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A new study reveals that glyphosate, the main ingredient in Monsanto's popular herbicide, alters DNA function that correlates to a number of diseases.
Alternet, July 19, 2016
A review of the scientific literature links glyphosate, one of the most popular weed killers in the U.S. and the active ingredient in Roundup, to a wide range of diseases through a mechanism that modifies DNA functioning, adding a new even more troubling dimension to the herbicides cancer classification by the International Agency for Research on Cancer. According to the most recent review, Glyphosate pathways to modern disease V: Amino acid analogue of glycine in diverse proteins, conducted by independent scientists Anthony Samsel, Ph.D. and Stephanie Seneff, Ph.D., a scientist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), glyphosate acts as a glycine analogue that incorporates into peptides during protein synthesis. In this process, it alters a number of proteins that depend on conserved glycine for proper function. According to the authors, glyphosate substitution for glycine correlates with several diseases, including diabetes, obesity, asthma, Alzheimers disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), and Parkinsons disease, among others.
Glycine, the smallest amino acid commonly found in proteins, has unique properties that support flexibility and the ability to anchor to the plasma membrane or the cytoskeleton. This new direct biological evidence, taken together with correlational data, make a compelling case that glyphosate action as a glycine analogue accounts for much of glyphosates toxicity, according to the study. The authors find that glyphosate, as an amino acid analogue of glycine, may be incorporated into polypeptide chains during protein synthesis. In doing so, it has an impact on the structure and function of the proteins. Proteins fold up, and glycine is a small molecule that is often found at the folding places. Since glyphosate is much larger, it prevents the protein molecule from folding properly, leading to the disruption of function of many proteins with essential roles in metabolism and regulatory processes.
The article cites a number of ways that this affects humans and other organisms. According to the study, the consequences of this action can lead to impaired fatty acid release leading to obesity, impaired insulin receptor response leading to diabetes, impaired one-carbon metabolism leading to neural tube defects and autism, impaired cell cycle control during DNA synthesis, and disregulated phosphorylation cascades leading to cancer, lung disorders, and autoimmune diseases.
Stephen Frantz, Ph.D., a pathobiologist research scientist explains it like this: When a cell is trying to form proteins, it may grab glyphosate instead of glycine to form a damaged, mis-folded protein. After that its medical chaos. Where glyphosate replaces glycine, the cell can no longer conduct business as usual causing unpredicted consequences with many diseases and disorders as a result....snip
Read More: http://www.alternet.org/food/monsantos-roundup-weedkiller-changes-dna-function-causing-chronic-disease
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Netherlands (or IReland,Great Britain requires it)
has GMO labeling and with this product, the sugar is not GMO
Wait labeling? Their food industries must be monetarily failing and the country in unfounded chaos if they have labeling
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Elmergantry
(884 posts)There is no GMO wheat seed on the market.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)....to make it ripen faster.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-dewey-rohrich/the-truth-about-toxic-wheat_b_6180498.html
But not ALL wheat farmers use the practice:
"Pre-harvesting wheat with glyphosate (most commonly Roundup) is not something the majority of wheat farmers across the nation do. There is a small sector and region of wheat production that practices this: mainly North Dakota, small parts of South Dakota, and parts of Canada. In the United States, North Dakota represents about 5% of total wheat acres produced. We are, however, the second hard red spring wheat producer in the nation. So the claim that this occurs everywhere is not at all valid or true since only about 5% of the total production practices this pre-harvesting."
But some do:
"But on top of not having to maintain or run another piece of equipment, one of the biggest advantages is that pre-harvesting with glyphosate allows very even ripening of the wheat. Glyphosate has been shown to reduce the amount of time that it takes for a crop to reach harvest moisture if conditions are not favorable for drying. Even ripening is important to maintain quality (test weight) in our wheat crop. Some years it is a more viable practice in heavy or lodged wheat (basically wheat that has fallen down) or uneven emergence after planting. We also have the added benefit of an opportunity to control weeds pre-harvest with a glyphosate application. "
It's possibly this practice that was referenced above.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)Roundup KILLS wheat, does not make it "Genetically Modified" any more than dousing me with roundup make me genetically modified.
Good Lord...
HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)...nowhere did I say wheat was a GMO crop.
I was merely underscoring the fact that some wheat is now routinely sprayed with Roundup ( glyphosphate ) and that wheat products in the US may be contaminated with glyphosphate. I think other posters may have made the "wheat in the US is GMO" statement.
And Roundup IS dangerous.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,222 posts)womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)so the majority of the wheat in the USA is contaminated with glyphosate. People normally think, Roundup is just used on GMO foods but it is used on the majority of non organic foods in the USA. The glyphosate is so widespread, that now most of the organic wheat is also contaminated from drift. Many farmer's will not eat their own wheat.
Farmers use glyphosate on crops such as wheat, oats, and edible beans right before harvest, raising concerns that the herbicide could get into food products
EXCERPT: We are told these (glyphosate residues) are too small to matter but can we believe that? the Saskatchewan farmer asked. I think everyone, even farmers that use and love glyphosate, would rather not eat a loaf of bread with glyphosate in it.
http://www.gmwatch.org/news/latest-news/16770-why-is-glyphosate-sprayed-on-crops-right-before-harvest
Elmergantry
(884 posts)I doubt it. Not a common practice.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Western Wyoming was one of the few places that had glyphosate free organic wheat.
ALERT: Certified Organic Food Grown in U.S. Found Contaminated with Glyphosate Herbicide
All tested positive for glyphosate residue. The range was from 0.07 mg/kg to 0.09 mg/kg. Keep in mind this is glyphosate found in non-GMO crops. For a GMO crop such as GMO soybeans, which are sprayed heavily with glyphosate, the range is typically between 3.3 and 5.7 mg/kg. (Source.)
Next, Tropical Traditions tested the USDA certified organic grains from suppliers they had been using, sourced mainly from western states such as Montana and Idaho. Sadly, the presence of glyphosate residue was found in organic wheat and other organic grains, including organic barley, oats, spelt, and einkorn. The range was from 0.03 to 0.06 mg/kg, just slightly lower than the conventional grains that were tested.
The only organic grains that tested clean were organic rye and organic millet. There was also one variety of organic wheat from small-scale farmers in Wisconsin that tested clean from glyphosate.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Stephanie Seneff is a computer scientist.
Another day, another easily debunked set of "research" from the anti-GMO crowd.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)--------------------------
PS: Samsel and Seneff completely debunked: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090
Archae
(46,359 posts)Even Andrew Wakefield, although he lost his medical license, is still making money hand over fist from his bullshit.
Wakefield has been discredited completely in actual medical groups.
Yet...his groupies still believe every word he says, and even make total shit "documentaries" with him.
Someone here posted a "BREAKING NEWS STORY!!!" that Poland had banned GMO's.
So? This is the same government that has as one of it's top people a religious leader who is a vicious anti-Semite.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It's really sad.
And it's embarrassing that this debunked nonsense has 37 likes at DU.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You might not actually realize that, but there is no projection.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Lawsuits Mount Against Monsanto's 'Cancer-Causing' Weedkiller
Looks like the cancer lawsuits against Monsanto are gaining country-wide momentum. Reuters reports that personal injury law firms around the U.S. are gathering numerous plaintiffs to build "mass tort actions" alleging that exposure to the company's popular weedkiller, Roundup, causes cancer.
"We can prove that Monsanto knew about the dangers of glyphosate," Michael McDivitt, whose Colorado law firm is arranging cases for 50 individuals, told Reuters. "There are a lot of studies showing glyphosate causes these cancers."
http://www.ecowatch.com/lawsuits-mount-against-monsantos-cancer-causing-weedkiller-1882107602.html
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)So you might want to stop pretending, since your lawyers have been debunked her over and over again.
PS: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Official GM crop cultivation bans:
Africa (2)
The picture on GM cultivation bans across Africa is not clear due to the current pressure being put on many African governments by the Biotech industry and the Gates Foundation to lift long-standing bans on the import of unmilled GMO seeds or unmilled GMO food aid, however two countries do still have full legal bans on GM crop cultivation:
Algeria (since 2000)
Madagascar (since 2002)
Asia (4)
Turkey,
Kyrgyzstan
Bhutan
Saudi Arabia
Americas (4)
Belize
Peru
Ecuador
Venezuela
Europe (28)
Scotland
Wales
Northern Ireland
Germany
France
The Netherlands
Malta
Cyprus
Greece
Bulgaria
Russia
Serbia
Croatia
Italy
Denmark
Hungary
Moldova
Latvia
Lithuania
Austria
Poland
Slovenia
Azerbaijan
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Luxembourg
Ukraine (although there is massive GM contamination in the country)
Norway
Switzerland
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Got it.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)That's not ok.
BTW, your heroes have been shown to be the frauds they are by many, many people.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)That's just reality.
BTW, your heroes have been shown to be the frauds they are.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)So I appreciate your confession.
ProfessorGAC
(65,248 posts)Interesting.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Tom Hartman interviews Dr. Stephanie Seneff earlier this month at Ring of Fire. She talks about glyphosate disrupting the gut microbes - how Roundup effects the uptake of vitamins and minerals. Of course, Monsanto would debunk this research - they sell over 4 billion dollars a yr of Roundup.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:44 AM - Edit history (1)
Reality: http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2013/04/30/is_glyphosate_poisoning_everyone
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Not to mention she did exactly zero research on glyphosate. None of it is "her" research.
keithbvadu2
(36,962 posts)Monsanto Advocate Says Roundup Is Safe Enough To Drink, Then Refuses To Drink It
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/monsanto-roundup-patrick-moore_n_6956034.html
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)People should be more careful about what they claim!
villager
(26,001 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)...and they refused to actually drink it, then this must somehow invalidate the fact?
Glyphosate is less toxic than culinary vinegar, and it just isn't that hard to prove.
keithbvadu2
(36,962 posts)Surely there will be a television station that will air it and verify the product consumed.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,962 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I asked you a question which you refused to answer.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Did you see the latest indictment of Monsanto making the rounds? Its a peer-reviewed paper in the journal Entropy, co-authored by Anthony Samsel and Stephanie Seneff, blaming glyphosate, the compound in the herbicide Roundup, for virtually all the ills that can befall us.
...
Slog through their argument (and, please, if you take this seriously, read the paper!), and you find it boils down to two things. Glyphosate, they claim, 1) inhibits CYP enzymes, which are active in lots of metabolic processes, and 2) disrupts gut bacteria, which are susceptible to its mechanism (disrupting the shikimate pathway), even though humans are not. Therefore, any condition that involves metabolic processes or gut bacteria must be affected by glyphosate exposure. QED!
Heres the list of ills they blame, at least in part, on Roundup: inflammatory bowel disease, obesity, Alzheimers, autism, anorexia, dementia, depression, Parkinsons, reproductive issues, liver diseases and cancer.
The evidence for these mechanisms, and their impact on human health, is all but nonexistent. The authors base their claim about CYP enzymes on two studies, one of liver cells and one of placental cells, which report endocrine disruptions when those cells are exposed to glyphosate. Neither study is CYP-specific (The effect of pesticides on CYP enzymes, by contrast, has been studied specifically.) As for the gut bacteria, there appears to be no research at all on glyphosates effect on them.
...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamar-haspel/condemning-monsanto-with-_b_3162694.html
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)the lawsuits are coming big time - They would not be coming if there was not good evidence. Why are you for Monsanto?
Monsantos Roundup Labeled Cancer-Causing in California
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Ring of Fire is a hotbed of CT woo nonsense.
BTW, under CA Prop 65, Stainless Steel pots must be labeled as cancer causing.
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/cancer-warning-labels-based-on-californias-proposition-65
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Actually, there is weapons grade uranium and plutonium in some metals - I guess that would cause cancer. I don't need a double dose by putting glyphosate contaminated food in my steel plutonium pot. Better take your geiger counter when you go shopping,
Going shopping? Dont forget your wallet and credit card. Or Geiger counter.
The discovery of radioactive tissue boxes at Bed, Bath & Beyond Inc. stores in January raised alarms among nuclear security officials and company executives over the growing global threat of contaminated scrap metal.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Only because they were forced to. Can you believe the FDA said they didn't test in the past because the equipment was too expensive.
Talk about being in bed with Monsanto. The FDA will start with the most contaminated foods first - eggs, soy, corn, milk - plus undisclosed others.
MohRokTah - can you explain to me why you find this so funny"
The FDA says it didnt test food for glyphosate in the past because the available methods would have been very cost- and labor-intensive to implement.
http://www.newsweek.com/fda-will-begin-testing-food-glyphosate-most-heavily-used-farm-chemical-ever-428790
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)You think it's a waste of money. That's kind of a Republican point of view - no regulations or tests on our food supply.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)If you don't wash your fresh fruit and vegetables then you are just being stupid.
Also, the fresh fruits and vegetables that have the most poisonous carcinogens all over them are always labeled "Organic".
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)freezing and cooking does not eliminate it
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)So in other words they are terrified a trace of something that probably causes cancer doesn't cause cancer is contaminating something that definitely causes cancer. You can't make shit up this funny.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)but you think Ring of Fire, a progressive Democratic site is woo.
Papantonio is noted for his success in mass torts, product liability, personal injury, and wrongful death cases, and has returned numerous jury verdicts of multi-million dollar damages for injured persons. He is a Board Certified Civil Trial Lawyer by the Florida Bar and the National Board of Trial Advocacy. He is a fellow in the International Academy of Trial Lawyers and the International Society of Barristers. He is a member of the American Board of Trial Advocates; the American Association for Justice; the Southern Trial Lawyers Association; and the Florida Justice Association, where he served on the Board of Directors for five years.
Papantonio has been listed in the publication Best Lawyers in America since 1999, and has written several books, including Resurrecting Aesop: Fables Lawyers Should Remember; Clarence Darrow, the Journeyman; and In Search of Atticus Finch, A Motivational Book for Lawyers, as well as Defenses You Can Count on in an Asbestosis Case and How to Prove a Sick Building Case. He also co-authored Closing ArgumentsThe Last Battle with Fred Levin.
Papantonio says he wrote In Search of Atticus Finch as a wake-up call to the legal profession that has largely lost its moral compass and has said that seventy percent of kids coming out of law school want to represent corporations and get paid exorbitant amounts of money. Theyre willing to sell their souls to the highest bidder. We need to bring more quality to what we do as lawyers, we need to be better servants to the community and we need to have more political involvement for positive change in the country.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Like I said, conspiracy theory woo.
The entire Ring of Fire show is crap and everybody on it cannot be trusted in anything they say.
Ring of Fire is the Infowars of the Left.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)That is why there is a federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. I am not against vaccines, but there is a small percentage of people who are injured and die from vaccines.
This webpage provides information on how to file a vaccine injury claim, links and resources on vaccine injury compensation to aid those who believe that they have suffered a vaccine injury and to raise awareness of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
NVIC's co-founders worked with Congress on the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, which acknowledged that vaccine injuries and deaths are real and that the vaccine injured and their families should be financially supported and that vaccine safety protections were needed in the mass vaccination system.
The law preserved the right for vaccine injured persons to bring a lawsuit in the court system if federal compensation is denied or is not sufficient. By 2010, the U.S. Court of Claims had awarded nearly $3 billion dollars to vaccine victims for their catastrophic vaccine injuries, although two out of three applicants have been denied
http://www.nvic.org/injury-compensation.aspx
Here is the US Dept of Health and Human Services site: http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/
National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
From the US Dept of Health and Human Services - the vaccine injury table http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccineinjurytable.pdf
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)He's a disgrace.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)The federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, better known as vaccine court, awarded 1.5 million autism claim
In addition to the first year, the family will receive more than $500,000 per year to pay for Hannah's care. Those familiar with the case believe the compensation could easily amount to $20 million over the child's lifetime.
Hannah was described as normal, happy and precocious in her first 18 months.
Then, in July 2000, she was vaccinated against nine diseases in one doctor's visit: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae.
Afterward, her health declined rapidly. She developed high fevers, stopped eating, didn't respond when spoken to, began showing signs of autism, and began having screaming fits. In 2002, Hannah's parents filed an autism claim in federal vaccine court. Five years later, the government settled the case before trial and had it sealed. It's taken more than two years for both sides to agree on how much Hannah will be compensated for her injuries.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)This is the result of nuts pushing anti-science bullshit, not vaccines actually causing autism.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Can't say that I'm surprised.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Most people do fine with vaccines, but there is a compensation program for the few who don't.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Someone who dares to call bullshit on obvious bullshit is a "Monsanto lover", but someone who vigorously defends a batshit crazy anti-vaxxer's anti-vax nonsense isn't an anti-vaxxer.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)This morning I was told that pointing out the problems with Samsel and Seneff's silliness means I think glyphosate is "Yummy goodness" etc...
I have to laugh. What else can one do?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You know, there's this whole evidence and science pieces of the puzzle. You really have to stop ignoring those.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Papantonio is fresh off helping the small town of Spelter, W.Va., win one of the largest environmental cases in the country. It will force DuPont Co. to clean up a smoldering, menacing pile of black toxic waste that has poisoned the water, the ground, the air, residents--everything--for almost a century. The 112-acres of waste piled as high as 100-feet reminds Papantonio of a passage in "Dante's Inferno" describing hell. https://www.levinlaw.com/news/polluters-beware
JURY VERDICTS
$1 Billion in Defective Product Case
$480 Million in Defective Product Case
$380 Million in Environmental Pollution Case
$42 Million in Defective Drug Case
$42 Million in Fraud Case
$31 Million in Medical Malpractice Case
$25 Million in Defective Drug Case
$18 Million in Train Derailment
$12.6 Million in Truck Accident
$10 Million in Breach of Contract
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You know you can't support your claims on the topic that is actually being discussed. Nor can your lawyer friend, who has aligned himself with anti-vaccine nonsense, as well as bad propaganda on this topic. Of course, that was all shown extensively on the thread to which I linked, and yet you continue to promote that nonsense.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)How did you become a Monsanto lover? I'm really curious.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)who wrote the "paper" conducted no study at all. They wrote a shitload of nonsense, though.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Kinda funny how the anti-GMO movement idolizes a dipshit who intentionally seeded his fields with stolen Monsanto seed and then claims his farm was 'contaminated'.
As established in the original Federal Court trial decision, Percy Schmeiser, a canola breeder and grower in Bruno, Saskatchewan, first discovered Roundup-resistant canola in his crops in 1997.[4] He had used Roundup herbicide to clear weeds around power poles and in ditches adjacent to a public road running beside one of his fields, and noticed that some of the canola which had been sprayed had survived. Schmeiser then performed a test by applying Roundup to an additional 3 acres (12,000 m2) to 4 acres (16,000 m2) of the same field. He found that 60% of the canola plants survived. At harvest time, Schmeiser instructed a farmhand to harvest the test field. That seed was stored separately from the rest of the harvest, and used the next year to seed approximately 1,000 acres (4 km²) of canola.
At the time, Roundup Ready canola was in use by several farmers in the area. Schmeiser claimed that he did not plant the initial Roundup Ready canola in 1997, and that his field of custom-bred canola had been accidentally contaminated. While the origin of the plants on Schmeiser's farm in 1997 remains unclear, the trial judge found that with respect to the 1998 crop, "none of the suggested sources [proposed by Schmeiser] could reasonably explain the concentration or extent of Roundup Ready canola of a commercial quality" ultimately present in Schmeiser's 1998 crop.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc_v_Schmeiser
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)I grieve.
Botany
(70,614 posts).... then the supposed damage done by round up.
Archae
(46,359 posts)"You just gotta BELIEVE!"
Especially when two of the "researchers" are shown to be absolute idiots.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)U.S. lawsuits build against Monsanto over alleged Roundup cancer link
Personal injury law firms around the United States are lining up plaintiffs for what they say could be "mass tort" actions against agrichemical giant Monsanto Co that claim the company's Roundup herbicide has caused cancer in farm workers and others exposed to the chemical.
The latest lawsuit was filed Wednesday in Delaware Superior Court by three law firms representing three plaintiffs.
The lawsuit is similar to others filed last month in New York and California accusing Monsanto of long knowing that the main ingredient in Roundup, glyphosate, was hazardous to human health. Monsanto "led a prolonged campaign of misinformation to convince government agencies, farmers and the general population that Roundup was safe," the lawsuit states.
The litigation follows the World Health Organization's declaration in March that there was sufficient evidence to classify glyphosate as "probably carcinogenic to humans."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-monsanto-lawsuits-idUSKCN0S92H720151015
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Kinda hard to claim glyphosate causes cancer when the EPA says it doesn't so the lawsuits you keep touting have about as much chance as a fart in a tornado. When those sure losers lose, I'm sure you're going to announce that information, right?
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Looks like the EPA might be changing their mind. The Corporations are really upset the report came down and are pressuring Congress.
The EPA took down the report and other documents on Monday afternoon, saying it did so "because our assessment is not final," in an emailed statement to Reuters. The agency said the documents were "preliminary" and that they were published "inadvertently."
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The EPA will officially publish the report after the peer review process which is now going on. When that happens you will conveniently ignore it just like you do with the WHO, the EFSA, and every other competent authority on the subject in favor of bullshit from your favorite loony sources.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)There are valid criticisms of Mansanto, but trying to take advantage of the grief of individuals and families who are experiencing natural events that come with aging is disgustingly cynical.
Warpy
(111,383 posts)womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)It just means more doctors are diagnosing, some might even say overdiagnosing, the condition.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Do you have any sense of decency?
We already know you have no sense of humor.
Response to womanofthehills (Reply #63)
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Warpy
(111,383 posts)and includes people formerly called nerds or oddballs or whatever the approved word for having an extremely limited ability to learn is today.
By the way, autism is neither Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, nor ALS. Just thought you ought to know.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:55 PM - Edit history (1)
"The article cites a number of ways that this affects humans and other organisms. According to the study, the consequences of this action can lead to impaired fatty acid release leading to obesity, impaired insulin receptor response leading to diabetes, impaired one-carbon metabolism leading to neural tube defects and autism, impaired cell cycle control during DNA synthesis, and disregulated ..."
So, "just thought you ought to know."
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Quoting it to support some notion or another is not helping anyone.
You can find the reality about the content of this ludicrous OP here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090
RapSoDee
(421 posts)when the corporate trolls were given instruction to flood the internet to try and distract people from paying attention to the ugly diseases caused by the chemicals.
It's a pretty skeezy technique, any fair-minded person would instantly agree.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)It totally freaks me out.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Archae
(46,359 posts)This "toss Roundup around like water" is propaganda from the anti-GMO loons like the Food Babe.
MAYBE...
In really backwater third-world countries, they misuse Roundup, the same way they misuse just about anything.
In India, some grain that was intended for ONLY being planted was used for food instead, and many died and were sickened.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)jmowreader
(50,567 posts)Licensed applicators can get it, but gardeners cannot.
War story follows: Home Depot at least used to sell gallon jugs of Roundup Pro. They still might, but the only reason I go to that part of Home Depot anymore is it's where they stock the green scouring pads I clean my plate processors with. You're SUPPOSED to dilute the living shit out of Roundup Pro; the ag mix rate is 22 ounces Roundup Pro to 10 gallons of water, which is enough to spray an acre of field. So...in comes a customer who bought four gallons of Roundup Pro. Okay, no real problem; we were cheaper than a farm supply store so quite a few farmers were buying it from us. Uh-uh, not this maniac: This fucking guy sprayed it at full strength and wound up killing all the trees in his yard. And then he comes to see ME - me, who's never seen him before in either of our lives because I sold lumber - to scream about how we sold him the most dangerous thing in the entire world.
"Yes sir. Could I ask how you used the product, please?"
'I poured it into my spray bottle and sprayed it on my weeds.'
"Directly out of the jug?"
'Yeah. How the hell are you supposed to use this?'
"You put a tablespoon of Roundup in a quart of water. At most. Lots of people use a third of that and still kill all the weeds they want. This is super strong farmer Roundup."
We very quickly learned to put the farmer Roundup in a place the customers couldn't get to, and to qualify the customers who thought they wanted it.
The other problem with Roundup in the hands of an amateur gardener is the way they tend to use it. Roundup is a post-emergence herbicide - which means it must be sprayed on plants that have come through the soil. There are pre-emergence herbicides you can spray on the ground to keep weeds from coming up in the first place. I've had customers spray Roundup pre-emergence. Pre-emergence Roundup doesn't work at all, but that doesn't stop people.
There are things homeowners should not have, and Roundup is REAL high on the list.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If we banned the sale of household chemicals because some people are too stupid to use them, you wouldn't be able to buy white vinegar at the grocery store.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)it must be ok. Some people put Roundup on their lawn and then let their toddlers walk on it. Roundup gets tracked into the house on peoples shoes contaminating their rugs. Then, the poor kids and dog play on the rug getting a nice dose of Roundup. Many pesticides degrade very slowly without heat or sun.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Where do you even come up with this nonsense?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...especially in the "upscale" suburbs with manicured lawns.
https://www.youtube.com/user/roundupbrand
Google: "RoundUp for your yard".... and be amazed.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If someone sprayed Roundup on their lawn, it wouldn't be manicured.
Google: "How does the herbicide Roundup work?".... and be amazed.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)It's a lot more entertaining than what most of us actually do, with just using a crabgrass preventer with the first spring fertilizer application, taking care of any emergent weeds with a whacker, and maybe using a spray herbicide on the ones growing in the cracks of the sidewalks and driveways.
Bonus points for the idea that a lawn with hideous dead patches in it is considered "manicured."
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)As to your question "What type of moron puts Roundup on their lawns?" I bet most of the people at the Republican Convention do.
"To keep Bermudagrass out of your non-Bermudagrass lawn, mow your grass higher than 11/2 inches. Water your grass regularly and spot-treat any patches of Bermudagrass with Roundup® Ready-To-Use Weed & Grass Killer III in the Pump 'N Go® Sprayer. You'll have to reseed, of course. For more information, read How and where do I apply Roundup® brand products? Also, it's a good idea to fertilize your lawn in the fall to help your grass compete in the spring. "
http://www.roundup.com/smg/goART3/Howto/bermudagrass-control/27800031
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Which is why most people don't use it for that, but...
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)...out of a mortal fear it probably is carcinogenic isn't carcinogenic because the IARC classified it. Meanwhile they readily admit to drinking beverage alcohol which the IARC has said is definitely carcinogenic which isn't disputable. I guess chemophobia has to take a back seat to the desire to get a good wine buzz. Funny how that works.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)She's up in the middle of the night, much of the time. She may not be a shift worker, but she sure treats her sleep schedule as if she were one.
https://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Publications/techrep42/TR42-20.pdf
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The IARC specifically rejected Seralini's study in the very same monograph where they classified glyphosate, yet somehow it's still the gold standard of evidence.
Very telling how they pick and choose their information, even when it comes from the exact same place.
Squinch
(51,053 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If someone put roundup on their lawn, they would not have a lawn.
Squinch
(51,053 posts)"it's not a clip it's a magazine" argument. Just as ridiculous.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)They were specifically panicking over people putting glyphosate on their "lawn" where it might be tracked into the home and subsequently give them cancer (even though it can't). The part you got right is it is ridiculous. Are you actually supporting this nonsense?
Squinch
(51,053 posts)that suggests that roundup might be problematic, that you don't support this.
Yes. We know you don't support it. You don't even like people to mention it. Any opposition to roundup makes you very, very jumpy.
Roundup is a poison. You can tell yourself whatever you want.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Let's see all your posts where you fight the good fight against other poisons, such as those used on organic crops.
Thanks!
Squinch
(51,053 posts)fighting against anyone who mentions that obvious fact.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)In other words, you aren't really against poisons. You just like popular silliness. Thanks for the clarification.
In the meantime, I'll note that you are possibly helping to bring back more toxic products. Awesome job, there!
http://www.crediblehulk.org/index.php/2015/06/02/about-those-more-caustic-herbicides-that-glyphosate-helped-replace-by-credible-hulk/
PS: https://camiryan.com/2014/03/05/the-dose-makes-the-poison/
Again, do you support the pseudoscience claims made in the OP?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Actually less so since both of those things are more toxic than roundup.
http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2014/06/salt-vinegar-and-glyphosate/
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)There are also people who show up every time in the anti-vax threads to denouce that bullshit as well. I get that you think bullshit should be spread unfettered around here, but not everyone shares that thought.
Calling something "poison" without reference to dose is utterly meaningless and simply demonstrates ignorance. Water is "poison" in the right dose.
"The likelihood that a person uses the word "toxin" correlates strongly with how much Chemistry the person does *not* know."
-- Neil deGrasse Tyson
Squinch
(51,053 posts)If you see that as "a passionate desire" or a feeling that "bullshit should be spread unfettered" have at it.
You kids sure are hysterical about the fact that someone said that Roundup is a poison that is damaging people.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)For further reading see...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemophobia
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)and is actually less likely to kill you than actual water, so it has that going for it, which is nice.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)MFM008
(19,823 posts)store that would sell Roundup.
He hides it, tells people not to buy it and his store is phasing it out
soon anyway.
Kills everything including birds and bees, butterflies.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)MFM008
(19,823 posts)Store. Don't want to say.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:46 AM - Edit history (1)
Got it.
PS: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090
RapSoDee
(421 posts)Or do you have some other quickie, Republican-style excuse for wanting to target him?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Perhaps you should be careful about how you disparage people while you promote pseudoscientific nonsense.
RapSoDee
(421 posts)Sigh.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)BTW, your sock is missing an eye. The glue didn't hold.
RapSoDee
(421 posts)Looks like your pink string nose fell off, too.
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)I can't even stand the smell walking by it in the store.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Seriously, where are these alt-reality people getting their information?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)It wasn't all that believable the first time and it's less so now.
Just sayin'
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)anti-glyphosate crusader.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)A computer scientist said it so it must be twue!
jmowreader
(50,567 posts)Everyone knows if a case of Roundup falls out of the 10-foot level of the racking and conks you in the melon, you'll get a concussion. And doesn't everything cause autism?
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Why do you pretend otherwise? It's not ethical.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4538578/
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)While that conclusion supports recent regulatory decisions in the EU and elsewhere, it could be interpreted as contradicting an earlier report from the WHOs International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) in March 2015, which concluded that glyphosate is probably carcinogenic to humans. However, a WHO explainer says the two reports are different, yet complementary. It clarifies that the IARC reviews published studies to identify potential cancer hazards and does not estimate the level of risk to the population associated with exposure to the hazard, while the new reports authors reviewed both published and unpublished studies to assess the level of health risk to consumers associated with dietary exposure to pesticide residues in food.
Julie Goodman, an epidemiologist, toxicologist and consultant to the Industry Taskforce on 2,4-D Research Data, says the new UNWHO report makes sense. What the IARC is doing is looking at harm using any possible theoretical situation, she notes. While there is value to knowing the hazard of a substance, it is not the complete picture you need hazard and exposure to determine whether or not there is a cancer risk.
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2016/05/un-who-glyphosate-herbicide-cancer-risk
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)Another faction of WHO (not cancer research) whose trustees are from Monsanto, Dupont, etc made the "new" or "other" report you are writing about.
"The JMPRs analysis may have significant impacts to those with a financial interest in selling glyphosate-based products, thus we are very concerned that several members of the task force who may have conflicts of interest," said Lori Ann Burd, Environmental Health Director at the Center for Biological Diversity.
Time and time again we have seen corporate interests influence major decisions affecting the health of consumers and the environment," Wenonah Hauter, executive director of Food & Water Watch, said. "We will not stand by and watch WHO-IARCs conclusion on glyphosate become watered down due to the presence of task force members tied to major biotech firms. Farmers, farmworkers and communities who live and work near farms sprayed with glyphosate are depending on a rigorous, independent review of this chemical and the WHO must provide it.
http://www.ecowatch.com/un-says-glyphosate-unlikely-to-cause-cancer-industry-ties-to-report-ca-1891132192.html
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)and everywhere else. Great info. Much appreciated.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Why do you think it's ok to promote bogus nonsense like you did in the OP?
This crap has been debunked, over and over again. Posting it is not ethical, in any way, shape, or form.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4538578/
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Which includes respectable scientists and journalists, unlike your favorite sources, the WHO, the EPA, the EFSA, and other DUers.
Once again you are just flat wrong as usual. The JMPR's function IS "cancer research", specifically research on the risk of cancer. The IARC's job is not to determine cancer risk. If the IARC was the end-all authority on cancer risk, as you pretend, then why do you still consume beverage alcohol which the IARC has deemed definitely carcinogenic? Kinda funny how you are panicking over glyosphate residue on your rugs, which every governmental entity including the EPA, WHO, and EFSA has said is not a cancer risk, while you pour something that definitely is a cancer risk down your gullet.
Meanwhile the so-called "U.S. Right to Know" is a front group for the batshit crazy OCA that also claims vaccines cause autism (one of your other favorite subjects), 9/11 was an inside job, along with other batshit crazy loony nonsense.
RapSoDee
(421 posts)The stats are sobering. But what's even more damning is when you visit your neighbor farmers across the Heartland, and see how many of the older ones have had their health totally corrupted by these poisons.
Squinch
(51,053 posts)by those who hysterically defend this product and who feel the need to Gish gallop everyone who points out that it is harmful?
I noticed that.
RapSoDee
(421 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Oh, and how one poster or another tries to pull it, now and then? Yup.
Why would anyone bother responding to it? Especially the poster is supposedly new to DU but acts as if he has been here for years.
Hmm.
You do realize that the OP is a classic Gish Gallop. It has been debunked. You don't know how to use logic, so don't bother trying. Seriously.
Ethics matter.
Squinch
(51,053 posts)killing themselves to tell us that Roundup is harmless.
It's funny, actually, in a sad sort of way.
Archae
(46,359 posts)We do not say "Roundup is harmless," you simply made that up.
Even water is harmful in large quantities.
(Yes, people have died from drinking too much water.)
Roundup, used AS INSTRUCTED, is not harmless, but it's not going to cause cancer and autism and Parkinson's.
Now, you want ACTUAL harm?
How about these links from the premier anti-Monsanto group:
http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/catastrophic-birth-defects-in-brazil-may-be-caused-by-glyphosate-not-zika-virus-study/
http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/the-truth-about-vaccines-facts-to-know-before-innoculating-your-child/
http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/colombian-doctor-exposes-grave-risks-associated-with-hpv-vaccine/
http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/8-reasons-why-these-doctors-decided-to-stop-vaccinating-their-patients/
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The lack of ethics is astounding.
Archae
(46,359 posts)The "organic" suckers just go along with their gurus.
Squinch
(51,053 posts)You know it and I know it.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You still haven't answered if you support the pseudoscience of Samsel and Seneff. I wonder why that might be.
Squinch
(51,053 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And it shows that you can't discuss the matter in an adult manner.
PS:
https://camiryan.com/2014/03/05/the-dose-makes-the-poison/
Archae
(46,359 posts)And this is what organic producers use.
Archae
(46,359 posts)It causes brain damage, birth defects, even death.
In excessive quantities.
So it should be banned! Right?
The links are from March Against Monsanto, the loudest and most militant anti-GMO and anti-Roundup group.
Face the facts.
MAM is an actual shill. Not your imaginary creation.
They shill for the multi-BILLION dollar organic associations, who are threatened by GMO crops.
"Organic" producers like being able to charge 2, 3, even 4 times what non-organic producers charge.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The guy actually promotes colloidal silver.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4738829
Archae
(46,359 posts)DU has it's own versions of creationists like Ken Ham.
"You just gotta BELIEVE!"
Squinch
(51,053 posts)conflated anti-vax, use of silver for a sinus infection (have you ever heard of Silvadene? Same idea, very good clinical results), and organic something with statements that Roundup is harmful to people.
None of those things has anything to do with the fact that Roundup is a poison that is damaging people. The hysterical nature of your arguments against this, into which you are throwing everything you can think of, shows that you are fully aware of the truth of that statement.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:53 PM - Edit history (1)
You appear to be supporting all sorts of pseudoscience, and you fail to discuss the issue in any manner that matters. You also failed to be honest, as you now conflate your statement about using colloidal silver to treat sinus infections with Silvadene, which is only, possibly, helpful topically to prevent infection. It's not going to help sinus infections in any way.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/hi-ho-silver/
All you appear to be able to do is obfuscate and chant. That's not ethical.
Squinch
(51,053 posts)you know is true.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You have supported colloidal silver.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061
Do you, or do you not support the pseudoscience promoted by this OP?
If you can't or won't answer, we will have to assume that you do, considering your repeated mantra posts.
Squinch
(51,053 posts)people. Why do you feel the need to keep changing the subject?
And yes, I use colloidal silver on sinus infections. I find that for me it dependably clears up even nasty ones in a day or two. If you feel that is "supporting colloidal silver" then have at it.
But that has nothing to do with the fact that Roundup is a poison that is harming people.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Thus, you have changed the topic and decided that you can only discuss it in a vacuum, which allows you to live in a fictional world.
Also, thus far, you have shown yourself to be incapable of understanding what the term poison even means. You have utilized the shill gambit, for Pete's sake.
Thank you for the confession.
I will assume that you believe the Samsel and Seneff nonsense. That's not ok. It's not ethical. And it has been debunked.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090
Squinch
(51,053 posts)seem to have been rendered insensible, as usual, by the fact that someone pointed out that this is true, and that you obviously are fully aware it is true.
We could keep going around and around, with you changing the subject to anything else, and doing your best to distract from the fact that you obviously know that Roundup is a poison that is damaging people. But your hysteria is very tiresome.
So I will leave you all to your teeth-gnashing against anyone who points out the obvious fact that Roundup is a poison that is damaging to people.
I do, however, admire your stamina in proving your loyalty to this poison that is damaging to people.
Have a lovely day!
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And thus you believe in debunked pseudoscience silliness.
Got it. Thank you for the confession.
You refuse to discuss anything. You just repeat your silly mantra, even though you don't have any idea what you are ranting about. That's the reason we are going round and round. You can't be honest, and you can't discuss the issues at hand, and that's simply ludicrous. Childishly repeating a mantra shows nothing but pure ignorance.
PS: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Deal with it.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)One is quackery and the other isn't. You specifically mentioned Colloidal Silver, not Silvadene.
The idea that glyphosate is "damaging people" is simply nonsense, and your propensity to believe in other nonsense like Colloidal Silver is very telling.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Nice, unethical personal attack, by the way.
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/logical-fallacies/shill-gambit-logical-fallacies/
womanofthehills
(8,784 posts)They've found that people who are sick have higher levels of glyphosate in their bodies than healthy people.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Do you have any sense of decency?