I have a painful tooth that must come out (plea for help)

[TorchTheWitch]

For several weeks now I've had a rotting tooth causing me a lot of pain, but I've been out of work since the beginning of March, and I've used up what little I've been able to save for all these months of temp work. I'm down to my last $20 and last roll of toilet paper. I haven't been able to pay my landlord for four weeks now. Worse, the one temp agency where I'd been getting jobs since November hasn't had a damn thing for me. Of the eight of them I'm signed on with, they're one of two that has even been trying. Last week they had a job for me (another low pay idiot job, but so what) but they wouldn't give it to me because of this tooth. They won't give me ANY work until it comes out and I can give them a doctor's note that all is well.

The first thing I did when I finally figured out this pain was a tooth (it had been root canaled many years ago, and until recently I've not had any pain in or around the tooth) was call on the dental school in the city. This tooth has been a mess for a long time, and with most of it broken off and rotting away below the gum line they won't have a student do it. They'll do the work, but a regular oral surgeon will do it, and they want a lot more money than the private oral surgeon near me who pulled the last of my teeth for my upper denture. Even finding this out took over two weeks.

This has been a problem tooth for a very long time, and I've known for a few years that it isn't likely to come out in one piece which makes me scared to death of getting a dry socket. I've had that twice before in the distant past and NEVER want to go through that agony again. It's a possibility though. The gum has receded so much around that tooth I don't even think they could put in a stitch. But if there's still infection they won't anyway.

I've been on antibiotics for almost two weeks now, but they don't seem to be doing much of anything, and now my cheek is a little swollen in the area of this tooth. The antibiotics are also making a mess of my whole digestive tract.

My regular oral surgeon will do it ASAP as an emergency visit, but I HAVE to pay him first, and there just isn't any way other than begging for help to scrape up the money. It will cost at least $400 or $450 to get it out, and I don't know what else they might charge like for x-rays or whatever.

I so desperately need work and had hoped that any day I'd get something from one of these agencies but there's been NOTHING. They've sent me on a few interviews, but nothing ever came of them (these days you have to compete with their other temp workers and interview for temp jobs).

Please, please, if anyone can donate for me to get this damn tooth out and a little something for more antibiotics (I have only two days left of them, but I can get a refill) and some toilet paper, more Advil, gas for the car or whatever until I get money coming in again I will be so grateful. I've put off asking for help hoping a job would materialize, but it hasn't, and now the pain is so bad I don't think I could even fake my way through one. And now the only agency I've been getting any work from at all for months won't even talk to me until this tooth comes out and I'm "fit to work" again. Yoshi also has food for about 2 or 3 weeks and I have a little food stamp money left though it never gets me through the whole month.

I think my old gofundme account still works...

https://www.gofundme.com/slumlord-escape

And my paypal is:

[email protected]

Btw, my internet is shit since we switched to Xfinity, so I hope I'll still be able to get back in here. It's not been too bad the last few days since the wind has calmed down. Still, sometimes I just can't stay connected or it times out trying to get anywhere.

After all these weeks and weeks of nothing a job just HAS to come up soon for me!

Thank you a million times for any help anyone can offer!

[stage left]

1. I'm so sorry.

I know exactly how horrible tooth pain can be. It's hell. I'm donating via paypal Sorry I can't do more.

[Petrushka]

234. Sad! If you read down through the replies below, you'll find . . .

. . . a link to one of her posts a year ago wherein she mentions her
"dentures" (plural) and refers to those dentures as "them" (plural).

This year, she's in pain with a bad tooth and in need of donations to pay
for an oral surgeon, etc.; and I'm wondering how painful it must be to
have a false tooth go bad.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026748167#post21

[Skittles]

3. who are you to judge?

[Milestone]

7. A longtime reader of DU

Is who I am. This isn't the first time this person has come here with a long winded story about needing money. The last time it was a looming eviction and that whole story came apart at the seams.

I won't judge you if you choose to donate, but I'll certainly judge TTW begging again based on past performance.

[Skittles]

8. you do not know her

and trashing a DUer when you're a two-digit poster is fucked

*DONE HERE*

[wain]

20. Oh, come on now

You can make a better argument than throw your weight around (look at me, a six-digit poster), as if the number of posts makes you superior to the "little" posters.

[Demonaut]

29. it's more than three digits...just sayin

[pintobean]

33. It's more than 4 and 5, too

The hidden post above probably doesn't get hidden if it was a 4 or 5 digit member. That kinda sucks.

[Chan790]

140. It's entirely possible to get to 5-digits and be a malingering asshole the entire time.

Low-digit posters don't have a monopoly on being utter irredeemable shitheads.

I'd have voted to hide it, regardless of post-count. It was a shitty thing to say and a clear ToS violation as a call-out.

[pintobean]

141. It's not a TOS violation,

it's a matter of community standards. As for 5 digit assholes, we have plenty. That was my point. Look at the rest of this thread and the mocking thread.

[silvershadow]

51. Just block this "longtime reader", like I did. nt

[Egnever]

18. Seriously? After the crap she pulled last time with misanthrope?

That's where you are going to go with this?

Maybe you forgot the lengths misanthrope went to to try to help this person only to be harassed and threatened by this con artist?

You are pointing the finger in the wrong direction IMHO.

Helping people in need is one thing but this person has been lying to DU for quite some time now.

[obamanut2012]

65. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

108. What happened ?

This is the way I see it. Whatever is going on in the OP's life she seems to be in distress. Asking for money is never fun. I have been there.

[1StrongBlackMan]

110. I must have missed the Misanthrope to do.

[Hekate]

120. Misanthrope and her husband stepped up and tried to rescue the dog and help TTW in person

I am looking for the thread in my bookmarks from last August because it was so horrible -- and I mean it was horrible for Mr and Mrs Misanthrope, who actually have very good hearts. If I find it I will post the link, but this is a long saga. There have been many posts, many threads, many people trying to help someone whose motives are opaque.

BEWARE.

[1StrongBlackMan]

128. Okay ... I vaguely remember this. ...

It's a shame the this is happening.

[bettyellen]

212. she was not honest with Misanthrope about how hostile and dangerous the dog was.....

even though she had been boasting about it on DU previously. TTW was not in good shape herself, and really should have been focusing on getting herself sorted first.
They could not handle the dog and had to put it in a temp shelter, and TTW threatened them over it- insisted it was a plot to take the dog away. Crazy shit.

[Texasgal]

214. I agree.. she was not honest.

I think this pile on is crazy though, Misanthrope and her ex-hubby were amazing and thoughtful however.

It's sad that she has come back to DU for help. I hope she get's what she needs.

[AtheistCrusader]

216. What she needs, DU cannot supply.

It is simply beyond this community's ability to help without getting burned.

If you think we have failed in our analysis, go ahead. Go help her in person. See how that ends up.

[Texasgal]

219. I simply said I hope

she gets the help that she needs.

For you to morph this into something else is ridiculous.

READ my posts and stop putting words in mouth.

[AtheistCrusader]

221. You and I were also discussing this downthread.

My response was informed by that content as well, not just this thread fork.

[bettyellen]

223. It's just frustration that she is still not ready to get the real help she needs.

[AtheistCrusader]

224. +1 this is a big part of it, yes

[Dorian Gray]

237. I am on the side

of DU not giving her money. Having said that, there is a pile on that amounts to basic bullying that is bothersome.

While I have no proof of this, I suspect that she has some mental issues that nobody here is adept at helping her with.

I think her posts asking for money should simply be removed. And the posts created to mock her or demand information from her should be closed down.

[AtheistCrusader]

243. This is less about piling on with

'You suck get out' and more 'holy shit guys, watch out' so more people don't get suckered in.

You have a point on the tone, but then again, some people got burned pretty bad and I can see them being angry.

[pintobean]

244. Actually, I think people are gleefully piling on.

Take you for example. Did you really need fifteen posts to make your feelings known?

We haven't had a good witch burning since meta was closed.

[AtheistCrusader]

246. I stand by every single post I made.

I didn't know we were keeping score. I could have done much better.

[Dorian Gray]

313. Yeah

I saw the last big request go down. I've donated to people in the past on DU, but I never felt comfortable with this situation. It was the constant excuses (or the plain ignoring of advice) that made me leery.

I hope Torch The Witch finds the stability she needs so she can stop asking for help on DU (or other websites). And I appreciate the posts that lay out what happened last time. I don't like the mocking, though.

[malaise]

178. Thanks Hekate

Didn't know

[malaise]

6. And you know this with 36 posts?

You must be a product of reincarnation

[Buzz Clik]

16. Yeah... and about that:

http://www.discussionist.com/1016182675

[malaise]

17. Thanks

Ah well.

[2naSalit]

124. Medicaid is for poor people and it covers everything including dental care

for free. I have it and it covers everything. So I wonder why this individual has not applied for it and does not have coverage. And a social services facility would/should have informed this person of the benefits and advised them to apply.

Smells fishy to me, especially after all that ugly hoopla last year.

[dflprincess]

182. In some areas it can be difficult to find a dentist who will accept Medicaid

as it reimburses them at barely a break even point.

At least this is true in the Minneapolis area and some of the dentists who do take it will want up front payment for what Medicaid doesn't cover. My nephew needed his (impacted) wisdom teeth pulled and while Medicaid would cover most of it, it wouldn't cover him being put under for the procedure. Given nephew's anxiety issues there was no way he could deal with this awake and those teeth had to come out. Thankfully, I could make up the difference.

I know of one dentist who does do a lot of probono work but had to limit the number of Medicaid patients he takes because he does need to at least break even.

[Chuuku Davis]

336. Medicaid here

Only covers dental for those under 18 yo

[Drahthaardogs]

94. You do realize that post count is not an accurate measure of length of time at DU, right?

I have moved several times overseas and had to start new accounts. I was here when Kephra died, Andy was slandered, and greywarrior's duck was taped and bound.

To that end, the OP has a history of rejecting help when offered and has worn out a fair amount of hospitality at DU.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

102. I have roughly the same story and I've been here since just after Andy passed and...

...I remember when the duck got taped.

[pintobean]

104. Roughly.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

256. Well, why not attempt to smoothe it out for everyone here on DU as to what...

...you think my story really is?

I await your response, with great interest...

[Drahthaardogs]

122. Other things that come to mind are

the DU panic room set up on yahoo and joy followed by pain when exit polls show Shrub lost his re-election bid only to have it yanked from us.

I also miss Swampy's artwork...

[doc03]

4. I feel your pain. I worked with a guy that was scared to death of doctors

and had a bad tooth. He actually wiggled it back and forth for a whole week until he was able to pull It with his fingers.
There was a bar near me where the bartender would pull your tooth for free, he had a whole jar of teeth on the bar that he had pulled.

[scscholar]

5. It's sad how dentists...

always put profit above people.

[Demit]

10. You don't believe dentists should get paid for the work they do?

I doubt that, whatever it is that you do for a living, you think of your paycheck as 'profit'.

[AlbertCat]

13. It's sad how dentists... always put profit above people.

Always?

Where the hell do you live? And you must have had a string of lousy dentists.

So let your jaw abscess next time.
I mean c'mon. I'm sure some dentists charge too much, but really "always put profit above people."

My father was a surgeon and at some cocktail party this rich guy was complaining how much his appendectomy cost. My father said "Well, you could have just let it burst."

Of course going to the dentist or doctor is usually not an enjoyable experience ...so of course you don't want to pay for it. But the alternative is usually worse.

Healthcare should be expensive, y'know, because it requires specialists who train a lot, top of the line and up to date equipment and a lot of preparation and special circumstances. That's exactly why it should be single payer. Like a highway or a bridge or the electric grid, it's too much for the individual and needs collective funding and implementation.

[malaise]

15. I went for my regular cleaning earlier this week

We've been going to this dentist for decades. He has spent a small fortune on keeping his equipment up to date. He is by no means wealthy and like many dentists, he does a lot of free work.

[a kennedy]

22. I hear ya....I'm thinking about taking out a car loan (low interest rate) to pay

for a three tooth bridge. I do have an appointment with a dentist who only does implants so we'll see how much one implant costs as to a 4,000 bridge. I just don't understand why it costs so much.

[AtheistCrusader]

35. Try making an implant by hand, yourself.

Then you'll understand why it costs so much.

[hfojvt]

50. perhaps this

https://www.deltadental.com/Public/index.jsp

if it is in your area and it is not a pre-existing condition. I get that from my job and it has saved me a fair amount of money over the years, although it has not saved my teeth.

[Nevernose]

285. Use that car to drive to Los Algodones

If possible, anyway. I've had dental work done in Tijuana that was disastrous, but I'd recommend Los Algonodes to everyone. Affordable, clean, and safe.

[hfojvt]

49. not always

one dentist I knew (he's retired now) went down to a free dental clinic once a year in Wichita.

for example http://legacy.9news.com/story/news/health/2014/10/02/free-dental-care-for-adults-children-this-weekend/16605239/

[ronnie624]

81. Healthcare isn't considered a right.

Dentists can't bear responsibility for that. We all share in the blame.

[LanternWaste]

262. I'm guessing the 'scholar' bit in your nom de plume is intended as irony, yes?

I'm guessing the 'scholar' bit in your nom de plume is intended as irony, yes?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

266. *rrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiP! snnnnnniiiiifffffffffff!*

[LuvLoogie]

11. Get some Anbesol, some good booze, and a lance.

Get as much cleared out with floss and over the counter dental picks. Are you eligible for medicaid?

The swelling could be that your tooth is becoming abscessed. Maybe you can lance it yourself and drain the puss.

I feel for you. That's some of the worst pain.

[polly7]

12. Hi, TTW.

I hope you get the help you need, dental pain is terrible.

[tikka]

14. Why is dental care always left out of talk about single payer nt

[MoonRiver]

19. How is Yoshi?

[TorchTheWitch]

36. Yoshi is good

I can still feed him for a couple of weeks or so, and as long as I go pretty slow I can still do his usual walks every day. It's been a horrible horrible year. And now this.

God help me, I can't take any more.

[AtheistCrusader]

38. The dog doesn't deserve to be kept in this situation.

People tried to help you and the dog, and you viciously attacked them. You obviously can't care for yourself, let alone the dog.

There are options to find the dog a good home. I trust you'll use those options this time. (Of course you won't.)

You also owe some people an apology. Not that you'll do it.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

40. You'll be alerted for not believing this time. nt

[obamanut2012]

66. exactly

The comments about her poor dog only having food for two more weeks is a "tell."

[Hekate]

123. I bookmarked that saga from last August. It's on the record.

[Texasgal]

21. I'm so sorry you are having dental pain..

It's the absolute worst.

I hope you get the help you need.

[TorchTheWitch]

37. thank you

I wish it would just hurry up and kill me already.

[kskiska]

23. Recent Salon article: We can't keep pretending dental work is cosmetic.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/30/health_care_has_a_cavity_theres_no_good_reason_our_teeth_arent_covered_partner/

[pnwmom]

155. Yeah, but Medicaid does cover extractions. n/t

[LeftyMom]

24. In March you said you'd lost work because your wifi was crap, now it's your teeth?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/109516864

If people want to give you money that's their problem, but this story is as internally consistent as the last one.

[cwydro]

58. Yep.

Amazed to see this being run again. Smh.

[Liberal_in_LA]

25. Kick

[LeftyMom]

26. Free dental near you:

http://dentallifeline.org/pennsylvania/

http://www.phila.gov/health/services/Serv_DentalCare.html

http://www.phila.gov/health/services/Serv_MedicalCare.html

http://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/pennsylvania_free_dental_clini.html

http://www.freedentalcare.us/ci/pa-philadelphia

FWIW, I found all of that in less time than it took you to start a thread on DU, using an exciting new technology called Google. But I'm sure there's going to be a reason literally none of the eleventy billion free or sliding scale options in a very large city will work and DUers absolutely must send you money. Again.

[pnwmom]

28. I am also skeptical, given the history. And it's hard to understand

why the dental school wouldn't allow students to perform this procedure under the supervision of a dentist, as they do with everything else. How are students to learn to carry out difficult extractions if the school doesn't allow them to even try?

[obamanut2012]

67. They would - I have had intensive surgery done at a dental school

By dental students and prospective oral surgeons.

And, she lives in Philly, which has a host of dental schools and dental clinics.

[dflprincess]

184. While I am also skeptical of this, who does the work at the dental school may depend on what needs

to be done and what kind of drugs are involved.

Years ago I had my wisdom teeth taken out at the U of Minn's dental school. Because I wanted general anesthesia one of the oral surgery residents had to do the work, not a student (which is why, if you read my post above, I was willing to help my nephew with his wisdom teeth - no way was I going to be awake while 4 impacted teeth were dug out and I could empathize with him).

I did see students when it was simple procedure like a filing.

[pnwmom]

203. Well, this was one tooth and it wasn't an impacted wisdom tooth.

I've never had a general for dental work, even for taking out wisdom teeth. But since hers is just a regular tooth, and she didn't mention general anesthesia, I doubt this was the issue.

[cwydro]

59. It's amazing, isn't it?

After that last appeal for money and then threatening criminal charges against those who helped.

You can't make this stuff up.

[Hekate]

127. +100000

It's always "Send cash."

[basselope]

27. Where are u located?

There are some dentists who will do this work for free.

[sorefeet]

30. Dentist do a lot of discount work

It finally came down to, I have to get dentures. A friend told me about his dentist buddy from A.A. I got an estimate and gave him my true sob story. He pulled 22 teeth and gave me two root canals for $1000.00. I put the new dentures on an interest free credit card.
This guy might have saved my life as I had 6 abscessed teeth. Pain and headaches everyday for at least a year.

[Jim Beard]

47. Seems like I had dental pain all the time

When they started, I had very little money and they charged $90 a tooth for extraction. Managed to do that for a while as that would make me feel better for a while. It has been tough paying out all that money. I should have had them pulled all at once.

I would have saved a lot of money. I spent a fortune on crown, bridges & double bridges.

After this SOB dentist soaked me for all the above mentioned, he tried to charge me $2,100 for a lower plate. I said screw you and went to one of those discount place's and got them for $800 and a few months later I replaced the top plate that the asshole dentist made for $1500, for $500. I am eating corn on the cob and couldn't feel better.

There are some problems with the discount places but stay on them to make it right. After all, it IS money!

[womanofthehills]

114. Just had a tooth pulled by a top Dental Surgeon in my area because he was putting in an implant

$200 including x-rays for pulling the tooth. My regular dentist charges $100 to pull a tooth. Regular dentists pulls teeth that have broken - you do not need a dental surgeon for that.

[moonscape]

326. Plus, pulling a root-canaled tooth that is

rotten, is very simple. It comes right out ...

No way it would cost $400-500 if you shop around for 5 minutes.

[7wo7rees]

31. Oh for F's. Sake!

7wo7rees is really sick. We have to find 3000k. I have no idea how we are going to fix this. I considered coming to DU and just had too much pride. There are so many others out there needing help.

And now this.

Torch tore this community apart last year.

So now we are being set up again.

Honestly?

Ms. 7wo7rees

Sorry.

[7wo7rees]

187. I rest my case. Here she is again ripping up this pretty amazing

community.

A long time ago anyone wanting or needing aid had to get permission and I think it was for a short period of time.

And now we are almost at 200 responses. TTW has done it again

Oh and by the way, where is she now?

[Brother Buzz]

191. She's trying to watch Game of Thrones 6.2 online with a crappy internet router

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=862614

[7wo7rees]

32. Where is your dog, Yoshi, right?

Sorry, at the end of your post you made a plea for him.

Sorry lots for both of you.

[TorchTheWitch]

39. He's right here

I didn't make a plea for him. He has food for the next few weeks, and I've been managing to walk him 3 times a day like usual though I have to go rather slow now because of the pain and stomach problems from the antibiotics. The last time I made a plea for him he was stolen from me along with his toys and a brand new bag of food - even his leash. I think about that horror every single day and always will. I also think about how it was a kind DUer that paid for that bag of food that was stolen.

As long as he can eat and get his walks he's very happy here. I think he likes it better here than where we were before... someone is usually always around so he isn't alone, a lot more people pet and play with him than just me, the crazy druggies aren't next door anymore, and there's actual grass here that he can lounge and roll around on.

I just need this tooth out and a job. I don't even care if it's another temp low pay idiot job like I've had for nearly a year now, but SOMETHING. Why I continually get the shit beat out of me here I don't know nor do I know why it hurts so damn much.

The tenant who has the router in his room just came home so I'm probably going to lose the connection again.

[obamanut2012]

68. "The last time I made a plea for him he was stolen from me"

Seriously? Why is this allowed on here?

This really pisses me off.

For alerters: go read about what really happened, and how a first-class DUer helped the dog, was accused of this, and even had the OP send the cops after then. NO OF IT WAS TRUE.

Skinner and EarlG need to do something.

[Codeine]

88. What a horrible, mean-spirited lie.

Msanthrope tried to help you. Your dog was a poorly-socialized menace who represented a danger to her so it was put in a place where it could be properly cared for and you repaid her efforts with harassment and threats.

Stop grifting. Stop manipulating and lying and running down people who tried to give you assistance.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

97. As I recall, the only help this OP has accepted is that which is deposited in that gofundme account.

[cwydro]

126. Exactly.

I really had hoped there would be no more of these.

[TorchTheWitch]

176. no, it is NOT a lie

And I've got the documentation to prove it. You don't have a single fucking THING.

[Codeine]

181. I have the word of a respected member

of this online community, a member who went above and beyond to assist you and your dog only to receive vindictive opprobrium in return.

I'll take her word over that of a person such as yourself any day of the week.

[obamanut2012]

193. lolz

[msanthrope]

263. You had nothing. Which is why no one from any agency you contacted believed you. ntt

[AtheistCrusader]

34. I see refusing help, insisting on keeping the dog has led to all the financial stability you hoped

For.

Wonder how many will be hurt trying to help you this time?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

41. How many responses will be hidden for not believing this OP? nt

[Hekate]

125. By this time, there better be none. People can start posting links to the previous grift.

[30Draw]

42. I can't figure out this online donation business .. Do I need some sort of account ??

[ChisolmTrailDem]

43. Yes, if you're a scammer or someone who actually needs help, you'll need a way...

...to collect people's gullibility or their generosity.

Most people use gofundme.com and most people are honest when they put their name on such an account. But some are not and take advantage of people.

[30Draw]

44. It's just so heartbreaking reading about a fellow DUer suffering :(

[ChisolmTrailDem]

45. True suffering is always heartbreaking, DUer or not. nt

[zazen]

85. absolutely times 10,000 n/t

[LisaL]

87. As I recall the husband of the poster took the dog in,

but couldn't keep the dog in his home because dog was large, and didn't get along with other animals. So this OP does have the dog, that's not made up. And whoever tried to help her with the dog couldn't keep the dog. So what exactly am I missing here?

[pnwmom]

148. The accusations of theft that the OP made against the man who tried to do her a favor

Last edited Sun May 1, 2016, 07:48 PM - Edit history (2)

but had to take the dog to an Akita rescue when he realized the dog was dangerous. He told the OP where he had left the dog so that the OP could get him, and she was able to get him -- so it didn't sound like theft to most of us. More like the man didn't want to deal with the OP.

[obamanut2012]

158. The dog was going to be fostered by an Akita rescue

It would have been the best place for him.

[pnwmom]

159. Right -- I'd forgotten that detail. Thanks.

[obamanut2012]

194. No worries --

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

284. Yoshi is fiercely loyal to their master

A master who has not done right by them and made it impossible to domesticate with other people.

[Mother Of Four]

295. As an experienced Akita owner -

These pictures of our Princess Frog. She's my Diva Dog. We adopted her from a friend. We've known her since a pup. She was WELL loved and socialized by them. The only reason she's with us is due to their circumstances.



It was really hot upstairs and my 19 year old wanted to crash in the living room






These two above are my 21 year old getting her cuddles on the den floor.



This is Baby in 2007, Sadly we had to help her sleep a couple years ago. She had a genetic disorder that caused her body to attack itself. Even with fighting it for two years eventually her body started to shut down. First blindness, then gastric distress. She couldn't take food any longer. I got two seperate opinions, and it broke my heart. She was my doll baby. My protector and best friend. I posted this one from before she was ill because this is how I'll always remember her.





I've tried not answering in these threads because I didn't want my anger to pound through.

You're right, she DIDN'T socialize her dog. NEITHER of my babies would have attacked someone like that unless on command or if I were in extreme distress. These dogs are independent, smart, loyal. They are fierce protectors and unless raised properly with full socialization these situations like what happened with Ms and her former are beyond dangerous. Being loyal shouldn't mean being aggressive. Aggression comes from improper training.

I wanted to scream at the screen. I've actually gotten a little obsessive about this and went back through all the other threads to get the story straight as much as I could.

I would take Yoshi in a heartbeat. I know this breed, and his world is so narrow right now from his lack of socialization. It makes me want to cry.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

296. Thank you for that

Yoshi is not a "bad" dog. I'm sure, in his world, he is a very good dog.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

46. This DUer put another DUer thru a ton of hell

When they tried to help them before.

[KittyWampus]

83. There's a point where you are helping someone in need or enabling toxic behavior.

The OP'er has serious issues that go well beyond a tooth ache.

Throwing your good money at this person won't help. It simply enables self destructive behavior.

[Codeine]

90. The OP is a grifter.

Don't buy into her narrative.

[AngryOldDem]

115. Yes, it is, but read through the posts here and find the ones from 2015.

People aren't being heartless a-holes. There's genuine suspicion about this poster's motives.

Doesn't exactly fit, but caveat emptor.

[phleshdef]

48. The one and only time I was needing a tooth to come out and was dead broke...

...was back in college, one of my back molars were screwed. I went to the Ohio State Medical students who were studying to be dentists and they took it out for practically nothing. I don't know where you are located, but if you can find a similar program in your state, that is definitely the way to go.

[yuiyoshida]

69. and the results are in!

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Grifting away, I'm just grifting away... Eom
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7794513

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This person is bombarding this thread with insults directed at the OP. I have no problem with squirrel's opinion, but this is pure harassment.

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[AtheistCrusader]

98. It would appear 5 out of 7 jurors remember the last thread.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

99. Silly alerter said "pure harrasment" from rjsquirrel, as if a grifter deserves anything less. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

101. Yep. TTW not only wasted the help offered, but she made it less likely

Several people will ever risk holding out a hand and offering anyone else help ever again.

It was pretty brutal to watch, and I'm surprised to discover I'm still genuinely pissed about it.

[AngryOldDem]

112. I'm just sorry that several well-intentioned people made good efforts to help...

...only to be turned on and treated cruelly.

Not surprised in the least to see the response this is getting. Once burned...

The threads from last year are still available, for those who need some backstory.

I wish TWW well, but my wallet is staying closed.

[obamanut2012]

142. I am, too

[AngryOldDem]

113. I can't stand seeing good people get scammed.

They need to be aware of who they're dealing with. And sorry, but that's the impression of TWW many of us were left with after last year -- someone who doesn't want help unless it involves GoFundMe.

All you can do is point that out and let people decide for themselves what to do. Not harassment of the OP at all.

Some people's memories are pretty long so I'm kind of surprised TWW is back with a new variation on an old theme.

No wait; I'm not.

[AtheistCrusader]

129. That's exactly it. Even at ten bucks. For some people, that donation of 10$ was their

discretionary spending for the week. I hate to see it go to someone who just uses people like this. Charity is each individual's business, and that's fine, but grifters... them I will say something about.

I'm actually surprised she came back, in even MORE dire straits than before.

[trof]

71. Jury voted 5-2 to leave your post alone.

[Paper Roses]

72. Bookmarked to see where this leads, I remember the last time.

[Hekate]

225. I'm also bookmarking to add to last year's mess. She'll be back.

[MissB]

73. After the way you treated another DUer that tried to help you?

Goodness I do hope NOT ONE SINGLE DUer falls for your pleas this time. Not one.

Hot mess or grifter - don't really care. Your treatment of another DUer was epic. Too soon for another grift.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

75. If you've had a root canal in that tooth

there is nothing there with which to feel pain. Just saying...

[cwydro]

76. Lol! Good catch!

[Demit]

77. Actually, I looked that up yesterday to check, and it's possible.

I followed the whole melodrama last time, too, and was instantly skeptical. She'll trip herself up eventually, though, with her elaborate excuses & digressions & evasions, if this goes any further. Just like last time. God, all those people who tried to help her, who took the time, and what she did in return!

[pnwmom]

149. Right. For example, if a bit of the root is accidentally left it can cause problems later.

It is because of her past behavior that I doubt this story -- and the idea that a dental school would refuse to let any of its students do a difficult extraction. How else are they to learn?

[nadine_mn]

78. You can still have pain around the tooth..happened to me

I have had way too much dental work and have had at least 6 root canals. Last year I had a lot of pain in a toThe, went to the dentist and it was a tooth that had a root canal..I assumed that because the root was gone, no pain.

Well a cavity formed underneath where the root canal was, in the little bit of tooth that was left and I ended up having to have it pulled. You can get an infection and abscess in the gums.

No idea what is going on with TTW, but just wanted to say that there is no limit apparently to things that can go wrong with teeth.

[SusanCalvin]

79. Not that I'm supporting the OP, but yes there is.

I had a tooth with a root canal that developed a crack in the root, and the sharp protrusions led to an abscess. The tooth itself couldn't hurt, but everything else sure did. I had to have an implant.

[Rex]

118. If the canal collapses, like it did in my case you can most certainly feel pain.

I have no idea if the OP is legit, but the last time this went on it caused a huge amount of hurt feelings for a lot of people. We need a group on DU where people can go beg for money if they are that hard up, imo. GD is not the place as can be seen.

[hamsterjill]

199. Sorry, but not correct.

Root canals fail all the time. I've experienced that myself, and like you, was skeptical until it actually happened to me.

This is NOT a post to sway or not sway any DU'er that might donate or might not donate. Just personal experience with root canals.

[elehhhhna]

80. Just donated. Xox

[obamanut2012]

105. lolz

[nadine_mn]

82. I am not understanding the part about a temp agency refusing to hire because of tooth pain

As someone with a shit ton of dental work..I am sorry you are in pain.

Won't the ER pull it? My understanding was that hospitals don't do dental care obviously but will do an extraction in extreme cases.

But how do the temp agencies even know you are going through this? I don't know how they can require a doctors note..it's not like you are contagious. That is just so weird. Unless maybe your face is really swollen and bruised, then seriously I can't see being able to find some dentist willing to work with you.

[Drahthaardogs]

95. It is hard to understand because it did not happen.

This is an attempt to get sympathy and funds. There is quite a history here. Your suspicions are warranted.

[pnwmom]

150. I don't buy the part about the dental school refusing to do a difficult extraction.

Shouldn't their graduates be prepared to do difficult extractions once they're out in the field? Doesn't the dental school teach oral surgery?

[SheilaT]

257. An ER is only going to do emergency extractions if they actually

have a dentist on staff. I know that the ER of the hospital I used to work in had no dentist on staff. I suspect most hospitals don't.

[zazen]

84. shouldn't this be vetted by admins before posting? it hurts people with genuine causes

This is too, too familiar an approach, having seen it play out with addicts around here in real life (as well as by this poster on DU before)--always the complicated story, always how nothing else can help but actual cash. It reeks of desperation.

On the 1% chance this is genuine, I still think a person ought not to post such requests here more than once, hence TTW's request ought not to have been allowed. It makes it that more difficult for someone else who might be in genuine need to ever ask the community for help.

It's really sad to me to see good-hearted people on this thread donating to a person who has demonstrated before in great detail that they aren't operating in good faith. That money is better gone to so many other people with actual need. THOSE are the people who are hurt by this.

Very sad.

[LisaL]

86. I don't follow.

As far as I can tell from all the various threads, this person does have a dog, and issues with finding a job or place to live.

[pintobean]

96. It's being vetted in this thread.

Admin doesn't get involved with this stuff. Why would you expect them to? We're all adults.

You can alert on the OP, and make a case. Maybe a jury will hide the thread.

[meow2u3]

89. Is there an organization in your area that can provide free or low-cost dental work?

Especially if you're too rich to qualify for Medicaid, but too poor to afford a dentist at full price?

You might want to research it. The Philly area should have some organizations that might help you. I live in Northampton County and I had 3 infected and broken teeth extracted last year because I found an organization in Easton, PA for low-income people too rich to qualify for Medicaid.

[LisaL]

91. Why would she be too rich to qualify for Medicaid? As far as I can tell she has no assets.

[meow2u3]

92. Good point

She might want to apply for medical assistance.

[AtheistCrusader]

100. LeftyMom posted several options up thread before TTW 'lost her wifi'

Note that the information was not acknowledged and I guarantee it will not be utilized.

Only funds deposited in the gofundme will be 'utilized'.

It's a clue.

[obamanut2012]

107. this

[trotsky]

245. A big, honking, red-light-flashing clue. n/t

[CreekDog]

267. I didn't know clues "honked" and "flashed"

And yet this one actually does.

[CountAllVotes]

93. Hello TorchTheWitch

again.

Sorry to hear about your tooth. You might wish to get some oregano oil and dab it on the tooth. Be sure to do this at night after you clean it best you can.

Oil of Oregano saved the teeth of someone I know that was told to have them all pulled out (which never happened as the oil of oregano KILLS the infection flat!).

Get some of this stuff as soon as you can! It is useful for many things and I heard about it on late night radio (KGO San Francisco in the good old days via
Ray Taliaferro who used to do the 1-5 a.m. slot for years -- a caller called in with the oil of oregano info.!).

If I was in your boat, this is what I'd do! It is not expensive (like less than $20).

More about oil of oregano here: http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=199255

Sorry things haven't gotten a whole lot better for you.

Get well soon so you can get on with your life and I'm glad Yoshi is still with you!

[Sunlei]

103. perhaps if you post the name of the dentist who RX the antibiotics & will treat the tooth, someone

will pay the Dentist directly. I don't think most people here are comfortable just sending cash to you, sorry.

[cwydro]

134. I know, right?

I've been too lazy to look up the old threads, but I seem to remember the old, "Oh my internet will be going down" line being used before.

[Mother Of Four]

164. See now I was just thinking this.

I was literally thinking

Well heck I'll just reply with "Send me the name of your dentist via private message and I'll call and ask how to do a charitable account for extraction, antibiotics and an after care appt." we can send donations there.

When I saw your post.

I've done it before locally, helped a young lady get an extraction and one after care appt. Total $200 because it was broken.

I think it was something like 20 each for the visits, 85 for the extraction, 25 or so for the injection to numb her. I can't remember the totals verbatim but I do remember it came out to something like $200 or a little over.

Wouldn't that be more likely to garner assistance?

I guess we'll see what she says.

[Kang Colby]

111. About $10 at your local hardware store.

You're welcome.

[stage left]

151. What a cruel suggestion. nt

[Kang Colby]

175. This poster is a well noted scammer. n/t

[Petrushka]

229. That's much too brutal. Here's a photo of an instrument similar to the one my dad used . . .

. . . to pull his own tooth . . . while blubbering & sobbing as he
downed each swig of whisky, pulled & twisted & pulled again
until his mouth was bloody & bruised. But, as he said, holding
up that tooth & grinning, "That son of a bitch ain't never gonna
hurt me no more!

Over the years, he pulled two more of those sons a-bitches.


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[trumad]

116. Provide me your Dentist phone number-contact info--- and I will call him or her....

Let me verify that this is for real and you are indeed in need and I will personally do my best to help out.

tru

[trumad]

145. Tick Tock

Just offered to help and you haven't replied.

[pintobean]

152. I would guess that your sincerity is in question

since your offer came after you started a thread mocking her.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027794946

[2naSalit]

117. Problems in your story

that make me suspicious...

My regular oral surgeon will do it ASAP as an emergency visit

You have a regular surgeon?

That's interesting. And just what state do you live in? Last time I think it was Ohio which is a state that has expanded medicare/medicaid which means that if you had signed up for that, as you should have (at no cost btw) you would be covered at no cost by medicaid.

I don't believe this plea is anything but a scam having been around the last time you claimed you were in trouble, which you may have been at that time but the way you responded to those who did come to help you makes me think you are not legit in this claim.

You should be on medicaid if your are that poor. Hell I'm on medicaid and have full medical, dental, vision coverage and my state came very late to the table on the expansion and I have a full time job in the summer months but nothing in winter. My income is around $15K annually and I am still covered whether I work year round or not. So I am thinking you are scamming us.

WHY AREN"T YOU ON MEDICAID???

[Demit]

133. She was living in a Philadelphia close suburb last time.

Maybe Havertown? I don't remember where she was moved to after she was evicted, but it was in the vicinity as I recall.

[2naSalit]

135. Well

wherever she ended up, she was well within the income level of getting welfare of some sort and medicaid if that's available in her state. I just don't see how she can keep coming here and asking for help and then accusing those who do come to her aid of some off the wall crap.

Sounds like a person in need of something that money from strangers isn't going to help... it seems to enable more than anything.

There are some truly goodhearted people here who will assist others without question, and I applaud them for it but I think that in this case they are being exploited.

[obamanut2012]

143. It was near Havertown, if I remember correctly

[zazen]

165. the last person I knew who did this was an ADDICT

All sorts of reasons why you couldn't give the person/agency/institution/doctor who needed money the money directly. You had to give it to HER, and no one else. Always an elaborate excuse.

Sadly, she did this with parents at a daycare. She scammed the fellow parents of children in my kid's day care. Not me, and it made me wonder why I was colder, but then I've had addicts in the family already. I couldn't believe how many people she took in.

Same schtick. I've known people who'd rather be on the street than ask for help on a web site. And if they did, they sure as hell wouldn't do it over and over and over again.

Admins--STOP THIS. This is abusive to people to really need help. This person is either a scammer or an addict.

[Sissyk]

173. Why keep calling for Admin to stop this?

They have said since DU3 that asking for help is up to the community. They are not going to vouch or stop anyone from doing so.

Just stop posting in the thread and let it drop like a rock.

Heck, I was a part of the initial request. Gave money and time. A few conversations that went nowhere. I learned.

Some didn't, but we can't stop them from giving if they don't believe it's a scam.

[zazen]

177. because there is no post on this thread on which to alert, and people are being scammed

Posters on this thread have already posted they've donated, which means they have been ripped off, which they will learn and which may then hurt the actual legitimately needy people who request help here or elsewhere.

I have no other recourse but to ask the admins to stop allowing this CRIMINAL activity.

I don't care. Alert me. This is criminal and disgusting.

I also find it offensive that this scammer would use a name like "torchthewitch" as if their suffering somehow equals that of the millions of people, mostly women, who were murdered as "witches."

This is really, really offensive and damaging.

[Texasgal]

180. You have a choice ya know..

Keep your wallet closed???

DU members are not stupid! They can make their own decisions about this. Jeez.

[Sissyk]

183. I don't think DUers are that shallow.

I was scammed by her before. I now know that. However, that doesn't mean I stopped giving to our fellow DUers truly in need.

My Daddy used to say, "once the money leaves my hand to their hand, it's no longer my concern." I try to live by that. But, I also try to not get suckered in twice. Which means watching and listening.

Why would I alert you??? I thought it was a comment about why Admin doesn't act on this thread. I was letting you know why.

the name thing? I wouldn't even begin to try and figure out where people come up with online names.

[Rex]

119. I know all about tooth pain, as bad as kidney stones.

Goodluck with getting some help, that kind of pain is horrible...debilitating.

[ScreamingMeemie]

130. ...

I think I gave these to you last time... but,

www.onespace.com
www.ezdia.com
https://www.crowdcontent.com/

Pay is daily, and you can work in your pajamas. You can work in pain (terminally ill people work at these sites). I have worked at these places while in the hospital.
All you need an Internet connection (even a shitty one) for is to submit your work. It is obvious you can write, and this is a way you can make money for your writing without using it to ask others for help.

(it can't hurt to post this again)

I wish you all the best.

[PasadenaTrudy]

131. I just checked out all three of these

I can't figure out what the deal is. No links to hiring process or what the work entails. I'm curious because I can no longer hold a regular job due to illness. I have a BA in art history, so I can write decently...

[ScreamingMeemie]

132. PM me.

I'm able to make my house payment and everything. It's perfect for those who can't get out of the house to work.

I've worked at OneSpace (previously known as CloudCrowd and then CrowdSource) for 7 years. I work sporadically at the one of the others when I need to. The third is where a few of my writing partners pick up extra jobs.

[Hekate]

136. Fellow DUers who are concerned: here are links to the last "emergency"

Read all the way through for what TTW did to some very good hearted people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027077891

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027034968

[cwydro]

137. Good on ya for posting these.

I just didn't have the energy.

This nonsense has gone on long enough.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

138. K&R

[Heddi]

144. You're lying when you say that dental schools won't do it -- I am an RN in Philadelphia

I work with patients who are the poorest. I refer patients to Temple Dental School on a *daily* basis for complex dental procedures INCLUDING root canals.

Why do you continue to lie? I understand that you're using DU as a regular source of income, but why lie? Why not just come out and say you need money? You lie about things that are easily verifiable. Temple Dental School is no cost or sliding scale depending on your income. They do complex dental procedures, implants, surgeries, extractions. Anyone with 3 seconds can find this out.

Yet you can't. Just like you never can. And when people find it out for you, you ignore them and beg for more money.

You're a pathetic, lying, grifter. I feel sorry for everyone who has been suckered into your toxic drama and continuous lies. I feel bad for your dog, too.

[cwydro]

146. Thanks for posting this.

I've watched as DUer after DUer has offered solutions, suggestions, helping hands, and a whole bunch of money.

Everything was spurned. Except for the money.

[alphafemale]

324. This is a grifter POS that should have been banned from DU long ago.

Such....stories.

Always another sad sack story.

[Paper Roses]

147. May I suggest that everyone do a site search:

This person seems to be active when $$$ is involved. Note dates and subject of posts.Many of us do not post often but neither do we ask for money. DU is not a bank or a charity. As I follow the post and replies, I am convinced that my first thought, "not again" was correct.

We all know now many people who are in tight circumstances, many with major health and finance issues. None have done anything like this. May I suggest you tread carefully.

I wish the Admin's could somehow check this out. It is not fair to lean on this group, especially under the guise of being a valued contributor. If I am wrong, my apologies, if I am right, well then....keep your wallet in your pocket.

[AngryOldDem]

160. I wish the admins would just not allow posts like these. Period.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought at one time requests for money had to go through them for approval.

The way things are set up now it's just too easy to take advantage of people's better natures, and unfortunately, some are all too willing to do that.

These threads are disruptive and ultimately divisive and should not be allowed. That in and of itself merits a lock of these kinds of posts (especially from repeating requesters) and maybe a TOS, IMO.
Why that wasn't done last year is beyond me.

DU is not a social service clearinghouse nor (as you said) a bank or a charity.

This poster has a sketchy history here, and people need to remember that.

[OneGrassRoot]

166. You recall correctly...

Before DU3 (that's what this incarnation is called, right?) people had to get permission from the admins to post any request involving money. For a while I acted as the go-between with my site, Wishadoo!; I did my best to vet things before ever posting any requests for $$, with the help of other DUers.

When the admins changed the policy and said anyone can post requests, including those for money, I saw no need to continue to try to help. It became a free-for-all and a bit unwieldy. Plus, I needed to put things on hold anyway until I could get help as I was overwhelmed (lots of people beyond DU found their way to Wishadoo).

BTW, for the CC'ers reading, I never received any money for acting as the go-between; Wishadoo never got a cut whatsoever. That's the whole point of Wishadoo, that it's a direct connection, one-on-one.

It breaks my heart to see some of the things that have happened here especially over the last year. Next to primaries, this kind of thing does tear a community apart.

[hamsterjill]

247. I agree.

I'm certainly not a wealthy person, but I do give, and give generously when I can. I think each and every one of us has only to look outside our own front doors to find someone who needs help, so it's not like we are not compassionate people.

I have made it a policy that I don't contribute money to any of the "go fund me" types of sites. First of all, they take a portion of the proceeds which is unacceptable to me, personally, and second of all, I like to make sure that my dollars go to the legitimate issues. I'll call in money to a professional office, or donate food, etc., but I won't donate to these types of sites, and I wish pleas on DU would be properly vetted before being allowed to be posted.

[pnwmom]

154. In PA, Medicaid covers extractions. Here are more PA options for low-income people:

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/oral_health/14180/oral_health_care_programs/557627

[ChisolmTrailDem]

157. And there is that... nt

[Siwsan]

161. Well, damn! I must have missed something in one of the previous episodes of this drama!

[noamnety]

168. Yep, you missed a classic thread.

That was back when she was bragging about how she was above even thinking about something as small as ten dollars. Literally said that she wipes her ass with 10 dollar bills.

I see a quote of it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026748167#post171

[Siwsan]

171. I found a $10 in my spring jacket pocket, this year, and did a WHOO HOO dance

And then put it in my bill fold to spend on groceries. I never, ever take having money for granted. Life is full of far too many surprises.

[unapatriciated]

190. Post 21 in your link is very interesting.

I remember all too well how many times the op asked for help and how she treated those that tried to help.

[3catwoman3]

222. You would be a good detective.

My curiosity was piqued, so I looked at post #21 in that link also. Dentures. Very interesting, indeed.

[Petrushka]

230. Although Post #21 was difficult to find (macular degeneration), locating it was worth the trouble.

I had been tempted to send TTW what would have gone to Bernie's campaign this week,
hesitated, read through replies by other DUers and . . . whoa! TTW has dentures?!

Sorry, TTW.






Go, Bernie!

[Hekate]

259. Good for you for following up with some of the links to TTW's escapades

Responses with links are the only way to stop her, as we lack the power to ban her from the site.

You are goodhearted to want to help, but your charity money is better spent elsewhere, and if you are going to send it to Bernie, go right ahead!

[Scurrilous]

202. I guess that means she's down to her last roll of ten dollar bills.

[betsuni]

210. Soon as I saw the "down to my last $20 and roll of toilet paper," I knew there would be trouble.

[Petrushka]

231. Shame on me for laughing!

[Mojorabbit]

162. That was a low statement. nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

163. Tell it to TTW, she's the one who said it. nt

[Demit]

167. She said it in a thread here once, boasting about how much $ she made stripping.

[noamnety]

169. and just to be clear

I don't think anyone had a problem with the career. It was the sneering about how a ten dollar donation is just an insult, that people had a problem with. There was an attitude of contempt toward the idea that for some people ten dollars might be important.

[Demit]

185. I don't recall that what she was sneering at was a donation...

It wasn't in one of her begging threads that she said it. It was in an earlier, unrelated thread. Whatever she was mocking, the image of her using that amount of $ as toilet paper was definitely a vivid one.

And no, no one had a problem with the career.

[MoonRiver]

170. Yes, it was something TTW stated about her past.

Which is why I'm not sure the post above should have been hidden.

[Texasgal]

174. The post deserved to be hidden.

It was a slut shame period.

Not everyone here reading is up to date on what TTW posted 10+ years ago. Her OP said nothing about her past. This was a slut shame and not needed in this thread regardless of how you feel about TTW.

[Demit]

186. I don't agree that it was slut-shaming.

It was a reference to an image that she herself used. No one made a connection between stripping and sluttishness here until you just did.

[Texasgal]

188. A jury did.

[Demit]

189. The jury results don't say anything about stripping=sluttish.

That idea is all yours.

[Texasgal]

192. How do you know

what the jury said? Or what the alert was about? Were you on it? Post some results?

And seriously I find it completely shitty that someone would go through TTW's posts from over ten years ago to make a point! It was slut shamming and did not to be mentioned no matter you feel about TTW. It was bullshit and I am glad it got hidden.

[Demit]

198. We both of us only see the number results. Not what they said.

Look, if you think women who strip are sluts, fine. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But TTW was happy to make that boast—that she wipes her ass with ten dollars—and that's what was memorable. It's quite a striking thing to ever say. People remember the contempt.

[Texasgal]

200. TEN years ago!

Holy fuck! What does that have to do with now? Why bring that shit up?

The only reason was to slut shame. Period. Her current issues from TEN years ago has nothing to do with what she is dealing with TODAY!! Read... 10 years ago she made a statement! What in the fuck does that have to do with her current OP???

Oh, and I KNOW what the jury said because I was on it! And yes. I voted to HIDE because I found it SEXIST and ridiculous! So, you can stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

[Demit]

206. It seems to be the only reason *you* can think of, that's for sure.

Not so for everyone. Especially those to whom ten dollars still means something.

[Texasgal]

207. The jury agreed.

Sorry you don't.

[Petrushka]

232. The following question might be asking you to compare apples to oranges; but . . .

. . . suppose it was a male stripper who held a ten-dollar donation in contempt,
saying he wiped his ass with ten-dollar bills. Would the hidden comment still
be considered SEXIST?

Just curious.

[Omaha Steve]

204. Jury results

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 1, 2016, 05:23 PM, and the Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If there was any possibility that this was in reference to another post, a link should have been provided. I don't know what's up with this OP but you can't just sling the word 'stripping' about.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I really agonized over this one. Decided to go with "hide" because of the sexism.
However, the admins should really get involved here. This has an ugly history behind it.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Amazingly misogynistic

[Mojorabbit]

195. Exactly!!! nt

[obamanut2012]

196. it wasn'y slut shaming at all

And, trust me, I would call it that if it was.

The poster was quoting TTW.

[Texasgal]

197. From a post that was made over ten years ago?

Really?

What was the point?

[AtheistCrusader]

208. That TTW is not exactly a good investment charity-wise.

Not because of stripping at all. The 'wipe my ass with a ten' part was the relevant bit.

You've been told that and you keep returning to the 'slut' thing as if stripping was the point. It wasn't.

[Texasgal]

209. Yes it was.

Look, I don't agree with TTW and her "fundraising" efforts. I think that plenty of people can find reasons for not donating. But to bring up a post from ten fucking years ago about her life BEFORE her current issues is ridiculous!

Have you changed in the last ten years? Do you have mental issues? Do you think that anyone should be held accountable for something they said ten fucking years ago?

Shall I troll you account? Maybe pull up some shit YOU SAID?

[AtheistCrusader]

211. Go ahead.

I'm not the one in here dismissing about how entry level work is 'idiot' work, ignoring actual offers for help that don't involve handing over cash, having previously attacked DU members that went WAY above and beyond to help, etc. I'm not the one leaning on my credibility when spinning my tale of woe.

I don't doubt mental health is an issue here. Clearly. At this point DU is collectively not helping her. She requires help we can't offer, and stringing things along is making it worse. She's in the same dire financial straits she was in the first time she asked for help. It's as if no time has passed.


But yeah, go ahead. Root through my post history, be a badass, let's see what you can dredge up if you think that's going to bear fruit. Go ahead.

[Texasgal]

213. Ugh.

You don't get it.

Okay, glad a jury did.

I don't care about your posting history, apparently alot of people DO care about hers. I find it shitty and ridiculous that someone would post up shit from ten fucking years ago and use it against her in this current situation.

Thanks for missing the entire point here.

Anyway, done here. A jury agreed and I have no more fucks to give over this situation. Have a good night.

[AtheistCrusader]

215. That was a SINGLE data point. One.

You act as if that's the entirety of he negative opinion of her and her story here. It's not. What she did to Misanthrope and her husband was epically bullshit. That's the main issue.

Her re-tread plea for help is actually less of a problem.

[Texasgal]

217. Hello!

I agree with that. JAZUS! Read my fucking posts!

I just simply do not agree with the fact that her post for ten fucking years ago has been used against her! READ!!! READ!!!

Do I agree with her current plea for money? NO! Do I agree with how she treated Misanthrope? No!

Good fucking damn! The way you folks put words in my mouth is insane!

[AtheistCrusader]

220. We make such a big deal out of the money point

When TTW has again (twice in this thread) made dismissive noises about "low pay idiot work".

Do you really not see the connection?

[cwydro]

236. I remember in one thread she put down social workers and city workers too.

She looks down her nose at all kinds of jobs.

I guess that's easy to do if you don't have to work.

[noamnety]

242. Yep, that's it exactly.

The consistent message over the last decade has been "I'm too good to be part of the working class and waste my time at a regular job - but you peons who are idiotic enough to do that should work a few hours for free and send me your paychecks."

[closeupready]

248. This is the thing, yes. Unlike millions of Americans, she's obviously literate.

And smart. I've gotten tired of these threads from her, since it's obvious to me what's going on.

[Hekate]

226. Not everything is slut-shaming. Sometimes it's just an accurate observation/direct quote.

Before you judge the rest of DU for not getting all gooey over her current plea for money (and please do note it is for $$$ and not for directions to the free dentist or whatever) I ask you to follow the links I and others have posted here and READ ALL the posts in them. TTW has caused great harm to others who have tried to help her, especially in person.

I don't have anything further back than last year, and it was horrible.

Believe me, there is no slut-shaming involved. Give up your obsession with that.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

251. So, are all strippers "sluts", or just some of them? nt

[840high]

172. Yes it is. Shame on the poster.

[A HERETIC I AM]

201. Damn....

These threads sure as hell are entertaining.

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[lancer78]

218. Do you live

in East Tennessee? If you did, I know an excellent oral surgeon who will remove the tooth for $90.

[gwheezie]

227. What! Yoshi needs a tooth transplant?

Did I get this wrong?

[SheilaT]

228. TTW! How I've missed you!

And your many threads begging for money!

To all who bother to read all the way to this post, TTW in the somewhat recent past has apparently admitted to having full dentures already: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026851960#post10

And for those of you interested in her full history of begging for money and lying about her dog Yoshi, I have carefully made note of all of her previous posts. You can PM me for them, or I can post them here if there's enough demand.

[Petrushka]

233. Here's another post where she mentions her "dentures" (plural) and talks about "them" (plural) --->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026748167#post21

[obamanut2012]

238. OMG I forgot about that -- great find

[Petrushka]

239. Someone upthread gave a link & said to check Post #21 . . . and . . .

. . . so, nosy me, I scrolled down through the thread until I found #21,
saw your post, and thought #21 would answer your question about dentures.

[Vinca]

240. I think that's a common way to refer to them, even if you only have uppers or lowers.

She may well have just upper dentures. The reason I won't donate to her is her history here when someone went above and beyond the call of duty to help her and her dog.

[Petrushka]

241. I thought that might be the case, at first. But, then I read . . .

. . . where she repeatedly refers to her "denture" (sing.), more often
than not, in two different posts at two different links. There is only
one place that I've seen where she refers to "dentures" (pl.) and
"them" (pl.). Every where else, she says "denture" (sing.) and "it" (sing.)..

Oh, well. At least I read enough to realize my donation would be more
appreciated by Bernie.

[trotsky]

249. DAMN.

"There's nothing so great as never having to worry about and deal with tooth pain or infections again!"

Indeed.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

292. It shows she tries to scam using something she knows a little about so it sounds legit

Guess she's not paranoid enough to think someone remembered this.

[SheilaT]

293. Or maybe she thinks there's an even greater turnover

here than there really is.

Or because so many people here defended her for so very long last year, she thinks it will be the same this time.

I took a huge amount of abuse last year from people who thought I was terrible, just terrible to keep track of her various threads, point out some of the more glaring discrepancies, and suggest people not send her a penny. Her very first post last year sort of took me in, although I wasn't about to send money. Then by the second thread I was quite suspicious, and by the third one her excuses, deflections, pretend helplessness, and pleas for money told me for sure she was scamming.

Notice, by the way, that she put up the OP, showed up a total of four more times in the thread, mostly to questions about Yoshi. No responses to actual good suggestions of free or very cheap care, or to pay directly to whoever would extract this tooth. Here's my prediction: she'll let this thread go on for a couple of more days, after which it will die a natural death. Then, in about three weeks she'll be back: her tooth problem has gotten vastly worse, she's got some systemic infection, practically at death's door herself, can't even manage to walk poor Yoshi, and will be in very, very desperate need of money sent to her immediately.

She probably has quite a few who've posted here on Ignore -- she apparently put me on Ignore in the middle of that amazing saga last year, so I feel free to post anything that's not actually defamatory, as she won't even see my posts.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

294. You have to admit it takes chutzpah

She simply walks in here, like she's never done this before, and starts with the sob story.

[SheilaT]

299. Without knowing TTW's exact circumstances, and without

being any kind of an expert on grifting, my take is that she's simply someone who does a short con, and therefore doesn't assess what's gone on before on the internet, who only knows that a particular kind of story is normally very effective. The chutzpah, as you so accurately named it, isn't in walking in here as if she's never done it before, but in a more global sense of having the chutzpah to start the grift in the first place.

I really wish that misanthrope and her husband were willing to give us more details on what exactly happened last year, when out of the genuine goodness of their hearts, they tried to rescue Yoshi and provide a better place for that dog. To begin with, the dog was not at all as advertised by TTW. Akitas can be problematical, and this particular one was definitely so. Then misanthrope and her husband tried to place Yoshi with an Akita rescue group (and I want to give a shout-out here to ALL rescue groups. I have a brother who does Irish Wolfhound rescue, and I understand the amazing things these groups do.) but TTW totally freaked out, accused misanthrope and her husband of stealing the dog, and things got very ugly. Misanthrope and hubby did NOT deserve the crap that TTW dumped on them.

TTW then went silent for a very long time, with occasional posts on various groups. Until two days ago when she showed up the the OP here, begging for help for her painful tooth. This, despite having not so long ago said that getting dentures was wonderful because of the relief from tooth problems. Various people in this thread have tried to micro-interpret TTW's various posts as showing that she has ONE denture (an upper or lower, not determined) from old posts, and are willing to give her a bit of a pass here. Personally, I won't give her a pass on anything.

And because I'm both a bit OCD and VERY detail oriented, I have all of the threads from last year that either she started, or someone else started in connection to her OMG! I'm going to be homeless! threads. Shall I post them?

[betsuni]

302. I, for one, would like you to post them.

I didn't bookmark anything, it would be nice to have the record, just in case.

[SheilaT]

306. I've sent you a PM with all the threads.

It will be almost a career to read them.

Please do enjoy them, and PM me if you wish.

[Hekate]

307. I finally posted the links I have bookmarked, but I know there's more out there

I've bookmarked this thread already because there's more in it and there will be a "next time," guaranteed. I saved the info because I don't like to see people get sucked in and hurt. If you PM me your links, please do; if you are willing to post them here, all the better.

I can't imagine anyone reading them all -- I just want people to be forewarned and to know we aren't all "just being mean," as someone put it before sending a donation.

[betsuni]

300. I remember that, people were really mad at you and you were right all along.

My version of the next installment: she went to a dentist/surgeon and they screwed up (long rant about how stupid everyone is and how they're out to get her). Now her mouth is terribly infected and she needs antibiotics, another operation, and toilet paper. Send $. I wonder if the original plan was to do the tooth first and then some weeks later say she needs dentures (and toilet paper).

I live in fear I'll go a few days without looking at GD and miss one of these fabulous TTW stories.

[bvf]

235. Would $10,000 cover it?

[J_J_]

250. colloidal silver might help stop the infection

It might cost $10 or so at a health food store, but you can try this as a temporary solution.

I'm sorry about the lack of empathy for you situation.

Even if DUers were to think you are a scammer- for a total of $2,000! in over a year- you are one sorry scammer.

I'd think if you were a pro as some suggest, you would probably find a scam that pays better.

This current post has raised $105

To the mean DUers: I would think that having a heart and making sure your compassion stays intact is more important than the $10 you may have been scammed out of.

I often think of bobbolink who clearly needed help, perhaps had mental problems and communication issues...aren't those the people that need us the most?

People were so mean to her, they drove her from the site. She was homeless, yet working hard to raise awareness and help other homeless people. Now we have lost a great activist from the site.

[trotsky]

252. It also might turn you blue.

But anyway, regarding the "mean DUers," what do you make of this post in which TTW says she's got dentures?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026851960#post10

"There's nothing so great as never having to worry about and deal with tooth pain or infections again!"

[Frank Cannon]

253. Sorry. Just too many blatant holes in this person's story(ies).

And I have a suspicion that similar shenanigans are happening on other websites, hence the difficulty in keeping his/her numerous stories straight. Tangled webs, and all that. And who knows how much dough this person is actually raking in? From a cost/benefit standpoint, it's almost effortless.

I, for one, would like to see these kinds of discussion threads banished from this forum. They should be IMing their DU friends with these pleas.

I have as much compassion as the next guy, but as Carl Sagan said, it's okay to keep an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out.

[Demit]

254. Maybe DU isn't the only site she's asking for money from.

I don't know if she's a "pro" or not. Maybe she's only an amateur. Maybe she's only practicing on DU. Maybe the fact that she hasn't been back to this thread means she knows the well is going dry here & she's found hotter prospects.

I won't claim to speak for other DUers, but I know there is a sadly overwhelming number of ways to keep my compassion intact these days. I can give money to any number of good causes and at the same time be confident I haven't been taken advantage of. Because I don't want to be a mark doesn't make me mean.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

255. I've done a bit of sleuthing on this but then I lost all my give a fuck. She probably...

...doesn't use the same username in other places but one could try to search using keywords or phrases from her posts here on DU and see if there are hits that can be cross-referenced.

[Demit]

258. Yeah, I'm just interested in the way she spins her stories.

The excess of detail in some parts and the evasion & elision in others. Maybe there's a grain of truth that she starts from, but I think she's mainly a fabulist. The downside of the otherwise excellent way to extract money from strangers online is that your words are all written down & can be retrieved, and contradictions identified. She has champions here who don't want to hear that, but I figure if you want to run a game on goodhearted people it ought to be a very good, a very plausible, game. We at least deserve that.

[BDize]

261. There's at least one place where she uses the same name

and it's quite interesting!


http://torchthewitch.blogspot.com/

Live, Love, Laugh... That about sums me up... oh yeah, add to that a profound affection for an appreciation of money (yes, I know it sounds shallow and crass, so I have a proposal for you... give me all your money and see how you feel without it, and then you can get back to me on how shallow and crass I am, mmmmkay?).

Strange, I know. Who ever has the opportunity to think deep thoughts about potatoes other than how to spell it and who in their right mind with bother? Ah... but I already said that I have never claimed to be in my right mind. Should you suggest that the psychiatric profession may take an interest in me, you may have something there... just don’t suggest I seek their services for a full evaluation so that I can then claim one way or the other whether or not I’m loopy so that you’d be warned in advance unless you plan on paying for it... mmmkay?

Give her all your money and don't ask her to seek mental health services unless you plan on paying for it.

She seems to have a robust interest in getting money from other people.

[Hekate]

268. Fascinating info. Welcome to DU at this interesting time.

[dgibby]

272. Also this:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TorchTheWitch

[betsuni]

278. Looks like the dog is in exactly the same place as in the older videos.

I thought she moved.

[dgibby]

301. This may have been posted before

she moved. I just did a Google search and found the You Tube site.

[betsuni]

311. It's just that the last one was posted on 2015/12/25, long after she moved.

Not that it couldn't be an old video. A good detective would find out the weather on that day. If it snowed, the video's old.

[obamanut2012]

282. Is he living outside in that carrier?!

[dgibby]

303. I don't know.

Just saw it on her You Tube site. I don't know her except through her posts.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

288. How long ago was it that she was supposed to have moved? nt

[betsuni]

298. There was a post saying she left her old place last summer. nt

[dgibby]

305. Thanks, betsuni.

I didn't know when she was supposed to have moved.

[dgibby]

304. I'm not sure. n/t

[BDize]

320. I've been mostly a lurker for a couple of years

but I did manage to see past episodes of the Torch The Witch Dog And Pony Melodramas. Thanks anyway for the welcome.

[Hekate]

260. You often think of bobbolink?! Jeez, so do I. She's another one who caused great division at DU...

Do you know someone from DU actually gave her a laptop computer to help her out? Or tried to. I didn't bookmark that thread, though I am sure someone here could find it. It just did not end well. Her "activism" consisted of viciously attacking anyone who disagreed with her on any point, even if they agreed with her in principal.

People are not "mean" when they invoke the adage (which my mother should have taught me for my own self-protection): Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

It's like with all other forms of abuse: The first order of business is to stop the abuse; only then can you go on to attempt to understand the poor widdle psyche of the abuser. Torch The Witch is a grifter -- she's abusing this community. I don't care what her underlying mental problems are at this point. She has made it abundantly clear long since that she will ignore every attempt to help that does not involve cash in her hand.

[msanthrope]

264. Anyone who wants to give money should speak to me first about my experience with her. nt

[pnwmom]

312. My thought for anyone who's wanting to help out is to look around in their own lives

or ask their friends -- there is probably someone in need, whose circumstances are easily verifiable, who needs help just as much or more. For those who have money or resources they want to share.

In your case, you were geographically near her, so you weren't just sending money to an unknown person. But for most of us, TTW is just a name on a message board. And if we want to help someone we could probably do it more effectively if we just looked around our own neighborhoods, schools, churches, etc. for people in need.

[Demit]

322. This is the best advice.

There are so many people in need, and when they are without family & friends who can help, local organizations with their local knowledge, are in the best position to help.

I wondered at the time what the deal was with TTW's family. She was very vague about why they were so "horrible" to her and why she couldn't get help from them. Reading between the lines, you got the sense that she had been in financial trouble many times before, that they *had* tried to help her before, and now they were exasperated.

People's natural inclination is to help, I think, but we need to see that a person is making the effort to help themselves at the same time. That they are using our help as a springboard. Not using us as a source of income.

[Dorian Gray]

314. I actually wish you would

give more (objective) detail about your experience with her. The little I read at the time was shocking, but I don't think we have a full picture.

I know you really tried to help her with the dog.

[Hekate]

329. Several of us have posted links in this thread. The saga is documented in them. Short version:

Last edited Tue May 3, 2016, 09:29 PM - Edit history (1)

TTW wrote a dramatic narrative of how alone she was, how nobody would help her (family and friends had bailed long since), her landlord was a hateful slumlord (but NO WAY was she going to move out, because reasons), the slumlord was going to evict her (I think largely because of the giant dog), she and her dog were going to be homeless soon, she wasn't feeling all that well, her loving delightful Akita was everything to her and wouldn't hurt a fly (but was "protective" and would attack anyone who entered without permission), she desperately needed to work but all that was available was "idiot work" (which she will not do), she needed food stamps and such but the social worker was a complete idiot and totally hostile and no help at all, the dog was in dire need of larger space, kibble, etc. etc. etc. Please send money.

So, many posts along the way, lots of advice from concerned DUers (rejected because reasons, but mostly never replied to), much concern from DU. Finally it transpired that Msanthrope and her ex-husband were within hailing distance. The ex has space in his home and he is good with dogs, so he says he will take Yoshi, the delightful Akita companion dog who is good with other animals and people who are not hostile.

In reality the Akita turned out to be socially maladjusted, tried to eat the cats, and tried to bite Mr Msanthrope. I am paraphrasing here, but do you get the gist?

It was decided by the Msanthropes that the dog would be better off at an Akita Rescue shelter, where its needs could be addressed in full, and that when TTW got back on her feet and into a place where she could live with Yoshi, she could retrieve him and neither of them would be homeless.

TTW went ballistic and, iirc, filed a police report for theft and tried to sue the people who tried to help her.

I am paraphrasing freely in some parts of this story, and it is incomplete as they did so much more to try to help, so it would be better if you would trawl through this thread and locate the links and read them. SheilaT has offered to PM her collection of links, as well.

Must go. Apologies to all for any inaccuracies.

[Dorian Gray]

330. I remember the WHOLE story

What I was hoping for was her perspective on the abuses TTW heaped on her ex husband when he tried to help. How Yoshi ended up at a rescue. (I can actually see how that may panic TTW.) What kind of communication Msantrhope, her ex and TTW had. And what steps TTW took that were aggravating or abusive toward the people who helped her. That was not very publicly talked about.


It can be dangerous helping someone you don't know well, especially if they are suffering mental, emotional or substance abuse issues.

[msanthrope]

333. When I posted publicly, I was hidden. nt

[Dorian Gray]

335. Ah, that makes sense

Sorry. (I can't believe you were hidden but she wasn't.)

[Stardust]

325. I tried to give Bobblink a laptop (not sure if I'm the only one) and it ended badly.

It's been so long ago and I don't remember the details or what she did to alienate me. I put her on ignore and really didn't follow-up afterwards. I tend try to to put unpleasant encounters behind me, but, yeah, she clearly had issues.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

289. People were not mean to her

When you don't know the backstory, someone calling everyone on DU horrible people who don't give a shit about "real poor people" will not earn you many allies.

[CreekDog]

265. How much money has your PayPal donation link raised since you began fundraising with it a while back

What are you exising on for your livelihood at the moment? What is your income source?

[REP]

269. A tooth extraction here in the San Francisco Bay Area is $80 cash, no Medicaid or Medical

Don't pay $400.00; you're getting ripped off. I've had far too many extractions and trust me, I know how much they cost out here where everything is $$expensive$$. See another dentist. An extraction on a tooth with a root canal is easy-peasy unless the tooth is broken below the gum line.

[PCIntern]

270. If you live near Philly I'll do it for free...

PM me.

[obamanut2012]

271. she is in a philly suburb

[Marrah_G]

273. That is really, really nice of you PC!

That renews my faith in humanity a bit

[Hekate]

274. I'll keep a good thought for you...

....after what happened to her benefactors last year. On the other hand, you might never hear a word.

[frogmarch]

275. Could she sue him if

she claims the extraction didn't go well...or something?

[obamanut2012]

276. of course

Dentists and oral surgeons can be sued for malpractice.

[Hekate]

277. Upthread there's a link to a post by TTW claiming she has dentures and no more dental pain.Dentures.

Yeah, I know.

DU's records are a funny thing, if you know how to search them. They are an excellent aid to memory. After the donnybrook last August I bookmarked a couple of TTW threads for future reference, but I never saw the one about her dentures. This time I am bookmarking this thread as well.

She comes back every so often with a new story; all she wants is cash, not any other kind of assistance or advice, and she has proven to be dangerous to those who get involved in person. (I call an untrained Akita who threatens cats and humans dangerous, and a woman who files a police report on someone trying to help her likewise dangerous.)

My bet is she won't show up at PCIntern's office any time soon, and the story will be that her car broke down (send money) or her dog needs kibble (send money) or she can't use public transportation because of (reasons, but send money).

[AngryOldDem]

280. Yep.

That's why PC should be careful...very careful. No good deed, yadda yadda.

But somehow I think this is all about the money. Call it a hunch.

[obamanut2012]

283. yup

[msanthrope]

279. I'm not saying don't do it. But you might want to speak to me....and my ex.....

before you do. We have professional licenses, too.

[pnwmom]

281. I suspect that offer will be the end of this thread.

You went all out before and many of us were impressed by and appreciative of your effort. Thanks again for trying.

But now we know . . .

[BDize]

321. I agree, it will probably end here or

a new twist will happen where she writes a novella about how she mysteriously came into some money or her dentist decided to pull the tooth without needing to be paid up front and her pain is all gone BUT now she needs money to pay her rent because she's on the verge of being homeless again, and she has nowhere to go and poor Yoshi and her car needs a new transmission yada yada yada.

So please send cash.

[msanthrope]

338. Thank you. nt

[Mother Of Four]

297. I've read back through all the threads -

I am so sorry for everything that happened with that situation.

I posted upthread. I don't want to repost it all in this one so I'll just link to it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027793498#post295

Just so you know. I for one am grateful there are people like you and yours out there. I really hope this whole kerfuffle didn't disuade you from helping others.

[panader0]

286. Very generous offer PC, but don't do it.

TTW will slap a lawsuit on you for whatever reason.

[betsuni]

287. I agree.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

291. Agreed

It would go nowhere, but she will try. She wants money, period.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

290. She won't contact you and she won't accept your generous offer of help despite being in Philly. nt

[gwheezie]

308. Don't be silly

She'd be happy to get free dental care but her car needs a new transmission and it will cost 3k to get it fixed so if everyone can pitch in, she can get her free dental care.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

309. Well, that would need to be a separate thread...

[Dorian Gray]

315. This is a real solution

I hope she takes you up on it.

[Vinca]

317. You're a saint, PC. Make sure there is a witness in the room.

[Baobab]

310. DLPA - an amino acid- helps releive pain

make sure its dlpa. the d part is the enkephalinase inhibitor.

[Godhumor]

323. Oh, you again n/t

[ohheckyeah]

327. I can't believe she just dropped this, although the info

in this thread would make most people drop it, but she's not most people. Thank God.

[Codeine]

331. She dropped in once to argue a post I made

about her dog, then disafuckingppeared. And PCIntern's offer to pull her tooth for free was met with predictable silence.

Grifters gonna grift, tweakers gonna tweak.

[Brother Buzz]

334. She didn't totally disappear after yelling at you

She ran straight right over to the lounge to get the skinny on Game of Thrones because her crappy intermittent internet router wouldn't let her stream it. She was there for over an hour, totally demonstrating what her priorities are.

[BDize]

337. And hasn't returned

to thank anyone for their offers of non monetary help - pointing her to dental schools that will pull her tooth, offering to pay a dentist directly, and most generous of all, a dentist offering to pull the tooth for free.

[nruthie]

328. Good God. Again?

[lpbk2713]

332. Over 18,000 views.

Next time you might want to consider inserting a banner ad in your next " (plea for help) "

[alphafemale]

339. Not this shit again

Why is this person allowed to continue with these increasing bizarre stories to grift here?

Scam artist of high order.