For her June 16, I mean June 13, "Big Rally", Hillary Clinton is Asking for Trouble.

[NYC_SKP]

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Hillary Clinton to launch campaign from one of New York’s least-accessible public places

Going to Hillary’s kick-off rally? Go early!


This appears to be deliberately designed to create pandemonium and disorder for maximum media exposure:

Clinton’s New York speech will be open to the public and tickets will be free, according to the campaign website.

But that message came with a big disclaimer: tickets do not guarantee admission and the rally will fill up on a first-come, first-served basis.

People will be camping out, unless they distribute exactly enough tickets there could be a real mess, a Black Friday kind of mob. Bad Idea.

If they want to do this safely, they'll determine an exact number of quests who can safely attend and distribute that number of tickets in some fair fashion, with an additional number of standby tickets, to prevent crazy campouts and attendant squabbles.

I think, however, that they've planned it this way for reasons of making it more "newsy".

Hillary sets venue for first big rally: Roosevelt Island



By Annie Karni

6/1/15 1:19 PM EDT

The solemn memorial park at the southern tip of Roosevelt Island, Four Freedoms Park, will serve as the backdrop for Hillary Clinton’s first significant speech as a presidential candidate on June 13, when she is expected to lay out her vision for the future of the country and explain to voters why she is the right person to lead it there.

The park, designed by architect Louis Kahn and dedicated in 2012, honors the “four freedoms” Franklin D. Roosevelt outlined in his 1941 State of the Union address — freedom of speech, religion, freedom from want and freedom from fear. The symbolic backdrop won out over other potential sites for Clinton’s “vision” speech that were floated to the campaign by supporters, such as Seneca Falls, N.Y., the site of the first women’s rights convention in 1848.

In announcing the venue for the much-anticipated speech, the campaign emphasized Clinton’s long admiration of both Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt. Clinton is expected to be joined at the kick-off speech by her family, Chelsea and Bill Clinton. It won’t mark their first time there: Bill Clinton was one of the speakers at the 2012 dedication ceremony of the park.

Clinton’s New York speech will be open to the public and tickets will be free, according to the campaign website. But that message came with a big disclaimer: tickets do not guarantee admission and the rally will fill up on a first-come, first-served basis. A spokesman said it was not clear yet how many supporters the venue would accommodate...............

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/hillary-clinton-rally-roosevelt-island-118500.html#ixzz3bv9iXAfw

What a mess. Fuck the people, it's always about her.

[LordGlenconner]

1. You'll live

[DURHAM D]

5. LOL

I burst out laughing causing my cat to take off for the basement.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. ROFL

Perfect response to this nonsense.

Well played.

[SecularMotion]

44. +1000

[zappaman]

76. Perfect response.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. And if she charged admission or limited the # of tickets she'd get shit for that.

How is this different from any other big public rally? Yes, there will be a lot of people. So what?

[sufrommich]

3. Oh FFS.

You're like Hillary Clinton's personal Tokyo Rose.

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. Friendly Citizen! Freedom-Loving Citizen! Hillary Clinton is already finished! You have no future

with Hillary Clinton! Peace-loving citizen, we invite you to join us in Bernie Sanders Camp!

[sufrommich]

15. Exactly. It would be funny if it wasn't so

pathetic.

[DCBob]

18. LOL!

perfect!

[NCTraveler]

45. That's funny. nt.

[stevenleser]

111. I prefer Lord Haw Haw but the idea is the same. nt

[Blue_Adept]

4. Skip, seriously, dial it back a bit

It's like you're seeing evil in every breath she takes.

It's an open rally with obvious limits. It's the same if they did it in a building and there are fire codes/capacity. There's only so many that can be there.

[HassleCat]

6. I'm guessing this

Probably what they will do is hand out about 10 percent more tickets than they have spaces. That way, if it rains and people stay home, it will still look well attended. If everybody with a ticket shows up, there will be some overflow, but not enough to make people angry. I hope they're not stupid enough to hand out tickets for 300 percent of capacity. A stunt like that could backfire, and I'm retty sure they will not take the chance.

[Man from Pickens]

7. Relax

Unless she's holding this rally on Wall Street, it is very unlikely to be filled to capacity.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

8. I thought everyone hates her?

I'm expecting no one will show up based on what I read here.

[DCBob]

20. Indeed.. I thought she was an uninspiring, lying, manipulative, old hag.

Why do people want to see her??

[geek tragedy]

39. nobody goes to her rallies, they're too crowded nt

[DCBob]

55. LOL Yogi!

[Starry Messenger]

98. But he recs this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026761961

There is so much awesome here. I might have to cancel cable, this election season is going to be comedy gold.

[stevenleser]

113. !

[misterhighwasted]

114. Camp Bernie also says she will be wearing her lovely crown

..ahead of the coronation.

[Scootaloo]

178. Know what this Bernie camper will be doing?

I'll be making a sandwich and watching some of my favorite youtubers.

[dlwickham]

186. I wonder if the Hillary website sells crowns

I'd buy one

[misterhighwasted]

189. Me Too. Lol. What a cool idea. Thanks anti-Hillary peeps!!

Genius & that would be fun.
All of Hillary's royal base shows up at her rallys wearing Hillary crowns.

[cyberswede]

9. It will be a blast! People can figure out how to get there on time.

I don't know if I'd want to be on an island with that many people and no easy means of egress, but I bet it will be super festive.

[onehandle]

10. Your self-editorial that doesn't reflect the article aside, Yep, it's going to be a big crowded event.

So will her inauguration.

[OKNancy]

161. ROFL!!

[JaneyVee]

11. It's June 13th, and NYC can handle it.

[Autumn]

14. I read up on the Island, taking a tram would be fun and I think people will be smart.

enough to make plans to get there to show their support without it causing problems. I won't fault her for choosing this venue.

[NYC_SKP]

21. The campaign is attempting to equate the candidate with FDR. That's kind of disturbing.

I'm not surprised, and it is a really fabulous place. I lived for a short time on Roosevelt Island.

It was 14th floor sublet from a friend, fabulous view of Manhattan and I really loved taking the tram to work!



But seriously, HRC and FDR?

[Autumn]

24. There's a lot about FDR to admire, I don't believe she's equating herself to FDR

she admires him. What's not to admire about FDR? This is not a valid complaint about her or her campaign.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. You do know I have attended a few campaign launches

here at the Roosevelt section of Balboa Park? Politicians do this every time.

[quickesst]

59. she breathes the same air

that everyone does. You probably find that disturbing also.

[CreekDog]

119. you lived on Roosevelt Island?

I uh...

[NYC_SKP]

123. What's yer issue, CreekDog?

I graduated in 1984 from a fine institution in Manhattan and moved back to California, where I had lived before moving from the SF Bay Area (Rockridge) to a loft on Broadway at Bleeker.

The Bleeker gig was short lived and I took a ground floor garden apartment on Sullivan after that, free rent in exchange for being the building super.

After that I moved to East Houston and when I graduated I sublet that to a friend and moved back to California-- Sunnyvale.

I was recruited that same summer to return to NYC and a friend who rented an apartment on the 14th floor of one of the towers on Roosevelt Island let me stay there- he was a long haul truck driver for North American Van Lines.

It had a beautiful view but was temporary. Fortunately, I still held the lease on East Houston and after a few months my friend moved out and I moved back in.

Now how about explaining what is so funny about that, my good friend?

[yellowcanine]

124. Would you prefer she channel Herbert Hoover?

Really this is getting ridiculous. Republicans try to emulate Reagan. Democrats try to emulate FDR, Truman and JFK. You certainly are entitled to not support or like HRC but if you want to comment on it, at least be honest and go after the policy disagreements rather than focusing on fluff. There are plenty of legitimate things to question HRC about, such as where she stands on the Patriot Act, the "War on Terror" and NSA spying on Americans, support of big banks, etc. But to carp about where she holds a rally and about trying to link herself to FDR? That is just grasping at straws.

[pnwmom]

143. Face it. Everything about Hillary disturbs you

and nothing she does is ever right.

[Starry Messenger]

16. Oh, so her big event could be *too* big.

If this were Sanders: OMG he's giving away free tickets, he's a man of the people, look at those crowds!!1111

If she charged for this or restricted entry in any way: OMG, what an out of touch elitist!!!111

[ChisolmTrailDem]

17. I'm a fan of yours, Skip, but you need to chill the fuck out. You're talking about the person

who may well end up being our candidate.

[Blue_Adept]

100. Who, if she does win, we'll hear him complaining about for at least four years

Which is what we get with a segment of the posters here already with Obama. It's a self destructive cycle that keeps being reborn in the ashes.

[Number23]

200. Yep. You nailed it.

[lamp_shade]

146. I'm also a fan of yours, Skip, but I have to agree with ChisolmTrailDem's sentiments.

[Renew Deal]

19. You don't have to go if you don't want to.

[NYC_SKP]

22. Oh, no fucking way I'm going.

First, I don't like crowds, second I don't like her, third I don't live there anymore, fourth I'll be at my place by the beach.

Either way, there's four solid reasons I won't be going.

Fifth, it's likely to be a dangerous place to be just for the crowds.

[KoKo]

25. Isn't the location and having to take a Tram a bit limiting for average people?

I heard a discussion about the logistics of getting to Roosevelt Island. It isn't that easy. Tram only takes care of the Upper East Side and There's a Ferry but how many people does it hold? Maybe there's a bridge from Brooklyn or Queens that could accomodate busloads of supporters?

I used to live in Manhattan...but, never made it over to Roosevelt Island.

[Bluenorthwest]

37. Roosevelt Island is accessable by subway, bus, tram, ferry, car and foot.

Not sure if there is a helipad, but I don't need one.

[KoKo]

57. Holding it on a Sunday is very helpful for NYC & Area Supporters

who can use Public Transport. Any other day and it would be a traffic nightmare.

[leftynyc]

75. It's a Saturday

But your point still holds true.

[NYC_SKP]

62. I lived on the Island for a few months. One little tram and a bridge to Queens, no ferry.

125 passengers at a time, but buses could bring folks in over the bridge from Queens.

I will be a mess, the island will be on Secret Service lockdown.

If anything odd goes there will be no place to go but into the river.

But the design of the venue is perfect for a person who wants an iconic setting to frame their personage.

But the capacity isn't as great as it might be.

[hrmjustin]

68. there is a new subway line now.

[NYC_SKP]

86. I just now looked at a map and saw that station, very cool!

When I was living on the Island, it was kind of nice having only one way to Manhattan directly and one felt a little less harried, privileged even, to get on the platform and wait for a single car that would come and get you and take you across.

I haven't been back to the city since 1996...

[hrmjustin]

89. They extended the 6th Avenue line to Queensboro Plaza in the 90's and then extended it

to the main Queens line.

[brooklynite]

92. ...and the subway's been there since 1989.

[NYC_SKP]

104. There used to be trolleys that would stop on the Queensboro Bridge, w elevator down to the island

I only lived on Roosevelt Island for a few months in 1984, left NYC altogether in 1987.

I'm glad for commuters that they have more than one way to cross over to Manhattan.



The island originally had clinics for infectious diseases, you probably knew that. Many don't know about the trolley, however.

[LanternWaste]

102. Hence, the multiple inaccuracies in your cloudy prophecy.

"I haven't been back to the city since 1996..."

Hence, the multiple inaccuracies so far in your already-cloudy prophecy.

[NYC_SKP]

112. Looking into my crystal ball now.....

I see Santa. Laying on his back with his feet up....


OMG, they're going to kill Santa!

[MineralMan]

106. People can also take the F train.

The subway stops on the island, too. You can also drive there. Space is limited, so I suppose they'll cap the number of tickets at some point.

I fail to see the problem, really. It will be an interesting day. Wish I could be there, but I can't. I had to miss Bernie Sanders' visit to Minneapolis, too, due to a conflict in my schedule. So it goes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. WoW

I'll be at my place by the beach.

I wish I had a place by the beach instead of the shitty rent controlled, 40 year old, 450 square foot studio apartment I share with my girlfriend.


That's why I will be supporting Hillary because she speaks for me.

[zappaman]

78. "It's likely to be a dangerous place to be just for the crowds."

Now resorting to fear mongering?
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't ya.

[pnwmom]

145. You're going to be at your beach place.

A real man of the people then.

But Hillary's such a 1% er.

[NYC_SKP]

149. Maybe, maybe not.

I think I have a tenant renting it through the first three weeks of this month, then I'll have it through the weekend of the 4th and let it be rented again.

This way, the mortgage is covered while I get my crap together in the primary residence and sell this place. Can't afford two mortgages.

OBTW, 30 years of hard labor and saving, shopping, and knowing how to buy at auction equal a good deal on a full ocean view condo.

If you want to hold that against a former designer and educator, still working hard and trying to save money, and equate that with the bankster scum making 1000 times what I earn, well you go right ahead.

Gimme a hug.

[pnwmom]

150. I'm glad you've had some significant success.

I wouldn't hold that against you.

[NYC_SKP]

152. OK then!

It helped that I didn't have kids to put through school, and not always sure that was a worthwhile trade off cuz kids are awesome.

Take care!

[pnwmom]

154. I think it's great that Bernie is speaking out and he has such strong supporters.

He makes a lot of sense and people respond.

On the other hand, I want everyone to come together at the end, and I don't want a bitter campaign to damage whomever is the nominee.

So I wish people could dial back on personal negativity toward Hillary. She's still likely to be the nominee and this won't help us in the long run.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Let's build each other up instead of tearing each other down...

My old man had a ninth grade education but he was a fount of wisdom. He used to tell me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

[Thinkingabout]

28. You are right, heads doesn't have to explode, just go on th the next day.

Tomorrow can be the best day of your life.

[Buzz Clik]

26. "Hillary is about to do something. Whatever it is, I hate it."

Nice objectivity, Skippy.

[Jester Messiah]

27. To be fair, I don't think making a huge mess is her intent here

But godsdamn, what a trainwreck of a campaign so far. She really needs to get her shit together.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Her campaign is off to a fine start and most dispassionate observers agree./NT

[Jester Messiah]

32. Then they aren't observing very well.

Her poll numbers are down, her press is generally unfavorable, she can't issue a timely statement on anything, and she has no signature issue that differentiates her from her competition. Her van gimmick is a bad joke. The one thing she does have is name recognition, but that doesn't work out to a positive when half the people who recognize your name grimace when they hear it.

Whoever's running her campaign ought to be fired. I know I'm hardly unbiased, but even just coming at this from a student-of-politics dispassionate direction, she's floundering.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. She addressed immigration and has staked out a more progressive immigration

She addressed immigration reform and has staked out a more progressive immigration plan than any of her opponents:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/05/hillary-clinton-immigration-reform_n_7217768.html



She addressed criminal justice reform, an issue of importance to our base:


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/04/hillary_clinton_s_impressive_criminal_justice_speech_the_democratic_front.html


She has appointed Latinas, Latinos, and African Americans to key positions in her campaign:


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/hillary-clinton-taps-dreamer-activist-lorella-praeli-latina-outreach-director-n361721



http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150317/PC1603/150319368/1031/hillary-clinton-taps-longtime-clyburn-aide-to-run-south-carolina-campaign


She has spoken forcefully to issues of glbtq Americans:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/04/28/hillary-clinton-goes-all-in-on-gay-marriage-love-must-win/


She is running an inclusive campaign, diligently reassembling the Obama coalition that no Democrat can without.

[Jester Messiah]

50. None of those positions differ markedly from Sanders or O'Malley.

Which candidate for the Democratic nomination is anti-immigrant? Which one is running on a get-tough throw-'em-in-jail platform? Which one hires only straight white males for their campaign staff?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. All I know is that HRC has massive leads among the groups I cited

All I know is that HRC has massive leads among the groups I cited against both her Democratic opponents and her presumptive Republican ones and those leads are tangible as the affection for her is real among people of color and the glbtq community.


And for all her so called slippage in the polls she's still crushing her Democratic opponents and beating her Republicant ones.


I rather have her hand than any of her Republicant or Democratic opponents and everybody without a dog in this fight would agree...

[Jester Messiah]

60. For now.

But that's not going to last as the campaign wears on. She's going to have to bring some substance soon, AND convince people that she means what she says and isn't just placating us until she gets the nomination and can heave rightwards once more.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. If someone gave you a million dollars...

If someone gave you a million dollars and said you can only keep it if you picked the candidate that will emerge victorious out of the 2016 Democratic primaries who would you pick?

[Jester Messiah]

63. There you go with that shit again.

Answer the points or GTFO. I swear, it's like "How to tell when DSB is out of ammo."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. I am happy with where HRC is on the issues...

I want to make sure I continue to get my Medi Cal, my undocumented Mexican and Filipino friends don't get sent back home, and that my glbtq friends can live lives of dignity.

My focus is on kitchen table issues and issues that affect everyday Americans. I don't obsess about banksters, the 1%/99% divide and Goldman Sachs...

The most Orwellian thing about this thread is that the person who started it and is one of the generals in the anti-Hillary brigade lives in a flipping beach house...No wonder my concern and the concerns of my fellow Clinton supporters look absolutely plebeian in contrast to his.

[Jester Messiah]

70. So how is it that you think Hillary has your back?

Her biggest donors are the rich fatcats whose most favorite pastime is a rousing round of screw-the-poor. Bernie ticks all the boxes you just stated, and he doesn't get his money from corporations who directly contradict your stated interests.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. Because the oligarchy will always be with us.

IMHO, the best we can do is to put the best controls we can muster on the oligarchy and bend them as far as realistically possible to our will....

There will always be oligarchies. The goal is to navigate through them to get things done for us little people. If we lose this election we won't even be able to do that. A little check on them is better than no check at all.

As to money, the Pukes are going to raise a ton...I want to match them dollar ford dollar...I'm not bringing a knife to a proverbial gun fight.

[Jester Messiah]

79. That doesn't mean we have to vote for them!

Seriously dude, it's the primaries. The time to shoot for the moon is now. If Hillary's the best we can do then so be it, but right now is not the time to settle.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. I respect your idealism and passion.

The prism I see this election through is the prism of us losing the White House and the Republicans controlling all three of the branches of government. Pardon my French but that would be a fucking disaster for the little people I empathize with, a fucking disaster... I believe Hillary Clinton is our best chance to avoid that...

Could I be wrong, sure, I'm not G-d but this election is shaping up to be a battle of manichean proportions and I want somebody who is not afraid to fight on my team...

[Jester Messiah]

95. I hear that. (also, thanks.)

We definitely need someone not afraid to get their knuckles a little bloody. That's something both Hillary and Bernie are good at. (Don't know about O'Malley yet.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

97. I am being literal when I say I believe politics is a blood sport.

Nothing better illustrates that than the battle after the disputed 2000 election results.

[lunamagica]

81. + a million

Great reply!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. Thank you.

My Filipina friend had some procedural problems with her Green Card...She's been here for fifteen years. Another friend of mine got married to a Mexican man. He thought he would become a citizen when they got married but he wasn't here legally at the time so there could be a problem. I can't imagine him or her being sent back.

[1StrongBlackMan]

94. But those groups are a bit, exclusive, don't you think? ...

I mean ... they only constitute the reliably Democratic base!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. I don't see the point of taking apart Democrats...

I don't see the point of taking apart Democrats, especially one, who by any metric is more likely than not to be our candidate for president.


I believe with every fiber of my being that those who engage in such activity are protected by their wealth from the consequences of total Republican control over all three branches of government or they are so alienated from society they just don't care. Since I don't belong to either of those two groups I care a lot.

[lunamagica]

80. I'm sorry, but bernie didn't address immigration reform in his speech when he anounced

and AFAIK, he hasn't mentioned since.

Hillary blasted the court's immigration decision, Bernie gave no statement at all.

Perhaps you don't even notice this, but Latinos are paying attention, and it isn't winning Bernie any points, or erasing any of Hillary's huge support among Hispanics.

And yes, I know Bernie isn't anti-immigrant. But it doesn't seem that immigration reform is a priority to him. But to many of us, it is a BIG priority, and action on this is urgent

[Arkana]

156. Does she need to stake out a unique position?

Really? Seems to me she's fine with boilerplate liberal positions on those things.

[Hekate]

181. They don't differ markedly because they are all Democrats. Also: Robby Mook, gay, is her manager.

Link to Robby Mook's appointment a month and a half ago.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/12/1377259/-Hillary-Selects-Openly-Gay-Man-As-Campaign-Manager-Per-Mother-Jones#

[LanternWaste]

103. That's an awful lot of subjective opinions posing as facts...

That's an awful lot of subjective opinions posing as facts... but I realize we do what we need to do to validate our biases.

[Motown_Johnny]

129. 8 days to come up with "I didn't want to carry 2 phones"!?

That statement makes no sense since you can access any number of email accounts from one phone. It took over a week for that nonsense.

The idea that her campaign is off to anything like a good start seems like a stretch. Unless you mean how much money she has raised. If that is your only measure of how well a campaign is doing then I will agree.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

130. She is beating her Democratic rivals by fifty points...

She is beating her Democratic rivals by fifty points with massive leads in the early primary and caucus states.

Look at it like the NBA Finals...

The Cavaliers and the Warriors didn't get there without winning their Conferences first.


When we get the Republican who wins his party's nomination we'll dirty him up good too...

[Motown_Johnny]

132. She has been running forever

and they are new to the campaign.

Of course she is ahead now. Talk to me again after the second debate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

133. HRC's favorability rating among Democrats is in the mid to high 80s.

I will provide a citation if you like. In order for Mr. Sanders or O'Malley to defeat her they need to change that perception. That is extraordinarily unlikely.

[Sheepshank]

166. and as is the norm...she may even get a bit of a bump after this NY rally.

That is likely to disturb the detractors to no end and we will likely see a bump in anti Hillary posts similar to this one lol.

[NCTraveler]

41. Her campaign is off to an amazing start.

Contrary to right wing spin, polls are backing that up. I do understand her treatment of the right wing media has their supporters upset. Just like her astronomical poll numbers.

[Jester Messiah]

46. It certainly is that. [nt]

[NYC_SKP]

144. The most disturbing parts: only six debates, can't answer questions, and uses Super PACs as voice.

The Super PAC "Correct the Record" has created a very slick compendium of pages of bullshit using cherry-picked statements and actions that make the candidate seem like a superhero.

It scores an A+ in marketing and packaging and, to be honest, might be worth the tens of millions it must be costing to put together.

But it also, graphically, is chillingly similar to other movements from the last millennium:

[Thinkingabout]

188. Oh, No, here are the caps again.

[Rex]

29. I wish I could be there for it!

I bet it will be an awesome event! Free, first come first served is about the only way to do it imo. It would be amazing if a million people show up!

[kenfrequed]

31. Uhm...

Could I ask you as a favor to stop posting things about Hillary?

Seriously, I know you think you might be contributing to this, but this is a non-story. The only thing to get upset about is Clinton sort of trying to justapose herself with Roosevelt and even that isn't worth getting excited about.

If you are supporting Sanders, like I am, I would rather see more positive posts about Sanders than negative ones about Clinton (particularly if they are this vague).

Bernie is the real deal and talks policy, while still managing to be very down to earth, every time he speaks or is interviewed. It is crazy easy to stand up and be positive for that.

[DCBob]

33. I think this is fairest way to do it.

If there were assigned tickets the insiders and scalpers would likely get them all and the regular folks who will be left out.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Obama held a free, public rally at Portland's Tom McCall Waterfront Park, 75,000 people came

It was fantastic, it was historic and my guess is that New York City is even more capable of handling even larger crowds because New York City has massive public events on a very regular basis, as you of course know very well.
The US has seen crowds in excess of a million persons for sporting parades, Pride events, concerts....
Add to that the fact that most of your posts claim she's so hated no one will show up, and you get today's Cake and Eat It Too Award. It's a bit much.

[NCTraveler]

38. I really hope you can make it through that day.

Cruz is also upset about the planning of the event. Maybe the two of you can commiserate together. Concern noted.

[NightWatcher]

42. Isn't that park logistically difficult to get to for a large crowd?

That's a crowded subway train and a lot of Red buses to move.

I would've had it at a walk up area with a few choke points for security but ease of reaching and exit.

[NCTraveler]

43. You must think she is going to draw enormous support....

in order for your thoughts to be based in reality. Go Hill.

[daredtowork]

48. Personally I'm all for it if Hillary

can pull off sounding anything like Eleanor Roosevelt.

People should be reading the small print of her unchanged-since-Bill-Clinton welfare policy platform though.

[madokie]

49. its always been about her

or over here where I live it sure seems that way.

[yellowcanine]

51. Wow, someone is trying really hard to create a controversy.

Really, this is the best you can do?

[Romulox]

52. The location invites an unflattering comparison. Poor choice. nt

[gopiscrap]

53. I could see her getting sued

God help her is some one is hurt or killed

[NCTraveler]

54. Your op is why so many of us love her.

She makes right wing heads explode. Boom goes the op!!!!!!

[zappaman]

159. Jury results.

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Your op is why so many of us love her.
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Oh, c'mon. NYC_SKP is no rightwing troll.

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[Cha]

193. Thanks, zappa

[Number23]

201. Tee hee. I bet I can guess which juror you were!

[lame54]

56. but we brag about bernie having people stand in the hallway...

Because of overcrowding

[jberryhill]

64. Pandemonium?

"But that message came with a big disclaimer: tickets do not guarantee admission and the rally will fill up on a first-come, first-served basis."

You mean, like, oh, both of the last inaugurations?

[LiberalElite]

135. That were on the Washington Mall,

146 acres of open plazas surrounded by land



vs.

147 acres heavily developed and surrounded by water:




This photo was taken before the development of the Roosevelt Memorial which was built at the southern tip of Roosevelt Island, near the copyright symbol in this photo.

[treestar]

192. So cool

Can you get there from that bridge or does it just go over it?

[LiberalElite]

65. I'm a little surprised by the choice

there are numerous locales that would be easier to get to. Roosevelt Island is reached by your choice of 1 Tram (capacity 110 people), 1 subway line or 1 MTA bus. Parking will be very limited.

[yellowcanine]

71. How many locations have five ways of getting there? (tram, subway, bus, car, foot)

I am not on board with any of the candidates so far but it seems to me that someone is grasping at straws here.

[LiberalElite]

85. No I am not grasping at straws at all -

I live in NYC and I know where it's easy to get to and where it's well, not-so-much. Traveling to Roosevelt Island on a day off with no particular event going on, fine. With a possible virtual rush-hour type crowd coming from everywhere... The would-be attendees who live here and in the also well-populated suburbs will have to cram on to the single available subway line or the single bus line or that little tram.

I forgot the bridge which is at the opposite end of the island: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Island_Bridge
I note that this bridge connects Roosevelt Island with Astoria, Queens, not the rest of Manhattan (Trivia: Roosevelt Island is considered part of Manhattan).

The logistics don't seem too well thought out. Space is at a premium on Roosevelt Island. There are numerous places in NYC with more room which are served by more subway lines and buses and parking. But they're going for the symbolism so have at it. I was thinking of her fans.

[NYC_SKP]

90. Battery Park, Central Park, even Washington Square Park would have cleaner egress.

I think she wants the FDR connection and the iconic Louis Kahn architectural background.

[LiberalElite]

105. That's it. All about the visual

However, I think of this visual with regard to the trip there:

[yellowcanine]

107. June 13 is a Saturday. I think your fears are misplaced.

The website doesn't make it sound like such a big deal on a Saturday for New Yorkers.

Transportation Details: Transportation to and from the island is relatively easy. There are two ways to access the Island from Manhattan: the F train and the Roosevelt Island Tram. For public transport, there’s the Bryant Park/42nd St. F station, it’s a mere 14-minute ride. The tram takes three minutes to go from its Manhattan origin at 60th Street and Second Avenue (a five-minute walk from the N, Q, R; 4, 5, 6 station at 59th Street and Lexington Avenue) to the island’s tram station. It runs from 6am to 2:30am Monday through Friday and 6am to 3:30am Saturday to Sunday. Both the tram and the subway routes require an MTA card (or buying a one-way fare); if you have a monthly or weekly pass already, it’ll work on the tram. From Queens, you can also take the Roosevelt Island Bridge, which is the only option if you’re driving and includes a foot path.

http://www.newyork.com/articles/neighborhoods/roosevelt-island-a-day-away-from-the-city-without-leaving-the-city-51706/


But don't let me spoil the melodrama.

[LiberalElite]

110. Melodrama's your word.

It's still a relatively small place with a potentially big crowd coming. and there is ONE subway that stops on the island and ONE bus line that goes there. And that tram holding all of 110 people at a time. I could recite all the other subway lines all over NYC too and it would be irrelevant. Thanks for your facts however irrelevant they are to the situation.

[yellowcanine]

117. "It's still a relatively small place with a potentially big crowd coming." Yep, and the disclaimer:

"tickets do not guarantee admission and the rally will fill up on a first-come, first-served basis."

seems like a reasonable way to address that issue. If people want to be a part of it, they will get there early. Some may even camp out! The horror!

[LiberalElite]

121. Are you coming? Even if I were a fan of hers I would skip it. See more "melodrama" below:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2015/06/02/going-to-hillarys-kick-off-rally-go-early/


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/06/01/hillary-clinton-to-launch-campaign-from-one-of-new-yorks-least-accessible-public-places/

[NYC_SKP]

134. Thank you, I'll add that to the OP.

[yellowcanine]

190. No I am not a particular fan. Some of us are undecided believe it or not.

So Philip Bump agrees with you whoever he is. He is entitled to his opinion, though I might point out that some of his guestimates do not jibe with the information in the paragraph I posted. So maybe he has an ax to grind also?

Oh, Al Kamen apparently agrees with you also but he appears to be mainly repeating what Philip Bump said so what's the point?

[boston bean]

66. June 13th. nt

[peace13]

69. At a minimum look at what the Obama campaign did.

They used the Internet and people got tickets and admittance to the event. The wheel does not need reinvented! People take time and money to get to these events. The least a campaign can do is respect that.

[demmiblue]

72. Good point.

I have a feeling that a lot of people are going to be disappointed.

It is a beautiful location, though.

[DCBob]

126. I think they want it more open than that.

That would restrict to people who know about the event and take the time to register. Many wont do that until its too late. This allows anyone even at the last minute to show up early and get a spot.

[peace13]

147. Then don't have tickets at all.

First come....but most folks in this day of electronics don't want to burn time or money that they do not have. Too late is never on the Internet. Click your phone at the door or get a ticket at the door. It is crazy to have tickets that don't mean anything! Or....reserve a percentage of the seating for walk ins. It is her campaign. She can do what she wants but she needs to be aware that Obama's campaign was a well oiled machine and folks that worked on it know all about it. People who pound the pavement, donate money and house volunteers don't want to show up at an event and get turned away. That &$@t won't fly!

[DCBob]

163. What you say makes total sense..but..

I think they want this particular event as open and inclusive as possible. We will see how it turns out.

[peace13]

191. I hope it works out! N/t

[NCTraveler]

73. Had to stop by again.

[leftynyc]

77. OH FFS

First you got the date wrong in your OP - it's June 13th and not June 16th. Second, is there anything you wont whine about? If she charged money, you'd bitch about that also. Third, it's not like NYers aren't quite comfortable with crowds. Just stop your bullshit already. It's tiresome.

[lunamagica]

82. Psssst....maybe by posting the wrong date, people will miss the real event

Very clever!

[NYC_SKP]

83. Oh Damn It! I've been found out! Rats!

I thought I read June 16!

[L0oniX]

173. LMFAO

[leftynyc]

116. No - I think it was just

careless - not giving a shit about getting things right.

[revmclaren]

182. Why break a trend?

[brooklynite]

84. Your headline is wrong - date is the 13th...

[brooklynite]

87. I can't believe tickets is what you're really worried about...

Unless you have reserved seats, you can't know exactly how many people you can accommodate, and how many no shows you'll have, much less what the Police/Fire/Secret Service will allow. So you make your best guess and qualify it by saying no guarantees.

In any event, why be concerned? The Sanders people are convinced her popularity is falling, so she'll never be able to fill the space.....right?

[cwydro]

93. You should edit your OP

to reflect the correct date. It is on June 13.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

96. You know that it's on June 13th now

Why the need to leave the wrong date in the title, and before the correct one?

[cwydro]

109. I was wondering too.

I think it is intentional.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

101. Jury results

REASON FOR ALERT

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"This appears to be deliberately designed to create pandemonium and disorder for maximum media exposure"

This is absurd bashing and conspiracy crap not even worthy of creative speculation. Constructive criticism is one thing, but this bashing of a Democratic candidate wrapped in concern trolling and fear mongering is disgusting.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:02 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Conspiracy crap? Get a hold of yourself, alerter. I don't know why he is worried about her
campaign choices, she only has experienced people helping her. What he did comment on
is harmless, no big deal, he thinks it's a stupid plan, maybe it is, but probably not, but who
the hell cares, his opinion is not in violation.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't think this post will create either pandemonium or disorder. It's an opinion. Is this a "friend of Hillary" alerting on an "enemy of Hillary"?
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Explanation: I'm getting tired of this poster constantly bashing HRC. Knock it off, please.
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Explanation: The post/article represents what is happening. Someone has posted an opinion based on what is happening. That should stand and the person can defend themselves as appropriate.

[CreekDog]

108. Nobody will go, it'll be too crowded

[greyl]

115. lol nt

[Nuclear Unicorn]

118. I read not long ago that Roosevelt Island used to be an asylum for the criminally insane.

[CreekDog]

120. NYC SKP says he lived there

presumably after that.

[LiberalElite]

122. real funny - numerous apartment high rises

were built there since the '70s.

[LiberalElite]

136. And you don't think of her at all I see nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

141. I an not a psychiatrist but I would assume he or she would tell you it's better to think about...

I an not a psychiatrist but I would assume he or she would tell you it's better to think about people and things you like and not people and things you hate.

[NYC_SKP]

138. No, you couldn'd pay me to live in LA or San Diego.

I'm on the beach, or rather above the beach, about 300 steps to the beach and overlooking the entire Pacific Ocean, an ocean view from every room, bed, bath, living, kitchen.

But it's not as large as your place, it's a tiny place with a gigantic view- whales, dolphins, it's remarkable.

[Starry Messenger]

125. lol

[NYC_SKP]

140. The ruins of the Smallpox Hospital were still standing when during my few months living there.

I do remember walking around them, they were cool.

Sorry I missed you when I was there for the Giants game on 5/9. It was Pence bobblehead day!

I'll be back for a presentation coming up at the California Academy of Sciences later this month if you want to come out.

I'll get you a pass or maybe two if you want to bring a friend.

[NYC_SKP]

131. Penitentiary Hospital, Smallpox Hospital, reminiscent of Alcatraz and Molokai.

I've been to Kalaupapa, Molokai, and down to the "Leper Colony" which still has some resident sufferers of the condition.

You can take a boat or you can take donkeys. I took a donkey and it was the scariest thing I've ever paid to do.

[randome]

128. "This appears to be deliberately designed to create pandemonium and disorder."

Regarding your thread. Geeze.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[LexVegas]

137. Thats not convenient to my summmer place in The Hamptons.

She hates the common folk.

[geek tragedy]

139. "what a mess"

my thoughts after reading this post.

[pnwmom]

142. What is your problem with the date? Is the calendar tricky for you? n/t

[LanternWaste]

148. Other than a large crowd, what specific trouble do you prophecy?

Other than a large crowd (which I believe, is a rather good indicator of popularity and support in the world of politics), what specific trouble do you prophecy? And on what objective measure do you base those prophecies on...?


"This appears to be deliberately designed to create pandemonium..."
Most likely, because we see only what our biases allow us to, and discount or minimize any other rationalize conclusions. Though no doubt, you'll allege that's not applicable to you.

[NYC_SKP]

151. I think the "tickets do not guarantee admission" part that could become a problem.

tickets do not guarantee admission and the rally will fill up on a first-come, first-served basis.

There's time to do it differently, maybe through email, to be sure that people don't show up 48 hours in advance and camp out like they do for Black Friday sales events.

My impression is that this is what they want, for it to run for a longer news cycle, when they could offer a specific number of tickets with a 10% overage and standby tickets.

Shouldn't they know better?

[workinclasszero]

153. buhahahahaha! OMG you Bernie fans are really scared aren't you?

What the matter? You all been bragging incessantly about the huge Bernie rallies and the long lines with thousands waiting to see your boy.

Are you afraid of the tremendously huge crowd that will be there to see one of the most popular woman alive?

Man I absolutely love, love, love your post OP!

Its awesome!

[NYC_SKP]

157. We are delighted that you like this post!

In our tiny corner of this tiny website it's thrilling to "have a conversation" with you.

We are on a "listening tour" this week, and glad you could join us!

[workinclasszero]

158. You bet! Keep em coming!

I love comedy

[arcane1]

162. It looks like only one person in this thread agrees with the OP: the one who posted it.

So yes, smear all of us "Bernie fans" over one person's opinion. This is grade school, after all.

Come back when you're old enough to vote

[Cha]

194. It's going to be a brilliant day in NYC for Hillary's Official Launch..

U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton claps along with the audience as she arrives at a campaign event in Mason City, Iowa, United States, May 18, 2015. REUTERS/Jim Young


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[workinclasszero]

195. Great picture

I hope some Hillary backers in or near NYC can make it to the rally and give a report and pics here

[Cha]

197. I just posted it in Hillary's Group.. Justin is in NY. I was thinking maybe he might?

That would be so cool.. surely someone can!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11078038

[workinclasszero]

198. I know right?

Gotta be some Hillery fans from NYC or state in here!

[Arkana]

155. Not sure why you're kicking up such a fuss about this.

[workinclasszero]

160. Because...

Bernies "big" rallies = man of the people, super popular, winning!


Hillary's HUGE rally = "Hillary Clinton is Asking for Trouble. What a mess. Fuck the people, it's always about her."


LOLOLOLOL!

[BainsBane]

164. I guess you never went to an Obama event, or any major campaign event for that matter

Tickets didn't guarantee admission there either. That's what happens when a lot of people want to see a candidate.
I guess you weren't active in the 2008, 2012, or 2004 elections.

Planning a campaign kick off to make it "newsy." Oh, my God. You'd think she was running a campaign after the onset of television. How dare she?!

And she choose a venue to honor the Roosevelts, and you decide that makes it "all about her," when people here have spend the last several years pining away for the Roosevelt years of the Democratic party. Suddenly people aren't so keen on that. Your claim about it being "all about her" followed information about a venue, not her. That doesn't relate to any of the information provided in your OP, but it does show a deep personal animosity. She's a woman who doesn't stay in her place, and that is absolutely unforgivable. While I remain undecided, I am tempted to vote for her just to see the collective shrinkage across America on election day.


What's hysterical is how you can cultivate outrage over campaigns run like all major campaigns, like "newsy" and with lots of people attending! If only she had the heart of a true Democrat like the folks here, she would be sure to exclude the vast majority of Americans and allow only the pure few who look, think, and piss exactly like her. But not Clinton, she lets the riff raff in.

Interesting that you know so little about campaign events, almost like you've never attended one in your life.

[NYC_SKP]

167. Not many events, no. Just Robert Kennedy and Jerry Brown.

I'm a bit of an agoraphobe.

A decade in Manhattan and I never did New Years at Times Square or St. Pats day or the Thanksgiving Parade-- too many people.

It's not secret that I don't like a single thing about either Clinton and I'm willing to find fault wherever I can and not be particularly quite about it.

We'll all survive me, I'm sure.

[BainsBane]

168. And you never read any of the emails about the Obama events either?

You did a pretty poor job of finding fault. If Sanders becomes popular enough, he will too issue tickets that don't guarantee admission. I have no doubt you will turn on a dime if that happens. We've already see people collective to about face on a number of subjects. That's the problem with a view of politics tied to individuals rather than principle and issues.

[Warren DeMontague]

165. Not to mention- Trey Anastasio on lead guitar?

She could have at least got Warren Haynes.

[4now]

169. Strange things that some people choose to get upset about

[William769]

170. ...

[NYC_SKP]

171. I LOVE IT! *nyc checks his phone and messages*

Grrr! Nothing there, prolly tied up in electronic traffic.

I should be so lucky, Bill!

That single pic has to be the single best used image for political snark since I don't know when.

[lamp_shade]

175. Beautiful.

[workinclasszero]

184. Nice

[L0oniX]

172. Yea ....I hear there's even a few rich people living on that island.

[NYC_SKP]

174. I was accused, upthread, of living or not really living on that island! Imagine the indignity!

I might have misunderstood the remark by my good friend, whose identity I shall protect, that might have been implying that it was a made up thing, my staying at a friend's place there after I moved back to the city after a summer back here.
And then others go on to suggest that I live by the ocean in LA!
LA!


If I ever come off like someone who lives in a beachhouse in Los Angeles, please smack me.

It's not a house, it's a teeny condominium, and it's not in LA- it's further north.

[misterhighwasted]

176. No. To Hillary's enormous fan base, its about Hillary 2016.

It is going to be a magnificent backdrop for Hillary Rodham Clinton's 1st Public Rally.
What an inspiring location!

On to 2016, Madam President

[Scootaloo]

177. Take a deep breath, NYC_SKIP

Not everything is nefarious.

[Warpy]

179. I pointed out yesterday it was a crazy ass venue if you wanted a crowd

There's one bridge, one subway stop, and that's about it. The bridge isn't that great, either, since Roosevelt Island prides itself on being nearly car free. The best way to get there is to walk across the bridge unless you want to be a sardine on an overcrowded subway car in June or crammed onto one of the shuttles going across the bridge.

Central Park might have assured her of the biggest crowd.

[Metric System]

180. Ugh, that's it. I'm logging out. You can have the echo chamber.

[840high]

183. I just read that her "women only" rally

not selling good - so she changed it to men allowed, too.

[dlwickham]

185. maybe you should volunteer your services

since you obviously know better than her staff does

[nichomachus]

187. Roosevelt Island also known as "Island of the Undesirables."

Not a good omen.

http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/islands-of-the-undesirables-roosevelt-island-blackwell-s-island

[AtomicKitten]

199. +1

[Warren DeMontague]

196. Mark me down for "this argument is silly", too.

When Obama drew ridiculous crowds in 2008, it was a good sign. How many people turned out in Grant Park on election night? Sure, it could have been a logistical nightmare.

But if that many people want to come out to see HRC, she's doing something right.

[joshcryer]

202. It's 2015, almost everyone has a smartphone.

Social media adapts pretty quickly these days.