfect, but she gets it DONE!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:32 PM

121. Who is nt

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:17 PM

238. "Getting it done" is way better than perfectionism, IMHO. (nt)

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 05:34 PM

279. +1!

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:23 PM

7. She's AWESOME!

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:28 PM

9. KNR Thank you!

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:29 PM

10. K&R! That's our Bravenak!

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:33 PM

11. Interesing...

...how she draws out the racism in Sarandon's followers. I think they will like Trump's new tax plans.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:30 PM

38. I was following that and wow...some real racists out there

I do find it funny that they hate on a black woman and defend a 1% white woman, like she has no power. I'm still so pissed at SS funny "joke" about vagina votes...not forgiving that sexist shit.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:33 PM

12. Where is she? NT

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #12)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:44 PM

16. She got booted

Last edited Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:00 PM - Edit history (1)

For anti-Semitic comments.

The assholery during the primary was on both sides.

Also: Susan Sarandon has a special place in Hell.

On edit: she appears to have just gone primarily to Twitter, and has a DU account. I'll read what she writes in either place. I still agree that "Fuck You" is the only proper comment to be made to Susan Sarandon.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:48 PM

18. Wow, I had a feeling it wasn't by choice, but I had no idea why.

That's a complete game changer for me.

Thanks for letting me know.

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:56 PM

23. I'm totally hazy on the details

And I might be way off base. In fact, I hope I am

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:00 PM

24. Looks like she's FFR, not actually banned.

 

I'm curious too. I'd just figured the lack of posting was due to all of the other effort she puts into social media.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:00 PM

25. You're not off base

 

Her anti-semitism is well documented.

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Response to melman (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:09 PM

29. That's actually not true. I have Jewish heritage and was accused of being anti-Semitic, too.

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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:59 AM

160. Article in the OP talks about another victim who had the same accusation slung at her.

Bullies stalk and harass and then take the responses and twist them out of context. It was obvious that was what was happening here. DU was a real shit show during the election.

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Response to kcr (Reply #160)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:33 AM

212. Yep there are unreasonable people in every demographic

Accusations are easily made.

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Response to kcr (Reply #160)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:14 PM

450. During the election? Have you looked at this thread?

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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:43 AM

174. In what context?

 

Can you provide any details?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #174)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:43 AM

216. I'd love to tell you but that might cause me some problems.

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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:13 PM

449. I'm gay and was reported for being homophobic on here.

Had a post blocked as well.

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Response to melman (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:15 PM

33. Well document it here now. Don't make that kind of accusation without proof.

This can't be taken lightly.

I was accused of anti-Semitism here myself just last week for criticizing Netanyahu for trying to goad us into attacking Iran, as if that's the same thing as being anit-Semitic.

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Response to brush (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:43 PM

45. See my post 29, I was too. Seems if you criticize someone who is Jewish you're anti-Semitic.

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Response to George II (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:59 PM

57. I remember that line of "attack' being trumped up because Hillary is a woman.

An equalizer of -isms, so to speak. It wasn't really a genuine event, so I can see what you're saying.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #57)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:31 PM

77. Ummhmm

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Response to melman (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:15 PM

34. Then document it, instead of throwing out accusations. I never saw it.n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:22 PM

35. This has been discussed here many times

 

in many threads including a 500-post "apology" thread. I find it kind of hard to believe you missed all that.

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Response to melman (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:32 PM

41. I don't know what you're talking about. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #41)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:47 PM

47. Then do a search

 

You'll find plenty on this topic.

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Response to melman (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:50 PM

49. You made the assertion; it's up to you to back it up. I'm not going on any wild goose chases. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #49)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:53 PM

52. That's the way it goes around here...."you go find what I said".

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #49)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:04 PM

64. "made the assertion"

 

No. I referenced something that is very well known here.

Known to everyone I would think. In the unlikely event that someone doesn't get the reference they can look it up.

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Response to melman (Reply #64)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:27 PM

74. You made the assertion: "Her anti-semitism is well documented."

And then you refused to back it up -- for some reason known only to you.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #74)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:29 PM

404. Well documented they say?

There must be hundreds of posts then. I don't remember one...well her apology, yet there are more???

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Response to melman (Reply #64)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:35 PM

80. So well known???

Link.

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Response to melman (Reply #64)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:35 AM

213. Oh please, who remembers

every DU dust up, especially if not involved in it?

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Response to melman (Reply #64)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:15 PM

451. I don't know either.

 

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Response to Jim Beard (Reply #451)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:24 PM

453. Well

 

Then you have found the right thread. Keep reading and you'll see it.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #49)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:49 AM

167. LMGTFY...

Her "apology" for her anti-Semitic comments was the first one google found:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10027698667

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #169)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:55 AM

170. Oh yes

 

Admitted it all. Isn't that something?


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Response to progressoid (Reply #167)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 05:35 PM

280. What "apology"? What "anti-Semitic comments"? Don't see any.

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Response to George II (Reply #280)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:06 PM

283. Right

 

The apology post was deleted so that means it was never there.


Even though there are hundreds of posts in that thread addressing it. Including the first reply which says 'thanks for your apology"


But the actual first post was deleted so it must not have ever happened.

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Response to melman (Reply #283)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:10 PM

286. No one knows for sure what it said - anyone have a screen shot?

Aside from that, didn't you say it was "well documented"?

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Response to George II (Reply #286)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:13 PM

289. Sorry

 

Not interested in this game.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #295)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 07:42 PM

301. I still don't see anything anti-Semitic.

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Response to George II (Reply #301)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 10:52 PM

320. Yep, those DUers accepting her apology mistakenly thought it was about her anti-Semitic comments.

Turns out that whole apology thread was about her misuse of the semi-colon.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #320)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 09:53 AM

358. Curious, all of these posts talk about "anti-Semitism", yet no one can show us a single word....

....of anti-Semitism. Guess it isn't so well documented, huh?

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Response to George II (Reply #358)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:14 PM

366. Everyone has seen it

 

Some just like to pretend they haven't.

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Response to melman (Reply #366)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:34 PM

367. Never happened. And it's only proven out by the fact that no one can post a single...

...."anti-Semitic" comment or quote.

Have a blessed day.

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Response to George II (Reply #367)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:38 PM

368. It's been posted many times

 

Everyone has seen it.

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Response to melman (Reply #368)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:53 PM

374. And yet no one seems to be able to find it. Why is that?

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Response to George II (Reply #374)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 03:06 PM

376. It's been posted many times

 

And linked to right in this very thread. Some just pretend not to have seen it.

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Response to melman (Reply #376)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:15 PM

385. On DU? This very thread? Really? I've read every post (all 300+)....

...I haven't seen anything anti-Semitic.

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Response to George II (Reply #385)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:20 PM

387. Sure

 

Whatever you say.

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Response to melman (Reply #387)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:26 PM

389. Funny thing, I say something doesn't exist, you say it does but can't point me to it.

I guess I'll drop out of this discussion and go to the Mystic Aquarium again.

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Response to George II (Reply #389)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:30 PM

390. Who says I can't?

 

I just know that there's no need because there isn't a single person here who hasn't seen it. Not one.

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Response to melman (Reply #390)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:33 PM

391. Oh, you've taken a poll of all the people here? NO ONE has seen it, it does not exist.

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Response to George II (Reply #391)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:34 PM

392. No one?

 

Then what was the apology all about?

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Response to melman (Reply #392)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:36 PM

393. Why ask me? You "read" what the apology was about didn't you?

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Response to George II (Reply #393)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:44 PM

396. This is all very transparent

 

This whole routine here is quite...well... not exactly clever ...but it's something.

Points for effort I suppose, but unfortunately these techniques don't work on me. Sooo so sorry.

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Response to melman (Reply #390)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:32 PM

406. I never saw it.

Please provide a link.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #406)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:36 PM

408. Sorry

 

Not playing this game.

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Response to melman (Reply #408)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:22 PM

452. I have heard that Chess helps the mind block out unpleasant thoughts and is relaxing. It is a game I

 

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Response to Jim Beard (Reply #452)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:25 PM

454. That's nice

 

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Response to melman (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:53 PM

53. I missed that.

I didn't even know she was gone.

Is there a link?

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Response to melman (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:18 PM

70. If it was discussed here "many times" surely it wouldn't take you long to find one, true?

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Response to George II (Reply #70)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:32 PM

78. Find one?

 

Why would I need to find one? I'm not the one claiming to know nothing about this. I'm all caught up, thanks. Don't need to read or find anything.

Anyway, there's a link in this very thread for those really interested and somehow unable to remember this infamous incident and/or do a search.


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Response to melman (Reply #78)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:36 PM

81. You're the one who made a characterization about a member here which may or may not be true....

....one would think it would behoove the person who made the assertion to show how that it is true, correct?

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Response to George II (Reply #81)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:44 PM

84. True.

Also the assertion is being made about a member that can not defend herself.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #84)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:47 PM

88. And it's not even true. I wonder if anyone here even knows what being "anti-Semitic" really is....

....much less spell it correctly.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:55 PM

98. She made a single unfortunate statement, probably in anger. But that commenter is exaggerating

 

To say that "her antisemitism is well documented" is stretching the truth past the breaking point.

As George II indicated above, accusations of antisemitism were flying without any regard to reality. I am Jewish (and the son of a holocaust survivor) and I was accused of antisemitism for not supporting Bernie and for characterizing him as a snake oil salesman with a post of a video from one of my favorite movies "The Inspector General". The video is Yakov's elixer.

As I laughingly indicated to people at the time, besides the fact that I am Jewish, the Yakov in Yakov's elixer is not Jewish, they are Roma. And the film stars and is centered around one of my favorite actors of all time, Danny Kaye, who is Jewish and would not have participated in a film with any antisemitic depictions. In fact his role in Skokie was pretty groundbreaking, you should Google what that movie was about to see what I mean.

In any case, you have to take any antisemitism accusations by Bernie supporters against Hillary supporters with, if not a grain of salt, with at least deep suspicion.

One unfortunate statement is not "her antisemitism is well documented". I would have preferred if Bravenak had not said it, and it was right that she apologized, but many here who never have spoken up for Jews in any context other than this have used the issue as a political weapon rather than a fight against religiocentrism and bigotry.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #98)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:14 PM

104. +++++

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #98)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:15 PM

105. It was more than a single statement and you know that. She was quite the disruptor

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #105)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:16 PM

106. Nope, the only statement I remember was linked below by "Still One"

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9648514

You will note that Still_One like me is Jewish. Most Jews here on DU forgave Bravenak when she apologized.

I find only non-Jews pushing the "antisemitism" label on her.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #108)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:20 PM

109. Are we still discussing the antisemitism accusation or are you now throwing anything at her that

 

you can think of?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #109)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:22 PM

110. Did you read it?

 

She was posting vile RWer shit. Her antisemitism was widely known, and not just here.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #110)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:24 PM

113. On a scale of 1-10 in terms of antisemitic statements made toward me in my life

 

that would rate about a 0.9.

Does that make it OK? No. But it does not warrant what you are making it.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #113)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:25 PM

116. Your claim was she made a single statement. That's pretty much NOT true at all.

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #116)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:26 PM

117. You linked the same one I knew about and that still_one posted below. If you know more

 

link them.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #117)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 08:07 AM

352. For some reason, some are reposting the same reference I referred to, and referencing it as though

they were different events.

I think I even saw a comment in this thread with a link trying to infer that she is somehow associated with the Russians. That link does not show that at all.

I have not seen the repeated use of anti-Semitic remarks that is being alleged

As I said, there was an apology, which I believed to be sincere, and some accepted that apology, and some didn't.

There was a lot of ugliness going on in 2016, and the exchanges that took place between us left a mark, that will take a long time to heal.

It is obvious that DU is still being haunted by the ghosts of 2016.

.

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Response to still_one (Reply #352)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 10:24 AM

361. I'll send you a PM with my full thoughts but it's clear some still have it out for her and

 

are trying to magnify and invent anything they can to throw at her.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #108)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:26 AM

151. Except you won't find anything re Brav there. nt

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #105)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:02 PM

132. You're going to accuse her of being a fake activist?

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #105)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:58 AM

218. Well, if there was more than one, as I said to the other person who claimed....

...her anti-Semitism is "well documented", then it wouldn't be too difficult to find other examples, right?

What does that link have to do with this discussion. Are you hinting that Bravenak is a Russian plant?

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Response to George II (Reply #218)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:13 AM

227. She wasn't just Banned from DU, she was banned from Kos

 

And if you get banned from multiple progressive sites, you are doing something very very wrong.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #227)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:45 AM

230. This is DU, what happens anywhere else is irrelevant. And she wasn't banned from DU.

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Response to George II (Reply #230)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:06 PM

248. It's not irrelevant. And FFR for MONTHS is effectively, yes, Banned.

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #248)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:03 PM

269. The effect may be the same, but the implications aren't. It isn't the same.

Accounts are banned and shut off at DU. Hers wasn't. When people hear a poster is banned it implies something much different than being in review limbo.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #227)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:33 PM

261. I find it troubling that she posted on that rightwing site.

I'd never even heard of it until I followed some of the links in this thread.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #261)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:44 PM

410. I am confused at your response to McCoy.

berni_mccoy (20,266 posts)
227. She wasn't just Banned from DU, she was banned from Kos

And if you get banned from multiple progressive sites, you are doing something very very wrong.


KOS is a RW site now?

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #227)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 07:24 PM

299. Yes.

This.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #98)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:01 PM

131. Thanks, stevenleser! n/t

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #98)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:32 AM

172. She stated that she opposed Bernie "to repay the Jews in kind". She back-peddled later

and switched to just hating Bernie.

Her apology would have been credible if she had the decency to stop the smears against Bernie afterwards. Instead, we are expected to believe that she went from hating Bernie for being Jewish to just hating him for being Bernie within a week. How convenient...

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #172)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 08:52 AM

192. You can have your opinion, Jews like me on DU have ours

 

People can decide which one of our views on antisemitism hold more weight.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #192)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:06 AM

198. Right. Because you magically know my cultural identity and have polled "99% of Jewish DUers"

as you claimed below. Not.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #198)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:08 AM

199. I can tell pretty easily by how you have politicized this. No one actually concerned

 

about antisemitism would do that.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #199)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:18 AM

202. Right. I have "politicized this"...

Uh huh

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #202)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 10:41 AM

223. Yup, your #173 below shows what your concern really is. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #199)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:08 PM

284. I bet that one will get ignored.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #98)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 07:19 AM

181. +1

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #98)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:27 AM

205. Does that forgiveness apply to other people who make bigoted comments?

Or just antisemitic comments?

Seems to be a lot of people make excuses for antisemitic comments or give people passes for making them.

I guess Jews don't get the same level protection as other groups.

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #205)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:42 AM

214. There was a poster who accused people

of homophobia for not agreeing with everything he said. Every ism had been thrown around sometime by someone.

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #205)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 10:31 AM

221. Again, depending on exactly what was said? Yes. This was pretty mild. nt

 

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Response to melman (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:54 PM

96. Do tell

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Response to melman (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:24 PM

136. So prove it.

Many DU members of color were alert stalked and silenced. She was a strong voice, so she was one of them.

I am not Jewish but I was accused of anti-Semitism by someone here, someone I now have on ignore.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #136)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:53 AM

177. In what context were you accused of anti-Semitism?

 

Can you provide any details?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #177)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 08:54 AM

194. Whether she provides the details or not I believe her, it happened to me

 

And I provided details above.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #194)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:18 AM

201. No lack of belief on my part

 

Just wanted to know more about it.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #201)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:26 AM

330. All right.

I K&Red an OP that had an article critical of Bernie. Apparently, there was a word in the post, in Yiddish, that I did not know could be interpreted as a racial slur. I don't remember the word.

I stood by my recommendation of the article and the post. The same person accused me, in more than one post, of being anti-Semitic, and demanded that I rescind my recommendation. I refused to be bullied by this person, who has a history of bullying.

I would do it again. I don't speak Yiddish, but the article criticizing Bernie was valid.

I won't call out the person who has bullied me and others again and again on DU. I have her on ignore.

That is all I am going to say about this. Accept it or don't accept it. I became very tired of being followed and alert stalked by this person.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:44 PM

83. That's a pretty serious charge to make

especially if one is "totally hazy on the details and...might be way off base".

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:12 PM

31. Pls don't just believe an accusation like that with no documentation

I know Bravenak was continuously alert stalked here on DU.

I don't remember any anti-Semitism claims.

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Response to brush (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:45 PM

85. It was real.

Posted elsewhere, apologized for here.

I chose to believe it was heat of the moment and a lesson was learned. Hope so.

If you're reading, hey brave.

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Response to Susan Calvin (Reply #85)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:43 AM

215. True. IMO it is disingenuous to

hang onto it forever and refuse to forgive it forever and keep using it against the person forever.

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Response to brush (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:35 PM

122. Well, She Was To Some

continuously offensive. I doubt she wins many converts.

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Response to RobinA (Reply #122)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:56 PM

139. She wasn't continually offensive to many here. She was alert stalked here though...

and harassed offline even.

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Response to brush (Reply #139)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:10 PM

285. And for one reason and one reason only, she was critical of Bernie Sanders.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #285)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:06 AM

325. Exactly, the sainted one.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #285)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 08:05 PM

413. Yes.

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Response to brush (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:57 AM

168. It's documented.




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Response to progressoid (Reply #168)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:52 AM

176. Certified internet documentation. Wow!

Too bad folks who throw this accusation never show that in context. It makes it clear she's sarcastically referring to very horrible posts made on another site that is nothing like DU.

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Response to kcr (Reply #176)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 10:20 AM

220. Sure.

It's that kind of "sarcasm" that got her banned from that other site. And DU.

Of course if it was sarcasm, why did she post this supposedly heartfelt apology? Even she didn't claim it was sarcasm.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #220)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:45 AM

231. She didn't get banned from DU

And I don't know why you expect me to speak for someone else. But I know I probably would have done the same thing. I'm not the type of person who only apologizes if I feel I did something wrong because only my intentions matter and to hell with what anyone else thinks. I also apologize if something I did hurt another, even if it wasn't my intention.

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Response to kcr (Reply #231)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:06 PM

233. I don't expect you to speak for her.

If she hadn't been 'flagged for review' (sorry, I mistakenly used the term 'banned'), she could speak for herself here. Unfortunately for her, DU has community standards. Luckily for her, on Twitter she can be as belligerent as she wants to and not have to apologize.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #233)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:00 PM

268. Yep, she could. It's a shame she can't.

DU's jury system, particularly the one in place during the primaries before Skinner made some much needed changes, encourages bullying. It's fine if you're the kind of person who can brush it off. But it's too bad we have to lose good members because of it.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #168)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:58 AM

179. "It's documented."



So serious, a one-off comment, The Comment That Changed The World.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #179)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:00 AM

225. One-off?

Yeah, that must be why she repeatedly kept getting hides and suspensions as well.

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:32 PM

120. I Figured

she slunk away after screaming at anyone worried that Trump might win the election for being a concern troll. Days before the election. And how did THAT work out?

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Response to RobinA (Reply #120)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:18 PM

134. Well, you were wrong. She didn't "slunk away"

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #18)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:32 AM

211. I doubt that is a fair characterization

Probably exaggerated. Bravenak just doesn't like Bernie.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:09 PM

30. Wait a minute. I don't remember any anti-Semitism from Bravenak. You'd better back that up...

with facts.

I know she was alert stalked heer repeatedly, and even offline.

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Response to brush (Reply #30)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:15 PM

32. Google it.

I just did, because I only half-remembered the drama. Turns out there's all that and more. I guess good people say stupid shit sometimes.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:31 PM

39. Saw some accusations on there, but no proof at all.

 

You know, it's generally good form to back up assertions you make yourself.
Pretty poor form to make the assertion, then tell the recipient to look up the evidence of your own assertion.

I definitely saw some strongly worded anti-Bernie postings there, but nothing that was anti-sematic. At least on the first 2 pages of results.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #39)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:07 AM

147. There is no proof because it's bullshit.

She was a major target of the Bernie crowd here.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:13 PM

67. Interesting. I just checked Front Page out-it's an extreme right wing site.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #46)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:31 AM

153. There's noting by brav there. nt

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:55 PM

54. She was active on DU until April or so

I think she is very busy on twitter

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:58 PM

56. She is, I was incorrect about "booting"

And I read her tweets. Could not agree more about Susan Sarandon.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:49 PM

92. She is FFR

Many DUers were accused of antisemitism in those days.

The vast majority of her posts were an attempt to express the AA POV during the primaries/general. It wasn't taken well by some. There was a good bit of what some might call alert stalking of AA DUers, some of it by those who mocked HRC voters as "vagina voters."

We lost a lot of valuable voices then.

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Response to mcar (Reply #92)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:42 PM

125. I've been here since the beginning.

And I legitimately don't know what FFR means.

These primaries sucked. They sucked for everyone. They sucked worse than all the other primaries before. I just hope we all realize that, regardless of all shit talk, we come together before 2018.

Does anyone who's truly devoted, who truly LOVES, either Hillary or Bernie, think they give a shit about feelings? They're politicians, the both of them. Not angels, not demons. Just people like the rest of us with a job to do. Our hurt feelings our making their jobs more difficult.

/endrant

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #125)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:53 PM

128. FFR is Flagged For Review meaning Unable to post for as long as the admins feel you deserve

 

You haven't been booted off the site and you could be reinstated at any time, but you have been difficult enough in terms of how the admins see it that you deserve a lengthy timeout.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #128)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:10 AM

163. It is also an automated thing when you get a few hides in a row.

She told like 4-5 DUer's to "fuck off" and of course the jury hid her comments, so she was put into that status automatically. I doubt she's attempted to come back here given how the site handled the racists that were rampant at the time.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #163)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:44 AM

175. She was flagged, given amnesty after people whined to the admins, then flagged again

under the new, anonymous system.

I find it to be very telling that, for the most part, the same people who claimed about unfair treatment by the jury system were booted again after being given a second chance and after the system was modified. Kind of lays the initial claims about unfair treatment to rest.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #175)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:36 PM

258. That's because she was alert stalked. Lots of us were.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #258)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:18 PM

259. And many of us continue to be alert stalked. Even though we are the recipients of the nasty

 

and ad-hominem posts.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #267)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:25 PM

270. I have had three posts that were hidden overturned by admins because the alerts were unfounded.

 

And that was just in the last two months.

That is alert stalking.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #272)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:27 PM

403. Nope. Apparently it's just 5 hidden posts and one becomes FFR

and then that's it. (As it was explained to me.)

That's the problem with alert stalkers, they easily silence people if they can manage to hide posts through swarming. It happens on twitter too.

Did you ever consider that people are upset because they're being alert stalked by many who choose to be hostile, abusive and uncivil simply because they disagree?

Even perfectly civil posts that they simply don't like, which don't violate any rules, are hidden, while blatant attacks are left up.

Says a little something.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #416)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 12:14 AM

418. I was otherwise occupied during the primaries.

I think we're still seeing a great many people who are still dueling it out.

To the point that if they identify you as not one of them, they will bring on the hostility no matter what you're saying.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #270)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:36 PM

274. Okay

 

So what does that say about hides they don't overturn?

I mean if they are so willing to overturn unfair hides, then the ones that remain must have been deemed legitimate.

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Response to melman (Reply #274)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 12:56 PM

438. Nope, that is not true. I believe Skinner has said as much

 

Skinner and EarlG seem to use a very rigid criteria in terms of what they will overturn. It has to be so completely clear that the post did not violate the rule that it is impossible by any standard to think that it did. No mitigating circumstances are allowed.

So if a hide was overturned, it was an egregious abuse of the alert system.

But that doesn’t mean a non-overturned hide was a legitimate hide.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #267)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:36 PM

273. I think you were just proven wrong.

 

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #275)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 08:05 PM

306. See post #266 above. If I say anything more than that it's technically alertable. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #259)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:12 PM

288. That is an absolute fact.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #258)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:43 PM

263. No it's not

 

It's because she was extremely hostile and abusive pretty much constantly.

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Response to melman (Reply #263)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:47 PM

264. She was definitely alert staked, a lot of POC and feminists have been subjected to alert stalking

 

As well as those who unapologetically support Dems. The last 3-4 alerts I got were complete bullshit and the admins agreed. Always the same threads.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #264)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:14 PM

290. Unconditional support of the Democratic Party can get you in big trouble around here

A wise person would never unconditionally support a political party

UNLESS

the times called for it. Which they do.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #290)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:20 PM

294. No it can't

 

No matter how many times you say that it's just not true.

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Response to melman (Reply #263)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:45 PM

276. Yep - and banned at Kos as well.

 

Not a fan.

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Response to KTM (Reply #276)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:32 AM

424. And banned from Reddit

I didn't even know it was possible to get banned from there.

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Response to melman (Reply #263)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 08:16 PM

308. Yep she was, if you think hostile was supporting Hillary

in the same loud and in your face that bernie supporters were doing. The problem was, back in the day, just saying that Hillary was awesome could get you alerted on. It was so out of control...and wow, if you tried to push back on lies, well, that post was gone. Many of us backed down and hung out in the Hillary group...but not our queen Bravenak, she wouldn't be quiet and that pissed many off. I have to admit, there are many people here who gave me the confidence to push back during the bleak time...they were all so wonderful.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #308)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:37 PM

394. +1

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Response to all american girl (Reply #308)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 08:11 PM

415. +++

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:09 AM

161. She apologized for those comments.

It was following that the alert stalking and harassment that she blew up against other DUers that she got blocked. Every time she posted somewhere someone would pull those anti-Semitic screenshots to shut her down despite her apology. She then went on a tirade from the harassment and told DUers to fuck off repeatedly and got 4-5 hides in a row in quick order, this automatically put her in "Flagged for review" status.

Actually, she was almost permanently timed out for a long time and most of her hides were totally unjust alert stalking (people deliberately logging in late at night to serve on a jury to hide her posts).

Skinner even had to address it in the primaries, giving an amnesty to posters over their unjust hides: https://demu.gr/10135098

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #161)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:36 AM

173. Her apology would have been credible had she stopped smearing Bernie.

She went from hating Bernie for being Jewish to just hating him. How convenient...

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #173)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:56 AM

178. And there's the agenda. n/t

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #173)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:20 AM

180. Bernie, Bernie, Bernie!

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #173)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 08:56 AM

195. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other but its telling that you link the two

 

It shows the agenda is not religiocentrism or bigotry but intraparty politics.

Thank you for making that clear.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #195)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:03 AM

196. If a person who made racist statements against Obama decided to denounce racism but

went right back to speaking out against Obama a week later, for "purely unrelated reasons", I'm sure people would find that very credible...

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #196)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:21 AM

203. You are making clear she was targeted because of Bernie.

It's already been made clear that her comments were not the reason. They were used as a way to provoke and harass her.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #203)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:24 AM

204. She made it clear that her activities on DU were intended to generate negative responses.

The technical term for that is "trolling".

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #204)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:27 AM

206. I read the same thing and didn't see it that way. I saw

her being backed into a corner with comments meant to provoke her for the sin of not supporting Bernie. I read her initial support of him and how that deteriorated by the attacks on her. She was a bit undecided at first, and initiated discussions.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #204)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 08:24 PM

311. You know, it was OK to not like bernie. She had every right to

voice her support for any candidate she wanted, just like you. She also, like all of us, had every right to be firm and loud about her support. I don't understand how that is trolling. And man, the were a lot of bernie supporters who were also doing the same...it was just awful here at that time...but time has moved on

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #173)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:44 AM

217. OH please

Seriously? She can never criticize Bernie again or her apology is no good? Quit holding a grudge. It does not look that good.

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Response to treestar (Reply #217)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:26 AM

228. Well, there's a bit of irony.

Have you seen her twitter feed? It's a prime example of someone holding a grudge(s).

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Response to progressoid (Reply #228)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:39 AM

229. Bravenak is more of a person in our lives

Bernie is just a politician.

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Response to treestar (Reply #229)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:11 PM

234. YMMV

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #173)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 08:19 PM

309. So she wasn't allowed to not like bernie? No sure I get the "how convenient"

She's always been very clear how she went from hating Hillary and liking bernie, to hating bernie and would fight tooth and nail for Hillary.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:34 PM

13. Love her!

Go Queen Bravenak!

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:39 PM

14. I love her shes my favorite follow.

But she is no longer a DU member, I’m thinking she’d want me to correct the record

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:41 PM

15. I love bravenak.

She is a warrior for justice. Appreciation thread I did for her...2016







https://www.democraticunderground.com/118748037#top

Thanks so much for your Op, Amimnoch.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:46 PM

17. I love that top image

It's beautiful.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:51 PM

20. I happened upon it.

It is bravenak to a tee. Yes. It is beautiful.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:01 PM

59. Thanks...

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Response to Sancho (Reply #59)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:26 PM

72. Hey!

Luv ya~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:29 PM

75. Still love you, bravenak! Wherever you are!

How cool that she's giving Susan Sarandon hell. Give her some for ME too, bravenak!

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Response to calimary (Reply #75)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:48 PM

89. Tee hee...

The Queen rocks!

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Response to Post removed (Reply #164)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:29 AM

208. Wow.....It got that bad ?

Geez

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:49 PM

19. Love her. She's not perfect, but none of us are.

 

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:55 PM

22. Love her!

She cares for people and truth.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:02 PM

26. I don't think I've ever been as disappointed in a "liberal" woman as I am in Sarandon.

It's gotten to the point where I can't even stand to watch her in anything aymore which pisses me off because "Bull Duram" was one of my favorite go-to movies on a cold, snowy winter day.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:16 PM

291. Her (Sarandon) sentiments are very popular among many, but many of the many will not admit it

in certain circles.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:02 PM

27. Bravenak rocks

She can lay it all out on Twitter without fear of being banned or having a post alerted on

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:04 PM

28. Looks like a pissing contest to me.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:27 PM

36. I miss Bravenak

She was an important voice here.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:31 PM

40. Our queen rocks!!!!!!!

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:35 PM

43. She's on my twitter feed.....

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #43)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:57 PM

252. Mine also. I have seen some horrible comments directed at her from 'people'!!

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:37 PM

44. Some of the worst comments to Bravenak arent in the article

Overtly redneck-of-the-left racist bullshit. Scratch a Sarandon or a Stein fan—smell the “I’m not a racist but” aroma

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:52 PM

51. She is genuine and fearless.

I love her and I miss her terribly.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:00 PM

58. Bravenak rules

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:02 PM

60. I miss her and others who were silenced here.

I stay more on twitter now.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #60)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:49 PM

91. I probably should get out of my rut

And try that. Suggestions appreciated.

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Response to Susan Calvin (Reply #91)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:36 PM

241. Susan, there was a thread a while back where DUers shared their user names ....

 

And you could start w a few favorite politicians and pick up a lot of extra people to follow from their commenters. If you PM me, I can send my name and you can check out my list, which is 95% political. Writers, activists and politicans.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #241)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:34 PM

256. Thanks!

Now I just gotta get a Twitter account....!

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Response to Susan Calvin (Reply #256)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:36 PM

257. Easy- but recommend using a "throwaway" email account for privacy.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #241)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:47 PM

265. Just like here, my username is complicated...

 

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:02 PM

61. I love it when ass barnacles need marching orders from their master on who to attack next. It's sad.

"If I say mean things to someone who attacked her, maybe she'll notice me! She'll retweet my comments, and my life will be validated! There's nothing more brave than piling on a random Twitter user that insulted my master. Such courage! Pay attention to meee!"

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:03 PM

62. Love Bravenak

Miss her here, but she is out slaying dragons!

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #62)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:17 PM

69. Me too.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:03 PM

63. Bravenak really had things pegged. I've got to hand it to her.

Too bad certain fans didn't listen to her. Love her giving Susan the business.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:12 PM

66. I understand the...

 

David and Goliath dynamic, but isn't a picture made of 9 images of Ms. Sarandon that each say some variation on fuck her captioned with I forgot to say fuck you Susan Sarandon kind of intense? Apparently Bravenak didn't think Ms. Sarandon would pay attention to her yelling fuck you over and over in public. Apparently she did pay attention.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #66)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:16 PM

68. She made the nine block graphic with 9 different people

each with various "fuck you" -type text. A lot of twitter folks tweeted " you for got Susan Sarandon, so fo a joke she did the 9 panels with only Sarandon.

She has found her home on twitter. She is fantastic there.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #68)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:27 PM

73. Does that make it less intense? /nt

 

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #66)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:00 PM

100. And the problem with "kind of intense" is?

Bravenak has the right to be as intense as she chooses to be. What is the problem with intensely criticizing someone as shallow as Sarandon? Isnshe somehow exempt from criticism? Are there intensity rules?

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Response to mcar (Reply #100)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:30 PM

255. If you came across...

 

a Tweet with your image repeated 9 times each one saying some form of fuck you and then in the text was one more fuck you directed at you how would you react? That is why I mentioned that the Tweet from Bravenak was intense.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #66)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:28 AM

152. Damn, maybe SS should get off twitter if she can't handle shit like that...

I guess she can dish it out by calling women voters "vagina voters," but nine pics of her with fuck you is just too much for her...

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Response to all american girl (Reply #152)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 07:34 AM

183. +1

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:20 PM

71. the attack on bravenak done here

was one of the low points in DU history. Full Stop.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #71)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:50 PM

93. True.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #71)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:39 AM

166. Yep. nt

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #71)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 07:22 AM

182. True

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:31 PM

76. Let me preface this by saying I happen to be Jewish, and I do not believe Bravenak is anti semitic

A little background is necessary to understand a true picture of what was happening when this occurred.

Things at DU were as ugly as I have ever seen it in 2016. Emotions and words where exchanged where people said a lot of hurtful and ugly things to each other.

People were harassing each other, alert stalking, and in the emotionally charged environment, a lot of stupid things were said

The comments that are being referred to by Bravenak that caused the uproar was made on another site. The following link presents the excerpt to those comments:

https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1497565/60165323#comment_60165323

Bravenak came out on DU and apologized for those comments. Some here accepted that apology, some didn't.

I believe her apology was sincere, and I sure am proud of her not letting the Susan Sarandon insanity stand unchallenged



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Response to still_one (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:51 PM

94. Thank you. nt

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Response to still_one (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:51 PM

95. still_one



As always you are articulate and wise.

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Response to still_one (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:04 PM

102. Well said, still_one

People make mistakes. She owned up to hers.

I don't get the school of thought that some people are never to be forgiven, even when they apologize.

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Response to still_one (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:30 PM

118. Yep, you and I and every other Jewish person on DU I know accepted her apology.

 

The only folks still running with the antisemitism accusation are non-Jews trying to settle scores from the primary.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #118)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 06:18 PM

292. Now isnt that strange! Not really, but well.

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Response to still_one (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:27 PM

137. I remember that.

She messed up, she owned it and apologized. I also believe her apology was sincere and I think she learned from her angry outburst.

Her tweet about Sarandon was a thing of beauty, that it somehow made it to Sarandon's eyes (she didn't @ Sarandon in the original tweet) and led to Sarandon actually replying, shows that Bravenak has become a strong force on Twitter. I'm proud of her, too. She's found the right platform for her voice and she's using it to its fullest potential.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:32 PM

79. Haven't seen Bravenak here in a while

I follow her on Twitter where she's actively dogging Sanders supporters.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #79)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:56 PM

99. Mmmm, well....

I'm a Sanders supporter, still, but I'd still listen to brave.

(She was as well, at one time. To my recollection, what changed her mind was a lot of supporter, or maybe troll, stupidity. And maybe some Bernie blind spots. I recall discussing it, but not the details.)

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:38 PM

82. She snatched Susan's edges, it was fabulous.

(Glad to see this in GD )

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:45 PM

86. -

Always blows my mind to hear Sarandon doing voiceovers for Tylenol (Johnson & Johnson) & L'oreal products. You'd think these huge conglomerates wouldn't meet her standard of purity.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:47 PM

87. Love Bravenak!

I miss her voice here. She was not treated well by some on this board.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:49 PM

90. I miss her too.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:55 PM

97. K&R

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:05 PM

103. Put me in the "Love Her" column!

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:18 PM

107. For those cheering for Bravenak, you should read this

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #107)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:22 PM

111. Still_one already posted a link to that in #76 above. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #111)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:24 PM

114. Good. People should be made aware of it as much as possible.

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #114)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:25 PM

115. Every Jewish person on DU is aware of it. 99% of us accepted her apology.

 

It's non-Jews that are pushing the antisemitism accusation.

That should tell anyone all they need to know.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #107)

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 08:29 PM

312. You're kind of all over this thread doing this...what's up with that?

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Response to all american girl (Reply #312)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:43 PM

370. Bravenak was a disruptor and deserves no respect here

 

She spewed divisiveness and RW talking points in addition to antisemitism. To top it off she fakes a charge of harassment with a fake RL letter that was easily debunked. She is no hero for the left.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #370)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:45 PM

373. Agreed

 

On all points.