Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:45 AM Sep 2015

It's Al From's Democratic Party..the rest of us just live here. The takeover.

Matt Stoller in 2014 reviewed the new book by Al From, founder of the Democratic Leadership Council.

It’s Al From’s Democratic Party, we just live here.

So who is Al From?

Most people who consider themselves good Democrats don’t know the name Al From, though political insiders certainly do. He was never a cabinet member. He worked in the White House, but in the 1970s, for as a junior staffer for Jimmy Carter’s flailing campaign to stop inflation. He’s never written a famous tell-all book. He hasn’t ever held an elected office, his most high-profile role was as a manager of the domestic policy transition for the White House in 1992, which took just a few months. He doesn’t even have a graduate degree. From fits into that awkward space in American politics, of doer, organizer, activist, convener, a P.T. Barnum of wonks and hacks. Such are the vagaries of American political power, that those who are famous are not always those are the actual architects of power. Because From, a nice, genial, and idealistic business-friendly man, is the structural engineer behind today’s Democratic Party.

To give you a sense of how sprawling From’s legacy actually is, consider the following. Bill Clinton chaired the From’s organization, the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) and used it as a platform to ascend to the Presidency in 1992. His wife Hillary is a DLC proponent. Al Gore and Joe Biden were DLCers. Barack Obama is quietly an adherent to the “New Democrat” philosophy crafted by From, so are most of the people in his cabinet, and the bulk of the Senate Democrats and House Democratic leaders. From 2007–2011, the New Democrats were the swing bloc in the U.S. House of Representatives, authoring legislation on bailouts and financial regulation of derivatives. And given how Democrats still revere Clinton, so are most Democratic voters, at this point. The DLC no longer exists, but has been folded into the Clinton’s mega-foundation, the Clinton Global Initiative, a convening point for the world’s global elite that wants to, or purports to want to, do good. In other words, it’s Al From’s Democratic Party, we just live here.


Some say that the Third Way is the new DLC.

Probably some truth in both.

An excerpt from Al From's book about how they got started.

Recruiting Bill Clinton

A little after four o’clock on the afternoon of April 6, 1989, I walked into the office of Governor Bill Clinton on the second floor of the Arkansas State Capitol in Little Rock.

“I’ve got a deal for you,” I told Clinton after a few minutes of political chitchat. “If you agree to become chairman of the DLC, we’ll pay for your travel around the country, we’ll work together on an agenda, and I think you’ll be president one day and we’ll both be important.” With that proposition, Clinton agreed to become chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council, and our partnership was born. With Clinton as its leader, the New Democrat movement that sprung from the DLC over the next decade would change the course of the Democratic Party in the United States and of progressive center-left parties around the world.

....Though Clinton came from a conservative state and knew how to communicate with the moderate and conservative voters Democrats needed to win back, he was also well-regarded among liberals—and so would help the DLC broaden its appeal in all but the most extreme-left parts of the party. Appealing to a broader spectrum of the Democratic Party was important for the DLC, and for me personally. Though the political shorthand had always referred to the DLC as moderate or conservative Democrats, our ideas were really about modernizing liberalism and defining a new progressive center for our party, not simply pushing it further to the right. Coming from the center-left of the party, I was tired of having the DLC labeled as conservative. I decided to call our think tank the Progressive Policy Institute because I thought it would be harder for reporters to label it as the “conservative Progressive Policy Institute.


From includes a memo he sent Clinton while urging him to take the chairmanship of the DLC.

Sam Nunn has taken his meeting with you in December and your statements to me in early January as a commitment that you would take the chairmanship, and is expecting to pass the gavel to you in New Orleans. But every signal I’ve gotten from you in the last month indicates you’re still up in the air. That ambivalence is a killer for us as we prepare for New Orleans.

I believe you are the right person for the DLC job—and the DLC job is the right job for you. We have the opportunity to redefine the Democratic Party during the next two years. If our efforts lead to a presidential candidacy—whether for you or someone else—we can take over the party, as well.


And history shows they DID take over the party.

At the national convention of a major political party, an ideologically rigid sectarian clique secures the ultimate triumph. It inserts two of its own as nominees for the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. Heavily financed by the most powerful corporations in the world, the group's leaders gather in a private club fifty-four floors above the convention hall, apart from the delegates of the party they had infiltrated. There, they carefully monitor the convention's acceptance of a platform the organization had drafted almost in its entirety. Then, with the ticket secured and with the policy course of the party set, they introduce a team of 100 shock troops to deploy across the country to lock up the party's grassroots.

This is not some fantastic political thriller starring Harrison Ford or Sharon Stone. This is the real-life version of Invasion of the Party Snatchers--with the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) burrowing into the pod that is the Democratic Party.


There was an article in the Washington Post in 2003. Can't even find the original in the Wayback Machine, but I saved most of the article.

The 'D' in DLC Doesn't Stand for Dean (David Von Drehle, May 15, 2003, Washington Post)

More than 50 centrist Democrats, including Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, met here yesterday to plot strategy for the "New Democrat" movement. To help get the ball rolling they read a memo by Al From and Bruce Reed, the chairman and president of the Democratic Leadership Council. The memo dismissed Dean as an elitist liberal from the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party -- "the wing that lost 49 states in two elections, and transformed Democrats from a strong national party into a much weaker regional one."

"It is a shame that the DLC is trying to divide the party along these lines," said Dean spokesman Joe Trippi. "Governor Dean's record as a centrist on health care and balancing the budget speaks for itself."

As founder of the DLC, From has been pushing the Democratic Party to the right for nearly 20 years. He was in tall cotton, philosophically speaking, when an early leader of the DLC, Bill Clinton, was elected president in 1992. As Clinton's domestic policy guru, Reed pushed New Democrat ideas -- such as welfare reform -- that were often unpopular with party liberals.

"We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote. "Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."


When the Democrats through the DLC became beholden to big money and power, there was really no place left for the rest of us. The money and power folks did not need to stand for the lesser of us in the party. They did not have to take positions which would benefit us.

The power grab was described by one DLC member as the "intellectual leveraged buyout" of the party.

The Wise Geek says that a leveraged buyout is also known as a hostile takeover.

A leveraged buyout is a tactic through which control of a corporation is acquired by buying up a majority of their stock using borrowed money. It may also be referred to as a hostile takeover, a highly-leveraged transaction, or a bootstrap transaction. Once control is acquired, the company is often made private, so that the new owners have more leeway to do what they want with it. This may involve splitting up the corporation and selling the pieces of it for a high profit, or liquidating its assets and dissolving the corporation itself.












136 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
It's Al From's Democratic Party..the rest of us just live here. The takeover. (Original Post) madfloridian Sep 2015 OP
"ideologically rigid sectarian..." villager Sep 2015 #1
Best thing I've seen on DU in a long time. leveymg Sep 2015 #2
..... madfloridian Sep 2015 #4
Excellent post! Mr. Evil Sep 2015 #111
I concur; however, ... . emsimon33 Sep 2015 #19
Agreed. Excellent post. Required reading Euphoria Sep 2015 #27
Thank you. madfloridian Sep 2015 #37
We knew something was wrong with our party for a long time. I remember encountering sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #40
What angers me so is that it was a planned takeover. madfloridian Sep 2015 #116
Yes, it apparently was cynically planned without even considering Democrats at all. And then sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #117
That *they* were financed well. That *they* had the $$ backers. delrem Sep 2015 #123
K & R. This information is very helpful for understanding what's happened in the last 20 years appalachiablue Sep 2015 #3
We are about in the same place. madfloridian Sep 2015 #5
The discontent and differing philosphies of the two factions of the party are growing day by day. appalachiablue Sep 2015 #10
The People, on both sides of the aisle, are disgusted with 'politics as usual.' CrispyQ Sep 2015 #62
Time for a new artislife Sep 2015 #6
Past time. madfloridian Sep 2015 #8
Exactly. Been thinking that for a long time, Dems have to infiltrate their own party and I think sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #41
I don't think we knew because there was no internet back then. madfloridian Sep 2015 #129
The Koch Brothers tie in bl968 Sep 2015 #7
Let me underscore: It was not only Koch money. Two Koch employees sat on the board of the DLC. merrily Sep 2015 #22
I wonder how many of the other DLC Board members were part of the Koch network. hedda_foil Sep 2015 #73
Madfloridian. ,Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for this fantastic post. You rock! hedda_foil Sep 2015 #74
Hi, hedda...I think the book came out just last year. Sounds like he owns our party. madfloridian Sep 2015 #84
I don't know the answer to your question. merrily Sep 2015 #80
hedda, I still have quotes from a post of yours in 2002... madfloridian Sep 2015 #130
That's amazing, madflo. I like what you did with it. hedda_foil Sep 2015 #131
Yep, that's when the party started it's corruption addiction then with the Kochaine Koolaid! cascadiance Sep 2015 #104
Excellent OP! dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #9
Well said. Duppers Sep 2015 #12
+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #15
Not just the rot of our party. The rot of our country. NAFTA, jwirr Sep 2015 #47
Completely agree! dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #124
Thank you. I wish I was able to write good enough to do a jwirr Sep 2015 #125
K & RRRR! Required reading for we on "The Professional Left" Duppers Sep 2015 #11
Fucking r****ds was even better. And the apology went to Palin, not the intended targets of the merrily Sep 2015 #23
They had lots of labels for the Left, and among their favorite attacks whenever anyone sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #42
This: I believe the Third Way despises the Left far, far more than they despise the Right. --nt CrispyQ Sep 2015 #63
There is evidence that the 3rd Way "Centrists" would rather give a Congressional seat bvar22 Sep 2015 #100
Yes, they really do. We threaten their "bipartisanship" dreams. madfloridian Sep 2015 #65
Yes, all that 'compromising' and 'bi-partisanship' with people who are so extreme never sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #70
Of course they do. They can manipulate the Right but not the Far Left. Some are too easily rhett o rick Sep 2015 #102
Cass Sunstein always preached "harmony", be nice, don't go after war criminals... madfloridian Sep 2015 #133
Because we are not the professional politicians. We are just ordinary people. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #60
I cringe whenever I hear someone call them conservatives. CrispyQ Sep 2015 #64
It's gonna take a LONG time to purge the party of these people. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #13
We better get started. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #16
Yep...we have a lot of work to do!!! haikugal Sep 2015 #39
I'm so bloody sick of the Clintons. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #53
2010 was a good start Oilwellian Sep 2015 #57
K&R Paka Sep 2015 #14
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #17
Miserable conniving rat bastards that willingly sacrifice the rest of us. Fucking Elitists indeed! Ford_Prefect Sep 2015 #18
A must read for all Democrats. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #20
Its interesting how they believed if Bill became President that they could reform the entire Party. stillwaiting Sep 2015 #21
Well, in Congress, as an Indie, he managed to accomplish more than Hillary did as a Dem. merrily Sep 2015 #24
Good point. Those who say that Bernie didn't accomplish anything in Congress are 1 of 2 things. nt stillwaiting Sep 2015 #25
Uninformed or lying? merrily Sep 2015 #26
Yes, our focus must remain on getting Bernie elected because jwirr Sep 2015 #49
Moderate Republicans from the 1980s, perhaps? merrily Sep 2015 #50
Yes, Reagan Democrats!!! jwirr Sep 2015 #52
Compassionate conservatives? Even though I want Bernie to be the nominee, merrily Sep 2015 #56
I never accepted nor will, any brow beating from Third Wayers, we KNEW our party had been sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #43
Lies in the OP. There is no McGovern Mondale wing of any Party. Mondale was centrist. merrily Sep 2015 #28
Not my lies, their lies? madfloridian Sep 2015 #31
No, no madfloridian. Not your lies. NEVER yours. In the material of others quoted in your OP. merrily Sep 2015 #46
I knew you meant that...just kidding. madfloridian Sep 2015 #72
I think you have it backward: Maedhros Sep 2015 #91
Fixed. I meant to say the more say we the people have, the less the country will go right. merrily Sep 2015 #115
Great, great piece, mad! in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #29
And don't forget, War for Profit and Imperialism. sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #44
Your list is great...spot on. madfloridian Sep 2015 #108
So, what I "felt" happening fredamae Sep 2015 #30
Seems the guy thinks ''Liberal'' is a bad word. Octafish Sep 2015 #32
Yes, From wrote this piece about charter schools in 2000. madfloridian Sep 2015 #33
Al From's charter school hogwash, then, sounds just like Jeb Bush's today. seafan Sep 2015 #82
Wow seafan, coming from you that means a lot. Yes, it does sound like Jeb Bush. madfloridian Sep 2015 #83
Al of a piece. Octafish Sep 2015 #90
Octafish, more on that education reform stuff... madfloridian Sep 2015 #34
Walton Foundation comes in here... Octafish Sep 2015 #92
Do you think that DLC/Third Way types laugh when unions endorse them? stillwaiting Sep 2015 #48
I think you are right. jwirr Sep 2015 #55
Al the Way to the Bank Octafish Sep 2015 #93
Very good point regarding Unions. jwirr Sep 2015 #51
Unions need money also. I know teachers' AFT got millions from Gates for ed reform. madfloridian Sep 2015 #81
Yeah, I have three Union members in my family and they do jwirr Sep 2015 #89
Solidarity brought down the Polish communist government. Octafish Sep 2015 #95
I know that the Union is stronger than people think it is. jwirr Sep 2015 #97
Awesome post! FloriTexan Sep 2015 #35
Hi, glad to be informative. madfloridian Sep 2015 #36
Thank you for this!! haikugal Sep 2015 #38
Thank you, excellent post! dae Sep 2015 #45
essential reading, k&r NuttyFluffers Sep 2015 #54
Thank you for posting, madfloridian Oilwellian Sep 2015 #58
Thanks. K& R. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #59
The Centrists have "Third Way", and the Progressives have "MoveON" brooklynite Sep 2015 #61
We are fighting for that right now. Asking that all voices be heard on equal platforms... madfloridian Sep 2015 #66
MoveOn and The Third Way are not even comparable. TM99 Sep 2015 #77
If they're not comparable, maybe you should start an advocacy group that is? brooklynite Sep 2015 #87
Please don't the insulting "real world" theme here. It's a put down. madfloridian Sep 2015 #88
Because he agrees with it? ibegurpard Sep 2015 #98
MoveOn is a part of the Democratic Party Organization Chart. Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #109
MoveOn has to do with us Progresive Activists? Exactly how? truedelphi Sep 2015 #94
2001 Al From blamed Gore's loss on Bush painting him as liberal. madfloridian Sep 2015 #67
And he chose a VP candidate who eventually became a republican arcane1 Sep 2015 #126
Or to be perfectly honest, already acted like a Republican. madfloridian Sep 2015 #128
filed under: "stuff every Democrat should know" . . . . . . n/t annabanana Sep 2015 #68
Great Post! NonMetro Sep 2015 #69
"The Democratic Party of FDR and JFK ended in 1992." madfloridian Sep 2015 #75
Thanks! NonMetro Sep 2015 #78
In fairness, Carter, though a wonderful ex-prez, ushered in deregulation RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #103
Clinton basically undid The New Deal, deceiving the majority of the Democratic Party. As Thom Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #71
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #76
Sam Nunn: "Now we are viewed as the brains of the party." madfloridian Sep 2015 #79
Al From wasn't really honest in his book about HOW the DCL got started. bvar22 Sep 2015 #85
Al is tooting his own horn. madfloridian Sep 2015 #86
Thanks Bvar. it is always so worthwhile to see posts from truedelphi Sep 2015 #96
I like Al From. He's a good man. Yes, he has corporatist ideals, but the Democratic Party probably NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #99
Never said they were bad people. I said they are in control of the party. That's wrong. madfloridian Sep 2015 #106
I understand. Southerners like Henry, Bredesen need to have bigger voices in the party. NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #113
None of that allays this bogeyman for them Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #107
There that's condescending tone again, Capn. I did not say any of those things. madfloridian Sep 2015 #110
We know full well what the DLC and the Third Way are all about. They are not here to help the 99% rhett o rick Sep 2015 #112
I guess you missed the part where I mentioned they are done? Over? Closed? Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #118
And they all died along with their ideology. Really? nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #119
I honestly thought From was Dead. Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #120
And you are certain their are no "bogymen" because everything is perfect in the Land of Status Quo. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #122
Tsongas was actually a lot more fiscally conservative than Clinton was. StevieM Sep 2015 #121
DURec leftstreet Sep 2015 #101
Deep Thanks to Mad Floridian McKim Sep 2015 #105
a must read G_j Sep 2015 #114
A kick and the 201st rec! arcane1 Sep 2015 #127
Yet, we're told we must vote for these kind of people because they have a (D) after their name. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #132
Kick bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #134
Giving this thread a kick for the evening crowd mrdmk Apr 2016 #135
Thanks for this research! YellowMango Jun 2016 #136
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. "ideologically rigid sectarian..."
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:48 AM
Sep 2015

Yup.

You see that among many who still, for some reason, consider themselves part of an "underground..."

Mr. Evil

(2,808 posts)
111. Excellent post!
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:30 PM
Sep 2015

Thanks so much for the information. Functioning minds can never have too much of that. This presidential election could be the one that breaks the election cycle merry-go-round of accepting and voting for the nominee based solely that it is 'their turn.' You've shed some very important light on what Sen. Sanders is up against. Keep the info coming and we'll spread the word!

Go, Bernie Go!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
37. Thank you.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:19 AM
Sep 2015

I get very discouraged sometimes at the tone around here lately. What angers me the most is that the move to the right as a takeover was planned every step of the way. They are not letting go easily.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. We knew something was wrong with our party for a long time. I remember encountering
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:26 AM
Sep 2015

some of those 'shock troops' early in the Bush years and could not believe they were democrats, as they claimed to be. They were all over Dem forums, bullying and personally attacking actual Dems, worse attacks btw, than I had experienced from the Right at the time.

So they used Dem forums to plant their 'seeds' for the 'New Democratic Party'. But people were not fooled, we knew the party had been infiltrated.

However it's good to have the actual background. We don't see so many deniarls that the Third Way actually exists anymore. Too much proof now to seriously deny it.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
116. What angers me so is that it was a planned takeover.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:01 AM
Sep 2015

Not caring about the party's constituents, but about being financed well.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
117. Yes, it apparently was cynically planned without even considering Democrats at all. And then
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:35 AM
Sep 2015

ATTACKING good democrats KNOWING they were right when the began to questions what was going on. No wonder they are comfortable with someone like David Brock, but obviously despise Left Democrats, both candidates AND voters.

There needs to be huge pushback against this takeover, and anyone who doesn't help do so, imo, is part of it from now on.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
123. That *they* were financed well. That *they* had the $$ backers.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:10 PM
Sep 2015

To "fight" Reagan and the vicious turn to the right, trickle down, war profiteering, and unregulated plunder, run TO THE RIGHT of Reagan, promise even fatter profits and all with a good conscience because lip service is paid to "social issues", so that lip service can be used to maximum advantage in identity politics.

appalachiablue

(41,102 posts)
3. K & R. This information is very helpful for understanding what's happened in the last 20 years
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:11 AM
Sep 2015

and where we are now with the party as a whole and the DNC position in particular. Thanks for the OP.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
5. We are about in the same place.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:21 AM
Sep 2015

The same attitudes are showing again, and I think maybe a showdown of sorts is coming.

You can't do a hostile takeover and then tell the members they can have no say. It may work for a little while, but not forever.

appalachiablue

(41,102 posts)
10. The discontent and differing philosphies of the two factions of the party are growing day by day.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:06 AM
Sep 2015

Some resolution must be reached sooner than later to tone down the friction I hope. Right now DWS' obstinate attitude in the face of wide opposition to the debate restrictions is damaging relations and fueling the serious issue of the possibility of loosing the GE if matters don't change. I don't like what's going on and am concerned in many ways.

CrispyQ

(36,410 posts)
62. The People, on both sides of the aisle, are disgusted with 'politics as usual.'
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:45 PM
Sep 2015


A hostile take over of our government by big business with the help of sell out politicians. I feel like I have taxation without representation. I have a choice of an economy that works only for the 1% that allows abortion & gay marriage, or an economy that works only for the 1% that doesn't allow those things. Either way, I'm looking at bread lines in my later years.

And I think it's fucking creepy that grown men are taking so much interest in women's reproductive lives. It's creepy & it's perverted. And I have friends who vote for them.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
41. Exactly. Been thinking that for a long time, Dems have to infiltrate their own party and I think
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:29 AM
Sep 2015

it began during the last two midterms, mostly starting at the local levels.

Who on earth ever allowed a person like From to have so much power over our system? There has to have been a serious flaw in the systrem itself in order for this to be possible. Such flaws will have to be fixed to make sure it never happens again once the people take back control of their party.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
129. I don't think we knew because there was no internet back then.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:22 PM
Sep 2015

At least not one available to the general public. We only knew what the media or our party chose to tell us.

bl968

(360 posts)
7. The Koch Brothers tie in
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:45 AM
Sep 2015

Lets not forget the Koch Brothers were a big contributor to the DLC.


But, here’s a key piece of information: the Kochs haven’t just given to right-wingers. Back in April of 2001, The American Prospect’s Bob Dreyfuss reported that the Kochs also funded the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC):

And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC’s executive council, including Aetna, AT&T;, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC’s executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively–meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000.

The DLC board of trustees is an elite body whose membership is reserved for major donors, and many of the trustees are financial wheeler-dealers who run investment companies and capital management firms–though senior executives from a handful of corporations, such as Koch, Aetna, and Coca-Cola, are included.


http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html
http://prospect.org/article/how-dlc-does-it

merrily

(45,251 posts)
22. Let me underscore: It was not only Koch money. Two Koch employees sat on the board of the DLC.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:44 AM
Sep 2015

hedda_foil

(16,370 posts)
73. I wonder how many of the other DLC Board members were part of the Koch network.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:47 PM
Sep 2015

Is there a list available of the attendees/donors at the annual Kochfests of political influence and legalized bribery? I bet there is quite a bit of overlap, and that's without even considering Alec.

I wonder who designed the strategy for the Koch boys. I don't think they came up with it out of the blue. Someone(s) planned it out and presented it to them.

hedda_foil

(16,370 posts)
74. Madfloridian. ,Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for this fantastic post. You rock!
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:13 PM
Sep 2015
[Center][Font size="70" color="red"]THANK YOU!!!![/font][/center]

You just put it all together for me with the review of From's memoir. That piece is must read for sure. So are the older articles, of course, but I somehow missed the fact that From, the purifying turd™™, had produced a memoir.

Many of us naively thought, because the DLC went out of business when Obama came in, that perhaps we had won. Of course, that's due to the fact that they had transformed the party so the DemocratIc party, itself, was indistinguishable from the DLC.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
84. Hi, hedda...I think the book came out just last year. Sounds like he owns our party.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:09 PM
Sep 2015

And that angers me so much.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
104. Yep, that's when the party started it's corruption addiction then with the Kochaine Koolaid!
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 08:33 PM
Sep 2015


The DLC vampires are now sucking the blood out of this party and the American people too in the process...



They think we won't notice, but we have the right glasses on!

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
9. Excellent OP!
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:05 AM
Sep 2015

For me, this is the story of the rot at the heart of our party. It is playing out in real-time in the Sanders - Clinton primary, but it's far larger than just this one primary, it's the very essence of what, and who, our party actually works for. Corporate wolves in donkey clothing.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
47. Not just the rot of our party. The rot of our country. NAFTA,
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:52 AM
Sep 2015

welfare reform, tough on crime laws, the communications act, Glass-Steagall, for profit prisons, for profit healthcare plans, TPP, and a hell of a lot more.

Thank you Madflorida. Your time away was well spent in researching where we are at now.

How do we get the word out? This is not a small piece that can be posted on facebook and expect people to read it. I think one of the best ways to get this out there is to write a book that will hit the college campus and be discussed in classrooms. Also people like Ed Schultz and Thom Hartmann.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
124. Completely agree!
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:00 PM
Sep 2015

Your list is my list, right on, all of those things are enabled by DLC third-way types. When there's no opposing force from our party, the sole area of intersection between the parties, which is the place where things get done, is the area of corporate interest.

Are you a book writer? Seems like a good idea. There are probably good books already out there that chronicle this history that MF is bringing up, though I haven't read any. Writing one specifically to tell that tale could do a lot of good.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
125. Thank you. I wish I was able to write good enough to do a
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:14 PM
Sep 2015

book.

But you are correct during the early bush reign a lot of really good books were being used on college campuses that told us what was happening. It woke a lot of people up and we need that again with what is going on now.

So here is a call to all those Bernie supporters who can write - give us some really good books that are simple to read regarding what is happening and Bernie's revolution.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
11. K & RRRR! Required reading for we on "The Professional Left"
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:19 AM
Sep 2015

I'll never forgive them for that label!

Excellent post! Thank you, madfloridian.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
23. Fucking r****ds was even better. And the apology went to Palin, not the intended targets of the
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:47 AM
Sep 2015

obscenity. And then, we dutifully lined up again in 2012 to re-elect that administration.

But Hillary is no Obama. Hillary is not even Bubba.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
42. They had lots of labels for the Left, and among their favorite attacks whenever anyone
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:32 AM
Sep 2015

told the truth was the Cass Sunstein suggestion 'Conspiracy Theorist', 'undermine them by calling them 'CTS'. Now we have to make sure they are exposed and all their talking points, for which I'm sure Koch money was used, against the Left, thrown back in their greedy, power hungry faces.

I believe the Third Way despises the Left far, far more than they despise the Right.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
100. There is evidence that the 3rd Way "Centrists" would rather give a Congressional seat
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 08:05 PM
Sep 2015

to a Republican, than to let a Pro-Union Democrat have a chance at winning it.

The Arkansas Democratic Primary of 2010 was a heart breaking eye opener for the Grass Roots and Organized LABOR. We were given a Look Behind the Curtain,
and it wasn't very pretty.

[font size=3]We did EVERYTHING right in Arkansas in 2010.
We did EXACTLY what the White House asked us to do to "give the President Progressives in Congress that would work with him."[/font]

We organized and supported Democratic Lt Governor Bill Halter, the Pro-LABOR/ Pro-Health Care challenger to DINO Obstructionist Blanche Lincoln's Senate seat.
Halter was:

* Polling BETTER against the Republicans in the General,

*was popular in Arkansas in his OWN right,

*had an Up & Running Political machine,

* had a track record of winning elections (Lt. Governor)

*Had the full backing of Organized LABOR and The Grass Roots activists

*was handing Blanche her Anti-LABOR ass

...and we were WINNING!

Guess what happened.

The White House stepped in at the last minute to save Blanche's failing primary campaign with an Oval Office Endorsement of The Wicked Witch that Wrecked the Obama Agenda who was actually campaigning at that time as the one who had killed the Public Option!!!

Adding insult to injury, the White House sent Bill Clinton back to Arkansas on a state-wide Campaign/Fund Raising Tour for Blanche,
focusing on the areas with high Black Populations, and bashing Organized LABOR and "Liberals" at every opportunity.

For those of us who had worked hard to give President Obama Progressive Democrats who would work with him, it was especially difficult to watch his smiling Oval Office Endorsement for DINO Blanche Lincoln which played 24/7 on Arkansas TV the week before the runoff Primary election.

White House steps in to rescue Lincoln’s Primary Campaign in Arkansas

"So what did the Democratic Party establishment do when a Senator who allegedly impedes their agenda faced a primary challenger who would be more supportive of that agenda? They engaged in full-scale efforts to support Blanche Lincoln.

* Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure.

*Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests.

*The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln — a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just don’t have the votes for.

<snip>

What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse we’ve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesn’t have 60 votes to pass good legislation, it’s not Obama’s fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face.

Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you don’t support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but we’ll support a primary challenger against you. Obama’s support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"

<much more>

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/


After the White House and Party Leadership had spent a truck full of money torpedoing the Primary challenge of a Pro-LABOR Democrat for Lincoln's Senate seat, the Party support for Lincoln evaporated for the General Election, and as EVERYBODY had predicted, Lincoln lost badly giving that Senate seat to a Republican virtually uncontested in the General Election.

Don't you find it "interesting" that the Party Establishment and conservative Power Brokers would spend all that money in a Democratic Primary to make sure that their candidate won, and then leave Their Winner dangling without support in the General Election?

Many Grass Roots Activists and Pro-LABOR Democrats working for a better government concluded that the current Democratic Party Leadership preferred to GIVE this Senate Seat to a Big Business Republican rather than taking the risk that a Pro-LABOR Democrat might win it, and it was difficult to argue with them.
This was greatly reinforced by the Insults & Ridicule to LABOR & The Grass Roots from the White House after their Primary "victory" over Organized LABOR & the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.

When the supporters of Pro-LABOR Lt Gov Bill Halter asked the White House WHY they had chosen to throw their full support behind Lincoln at the last minute, rescuing her failing campaign, the only answer was ridicule and insults.

Ed Schultz sums up my feeling perfectly in the following clip.
http://crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-if-it-wasnt-labor-barack-obama-

So what did the White House gain by Beating Down Labor and the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary?
We don't know.
The White House has never responded to our questions with an explanation, only insults.
To date, the White House has refused to answer our questions,
or issue an apology for their taunts and ridicule of Organized LABOR and the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
70. Yes, all that 'compromising' and 'bi-partisanship' with people who are so extreme never
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:42 PM
Sep 2015

made sense the Left so they couldn't force us to go along and used every nasty epithet they could think of without giving themselves away totally, they THOUGHT, to lash out.

We should compile a list of their anti-Left talking points and send around Social Media so people KNOW who they are dealing with when they see these words and phrases.

Starting with 'I belong to the Reality Based Community' and the implication being 'and you Lefties don't.'

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
102. Of course they do. They can manipulate the Right but not the Far Left. Some are too easily
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 08:27 PM
Sep 2015

fooled. While they point an laugh at the Clown Car Republicons, the DLC/Third Way is picking their pockets.

So why do people calling themselves good Democrats support Clinton? Is it denial or they fall for the propaganda? "We will support same sex marriage if you let us steal all your wealth."

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
133. Cass Sunstein always preached "harmony", be nice, don't go after war criminals...
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:17 PM
Sep 2015
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2385

Netroots face bipartisan attacks on the rule of law.

"Politicians, legal experts and progressive activists grappled with Republican abuses of power at the third annual netroots convention on Friday, debating how an Obama Administration might restore the rule of law. Cass Sunstein, an adviser to Barack Obama from the University of Chicago Law School, cautioned against prosecuting criminal conduct from the current Administration. Prosecuting government officials risks a "cycle" of criminalizing public service, he argued, and Democrats should avoid replicating retributive efforts like the impeachment of President Clinton--or even the "slight appearance" of it. Update: Sunstein emailed to emphasize that he also said and believes that "egregious crimes should not be ignored."


Define "egregious"...Mr. Sunstein. Or ask someone like Don Siegelman.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
60. Because we are not the professional politicians. We are just ordinary people.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:21 PM
Sep 2015

The problem with our denocracy today is the professional propagandists and liars on the right who claim to be moderate.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
21. Its interesting how they believed if Bill became President that they could reform the entire Party.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:18 AM
Sep 2015

And they DID (with very few exceptions).

Around here we are constantly brow-beated with "WHAT could Bernie accomplish if he were elected President?" I'd say that Al From and Bill Clinton knew that the Presidency gave an individual the power to reform the overall Party. So, THAT'S what.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. Well, in Congress, as an Indie, he managed to accomplish more than Hillary did as a Dem.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:51 AM
Sep 2015

And not only a Dem, but a former First Lady Dem whose husband was still head of the Party and who had plenty of buddies and contacts and juice, in Congress, the DNC and elsewhere.

I mean, Sanders is running against Hillary, not everyone in the rest of the world. So comparing their two performances is the issue, not Sanders against some unspecified imaginary standard or some dead President.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
49. Yes, our focus must remain on getting Bernie elected because
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:01 PM
Sep 2015

that is the first step in fixing this mess. Maybe the DLC traitors will split off from the party and start calling themselves what they are - republicans.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
56. Compassionate conservatives? Even though I want Bernie to be the nominee,
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:48 PM
Sep 2015

I would love to listen to Jeb! and Hillary debate.

In one of the videos about Presidential debates that leftcoastmountain posted, the statement is made that the 2000 Presidential debates were probably the "most agreeable" in the history of Presidential debates (the history of the televised debates, I assume). The the video shows clip after clip of Gore and Dimson agreeing with each other on important issue after important issue.

I love the total disconnects, too. In one breath, Poster A will say that Hillary is as liberal or even more liberal than Sanders and Obama is a liberal. In the next breath, the same poster will say that liberals are not electable. smh

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. I never accepted nor will, any brow beating from Third Wayers, we KNEW our party had been
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:37 AM
Sep 2015

infiltrated and their talking points and personal attacks on the Left totally gave them away. Watch how angry they become when people use the term 'Third Way'. They started out calling it a 'CT' but people were not about to let anyone deny the existence of this Right Wing group within our party, that is why they are now so desperate. Voters refused to elect their Third Way candidats in two mid terms now, mainly because contrary to their arrogant beliefs, the people are NOT stupid.

And now their plot to take over the party has been thoroughly exposed, their tactics don't work so well anymore.

No one should leave the party, though many have, it is the People's Party and we should make sure that if anyone leaves, it is those who plotted and succeeded in turning it into Republican Lite.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. Lies in the OP. There is no McGovern Mondale wing of any Party. Mondale was centrist.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 08:22 AM
Sep 2015

Last edited Wed Sep 23, 2015, 03:23 AM - Edit history (1)

I recently started to say to an older woman, "They say Mondale lost because he was a liberal, but". That was as far as I got because she laughed right over me and said, "Mondale was not a liberal." Wiki describes him as centrist. His policies were centrist.

Those elections were not lost because either candidate was a liberals. Before McGovern was even nominated, Democrats knew whoever ran against Nixon was going to lose. Reagan was a phenom of a candidate; the Carter-Mondale administration was troubled. Anyway, it's neither 1972 nor 1980.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=3950141 (woo me with science: It's not 1972 anymore.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778825 (demwing: This ain't 1972).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778872 ("What about Mondale?" indeed: Candidate Reagan)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778873 ("What about Mondale?" indeed: 1976-1980)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779277 ("What about Mondale?" indeed: Walter Mondale)

Oh, and Carter did not lose the election because Kennedy challenged him. Kennedy challenged Carter because Carter was going to lose the election. Had Kennedy won that primary, with the way that the Kennedys were revered then, the chances of a Democratic win would have been much greater.



The memes we are fed take the country right because that is what they are designed to do. And they are undemocratic, because the more say we the people have, the less the country will go right. Reject these plutocratic, undemocratic memes at every turn.



madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
31. Not my lies, their lies?
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:05 AM
Sep 2015

We have been fed a steady diet of BS and spin for years, using the words liberal or fringe. Or even elite used in a mocking way.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
72. I knew you meant that...just kidding.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:09 PM
Sep 2015

They have done so much of it they have to stop and think what they are all about.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
91. I think you have it backward:
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:51 PM
Sep 2015

The more say that "We the People" have, the more the country will go left.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
115. Fixed. I meant to say the more say we the people have, the less the country will go right.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 03:25 AM
Sep 2015

I must have typed the original post on Opposite Day.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
29. Great, great piece, mad!
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 08:47 AM
Sep 2015

"I was tired of having the DLC labeled as conservative. I decided to call our think tank the Progressive Policy Institute because I thought it would be harder for reporters to label it as the “conservative Progressive Policy Institute.”

And THAT is why when the Third Way Hillary supporters profess themselves to be "Progressive", we know they aren't. Not even close.

You cannot support:
Fracking
TPP
XL pipeline
Big Banks
Prisons for profits
Wall St. Over Main St.
Destruction of our education system
Citizens United
Corporations buying our government
Corporate tax loopholes

And call yourselves Progressive, because you're not!

Thanks for the great post! K & R!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
108. Your list is great...spot on.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:28 PM
Sep 2015
You cannot support:
Fracking
TPP
XL pipeline
Big Banks
Prisons for profits
Wall St. Over Main St.
Destruction of our education system
Citizens United
Corporations buying our government
Corporate tax loopholes

And call yourselves Progressive, because you're not!


Amen to that.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
30. So, what I "felt" happening
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 08:50 AM
Sep 2015

all those years was true, after-all. Well, that Sucks!
Thank you for this post!

Edit: I know most everyone here has already watched this...but it just seems appropriate here again:

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. Seems the guy thinks ''Liberal'' is a bad word.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:07 AM
Sep 2015

Al's entry in SourceWatch details his affiliations, including his support for Charter Schools.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Al_From

One thing that unites these DLC/Third Way types is their absolute disregard for unions. It may be more than the chintziness. Unions represent potentially organized opposition.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
33. Yes, From wrote this piece about charter schools in 2000.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:20 AM
Sep 2015
http://www.educationreport.org/2693

From argues that the public school system too often serves the interests of teachers and administrators at the expense of the students themselves. It is a "monopolistic" system that "offers a 'one-size-fits-hardly-anyone' model that strangles excellence and innovation" he says.

Characterizing charter schools as "oases of innovation," From writes, "The time has come to bring life to the rest of the desert-by introducing the same forces of choice and competition to every public school in America."

From also says Democrats should work to redefine the very notion of public education itself.

seafan

(9,387 posts)
82. Al From's charter school hogwash, then, sounds just like Jeb Bush's today.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:00 PM
Sep 2015

Madfloridian, what you've posted is one of the most important pieces I have seen here lately, that describes EXACTLY how the DLC/Third Wayers/Blue Dogs/Triangulators infiltrated the Democratic Party, starting in the late 80s and have since so bastardized what our party once stood for, one that was for all the people. It was the party of lifting everyone up.

We are in for the mother of all battles to clean out this party and return it to The People. And it's one that we are not afraid to fight.

My hat is off to you, Madflo, for this very timely piece, in a time when all of us want and need to know "how we got here". Thank you.

Only by understanding that, can we do what's necessary to reclaim our party and to determine who we want to lead it.






madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
83. Wow seafan, coming from you that means a lot. Yes, it does sound like Jeb Bush.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:07 PM
Sep 2015

Thanks for the kind words. You have contributed so much good stuff to DU that I am pleased at your compliment.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
90. Al of a piece.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:45 PM
Sep 2015

Anti union. Anti public education. Anti democratic.

Al works with the "other side," the same people who brought us voodoo economics and worked to "eliminate" the Department of Education. The Captain of that Tyrannic wrote about his experiences.



And they go back to 1981 and the installation of Pruneface I where those who got smart, got along; and those who asked, WTF, got the ziggy at the ballot box or wherever.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
34. Octafish, more on that education reform stuff...
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:31 AM
Sep 2015
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/recruiting-bill-clinton/281946/

Clinton loved to talk about ideas, and he had a striking ability to explain the most complicated concepts clearly.

He was not afraid to challenge old orthodoxies. In the early 1980s, long before I knew him, he and Hillary Clinton pushed cutting-edge education reforms, like pay for performance and public-school choice, against the opposition of the powerful Arkansas Education Association. Speaking about education in his Philadelphia speech, Clinton said the Democratic Party was “good at doing more. We are not so good at doing things differently, and doing them better, particularly when we have to attack the established ideas and forces which have been good to us and close to us. We are prone, I think, to programmatic solutions as against those which change structure, reassert basic values or make individual connections with children.”


So the reforms were in their mind early on....and they are happening live in real time today.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
92. Walton Foundation comes in here...
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:56 PM
Sep 2015

...for meaningful change. From unions. From education. From thinkers. From free people.



SOURCE: http://www.muckety.com/Alvin-From/26918.muckety

Waltons mean Jackson Stephens who means BCCI and we know what that spells.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
93. Al the Way to the Bank
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:03 PM
Sep 2015

As with Public Education, they "reformed" the anti-Bankster parts of the New Deal in the name of "deregulation for competitiveness." Thus, they repealed Glass-Steagall to create oases of innovation in "Wealth Management" such as the nice one at UBS, a unit headed by vice chairman ex-Sen. Phil Gramm, who hired both ex-President Bill Clinton and and ex-pretzeldent George w Bush.

http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

Goes back to the ever increasing transfer of wealth from those who create it to those who loot it seemingly brought about by voodoo, but really just another legal scheme under Reaganomics 2015 Edition.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
81. Unions need money also. I know teachers' AFT got millions from Gates for ed reform.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:59 PM
Sep 2015

They endorsed Hillary early on against the wishes of many many members.

Many of them won't endorse the one who stands strongly with unions because it does not bring them needed funds.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
89. Yeah, I have three Union members in my family and they do
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:26 PM
Sep 2015

not want to move until their Union does. One is an iron worker and the other two are in health care.

I keep at them.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
95. Solidarity brought down the Polish communist government.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:20 PM
Sep 2015

And that directly led to tipping over that one bigger domino.

Here in the USA, who knows if a strike could topple Just-us.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
97. I know that the Union is stronger than people think it is.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:39 PM
Sep 2015

They are angry but a lot of us who are no longer in the Union or never have been in it are sharing their anger. Let us hope that they will be able to make some changes.

Solidarity.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
54. essential reading, k&r
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:19 PM
Sep 2015

exposes the "party line over all" and "reagan's eleventh commandment" lines being bandied about. monied astroturf and crab grass to smother real change.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
58. Thank you for posting, madfloridian
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:00 PM
Sep 2015

I think some of us old timers take this info for granted and assume all Dems know about it. But for those just entering the realm of politics, this info can be quite eye-opening and enlightening.

K&R

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
61. The Centrists have "Third Way", and the Progressives have "MoveON"
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:29 PM
Sep 2015

How about a system where both groups make an argument and voters get to choose? I think there's a word for that.....

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
66. We are fighting for that right now. Asking that all voices be heard on equal platforms...
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:57 PM
Sep 2015

Like debates.

Yes, there's a word for that. It's called Democracy.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
77. MoveOn and The Third Way are not even comparable.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:53 PM
Sep 2015

How about y'all centrist triangulators go start your own third party.

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
87. If they're not comparable, maybe you should start an advocacy group that is?
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:27 PM
Sep 2015

Of course, typing complaints in the blogosphere will be a lot easier....

And sorry, I won't be leaving the Party; the "real world" voters, candidates and elected officials don't seem to mind.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
88. Please don't the insulting "real world" theme here. It's a put down.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:01 PM
Sep 2015

And it's meant to anger those of us who think the party should stand for things that are important to most people.

It's hurts the party more than you realize because it implies that we don't don't experience reality.

Why do it?

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
109. MoveOn is a part of the Democratic Party Organization Chart.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:29 PM
Sep 2015

FAR , FAR from the DLC. Which never was on the chart. Just influential at the Club and the wine and cheese parties.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
94. MoveOn has to do with us Progresive Activists? Exactly how?
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:20 PM
Sep 2015

A top down organization whose leadership can never be addressed, spoken to or met with, except by special invite, yet you consider them "progressive." ???

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
67. 2001 Al From blamed Gore's loss on Bush painting him as liberal.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:21 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/01/politics/freemedia012601_from.htm

washingtonpost.com: Good afternoon Mr. From and welcome. There is a lot of speculation out there on why former vice president Gore lost the election? What are your thoughts?

Al From: To begin, Vice President Gore won the popular vote. But regardless of how we feel about the election, the reality is that George Bush was elected according to our constitutional process. Our analysis shows that the Vice President won on most of the specific issues, but President Bush won on the big themes. Bush's ability to paint Gore as a big government liberal, which was reinforced by the Vice President's populist message, proved decisive. As a result, Gore ran poorly among a key group of swing voters - men who live in the suburbs, work in the new economy, and have moderate political views. In addition, the vice president did not run strongly enough among self identified moderate voters to win the election.


That premise was what they used from then on to keep anyone calling themselves liberals, or even acting like one....on the sidelines of the party.

Same thing happens now. There is an underlying contempt for those of us who question policies too loudly.

Even worse was that From and Company did nothing to help Gore during the recount. They left him to hang with the chads. And blamed him for acted too populist or liberal.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
128. Or to be perfectly honest, already acted like a Republican.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:57 PM
Sep 2015

Lieberman that is. I remember we wondered why in the world he was chosen by Gore as VP. Sort of makes sense now.

NonMetro

(631 posts)
69. Great Post!
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:36 PM
Sep 2015

The Democratic Party of FDR and JFK ended in 1992. Before that, people used to say Democrats would rather be right than president - and that was true. But not anymore. Now it's they'd rather move to the right and be president. And that's what "new" Democrats have been all about since 1992.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
75. "The Democratic Party of FDR and JFK ended in 1992."
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:41 PM
Sep 2015

True statement. Welcome to DU.

They have done one thing and called it another for way too long now.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
103. In fairness, Carter, though a wonderful ex-prez, ushered in deregulation
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 08:28 PM
Sep 2015

That was the beginning of the end.
Reagan took it to warp speed, but it started under Carter.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
71. Clinton basically undid The New Deal, deceiving the majority of the Democratic Party. As Thom
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:03 PM
Sep 2015

Hartmann says, progressives must take over the Democratic Party from within.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
79. Sam Nunn: "Now we are viewed as the brains of the party."
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:55 PM
Sep 2015
After months of pondering, Clinton decided to run for reelection as governor and become chairman of the DLC. Nearly a year after our Little Rock meeting, at the DLC’s Annual Conference in New Orleans on March 24, 1990, Bill Clinton became the DLC’s fourth chairman. Calling Clinton a “rising star in three decades,” Sam Nunn passed him the gavel. Nunn quipped that when the DLC was created “we were viewed as a rump group. Now we’re viewed as the brains of the party. In just five years, we’ve moved from one end of the donkey to the other.”


How cute! From one end of the donkey to the other.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/recruiting-bill-clinton/281946/

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
85. Al From wasn't really honest in his book about HOW the DCL got started.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:11 PM
Sep 2015


THIS is how the DLC got started:
http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

The Koch Brothers, along with other Mega-Rich Conservatives, BOUGHT their way into the Democratic Party Leadership through the DLC,
and the Old Dog did what he was told.

It is shocking, but revealing to realize that Koch Brothers Money helped get Bill Clinton elected.
However, it does explain some of Bill's behavior at reversing Democratic Party Policy,
and adopting Republican Policy.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
86. Al is tooting his own horn.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:13 PM
Sep 2015

Money and power matter to some more than plain simple truth. Yes, it explains a lot.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
96. Thanks Bvar. it is always so worthwhile to see posts from
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:31 PM
Sep 2015

You and Madfloridian. And to have both of you in one topic is a real treat!

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
99. I like Al From. He's a good man. Yes, he has corporatist ideals, but the Democratic Party probably
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 08:02 PM
Sep 2015

was better off with Clinton/Gore in the 1990's-2001. Which other Democrat could have beaten Bush? Tsongas? I don't think so. Clinton brought an era of peace and prosperity that this country have not seen in a long time. Not all Blue Dogs are bad people. Brad Henry, Phil Bredesen, Mike Beebe are "New Democrats, New Dogs", but you know what, if the Democratic Party wants to be a national party, it has to appeal in the South. Bernie Sanders will have a hard time in Southern battlegrounds like Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia. New Democrats and New Dogs could open a new wave of Southern Democratic progressive roots. You have to have a balance in the country. Democrats need to appeal to Southerners, and Bredesen, Henry, Beebe were governors in the 2000's that did that, but since they left office, we have not heard from them at all, especially Bredesen and Henry. I think that if DWS does not produce a good Democratic ground game in 2016, that Brad Henry, former Oklahoma governor, should be in contention to be the next chair of the DNC. He knows how to win in a red state!!! He did it in 2002. Democrats need to have a bold agenda that appeals to all 50 states. Southerners need to be included as well.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
106. Never said they were bad people. I said they are in control of the party. That's wrong.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:19 PM
Sep 2015

They hold tight reins on the party's mechanics and structure.

BTW how's that working out on appealing to Southerners? How did we lose both houses of congress?

They have no more right to control our party than I do.

Many of those you mention were more like Republicans than Democrats.

This post is not about Bernie Sanders. It is about the ones who grabbed hold of the party and refuse to let go.

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
113. I understand. Southerners like Henry, Bredesen need to have bigger voices in the party.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:05 PM
Sep 2015

They need to speak about what they did in Oklahoma and Tennessee to make life better for those residents. I would like to see them be the head of the DNC, if DWS leaves in 2017. The DLC has been in control of the Democratic Party since 1992, but the party is still center-left.

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
107. None of that allays this bogeyman for them
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:19 PM
Sep 2015

A recurring theme here is third-way Democrats equals Corporate Republicans and they are everywhere plotting to give the country to the Board of Directors of Sherman Adelson's company or WalMart.

It's a battle no amount of facts will transcend. Forget the fact that the DLC closed down in 2011.
Their agents are everywhere, and if you actually hold any kind of ownership position in a company on Wall Street or a bank, you are automatically suspect as complicit in the evil plan to revive the DLC into a zombie bent on becoming a right wing subtext of the republican party.

The DLC had its place in time and did give us the Clintons, a vibrant economy, a surplus and a peace dividend. But That was then.

So are the anti-DLC arguments.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
110. There that's condescending tone again, Capn. I did not say any of those things.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:53 PM
Sep 2015

I made my point well, that they decided the party was theirs for the taking....and they did. They may have shut down, but then that is addressed in the OP.

I learned a lot about messing with the PTB in 2003, 2004. Or maybe not. The same thing seems to be happening now, with different names on one side....same ones on the other.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
112. We know full well what the DLC and the Third Way are all about. They are not here to help the 99%
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:39 PM
Sep 2015

are they? We are where we are in part, thanks to them. We have lost our democracy and they aren't concerned one bit.

"The DLC had its place in time and did give us the Clintons, a vibrant economy, a surplus and a peace dividend." Bullcrap. Clinton benefited from the ".com" market spike (part of the pyramid scheme market economy) that eventually crashed hurting millions of the 99%.

The DLC gave us the lose in 2000. Thanks a lot. And if they have their way, they will do the same in 2016. Most likely Clinton, if she steals the nomination, will lose just like Gore before her.

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
118. I guess you missed the part where I mentioned they are done? Over? Closed?
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 07:38 PM
Sep 2015

There's no DLC, they closed up in 2011.

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
120. I honestly thought From was Dead.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:14 PM
Sep 2015

But there's certainly no cabal of DLCers loose on the planet. I think the only people that read From's crap are here at DU , because looking for bogeymen is always en vogue here.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
121. Tsongas was actually a lot more fiscally conservative than Clinton was.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:37 PM
Sep 2015

Had he been elected president Reaganomics would have received far greater (false) validation.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
105. Deep Thanks to Mad Floridian
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:02 PM
Sep 2015

I know whenever I see that Mad Floridian has posted something it is going to be important. Your post today is one for the ages.
In a nutshell you have shown evidence for what I always suspected, that our Democratic Party had been inflitrated by Right Wingers to
move it to the Right. The funding by the Walls and the Kochs says it all. I am spreading this far and wide. My 1930s relatives are spinning in their graves to hear that DLC talk today!

YellowMango

(4 posts)
136. Thanks for this research!
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jun 2016

I think it's crucial that progressives also do another "intellectual leveraged buyout" of the Democratic Party and take the party back from the DLC/Third-way/New-Democrat faction.

Can that be achieved? And if so, how?

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»It's Al From's Democratic...