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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:36 AM Dec 2014

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get a hobby! morningfog Dec 2014 #6
But it did remove THAT racist reply!!!! marble falls Dec 2014 #9
It looks like you pressed somebody's button, lol. morningfog Dec 2014 #5
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The fact you drew out the racist element so fast and hatefully earns a big k&r from me. Great post! marble falls Dec 2014 #7
Then behind the scenes..... Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #10
Wow, that close? daleanime Dec 2014 #13
Closed doors, nothing. I was on that jury and I voted 'leave it alone'.... marble falls Dec 2014 #14
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Exactly the same? gollygee Dec 2014 #22
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I keep missing something. LOL n/t gollygee Dec 2014 #30
Yeah, me, too, and I'm probably glad! Now, as a native-born Floridian, Nay Dec 2014 #59
I really think outrage against the word "cracker" is an attemt to gollygee Dec 2014 #62
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I respectfully disagree. It may very well mean something nasty to you. Here in Florida.. BlueJazz Dec 2014 #26
Thanks Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #40
In the old days on DU it was not OK. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #45
Apparently now it's just fine. DeadLetterOffice Dec 2014 #58
'Cracker' is as racist a term as 'blond' or 'Burt Bacharach fan' is. marble falls Dec 2014 #101
I have a different opinion Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #65
+100000 !! gollygee Dec 2014 #66
Add another 100000+ marble falls Dec 2014 #103
+1 n/t area51 Dec 2014 #112
It is a word used to disparage a group of people based on their race joeglow3 Dec 2014 #70
Its a term based on attitudes and values. When I call my grandfather a "cracker", who actually was marble falls Dec 2014 #106
People don't get to decide. The term is hurtful. Ask a parent of a Down's child what they think of joeglow3 Dec 2014 #109
cracker isn't on the same level of the 'r' word. And yes, people do get to decide. When I was a ... marble falls Dec 2014 #113
I have heard people say the same thing about the n word (they r talking about an attitude, not race) joeglow3 Dec 2014 #121
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Can you remove the 'C' word in this? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #11
Cracker is a 'c' word only on Sesame Street. marble falls Dec 2014 #15
It's also one my JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #18
This subject is close to me. Cracker doesn't offend me. Using it to claim some sort of reverse... marble falls Dec 2014 #24
She was cute JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #33
I would never have thought that people HappyMe Dec 2014 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #19
You can't judge intent JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #23
Offensive? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #21
I just do not equate 'cracker' HappyMe Dec 2014 #32
Oh trust me JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #36
Even if one person finds it offensive, is that too bad? yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #52
I'm sorry, but I find it HappyMe Dec 2014 #64
They are the saltines of the earth. Kablooie Dec 2014 #20
You're going to hell for that. BlueJazz Dec 2014 #28
"Cracker" =/= the N word. It's a good enough term to LeftinOH Dec 2014 #27
Bingo. Being called a cracker allows a racist to "feel" victimized. marble falls Dec 2014 #31
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Only racist crackers have a problem with cracker. morningfog Dec 2014 #35
+1 nt DawgHouse Dec 2014 #115
I agree with most of that except one thing zeemike Dec 2014 #37
The demonstrations may lead to nothing rock Dec 2014 #38
I don't agree brindis_desala Dec 2014 #39
This is pretty deep but some of your sentences are incomplete. snooper2 Dec 2014 #41
Wrong gollygee Dec 2014 #43
Yes, our "master" is losing his/her touch, not responding to anybody in the thread anyway. snooper2 Dec 2014 #44
So, now DU allows the word "cracker" Le Taz Hot Dec 2014 #42
It's bullshit, LTH. We used to delete or lock threads and posts for using it. What bullshit. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #46
I think the host/jury system is a proven failure by now. Rex Dec 2014 #72
All people ought to learn these important facts: If you want to change the police forces kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #47
You should self delete this racist rant. Shame on you. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #48
The jury messed up here. TMN is using 'cracker' as a general description, not as a directed epithet. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #49
In my opinion, no racial slurs whatever should be tolerated on DU. MineralMan Dec 2014 #50
Yup. Agschmid Dec 2014 #51
Absolutely agree DeadLetterOffice Dec 2014 #53
Thank you. MineralMan Dec 2014 #54
To believe that cracker is not a racist slur... TeeYiYi Dec 2014 #55
No - those words are all used against people who have been oppressed gollygee Dec 2014 #60
Oh my goodness. TeeYiYi Dec 2014 #63
Who the fuck appointed you? nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #71
Do you think white people are oppressed? gollygee Dec 2014 #74
I think sticking pins in something on the logic that you're tired of pins being stuck elsewhere Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #75
I just don't see why it's getting such a reaction gollygee Dec 2014 #77
Holy shit batman, we both agree on something. Rex Dec 2014 #78
So white people need to suffer and go through a horrible hardship for centuries Rex Dec 2014 #76
The word does not have a history and context associated with it that would cause offense gollygee Dec 2014 #79
Because it is a slur, no matter how many times you pretend to not know that. Rex Dec 2014 #80
I think your reasoning is strange gollygee Dec 2014 #81
Why would you say that? You think some slurs are okay then? Rex Dec 2014 #82
People could use a lot of things as a slur, but not all words have the same history and context gollygee Dec 2014 #84
Your logic is to then encourage its development as an offensive word. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #85
It can't even become particularly offensive, unless there's a huge power shift gollygee Dec 2014 #86
That is complete horseshit. Utterly and completely. nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #87
The problem is, you're not uniquely entitled to determine what is offensive Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #83
I don't care if it's used or not gollygee Dec 2014 #88
"Faux outrage." Cluckings of the self-appointed. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #89
That doesn't even make sense gollygee Dec 2014 #90
Part of the outrage is the OP's utter indifference in responding in his own thread. randome Dec 2014 #93
I think I've mainly responded to people gollygee Dec 2014 #94
Rex, I expected better from you. Nothing like that is going to happen to us white folks. marble falls Dec 2014 #108
Cracker compared to the word you know I'm talking bout...... marble falls Dec 2014 #110
Your post shows that you are very much a part of the "society who are indifferent" Renew Deal Dec 2014 #56
Geeze. It's like you discovered a new word. You used 'crackers' three times in one OP. randome Dec 2014 #57
If he'd only used it once... TeeYiYi Dec 2014 #69
"Crackers" Thespian2 Dec 2014 #61
+1 nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #68
I agree. librechik Dec 2014 #73
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #91
You were alerted on. It wasn't me though. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #100
Only 85 posts? I thought feather-ruffling threads... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #92
What is the word 'cracker' supposed to mean in the context of the OP ? Bonx Dec 2014 #95
Whites, which implies that "there are too many whites" in a police department. randome Dec 2014 #96
Which would be *totally* fine to say at DU! lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #98
Where do you draw the line?... TeeYiYi Dec 2014 #99
So what number brings it down to 'not too many'? Or is it a percentage? randome Dec 2014 #105
I dislike being called a cracker. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #97
'Nothing"??? One post and the OP knows "nothing" at all about human nature? nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #102
Insulting me does not make me an ally. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #118
One post and the OP know 'nothing' about human nature? You didn't answer my question. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #120
Who calledyou, 'cracker'? What is your concept of who/what a cracker is? marble falls Dec 2014 #111
Can you change the c word to Nazis? That's what they really are. librechik Dec 2014 #104
Well it looks like the OP stirred up a nice shit storm B2G Dec 2014 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author DawgHouse Dec 2014 #114
What you said: +10000 marble falls Dec 2014 #116
Okay. How about too many white people become cops? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #119
I don't need to see the C-word to understand how offensive the N-word is Takket Dec 2014 #117

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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
6. get a hobby!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:16 AM
Dec 2014

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
9. But it did remove THAT racist reply!!!!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:22 AM
Dec 2014
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
5. It looks like you pressed somebody's button, lol.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:15 AM
Dec 2014

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marble falls

(57,556 posts)
7. The fact you drew out the racist element so fast and hatefully earns a big k&r from me. Great post!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:19 AM
Dec 2014

We fell asleep and racism has gotten much worse, but it isn't too late. Keep on fighting it and getting angry about it. I am not letting a bunch of cracker racist scum keep me back and quiet.I don't want to wake up one day in the fourth reich.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
10. Then behind the scenes.....
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:25 AM
Dec 2014

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Nothing Will Change Despite Demonstrations. Police Too Infiltrated By Crackers. Leadership Is Worst
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025932095

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The use of the word "crackers" is racist and offensive.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:08 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Remove the word "cracker" there are plenty of more appropriate terms and descriptions.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nope. Not buying the "reverse racism" crap. I've noticed over the years that those who cry "racism against whites" are (purposely) blind to the racism that infects every segment of our society, culture, and systems. It's the bullies "defense" when someone fights back or stands up to them; bullies call their targets bullies to put them on the defensive. It works well against the left who practice tolerance. The kkk started with this concept of "proud to be white" and limbaugh, et. al. expanded it to explain how "down-trodden and oppressed" the "white race" is now that "non-whites" are "taking away the whites god-given right of superiority." Nope. Whenever I see someone calling "reverse racism," I see a racist bully attributing their prejudices to others. I'll be alone in this; tough. Leave it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Racism will be very had to overcome.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: FFS all those poor, oppressed white people. What a ridiculous alert.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
13. Wow, that close?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:31 AM
Dec 2014

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
14. Closed doors, nothing. I was on that jury and I voted 'leave it alone'....
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:36 AM
Dec 2014

Did you happen to read what the hidden posts said???? I did. I certainly hope you aren't obliquely equating the 'n' word to "cracker". Because they are not the same kind of words.

From wikipedia:

The etymology of the term "cracker" is uncertain.[3]

One theory holds that slave foremen in the antebellum South used bullwhips to discipline African slaves, with such use of the whip being described as "cracking the whip." The white foremen who cracked these whips thus became known as "crackers."[4][5][6] Contemporary sources suggest, however, that it was not slaves but pack animals over which the whips were "cracked."[7][8]

"The whips used by some of these people are called 'crackers', from their having a piece of buckskin at the end. Hence the people who cracked the whips came to be thus named."[8]

Another whip-derived theory traces this term from the Middle English cnac, craic, or crak, which originally meant the sound of a cracking whip but came to refer to "loud conversation, bragging talk".[9] In Elizabethan times this could refer to "entertaining conversation" (one may be said to "crack" a joke) and cracker could be used to describe loud braggarts; this term and the Gaelic spelling craic are still in use in Ireland, Scotland and Northern England. It is documented in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?"[10][11] This usage is illustrated in a letter to the Earl of Dartmouth which reads:

"I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode."[3]

A "cracker cowboy" with his Florida Cracker Horse and dog by Frederick Remington, 1895

An alternative theory holds that the term comes from the common diet of poor whites. The 1911 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica supposes that the term derives from the cracked kernels of corn which formed the staple food of this class of people,[12] but the Oxford English Dictionary ("cracker", definition 4) says a derivation from "corn-cracker" is doubtful.

Another alternative is that the term is derived from "soda cracker," which is a white unleavened bread product made with baking soda, such as Saltines. Hence, the phrase "white soda cracker" is a derogatory term for white people.
Usage

Frederick Law Olmsted, a prominent landscape architect from Connecticut, visited the South as a journalist in the 1850s and wrote that "some crackers owned a good many Negroes, and were by no means so poor as their appearance indicated."[13]

"Cracker" has also been used as a proud or jocular self-description. With the huge influx of new residents from the North, "cracker" is used informally by some white residents of Florida and Georgia ("Florida cracker" or "Georgia cracker&quot to indicate that their family has lived there for many generations. However, the term "white cracker" is seldom used self-referentially and remains an offensive racial slur used to demean Caucasians.[14]

In 1947, the student body of Florida State University voted on the name of their athletic symbol. From a list of more than 100 choices, Seminoles was selected. The other finalists, in order of finish, were Statesmen, Rebels, Tarpons, Fighting Warriors, and Crackers.[15][16]
Georgia Cracker label depicting a boy with peaches

Crackin' Good Snacks (a division of Winn-Dixie, a Southern grocery chain) has sold crackers similar to Ritz crackers under the name "Georgia Crackers". They sometimes were packaged in a red tin with a picture of The Crescent, an antebellum plantation house in Valdosta, Georgia.

Before the Milwaukee Braves baseball team moved to Atlanta, Georgia, the Atlanta minor league baseball team was known as the "Atlanta Crackers". The team existed under this name from 1901 until 1965. They were members of the Southern Association from their inception until 1961, and members of the International League from 1961 until they were moved to Richmond, Virginia in 1965. However, it is suggested[who?] the name was derived from players "cracking" the baseball bat and this origin makes sense when considering the Atlanta Negro League Baseball team was known as the "Atlanta Black Crackers".

The Florida Cracker Trail is a route which cuts across southern Florida, following the historic trail of the old cattle drives. In this context, the term refers to the cracking of the whips used by the Florida drovers.

Singer-songwriter Randy Newman, on his socio-politically themed album Good Old Boys (1974) uses the term "cracker" on the song "Kingfish" ("I'm a cracker, You one too, Gonna take good care of you&quot . The song's subject is Huey Long, populist Governor and then Senator for Louisiana (1928–1935). The term is also used in "Louisiana 1927" from the same album, where the line "Ain't it a shame what the river has done to this poor cracker's land" is attributed to President Coolidge.

In the 1972 film, Deliverance, Burt Reynolds' character Lewis Medlock refers to the backwoods Appalachians as "crackers."

Response to marble falls (Reply #14)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
22. Exactly the same?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:54 AM
Dec 2014

I don't recall people being kidnapped, shipped over, and then sold as chattel under the name "cracker." What history book was that in?

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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
30. I keep missing something. LOL n/t
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:17 AM
Dec 2014

Nay

(12,051 posts)
59. Yeah, me, too, and I'm probably glad! Now, as a native-born Floridian,
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:23 AM
Dec 2014

I can report that "cracker" is not a derogatory word like "n****r." As I was growing up, it referred to the descendants of the original whites who settled in FL and GA. You might say, "Oh, he's just an old cracker" and basically mean "he's an old redneck." Both terms can be used just as description or can be said in a derogatory way, but neither word ever reaches the nastiness of the n word. Just IMO.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
62. I really think outrage against the word "cracker" is an attemt to
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:25 AM
Dec 2014

fight against anti-racism. "See, we're victims toooo!!11!1"

White people are not victims of oppression. The word "cracker" hurts no one, and I've only seen this much attention to it from Glen Beck and other right-wing sources.

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BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
26. I respectfully disagree. It may very well mean something nasty to you. Here in Florida..
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:05 AM
Dec 2014

...or should I say "this part of Florida", it's often associated with someone who grew up here....and means just that, No big deal.
Perhaps in other places the meaning is a lot more derogatory.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
40. Thanks
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:37 AM
Dec 2014

I voted to leave it as well.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
45. In the old days on DU it was not OK.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:55 AM
Dec 2014

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
58. Apparently now it's just fine.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:23 AM
Dec 2014

I think 'reverse racism' is a joke.
But I think racial slurs of any sort are unnecessary, especially here.

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
101. 'Cracker' is as racist a term as 'blond' or 'Burt Bacharach fan' is.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:49 PM
Dec 2014

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
65. I have a different opinion
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:31 AM
Dec 2014

as do others in this thread. As someone else mentioned, "cracker" does not carry the same connotation as many other vile racial slurs. In fact, I think the whole concept of a white "racial slur" is ludicrous and dismissive of our history of disgusting racism in this country.

As far as what "used to be" okay or not okay around here, that ship sailed a long time ago.....

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
66. +100000 !!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:34 AM
Dec 2014

"I think the whole concept of a white 'racial slur' is ludicrous and dismissive of our history of disgusting racism in this country."

I think it's intentionally dismissive. White people do not and have not suffered due to this word.

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
103. Add another 100000+
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:50 PM
Dec 2014

area51

(11,944 posts)
112. +1 n/t
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:18 PM
Dec 2014
 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
70. It is a word used to disparage a group of people based on their race
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:39 AM
Dec 2014

No one in their right mind would claim it is in the same sport as the n word (let alone the same park). That said, the word IS intended to disparage people based on race and is wrong.

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
106. Its a term based on attitudes and values. When I call my grandfather a "cracker", who actually was
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:57 PM
Dec 2014

proud of being a cracker, explain how racist I am. Its like calling John Boehner a Tea Bagger. How racist is that?

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
109. People don't get to decide. The term is hurtful. Ask a parent of a Down's child what they think of
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:05 PM
Dec 2014

"retarded".

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
113. cracker isn't on the same level of the 'r' word. And yes, people do get to decide. When I was a ...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:25 PM
Dec 2014

kid, guess what licorice babies and Brazil nuts used to be called? People decided to call them that and then people decided to call them something else. Crackers are still called crackers. Cracker is an attitude, not a racial classification.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
121. I have heard people say the same thing about the n word (they r talking about an attitude, not race)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:41 PM
Dec 2014

I still don't think they have a right to use it.

Response to marble falls (Reply #7)

JustAnotherGen

(32,047 posts)
11. Can you remove the 'C' word in this?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:27 AM
Dec 2014

Your point is well taken by me - but DU just had a thread lock this weekend because of a subject line with the N word in it. I agreed with that.

We need a higher level of conversation and this won't get us to it. And well - there are some folks at DU (infiltrators) that automatically need the vapors when we tell the truth. As you can see by the number of times that guy 'Name something or another' tried posting.


ETA - Oh well - at least a lot of folks are gonna get Pizza Deliveries today!

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
15. Cracker is a 'c' word only on Sesame Street.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:38 AM
Dec 2014

JustAnotherGen

(32,047 posts)
18. It's also one my
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:51 AM
Dec 2014

Great Aunt Jenny (she died three years ago) used to describe white people not in her family. Evidently the Irish off the boat Grandfather and Cherokee grandmother of hers started using it in the 1890's. They changed those two to black on the census when their oldest daughter married a black man in 1898. I kind of see their point . . . if they were no longer a mixed race white/native couple - then they had the right.


She was black (Aunt Jenny) . Those folks down South who were born in the first 15 years of the last century pretty much used that as their 'go to' (at least in my dad's family they did) whenever describing white people who weren't in their family to us kids - that they encountered in Mississippi and Alabama back then.

Monolith - all white folks are crackers.

So there's more to my 'disapproval' than meets the eye.

And the best part of Aunt Jenny - she would always stop - look at my mom and say . . .

Oh honey I'm NOT talking about you. I'm not a racist.

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
24. This subject is close to me. Cracker doesn't offend me. Using it to claim some sort of reverse...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:59 AM
Dec 2014

bugs me. I imagine your Aunt Jenny was a powerful and good presence in your life. Thank G*d for all the Aunt Jennings.

JustAnotherGen

(32,047 posts)
33. She was cute
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:25 AM
Dec 2014

She really was. She left Alabama and move up to Aliquippa PA about 10 years after her husband was lynched.

Hated white folks all of her life because of that. Unless you were in her family - then she was AOK. The last few years she was alive (my mom's dad's family were Western PA/Pittsburgh German ancestry natives) she and my mom's uncle Gerry became very very good friends. That was HUGE for her - because she had such a blind fear of white males for the majority of her life.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
16. I would never have thought that people
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:44 AM
Dec 2014

find 'cracker' offensive. But I guess by that close jury they do.

Response to HappyMe (Reply #16)

JustAnotherGen

(32,047 posts)
23. You can't judge intent
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:54 AM
Dec 2014

We are asked to overlook that all the time - the African American members at DU. You can't hide on intent - only on TOS and Community Standards and Direct/Personal Attacks. Those are generally the big 'three' reasons to hide.

JustAnotherGen

(32,047 posts)
21. Offensive?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:53 AM
Dec 2014

Thinking there may be some older du'ers who really have ALWAYS had good hearts that would never drop an n-bomb that might be thinking . . . uh - this isn't right.

And the reality is - they probably agree with every single word the Master's wrote. I know I do!

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
32. I just do not equate 'cracker'
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:22 AM
Dec 2014

with the n word in any way. The n word is off the charts on the richter scale, the other - not even close.



I guess the whole whiny 'white people too!1' thing gets on my nerves.

JustAnotherGen

(32,047 posts)
36. Oh trust me
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:26 AM
Dec 2014

It gets on my nerves. We're discussing it in the AA Group the past few days.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
52. Even if one person finds it offensive, is that too bad?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:14 AM
Dec 2014

I would think being progressive and liberal we would be able to find a more intelligent word to use. This thread is a waste now when it could have been a meaningful discussion.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
64. I'm sorry, but I find it
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:27 AM
Dec 2014

a bit ridiculous that someone finds the word offensive. I haven't heard anyone use this word for at least 10 years. Maybe the word should not have been used. But to me, in the light of the fact that black people are more likely to be harassed or killed by the police - a word is hardly something to get upset about. There are a lot of angry people out there, and they have good reason to be. The fact is, is that maybe the poster used the word to get people's attention. Plenty of people use foul language to get attention for their posts.

I am one white (cracker ) woman that finds the hysteria over this a bit weird.

Kablooie

(18,648 posts)
20. They are the saltines of the earth.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:53 AM
Dec 2014
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
28. You're going to hell for that.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:12 AM
Dec 2014

LeftinOH

(5,359 posts)
27. "Cracker" =/= the N word. It's a good enough term to
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:06 AM
Dec 2014

use when referring to subconsciously-racist caucasians who insist they aren't racist. Kind of like the crackers who keep referring to the current President as a "racist".

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
31. Bingo. Being called a cracker allows a racist to "feel" victimized.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:17 AM
Dec 2014

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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
35. Only racist crackers have a problem with cracker.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:25 AM
Dec 2014

As can be seen by the repeatedly banned racist cracker in this thread.

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
115. +1 nt
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:28 PM
Dec 2014

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
37. I agree with most of that except one thing
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:26 AM
Dec 2014

The GOP did not win the election the Democrats lost it.
And you are right, the racism is right out in the open now.

rock

(13,218 posts)
38. The demonstrations may lead to nothing
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:32 AM
Dec 2014

other than getting out the vote at next election and getting in some leaders who will change things (Democrats)!

brindis_desala

(907 posts)
39. I don't agree
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:33 AM
Dec 2014

That kind of thinking only broadens the divide. Sure there are some policeman too fearful or pissed off to change, but change is difficult, and white supremacy has been the norm for way too long to die overnight. The change will come when their kids wake up to the fact that the most dangerous criminals wear suits and ties.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
41. This is pretty deep but some of your sentences are incomplete.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:40 AM
Dec 2014

You don't start a sentence with "and" for example number one. For this you get a C- I would delete thread and try again.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
43. Wrong
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:45 AM
Dec 2014

It's fine to start a sentence with a conjunction. Is that really your complaint?

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/can-i-start-a-sentence-with-a-conjunction

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
44. Yes, our "master" is losing his/her touch, not responding to anybody in the thread anyway.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:50 AM
Dec 2014

We can have a side conversation about hickory coffee tables if you like though. This thread needs something to make it worthwile.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
42. So, now DU allows the word "cracker"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:43 AM
Dec 2014

to represent white people. Well, this DUer won't ever see your posts again and DU will also never get another dime from this cracker. Fuck this racist terminology.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
46. It's bullshit, LTH. We used to delete or lock threads and posts for using it. What bullshit.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:56 AM
Dec 2014
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
72. I think the host/jury system is a proven failure by now.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:41 AM
Dec 2014

Since there is no way to keep trolls off of either one, we need moderators again that will do what the jury won't do and the hosts cannot do. And this is coming from a person that was done with moderators on DU2.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
47. All people ought to learn these important facts: If you want to change the police forces
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:57 AM
Dec 2014

in this country..GET THE HELL OUT AND VOTE IN STATE AND LOCAL ELECTIONS!!

People who HIRE police and who supervise them are elected or appointed at the STATE and LOCAL levels. The courts are mostly controlled at the state and local levels. Your COUNTY and other smaller state entities elect officials who shape your local policies and political actions. ACCOUNTABILITY begins in your neighborhoods and local jurisdictions.
i can't say this enough. Foolish Dems allow this situation to be ruled by the RW. No state or local office should ever go unopposed by either side.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
48. You should self delete this racist rant. Shame on you.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:58 AM
Dec 2014

It's not OK to use epithets against any group based solely on the color of their skin.

What is your problem? How is this OK?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1931664#1934630

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
49. The jury messed up here. TMN is using 'cracker' as a general description, not as a directed epithet.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:03 AM
Dec 2014


"The GOP and conservatives won election based on meme that government protects minorities at the expense of crackers."

This is the key phrase. Offensive.

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)
50. In my opinion, no racial slurs whatever should be tolerated on DU.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:07 AM
Dec 2014

Not this one or any other. Even supposedly mild ones should not be used. I will vote to hide any post that contains them, any time I am called to be on a DU jury, and I hope others will do the same.

There's no need for them, and much to recommend that they not be used. Period.

I urge you to self-delete this OP, since it was not hidden by a jury. Please do that to show respect for others.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
51. Yup.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:12 AM
Dec 2014

OP should self delete.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
53. Absolutely agree
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:19 AM
Dec 2014

Shameful

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)
54. Thank you.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:20 AM
Dec 2014

I've joined you in asking the OP to self-delete out of respect.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
55. To believe that cracker is not a racist slur...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:21 AM
Dec 2014

...you would also have to approve of words like kike, spic, heeb, wop, coon, frog, chink, gook, etc.

If you don't feel all warm and fuzzy about the words I just mentioned, you shouldn't be giving the big thumbs up to 'cracker.'

I'm not going to get all weepy if someone calls me a cracker but I guarantee you, it IS a racist slur.

Fyi, I voted to hide.

TYY

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
60. No - those words are all used against people who have been oppressed
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:23 AM
Dec 2014

and they were most common during periods of greatest oppression.

White people are not oppressed.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
63. Oh my goodness.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:25 AM
Dec 2014

TYY

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
71. Who the fuck appointed you? nt
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:41 AM
Dec 2014

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
74. Do you think white people are oppressed?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:41 AM
Dec 2014

Is the word cracker associated with oppression?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
75. I think sticking pins in something on the logic that you're tired of pins being stuck elsewhere
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:46 AM
Dec 2014

is stupid and unnecessary. And divisive. But hey, you've appointed yourself to decide for everyone,
so please press on.

Jury of one.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
77. I just don't see why it's getting such a reaction
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:49 AM
Dec 2014

I can't think of a situation where I'd use that word in a post, but my God the reaction is ridiculous. No one is being hurt here. This word does not have the history that slurs associated with oppression have. But I see so many people freaking out over how horrible it is. It just isn't anywhere near as big a deal.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
78. Holy shit batman, we both agree on something.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:50 AM
Dec 2014

Pretzel logic of the worst kind.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
76. So white people need to suffer and go through a horrible hardship for centuries
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:49 AM
Dec 2014

and THEN you will stop using the word? That is some pretzel logic if I ever heard it.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
79. The word does not have a history and context associated with it that would cause offense
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:51 AM
Dec 2014

African Americans aren't bothered by n**** because of the word. It's the history of slavery, lynchings, jim crow, and everything else associated with it. There is nothing like that associated with the word "cracker" that explains why it's creating such offense.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
80. Because it is a slur, no matter how many times you pretend to not know that.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:52 AM
Dec 2014

Like I said, your reasoning is strange imo.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
81. I think your reasoning is strange
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:54 AM
Dec 2014

The word has no context to create such a reaction.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
82. Why would you say that? You think some slurs are okay then?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:55 AM
Dec 2014

Your choice.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
84. People could use a lot of things as a slur, but not all words have the same history and context
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:59 AM
Dec 2014

I can't imagine ever creating a post with the word "cracker" in it. I don't think I've ever used that word except to discuss it, or in the food-related sense. But I think it's ridiculous to suggest it's really that offensive, and to carry on about it, and to equate it to slurs that are part of the history of racism, xenophobia, anti-semitism, and slavery in this country, like the slurs I've seen it compared to are.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
85. Your logic is to then encourage its development as an offensive word.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:02 PM
Dec 2014

Honestly, you just don't get it, do you?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
86. It can't even become particularly offensive, unless there's a huge power shift
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:05 PM
Dec 2014

You don't get how racism actually works, do you? White people have the overwhelming majority of power in this country. There is no ability for anyone else to oppress white people as a group.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
87. That is complete horseshit. Utterly and completely. nt
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:07 PM
Dec 2014

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
83. The problem is, you're not uniquely entitled to determine what is offensive
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:56 AM
Dec 2014

despite your apparent claims to the contrary.

In any case, why would you want a divisive word to be deemed appropriate on a progressive website? Why is that OK with you?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
88. I don't care if it's used or not
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:07 PM
Dec 2014

I'm disturbed by the huge show of faux outrage. I think it's an intentional attempt to be dismissive of actual racism.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
89. "Faux outrage." Cluckings of the self-appointed.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:08 PM
Dec 2014

If your neighbor's dog died, you'd kill your own in solidarity. Weak. Very weak.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
90. That doesn't even make sense
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:09 PM
Dec 2014

If my neighbor's dog died .. . ? What??

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
93. Part of the outrage is the OP's utter indifference in responding in his own thread.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:15 PM
Dec 2014

You may be technically correct that 'crackers' does not carry the same connotation as the 'n'-word but it is still a divisive term. I don't see the harm in admitting that much but you seem dedicated to 'proving' everyone else wrong.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
94. I think I've mainly responded to people
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:21 PM
Dec 2014

who responded to me.

I can't understand seeing African Americans killed unjustly week after week, with no justice, and having that be so high up in the news and at DU lately, and while DU is going through that, getting so outraged over the word "cracker." No one in my family has gotten killed because they were white, so I can't get too upset about words used against white people. It seems obscene to get this upset over something so little when people are actually dying because of their skin color. Why not think, "There's a lot of anger and frustration right now" and move on?

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
108. Rex, I expected better from you. Nothing like that is going to happen to us white folks.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:02 PM
Dec 2014

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
110. Cracker compared to the word you know I'm talking bout......
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:05 PM
Dec 2014

Renew Deal

(81,900 posts)
56. Your post shows that you are very much a part of the "society who are indifferent"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:21 AM
Dec 2014
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
57. Geeze. It's like you discovered a new word. You used 'crackers' three times in one OP.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:22 AM
Dec 2014

Fail.

We get it. You're a reverse racist. You think you can prove your bona-fides by using a racist term directed at whites. You still failed.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
[/center][/font][hr]

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
69. If he'd only used it once...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:39 AM
Dec 2014

...I would have looked the other way. It was the excessive usage that convinced me of the OP's questionable intent. I voted to hide; not that it did me any good.

TYY

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
61. "Crackers"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:25 AM
Dec 2014

is a racist term. Do we fight racism by pointing out that we are racists who say "Police Too Infiltrated by Crackers?" I'm sure that simply calling names will indeed solve the problem. Not. Electing people on the local level who will change the disastrous polices of ALEX and those put forward by corporate shills will begin to change the police departments in America. The change will not come at all unless citizens continue to protest in the streets. The corporate owners of America are willing to wait out the protestors. The police are willing to harm them.

Perhaps someone will check to see how many police personnel are ex-military. A large percentage of military training time is spent taking the humanity out of a recruit so that person will be able to kill another human being.

On the streets of America, we now have a situation which gives a free pass to police who shoot first regardless of the situation. These people are trained killers. Trained by the military and the local government.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
68. +1 nt
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:37 AM
Dec 2014

librechik

(30,678 posts)
73. I agree.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:41 AM
Dec 2014

this is a generational problem which will require too much education for anyone to pay for. We have to change them ourselves, apparently through social media. But it will happen, in about 20 years.


Or not. I'm not hopeful for this stupid deranged country. Especially over the next few years with the repubs back in charge.

Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
100. You were alerted on. It wasn't me though. nt
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:48 PM
Dec 2014

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
92. Only 85 posts? I thought feather-ruffling threads...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:13 PM
Dec 2014

had to go to at least 150 before noon or they weren't serious.

C'mon everyone, the bad guy was canned and this is going nowhere-- let's get back to slamming Obama and Hillary like good little DUers.

Bonx

(2,082 posts)
95. What is the word 'cracker' supposed to mean in the context of the OP ?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:26 PM
Dec 2014
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
96. Whites, which implies that "there are too many whites" in a police department.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:29 PM
Dec 2014

Which further implies that problems would be solved by removing them.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
98. Which would be *totally* fine to say at DU!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:34 PM
Dec 2014

This place amuses me sometimes.

Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many honkies.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
99. Where do you draw the line?...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:45 PM
Dec 2014

Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many honkies.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many kikes.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many spics.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many heebs.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many wops.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many coons.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many frogs.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many chinks.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many gooks.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many wetbacks.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many squaws.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many micks.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many hymies.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many injuns.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many dagos.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many coolies...

TYY

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
105. So what number brings it down to 'not too many'? Or is it a percentage?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:52 PM
Dec 2014

Racism is the problem, not color. More black officers would help but, in the end, it's about more than that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
97. I dislike being called a cracker.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:31 PM
Dec 2014

The generally accepted DU etiquette is to avoid directing slurs at people.

If you think that your choice of language "raises awareness" or some such, you demonstrably know nothing about human nature.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
102. 'Nothing"??? One post and the OP knows "nothing" at all about human nature? nt
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:49 PM
Dec 2014
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
118. Insulting me does not make me an ally.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:32 PM
Dec 2014

If you find this a novel argument then there are things you can learn too.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
120. One post and the OP know 'nothing' about human nature? You didn't answer my question. nt
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:40 PM
Dec 2014

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
111. Who calledyou, 'cracker'? What is your concept of who/what a cracker is?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:07 PM
Dec 2014

librechik

(30,678 posts)
104. Can you change the c word to Nazis? That's what they really are.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:51 PM
Dec 2014
 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
107. Well it looks like the OP stirred up a nice shit storm
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:58 PM
Dec 2014

and promptly disappeared. Lol.

Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

marble falls

(57,556 posts)
116. What you said: +10000
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:29 PM
Dec 2014
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
119. Okay. How about too many white people become cops?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:38 PM
Dec 2014

They are infiltrating our police forces and beating up people like white people do.
There, fixed it! Totally not racist now!

Takket

(21,715 posts)
117. I don't need to see the C-word to understand how offensive the N-word is
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:31 PM
Dec 2014

The OP is counterproductive, offensive, condescending, irrational and not at all in the spirit of community and equality that so called "Progressives" claim to promote.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

If you want to know if this OP helps or hurts heal the divide between races, ask yourself honestly, would Dr. King have written and posted something like this?

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