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morningfog
(18,115 posts)marble falls
(57,556 posts)morningfog
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marble falls
(57,556 posts)We fell asleep and racism has gotten much worse, but it isn't too late. Keep on fighting it and getting angry about it. I am not letting a bunch of cracker racist scum keep me back and quiet.I don't want to wake up one day in the fourth reich.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
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Nothing Will Change Despite Demonstrations. Police Too Infiltrated By Crackers. Leadership Is Worst
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025932095
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The use of the word "crackers" is racist and offensive.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:08 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Remove the word "cracker" there are plenty of more appropriate terms and descriptions.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nope. Not buying the "reverse racism" crap. I've noticed over the years that those who cry "racism against whites" are (purposely) blind to the racism that infects every segment of our society, culture, and systems. It's the bullies "defense" when someone fights back or stands up to them; bullies call their targets bullies to put them on the defensive. It works well against the left who practice tolerance. The kkk started with this concept of "proud to be white" and limbaugh, et. al. expanded it to explain how "down-trodden and oppressed" the "white race" is now that "non-whites" are "taking away the whites god-given right of superiority." Nope. Whenever I see someone calling "reverse racism," I see a racist bully attributing their prejudices to others. I'll be alone in this; tough. Leave it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Racism will be very had to overcome.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: FFS all those poor, oppressed white people. What a ridiculous alert.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)marble falls
(57,556 posts)Did you happen to read what the hidden posts said???? I did. I certainly hope you aren't obliquely equating the 'n' word to "cracker". Because they are not the same kind of words.
From wikipedia:
The etymology of the term "cracker" is uncertain.[3]
One theory holds that slave foremen in the antebellum South used bullwhips to discipline African slaves, with such use of the whip being described as "cracking the whip." The white foremen who cracked these whips thus became known as "crackers."[4][5][6] Contemporary sources suggest, however, that it was not slaves but pack animals over which the whips were "cracked."[7][8]
"The whips used by some of these people are called 'crackers', from their having a piece of buckskin at the end. Hence the people who cracked the whips came to be thus named."[8]
Another whip-derived theory traces this term from the Middle English cnac, craic, or crak, which originally meant the sound of a cracking whip but came to refer to "loud conversation, bragging talk".[9] In Elizabethan times this could refer to "entertaining conversation" (one may be said to "crack" a joke) and cracker could be used to describe loud braggarts; this term and the Gaelic spelling craic are still in use in Ireland, Scotland and Northern England. It is documented in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?"[10][11] This usage is illustrated in a letter to the Earl of Dartmouth which reads:
"I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode."[3]
A "cracker cowboy" with his Florida Cracker Horse and dog by Frederick Remington, 1895
An alternative theory holds that the term comes from the common diet of poor whites. The 1911 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica supposes that the term derives from the cracked kernels of corn which formed the staple food of this class of people,[12] but the Oxford English Dictionary ("cracker", definition 4) says a derivation from "corn-cracker" is doubtful.
Another alternative is that the term is derived from "soda cracker," which is a white unleavened bread product made with baking soda, such as Saltines. Hence, the phrase "white soda cracker" is a derogatory term for white people.
Usage
Frederick Law Olmsted, a prominent landscape architect from Connecticut, visited the South as a journalist in the 1850s and wrote that "some crackers owned a good many Negroes, and were by no means so poor as their appearance indicated."[13]
"Cracker" has also been used as a proud or jocular self-description. With the huge influx of new residents from the North, "cracker" is used informally by some white residents of Florida and Georgia ("Florida cracker" or "Georgia cracker" to indicate that their family has lived there for many generations. However, the term "white cracker" is seldom used self-referentially and remains an offensive racial slur used to demean Caucasians.[14]
In 1947, the student body of Florida State University voted on the name of their athletic symbol. From a list of more than 100 choices, Seminoles was selected. The other finalists, in order of finish, were Statesmen, Rebels, Tarpons, Fighting Warriors, and Crackers.[15][16]
Georgia Cracker label depicting a boy with peaches
Crackin' Good Snacks (a division of Winn-Dixie, a Southern grocery chain) has sold crackers similar to Ritz crackers under the name "Georgia Crackers". They sometimes were packaged in a red tin with a picture of The Crescent, an antebellum plantation house in Valdosta, Georgia.
Before the Milwaukee Braves baseball team moved to Atlanta, Georgia, the Atlanta minor league baseball team was known as the "Atlanta Crackers". The team existed under this name from 1901 until 1965. They were members of the Southern Association from their inception until 1961, and members of the International League from 1961 until they were moved to Richmond, Virginia in 1965. However, it is suggested[who?] the name was derived from players "cracking" the baseball bat and this origin makes sense when considering the Atlanta Negro League Baseball team was known as the "Atlanta Black Crackers".
The Florida Cracker Trail is a route which cuts across southern Florida, following the historic trail of the old cattle drives. In this context, the term refers to the cracking of the whips used by the Florida drovers.
Singer-songwriter Randy Newman, on his socio-politically themed album Good Old Boys (1974) uses the term "cracker" on the song "Kingfish" ("I'm a cracker, You one too, Gonna take good care of you" . The song's subject is Huey Long, populist Governor and then Senator for Louisiana (19281935). The term is also used in "Louisiana 1927" from the same album, where the line "Ain't it a shame what the river has done to this poor cracker's land" is attributed to President Coolidge.
In the 1972 film, Deliverance, Burt Reynolds' character Lewis Medlock refers to the backwoods Appalachians as "crackers."
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gollygee
(22,336 posts)I don't recall people being kidnapped, shipped over, and then sold as chattel under the name "cracker." What history book was that in?
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gollygee
(22,336 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)I can report that "cracker" is not a derogatory word like "n****r." As I was growing up, it referred to the descendants of the original whites who settled in FL and GA. You might say, "Oh, he's just an old cracker" and basically mean "he's an old redneck." Both terms can be used just as description or can be said in a derogatory way, but neither word ever reaches the nastiness of the n word. Just IMO.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)fight against anti-racism. "See, we're victims toooo!!11!1"
White people are not victims of oppression. The word "cracker" hurts no one, and I've only seen this much attention to it from Glen Beck and other right-wing sources.
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BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...or should I say "this part of Florida", it's often associated with someone who grew up here....and means just that, No big deal.
Perhaps in other places the meaning is a lot more derogatory.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I voted to leave it as well.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It's still not OK.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1931664#1934630
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)I think 'reverse racism' is a joke.
But I think racial slurs of any sort are unnecessary, especially here.
marble falls
(57,556 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)as do others in this thread. As someone else mentioned, "cracker" does not carry the same connotation as many other vile racial slurs. In fact, I think the whole concept of a white "racial slur" is ludicrous and dismissive of our history of disgusting racism in this country.
As far as what "used to be" okay or not okay around here, that ship sailed a long time ago.....
gollygee
(22,336 posts)"I think the whole concept of a white 'racial slur' is ludicrous and dismissive of our history of disgusting racism in this country."
I think it's intentionally dismissive. White people do not and have not suffered due to this word.
marble falls
(57,556 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)No one in their right mind would claim it is in the same sport as the n word (let alone the same park). That said, the word IS intended to disparage people based on race and is wrong.
marble falls
(57,556 posts)proud of being a cracker, explain how racist I am. Its like calling John Boehner a Tea Bagger. How racist is that?
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)"retarded".
marble falls
(57,556 posts)kid, guess what licorice babies and Brazil nuts used to be called? People decided to call them that and then people decided to call them something else. Crackers are still called crackers. Cracker is an attitude, not a racial classification.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)I still don't think they have a right to use it.
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JustAnotherGen
(32,047 posts)Your point is well taken by me - but DU just had a thread lock this weekend because of a subject line with the N word in it. I agreed with that.
We need a higher level of conversation and this won't get us to it. And well - there are some folks at DU (infiltrators) that automatically need the vapors when we tell the truth. As you can see by the number of times that guy 'Name something or another' tried posting.
ETA - Oh well - at least a lot of folks are gonna get Pizza Deliveries today!
marble falls
(57,556 posts)JustAnotherGen
(32,047 posts)Great Aunt Jenny (she died three years ago) used to describe white people not in her family. Evidently the Irish off the boat Grandfather and Cherokee grandmother of hers started using it in the 1890's. They changed those two to black on the census when their oldest daughter married a black man in 1898. I kind of see their point . . . if they were no longer a mixed race white/native couple - then they had the right.
She was black (Aunt Jenny) . Those folks down South who were born in the first 15 years of the last century pretty much used that as their 'go to' (at least in my dad's family they did) whenever describing white people who weren't in their family to us kids - that they encountered in Mississippi and Alabama back then.
Monolith - all white folks are crackers.
So there's more to my 'disapproval' than meets the eye.
And the best part of Aunt Jenny - she would always stop - look at my mom and say . . .
Oh honey I'm NOT talking about you. I'm not a racist.
marble falls
(57,556 posts)bugs me. I imagine your Aunt Jenny was a powerful and good presence in your life. Thank G*d for all the Aunt Jennings.
JustAnotherGen
(32,047 posts)She really was. She left Alabama and move up to Aliquippa PA about 10 years after her husband was lynched.
Hated white folks all of her life because of that. Unless you were in her family - then she was AOK. The last few years she was alive (my mom's dad's family were Western PA/Pittsburgh German ancestry natives) she and my mom's uncle Gerry became very very good friends. That was HUGE for her - because she had such a blind fear of white males for the majority of her life.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)find 'cracker' offensive. But I guess by that close jury they do.
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JustAnotherGen
(32,047 posts)We are asked to overlook that all the time - the African American members at DU. You can't hide on intent - only on TOS and Community Standards and Direct/Personal Attacks. Those are generally the big 'three' reasons to hide.
JustAnotherGen
(32,047 posts)Thinking there may be some older du'ers who really have ALWAYS had good hearts that would never drop an n-bomb that might be thinking . . . uh - this isn't right.
And the reality is - they probably agree with every single word the Master's wrote. I know I do!
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)with the n word in any way. The n word is off the charts on the richter scale, the other - not even close.
I guess the whole whiny 'white people too!1' thing gets on my nerves.
JustAnotherGen
(32,047 posts)It gets on my nerves. We're discussing it in the AA Group the past few days.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I would think being progressive and liberal we would be able to find a more intelligent word to use. This thread is a waste now when it could have been a meaningful discussion.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)a bit ridiculous that someone finds the word offensive. I haven't heard anyone use this word for at least 10 years. Maybe the word should not have been used. But to me, in the light of the fact that black people are more likely to be harassed or killed by the police - a word is hardly something to get upset about. There are a lot of angry people out there, and they have good reason to be. The fact is, is that maybe the poster used the word to get people's attention. Plenty of people use foul language to get attention for their posts.
I am one white (cracker ) woman that finds the hysteria over this a bit weird.
Kablooie
(18,648 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)LeftinOH
(5,359 posts)use when referring to subconsciously-racist caucasians who insist they aren't racist. Kind of like the crackers who keep referring to the current President as a "racist".
marble falls
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morningfog
(18,115 posts)As can be seen by the repeatedly banned racist cracker in this thread.
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)The GOP did not win the election the Democrats lost it.
And you are right, the racism is right out in the open now.
rock
(13,218 posts)other than getting out the vote at next election and getting in some leaders who will change things (Democrats)!
brindis_desala
(907 posts)That kind of thinking only broadens the divide. Sure there are some policeman too fearful or pissed off to change, but change is difficult, and white supremacy has been the norm for way too long to die overnight. The change will come when their kids wake up to the fact that the most dangerous criminals wear suits and ties.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)You don't start a sentence with "and" for example number one. For this you get a C- I would delete thread and try again.
It's fine to start a sentence with a conjunction. Is that really your complaint?
http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/can-i-start-a-sentence-with-a-conjunction
snooper2
(30,151 posts)We can have a side conversation about hickory coffee tables if you like though. This thread needs something to make it worthwile.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)to represent white people. Well, this DUer won't ever see your posts again and DU will also never get another dime from this cracker. Fuck this racist terminology.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1931664#1934630
Rex
(65,616 posts)Since there is no way to keep trolls off of either one, we need moderators again that will do what the jury won't do and the hosts cannot do. And this is coming from a person that was done with moderators on DU2.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)in this country..GET THE HELL OUT AND VOTE IN STATE AND LOCAL ELECTIONS!!
People who HIRE police and who supervise them are elected or appointed at the STATE and LOCAL levels. The courts are mostly controlled at the state and local levels. Your COUNTY and other smaller state entities elect officials who shape your local policies and political actions. ACCOUNTABILITY begins in your neighborhoods and local jurisdictions.
i can't say this enough. Foolish Dems allow this situation to be ruled by the RW. No state or local office should ever go unopposed by either side.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It's not OK to use epithets against any group based solely on the color of their skin.
What is your problem? How is this OK?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1931664#1934630
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)"The GOP and conservatives won election based on meme that government protects minorities at the expense of crackers."
This is the key phrase. Offensive.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Not this one or any other. Even supposedly mild ones should not be used. I will vote to hide any post that contains them, any time I am called to be on a DU jury, and I hope others will do the same.
There's no need for them, and much to recommend that they not be used. Period.
I urge you to self-delete this OP, since it was not hidden by a jury. Please do that to show respect for others.
OP should self delete.
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Shameful
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)I've joined you in asking the OP to self-delete out of respect.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...you would also have to approve of words like kike, spic, heeb, wop, coon, frog, chink, gook, etc.
If you don't feel all warm and fuzzy about the words I just mentioned, you shouldn't be giving the big thumbs up to 'cracker.'
I'm not going to get all weepy if someone calls me a cracker but I guarantee you, it IS a racist slur.
Fyi, I voted to hide.
TYY
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and they were most common during periods of greatest oppression.
White people are not oppressed.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Is the word cracker associated with oppression?
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)is stupid and unnecessary. And divisive. But hey, you've appointed yourself to decide for everyone,
so please press on.
Jury of one.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I can't think of a situation where I'd use that word in a post, but my God the reaction is ridiculous. No one is being hurt here. This word does not have the history that slurs associated with oppression have. But I see so many people freaking out over how horrible it is. It just isn't anywhere near as big a deal.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Pretzel logic of the worst kind.
Rex
(65,616 posts)and THEN you will stop using the word? That is some pretzel logic if I ever heard it.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)African Americans aren't bothered by n**** because of the word. It's the history of slavery, lynchings, jim crow, and everything else associated with it. There is nothing like that associated with the word "cracker" that explains why it's creating such offense.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Like I said, your reasoning is strange imo.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)The word has no context to create such a reaction.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Your choice.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I can't imagine ever creating a post with the word "cracker" in it. I don't think I've ever used that word except to discuss it, or in the food-related sense. But I think it's ridiculous to suggest it's really that offensive, and to carry on about it, and to equate it to slurs that are part of the history of racism, xenophobia, anti-semitism, and slavery in this country, like the slurs I've seen it compared to are.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Honestly, you just don't get it, do you?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)You don't get how racism actually works, do you? White people have the overwhelming majority of power in this country. There is no ability for anyone else to oppress white people as a group.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)despite your apparent claims to the contrary.
In any case, why would you want a divisive word to be deemed appropriate on a progressive website? Why is that OK with you?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I'm disturbed by the huge show of faux outrage. I think it's an intentional attempt to be dismissive of actual racism.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)If your neighbor's dog died, you'd kill your own in solidarity. Weak. Very weak.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)If my neighbor's dog died .. . ? What??
randome
(34,845 posts)You may be technically correct that 'crackers' does not carry the same connotation as the 'n'-word but it is still a divisive term. I don't see the harm in admitting that much but you seem dedicated to 'proving' everyone else wrong.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
gollygee
(22,336 posts)who responded to me.
I can't understand seeing African Americans killed unjustly week after week, with no justice, and having that be so high up in the news and at DU lately, and while DU is going through that, getting so outraged over the word "cracker." No one in my family has gotten killed because they were white, so I can't get too upset about words used against white people. It seems obscene to get this upset over something so little when people are actually dying because of their skin color. Why not think, "There's a lot of anger and frustration right now" and move on?
marble falls
(57,556 posts)marble falls
(57,556 posts)Renew Deal
(81,900 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Fail.
We get it. You're a reverse racist. You think you can prove your bona-fides by using a racist term directed at whites. You still failed.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...I would have looked the other way. It was the excessive usage that convinced me of the OP's questionable intent. I voted to hide; not that it did me any good.
TYY
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)is a racist term. Do we fight racism by pointing out that we are racists who say "Police Too Infiltrated by Crackers?" I'm sure that simply calling names will indeed solve the problem. Not. Electing people on the local level who will change the disastrous polices of ALEX and those put forward by corporate shills will begin to change the police departments in America. The change will not come at all unless citizens continue to protest in the streets. The corporate owners of America are willing to wait out the protestors. The police are willing to harm them.
Perhaps someone will check to see how many police personnel are ex-military. A large percentage of military training time is spent taking the humanity out of a recruit so that person will be able to kill another human being.
On the streets of America, we now have a situation which gives a free pass to police who shoot first regardless of the situation. These people are trained killers. Trained by the military and the local government.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)librechik
(30,678 posts)this is a generational problem which will require too much education for anyone to pay for. We have to change them ourselves, apparently through social media. But it will happen, in about 20 years.
Or not. I'm not hopeful for this stupid deranged country. Especially over the next few years with the repubs back in charge.
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ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)had to go to at least 150 before noon or they weren't serious.
C'mon everyone, the bad guy was canned and this is going nowhere-- let's get back to slamming Obama and Hillary like good little DUers.
Bonx
(2,082 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Which further implies that problems would be solved by removing them.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)This place amuses me sometimes.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many honkies.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many honkies.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many kikes.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many spics.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many heebs.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many wops.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many coons.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many frogs.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many chinks.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many gooks.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many wetbacks.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many squaws.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many micks.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many hymies.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many injuns.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many dagos.
Striking a blow against racism by pointing out the occupations in which there are too many coolies...
TYY
randome
(34,845 posts)Racism is the problem, not color. More black officers would help but, in the end, it's about more than that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The generally accepted DU etiquette is to avoid directing slurs at people.
If you think that your choice of language "raises awareness" or some such, you demonstrably know nothing about human nature.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)If you find this a novel argument then there are things you can learn too.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)marble falls
(57,556 posts)librechik
(30,678 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)and promptly disappeared. Lol.
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marble falls
(57,556 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)They are infiltrating our police forces and beating up people like white people do.
There, fixed it! Totally not racist now!
Takket
(21,715 posts)The OP is counterproductive, offensive, condescending, irrational and not at all in the spirit of community and equality that so called "Progressives" claim to promote.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
If you want to know if this OP helps or hurts heal the divide between races, ask yourself honestly, would Dr. King have written and posted something like this?