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sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:22 PM Nov 2014

UNFUCK AMERICA! Blackness is not a threat.

Gov Jay Nixon activates the MO National Guard to #Ferguson in the event of unrest



I am so distressed. Governor Jay Nixon activates the MO National Guard and issues A State of Emergency based on what he THINKS black people may do at the announcement of the Darren Wilson Ferguson Grand Jury decision. OMFG! Preconceived notions!!! How in the living hell can police not have preconceived notions about black people when a Gov activates the National Guard based on the same idea?

The Klan protest, law enforcement gives them an escort. Black people protest, the National Guard is activated. A State of Emergency is issued! Black people can’t walk while black, drive while black, seek help while black, shop while black and now protest while black because black people protesting is a threat & dangerous for white society.

UNFUCK AMERICA! Blackness is not a threat.

Governor Nixon is not slick. He’s using the State of Emergency to violate citizens a right to protest because in a State of Emergency citizens can lose their individual rights. We see you, Governor Nixon!

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UNFUCK AMERICA! Blackness is not a threat. (Original Post) sheshe2 Nov 2014 OP
k&r... spanone Nov 2014 #1
If ANYBODY... Has The Claim Of... "You Didn't Build That !!!"... It's Black Folk... WillyT Nov 2014 #2
I get the anger loyalsister Nov 2014 #3
Maybe so. I doubt Missouri's police are THAT corrupt....or so I'd hope, anyway. nt AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #9
I don't know exactly how corrupt loyalsister Nov 2014 #12
Really? sheshe2 Nov 2014 #17
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #54
Thanks Live and Learn! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #119
I had intended to refer to the possibility of the State Police turning a blind eye to the Klan. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #66
They aready have Joe. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #86
Yes, they are THAT corrupt! Stellar Nov 2014 #144
25% of the police and guard are probably KKK. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #62
Probably? loyalsister Nov 2014 #67
More like 0% but 25 feels better. ileus Nov 2014 #133
This weekend mercuryblues Nov 2014 #132
+1000 JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #140
I need some butter AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #4
I am confused here. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #5
No it's not funny AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #10
Holy shit! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #13
I wonder what's the opinion of that poster about the Zimmerman trial? BeanMusical Nov 2014 #125
You asked? ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #159
Yea, I think the meaning of the word "justice" could be subjective. It just depends on which side nc4bo Nov 2014 #14
Man oh man..., BronxBoy Nov 2014 #16
WTF?? bvf Nov 2014 #19
They are consistent thoughts AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #21
It must be very nice to be able to afford that luxury. nc4bo Nov 2014 #22
And people wonder why so many people of color have left DU. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #51
Correcting basic factual misperceptions AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #96
You're one strike away from getting a vacation. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #105
At some point it will happen AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #107
You have no way of knowing if racism is involved or not in the decision. kwassa Nov 2014 #137
That makes no sense. Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #151
Interesting that you know that....... AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #108
It's in your profile. nt Quackers Nov 2014 #112
Thank you AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #114
Shhh Quackers Nov 2014 #109
Thank you. AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #111
LOL! Thank you for posting that ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #160
I saw that too.nt bravenak Nov 2014 #165
Next up ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #168
OMG! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #188
What is Russian Mexican? treestar Nov 2014 #207
He is Russian and he is Mexican AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #210
Then he's a white Mexican treestar Nov 2014 #211
No AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #212
Well... BronxBoy Nov 2014 #28
Unfortunately, it's not naivete... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #33
I know... BronxBoy Nov 2014 #42
Because white privilege needs a voice, I would suppose... MrScorpio Nov 2014 #30
Thamk you for posting that ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #46
+1 BeanMusical Nov 2014 #123
How will you know if the system DOESN'T work? tkmorris Nov 2014 #36
You're saying the system always works? arcane1 Nov 2014 #38
Obviously..... BronxBoy Nov 2014 #45
Circular logic may be logical and consistent cprise Nov 2014 #43
Oh goody! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #65
How can he believe racism doesn't exist JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #141
Yup, like a term of endearment, JAG~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #167
Does justice always prevail when there is no indictment? Or just this time? arcane1 Nov 2014 #26
I don't have a preference AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #98
I think you have no idea what the difference is between an indictment and a trial. graegoyle Nov 2014 #104
No....I know exactly what they both are. AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #106
Really? That Simple. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #122
Indictment by the GRAND JURY, means: graegoyle Dec 2014 #216
" If there is no indictment, it means the system worked and justice prevailed." rhett o rick Nov 2014 #52
What BS. Do you know how easy it generally is to get an indictment? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #56
You shoot and kill an unarmed man 20 feet away scarystuffyo Nov 2014 #84
Yes Sheshe2, some do. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #57
what about riots do you find so funny? dionysus Nov 2014 #6
Thank you dionysus... sheshe2 Nov 2014 #8
Thank you for noticing my posting habits. AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #115
Well you sure as hell are all over this thread~! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #120
Yeah... It Should Be Real Entertaining Watching The Killer Apes Going After Black Folk... WillyT Nov 2014 #7
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #68
Perhaps some steak... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #135
Is it still racist if there are actually riots? Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #11
Holy Shit. We are debating that racism is or is not alive and well in 2014!? sheshe2 Nov 2014 #15
Hear, hear... mimi85 Nov 2014 #23
hugs to you mimi! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #127
They will tell you that there is NO racism here at DU and none in the Democratic Party. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #44
No,LS ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #50
And they will be wrong every damn time. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #58
And they can go and do their own fricking homework LS! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #53
Racism exists AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #102
The grand jury does what the prosecutor tells it to. kwassa Nov 2014 #138
thanks kwassa JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #142
There is no such thing as non-white on white RACISM in America ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #161
That's simply not true. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #163
Perhaps you should . .. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #164
I have a degree in history and government. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #173
I offer you the following 21st Century (academic) definitions ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #195
I don't see anything there that can only be applied... NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #198
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #199
As I said earlier, we are just not going to agree on this. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #200
We can not agree because .. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #202
Modern perhaps, but widely accepted? NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #206
And thank you for returning the favor AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #178
Facts are often considered "Dumb" by the ignorant ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #196
More than ever before maced666 Nov 2014 #48
Who is denying anything.... AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #100
It does not necessrily exist here? Why? sheshe2 Nov 2014 #129
Crickets from you! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #208
Prime example of why I rarely come here any more... OneGrassRoot Nov 2014 #203
You just made me cry OneGrassRoot. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #205
The Ferguson Police Department look fully prepared to go-a-rioting MrScorpio Nov 2014 #35
They are locked and loaded... sheshe2 Nov 2014 #90
Does anyone doubt there will be riots? Should the police do nothing? Remember..... Logical Nov 2014 #18
Well, should police be allowed to use excessive force against black protesters? sheshe2 Nov 2014 #24
Of course not! But I am sure Black business owners would like the police to protect their..... Logical Nov 2014 #25
I want a logical solution. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #49
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #61
WOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #64
Well said! I've noticed this too n/t Spazito Nov 2014 #77
Yup, I guess there is a difference of whose rights have meaning. Yours obviously do not. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #80
I'm confused what your plan is...... Logical Nov 2014 #89
It is all about who they aim their protection for or at. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #91
What if the protestors quietly sit down JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #143
Of course not. Nt Logical Nov 2014 #150
So - not even that is acceptable to you? JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #152
WTF are you talking about, I said not to go after them. Reading hard? nt Logical Nov 2014 #155
WTF - Reading hard? n/t You weren't clear. WTF! You weren't clear! WTF!!!!!! JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #158
Not the same situation Egnever Nov 2014 #39
Apples and Oranges? sheshe2 Nov 2014 #92
How many gas stations did Bundy burn down? Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #40
Yeah... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #83
He's a thief and a tax cheat and needs to go to jail JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #156
Brava! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #169
Grazie Bambala! JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #172
How many did Ferguson protestors burn down? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #209
Yeah, I'm not bothered by the Gov's actions today. I'm just worried. arcane1 Nov 2014 #27
I agree, the KKK shit worries me. It is sad I don't 100% trust some of the cops that they.... Logical Nov 2014 #29
Exactly. Here, the police are usually protecting the protesters. That's what I'd love to see in MO arcane1 Nov 2014 #32
I bet they dont show. Theyve been exposed and will fade away. All 12 of 'em 7962 Nov 2014 #34
Considering how these things usually go, there were never going to be more than 3 of them anyway arcane1 Nov 2014 #37
The very fact that you assume that there will be riots is in itself very racist! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #47
There were no riots when Zimmerman was acquitted. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #87
Prepared for what exactly? In case the negras erupt? Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #145
The KKK has promised to be there and to use "lethal force". (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #146
You honestly think that the police are there to stop the KKK? Laughable! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #147
So should they simply ignore that threat? Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #148
Are you really this naive? The police in Ferguson don't give a damn about black folks Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #149
This message was self-deleted by its author Logical Nov 2014 #88
There is a better way, not instant but would require an honest effort on the part of the local PD nc4bo Nov 2014 #59
Really? The Klan have promised to be there and to use "lethal force", Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #20
Really? sheshe2 Nov 2014 #31
Do you think black business owners want the National Guard to be there? (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #55
I suspect the business owners, Black or otherwise, ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #74
Except that the Klan might riot in that case. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #81
Do you really believe the Ferguson PD, MO State Police and the National Guard ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #69
Who else has promised "lethal force"? Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #72
Then, wouldn't the prudent course be ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #76
If I was a black business owner whose store was being destroyed by the Klan Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #79
The PD in Ferguson has already shown how to use lethal force when they took down Michael. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #97
The police in Ferguson already used lethal force... sheshe2 Nov 2014 #170
Why yes mercuryblues Nov 2014 #134
Between the KKK threats, the State of Emergency Declaration, KMOD Nov 2014 #41
Do you have any doubt in your mind Egnever Nov 2014 #60
The OP is absolutely not calling for riots. KMOD Nov 2014 #75
There were no riots when Zimmerman was acquitted. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #82
What the hell! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #128
Exactly KMOD! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #171
A few of the replies in this thread have broken me for the evening... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #63
I know what you mean SceamingMeemie. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #174
Call me crazy... ReRe Nov 2014 #70
According to some in this thread, an enraged KKK is nothing to worry about, Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #73
I don't know what you are talking about... ReRe Nov 2014 #78
Pointing out that some here are downplaying the KKK threat that you allude to. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #85
Exactly thank you for posting this azurnoir Nov 2014 #71
A Couple of Tweets, she.. Cha Nov 2014 #93
I do remember the ATF being called in during the Waco siege (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #94
"White people with guns are not nearly as scary to the establishment as black people with voices." Number23 Nov 2014 #95
"Hell Yes" is AbsoF******Lutely, 23! All the times we've seen the US Police makes nice with White Cha Nov 2014 #99
Religious nutjobs AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #103
Nah, it doesn't disprove my post. Cha Nov 2014 #110
Yeah AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #113
No, it doesn't at all. Cha Nov 2014 #117
Agree to disagree AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #118
You are correct JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #177
You went back 21 years... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #136
Good point JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #157
But his great great great grandad was 1/3 Indian so he KNOWS racism, man Number23 Nov 2014 #180
Total desperation. Comparing a compound of religious extremists Rex Nov 2014 #189
"White people with guns are not nearly as scary to the establishment as black people with voices" sheshe2 Nov 2014 #116
People need to pissed off sometimes, sheshe. And it is very telling that one way to make Number23 Nov 2014 #181
I have noticed that as well...such quiet. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #182
Here is this too~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #192
Rest in Peace Michael. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #101
Exposed! "2 Florida Police Officers Fired For Being Ku Klux Klan Members [Photos]" At least we have Cha Nov 2014 #121
Yes! Thank you! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #124
Posters on TOD were taking an educated guess that Chief Jackson is. :( Cha Nov 2014 #126
I sure will put my money on a few more! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #130
Yes, I thought you were long gone, she.. Cha Nov 2014 #131
sheshe JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #139
+ 10000000 bettyellen Nov 2014 #153
I pray for a sit in JAG. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #183
I love this thread JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #154
I seem to remember riots in Ferguson a few months ago. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #162
I saw cops teargassing children. bravenak Nov 2014 #166
The Governor failed to mention any black people that he would be protecting. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #175
I don't think he mentioned race at all. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #176
Let them have their racial based fantasies AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #179
And you~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #184
I am not the one AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #185
Michael was shot down in cold blood. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #186
Interesting that you call AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #187
A tale of two suspects - two cities - two states JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #194
you're right, but white america does not agree with you. redruddyred Nov 2014 #190
White grocery shoppers = "white america"? SMC22307 Nov 2014 #213
oh yeah people who eat food are a totally unrepresentative portion of the populace. redruddyred Nov 2014 #215
Looking at some of the replies, it is as if racism doesn't exist in their world. Rex Nov 2014 #191
I would say that you summed that up nicely, Rex. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #204
You are preaching to the choir my friend davidpdx Nov 2014 #193
Take a deep seat and a tight hold. It could be a rough ride ahead. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #197
People are scared so I can see the reason helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #201
It's funny how Obama's biggest fans praise his cool, calm, collected style. SMC22307 Nov 2014 #214

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
12. I don't know exactly how corrupt
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:04 PM
Nov 2014

But the system is particularly vulnerable to it. A police officer can be fired or resign over bad behavior, then go to a neighboring district and start over with a clean record. In fact, it is entirely possible for a cop to jump precincts several times, leaving a trail of extreme violations in each, and wind up retiring with honors based on his final job performance.

Corruption of individual police officers is too easy for it not to happen. The system itself is clearly complicit. I have not learned of other problems, but they certainly may exist.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
17. Really?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:38 PM
Nov 2014

As Campbell Robertson and Joseph Goldstein of The Times reported last month, the municipal courts in places like Maplewood, Mo., are filled with blacks who are pulled over by officers and charged with offenses that increase in cost when a defendant misses a court date. According to a report by the state attorney general in 2013, black motorists in

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Maplewood were searched or arrested during stops at more than twice the rate of whites — even though searches of blacks and whites were similarly likely to turn up contraband.

A startling analysis released last month by ArchCity Defenders, a nonprofit group in St. Louis, offered up a harrowing portrait of these interlocking court systems, which appear to be structured to persecute minority communities. In one community, “100 percent of all searches and arrests originating from traffic stops in Bel-Ridge in 2013 were of black individuals,” the report said.

Lawyers at ArchCity Defenders said their clients who were unable to pay the fines were illegally jailed and lost their jobs and housing as a result of being locked up. These practices “destroy the public’s confidence in the justice system,” as the report notes, and they impose ruinous burdens on impoverished citizens and violate the Constitution.

A wealth of evidence suggests that justice is not being fairly administered in either Ferguson or greater St. Louis County. If the Justice Department confirms what others have reported, it needs to use all of its authority to restore fairness to the law enforcement process.


Read More


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/opinion/sunday/inquiry-into-ferguson-mo-police-practices-is-just-a-start.html?_r=0

Hey Joe! There is a lot more info out there if you care to do the research, cause, yes they are that corrupt!

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
66. I had intended to refer to the possibility of the State Police turning a blind eye to the Klan.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:06 AM
Nov 2014

My apologies, however; it appears I was not at all clear in my initial reply.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
144. Yes, they are THAT corrupt!
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:04 PM
Nov 2014

Can't you tell by all the changes that the police are going through to cover up Officer Darren Wilson part in all of this. The police only let out what they want the public to know, nothing more. That's how they know that officer will go free.

mercuryblues

(14,615 posts)
132. This weekend
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:40 AM
Nov 2014

Anonymous unhooded 2 members of the klan. 1 is an active duty police officer, hunnywell and the other is former deputy police chief David Borst. There is a picture of them and another unidentified kkk member at a rally to support Wilson. Why did the kkk come out so quick to support Wilson? One of their own, perhaps?

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
5. I am confused here.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:35 PM
Nov 2014

Do you think this is funny? You respond as if it's a sporting event. People are going to die here. Maybe I am misreading your intent. It's been a long sad week for me so correct me if I am wrong.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
10. No it's not funny
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:55 PM
Nov 2014

no it isn't a sporting event. If any comedy can be found here, it is tragic comedy. And the tragedy comes from having to watch this unfold. If there is no indictment, it means the system worked and justice prevailed. But to many of you, that is not what you will see. What you will see is some B.S. where you will blame racism for no indictment. And that is the tragedy, that our legal system is only a success if you get the outcome you want.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
13. Holy shit!
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:10 PM
Nov 2014

Your response after calling for more butter for your popcorn is below, so yes you are indeed amused!

If any comedy can be found here, it is tragic comedy. And the tragedy comes from having to watch this unfold. If there is no indictment, it means the system worked and justice prevailed. But to many of you, that is not what you will see. What you will see is some B.S. where you will blame racism for no indictment.


You stand with the "peace officer" that shot Michael down in cold blood. That just plain sucks!

And you say.


If there is no indictment, it means the system worked and justice prevailed.


So if there is an indictment justice fails. Okay got it. Wilson and his outrageous use of excessive force is okay with you. Dear gawd!

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
125. I wonder what's the opinion of that poster about the Zimmerman trial?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 03:03 AM
Nov 2014

The system worked in that case too I guess.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
14. Yea, I think the meaning of the word "justice" could be subjective. It just depends on which side
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:12 PM
Nov 2014

of the pony cart you happen to be on ~or~ perhaps "justice" only applies to those who kiss the asses and do the dirty work of the fucking 1%ers.



BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
16. Man oh man...,
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:37 PM
Nov 2014

You think that if there's no indictment the system worked? The the stupidest fucking shit I've heard today. And I've heard a lot

According to you there are no such things as wrongful convictions or malicious prosecutions. The law is the law right?

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
19. WTF??
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:47 PM
Nov 2014

"If there is no indictment, it means the system worked and justice prevailed."

"And that is the tragedy, that our legal system is only a success if you get the outcome you want."

How can you manage to hold both these thoughts in your brain at the same time? Amazing.



 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
21. They are consistent thoughts
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:54 PM
Nov 2014

I will be happy if there is an indictment because that means the system worked and they had enough evidence to indict.

CONVERSELY

I will be happy if there is NO indictment, because that also means the system worked and there was not enough evidence to indict.

What I will not do is be quiet while people throw racism charges around. if they don't get what they want.

Every racist thread that is posted will see me in it, logically, politely, but forcefully arguing that it isn't racism, and it is incredibly stupid to say it is.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
22. It must be very nice to be able to afford that luxury.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:58 PM
Nov 2014
Every racist thread that is posted will see me in it, logically, politely, but forcefully arguing that it isn't racism, and it is incredibly stupid to say it is.


Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
51. And people wonder why so many people of color have left DU.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:50 PM
Nov 2014

That poster is allowed to follow and harass people from thread to thread as long as they want to and there isn't a thing anyone can do about it except admins and they don't seem to care any more.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
96. Correcting basic factual misperceptions
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:36 AM
Nov 2014

is not harassing anyone, and I am a person of color. My dad is Russian-Mexican.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
137. You have no way of knowing if racism is involved or not in the decision.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 10:23 AM
Nov 2014

To say that there is no racism would fit in the category of an assumption on your part.

In other words, you are making up your own facts.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
109. Shhh
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:03 AM
Nov 2014

You were already declared down thread as the voice for white privilege. Don't let the fact that you're a POC ruin that!

To other posters: yes, I'm being facetious, but with good reason. I'm tired of the "us vs them" mentality. Just because this poster says they will be happy with the grand jury's decision either way they vote, it was already assumed by many that he is white and referred to as the voice for white privlidge.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
111. Thank you.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:04 AM
Nov 2014

People don't have to like my opinion, but don't assume you know what color I am because I am not committed to seeing racism where it looks like it doesn't exist.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
168. Next up ...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:53 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:37 PM - Edit history (1)

"I can totally relate because in jr. High my BFF dated a girl whose great grandmother was Bantu.

No. But I'll bet that's the first time those words escaped his lips/fingers.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
188. OMG!
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:55 AM
Nov 2014

I almost spewed wine on my screen, 1Strong. I knew a person that knew a person that knew a person of color. So I know without a doubt what it's all about and it sure ain't racist, cause ya know, I just know.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
207. What is Russian Mexican?
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 10:07 PM
Nov 2014

That could be lily white. And I bet you are going to tell us Zimmerman isn't white either.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
210. He is Russian and he is Mexican
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:08 PM
Nov 2014

I don't know if there is a simpler way to explain that.

And no Zimmerman is not white.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
212. No
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:55 PM
Nov 2014

He is Mexican, a person of color. A father(my grandfather) that is a Mestizo from Tlaxcala and a mother (my grandmother) that is Russian and Lebanese from Vera Cruz. My dad grew up in El Paso (as did I). He takes after his dad and would never be classified as white to the casual observer. Me on the other hand, I could be seen as white or hispanic, depends on if I am living in Hawaii at the time or not.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
28. Well...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:16 PM
Nov 2014

You obviously have a very, very naive view of the criminal justice system in this country not to mention that you are woefully ignorant of the long, long history of white juries absolving obviously guilty white men for lynchings or other injustices
Or conversely when White prosecutors and white juries have sent innocent black or browned to prison

You naïveté is only surpassed by your ignorance, willful or otherwise.

Like I said stupidest shit I've heard all day no matter how times you post it.

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
33. Unfortunately, it's not naivete...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:22 PM
Nov 2014

Some have been pretty consistent with their responses. I don't consider them allies.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
42. I know...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:40 PM
Nov 2014

But that poster thinks they can wrap their bullshit in flowery words and a false sense of "balance" and thinks no one will call them on it

But as many if us have pointed out, their Kung fu is weak

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
30. Because white privilege needs a voice, I would suppose...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:17 PM
Nov 2014

Calmly explaining to the rest of us that it doesn't even exist.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
46. Thamk you for posting that ...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:41 PM
Nov 2014

so I don't have to.

The system worked ... despite all the prosecutorial irregularities, in a town rife with racial irregularities; but it's not racism? Right!

I wish my life experience allowed me such confidence ... but that would mean I had that privilege.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
36. How will you know if the system DOESN'T work?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:26 PM
Nov 2014

You seem to have only considered scenarios in which the system works as it is intended, in a completely impartial fashion.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
43. Circular logic may be logical and consistent
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:40 PM
Nov 2014

but it isn't reasonable.

You sound like the criminal justice version of Randroids (i.e. the free market makes no mistakes because the fairest, most rational venue is the free market).

The American criminal justice system is badly twisted and demonstrably unfair to large numbers of people. The racial bias of sentencing harshness, for instance, is beyond dispute and should serve as a warning to people deluding themselves about "justice".

Spreading denial about racism in such a glib way just makes you look like an assh*le.

Have a nice day.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
65. Oh goody!
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:06 AM
Nov 2014
Every racist thread that is posted will see me in it, logically, politely, but forcefully arguing that it isn't racism, and it is incredibly stupid to say it is
.


So you believe racism does not exist? Are you fucking kidding me?

JustAnotherGen

(32,323 posts)
141. How can he believe racism doesn't exist
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 11:49 AM
Nov 2014

If he calls threads 'racist'?



Or was that a typo?


Quote: Every racist thread . . .


Hell - someone could call me a nigger tomorrow and he'd say - aaaaaawwwwwwwwwww shucks. That person LIKES black people.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
26. Does justice always prevail when there is no indictment? Or just this time?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:14 PM
Nov 2014

"our legal system is only a success if you get the outcome you want."

Isn't that exactly what you're saying for yourself?

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
98. I don't have a preference
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:39 AM
Nov 2014

If he is indicted, then obviously the state believes he committed the crime and it will go to trial. I am perfectly happy with that.

If he is not indicted then obviously the state believes he did not commit a crime and I will also be ok with that.

What is not ok is if he is not indicted, people run to ramparts and scream racism with no proof that racism indeed occurred. I expect that if there is no indictment there will be 15-20 threads talking about racist America is for the state conducting an investigation and finding no guilt.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
106. No....I know exactly what they both are.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:00 AM
Nov 2014

If the state BELIEVES a crime was committed they will move to indict, and go to trail

If not they won't...

It is simple

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
122. Really? That Simple.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:55 AM
Nov 2014

No bias at all...

Concerns arise about prosecutor in Michael Brown case

(CNN) -- While protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, are demanding justice for the killing of Michael Brown by police, questions are being asked about the man who at the moment is responsible for pursuing any prosecution and whether he can be impartial.

Some residents and community leaders contend St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch has deep ties to the police and has favored law enforcement in criminal cases.

Missouri State Sen. Jamilah Nasheed launched a petition that now has more than 26,000 signatures to remove McCulloch from the case and replace him with a special prosecutor to handle any criminal case arising from the August 9 shooting of Brown,
an African-American who was unarmed when killed by a white police officer.

The shooting has touched off demonstrations that have led to confrontations with police, and some looting and violence.

The National Guard was called in, President Barack Obama appealed for "understanding" and cooler heads, and Attorney General Eric Holder visited Ferguson on Wednesday to assess things. His agency has launched a civil rights probe.

No, it is not that simple!






graegoyle

(532 posts)
216. Indictment by the GRAND JURY, means:
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:43 AM
Dec 2014

We believe your charges have merit and support a full trial to determine guilt.

A TRIAL IS WHERE GUILT IS DETERMINED.

So, I was right; you do not know.

Even in your statement you state the DA "will move to indict". SUGGEST TO INDICT to go to full trial. The DA is not supposed to determine GUILT, but is SUPPOSED to present the best case on behalf of the state; the PEOPLE.

That did not happen here. The opposite occurred.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
52. " If there is no indictment, it means the system worked and justice prevailed."
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:54 PM
Nov 2014

Does that mean that if there is an indictment that the system didn't work?

If there is no indictment it doesn't mean the system works, it means the system in place failed to give an indictment. The Grand Jury system isn't a fair system. If the prosecutor sides with the police, which happens in most cases, then the outcome will favor the police. DU is where "politically liberal" posters discuss issues. Do you know what "politically liberal" means? Do you qualify?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
56. What BS. Do you know how easy it generally is to get an indictment?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:58 PM
Nov 2014

If it were anyone of us, given the same evidence, we would have been indicted in a day.

The system is corrupt and the police are out of control.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
115. Thank you for noticing my posting habits.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:08 AM
Nov 2014

I am not sure if I should feel flattered or frightened. I have no idea what your posting habits are, nor do I care.

Response to AnalystInParadise (Reply #4)

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
15. Holy Shit. We are debating that racism is or is not alive and well in 2014!?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:19 PM
Nov 2014

So many deniers.

You asked!

Is it still racist if there are actually riots?


Do I really have to answer that question for you? You are tone deaf.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
23. Hear, hear...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:04 PM
Nov 2014

some people listen, but don't really hear (or vice versa). Low comprehension level, I guess. DU has been kind of a downer lately. Too depressing. Take care, she she.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
44. They will tell you that there is NO racism here at DU and none in the Democratic Party.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:41 PM
Nov 2014

Really. These same people will arrogantly demand that YOU go and find evidence of racism and PROVE to them that it exists!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
50. No,LS ...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:47 PM
Nov 2014

they will tell you there is no "REAL" racism here on DO or in the Democratic Party. (I read that the other day.)

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
58. And they will be wrong every damn time.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:00 AM
Nov 2014

Gawd, I want to say I don't hate anyone, yet I do not suffer fools gladly. and there are so many fools out there.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
53. And they can go and do their own fricking homework LS!
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:54 PM
Nov 2014

I am so sick and tired of stupidity, they want answers they are out there if they chose to educate themselves. Yet they won't. They don't give a shit.

God this place tires me.

Ferguson is a powder keg right now and it sure is being fueled by a whole lot of ugly racist stupidity.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
102. Racism exists
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:48 AM
Nov 2014

all across society. White on black racism, white on Hispanic racism white on Asian racism, Black on white racism, Asian on Black racism, the permutations are vast.

What does not necessarily exist is racism in St. Louis County if the Grand Jury does not indict in this one particular case.

I am more than willing to let justice be served and if the investigation indicts and goes to trial that is a good thing because it means the system found enough evidence to try to prove a crime was committed.

Conversely

If the system does not indict it means the system investigated and believed that no crime took place, or that the facts leave enough reasonable doubt that a crime occurred.

Saying it is racism 10,000 times if there is no indictment does not make it racism, it makes you unwilling to accept that the investigation discovered no crime. This is so elementary and it is telling of people's motivations that I am receiving flack for being rational, consistent and logical.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
138. The grand jury does what the prosecutor tells it to.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 11:33 AM
Nov 2014

Justice prevails only if the prosecutor is just.

If the prosecutor has a strong pro-police prejudice, which many do as they work closely with police, than the prosecutor, and the jury, will be unlikely to return an indictment. The prosecutor will only present the facts that support his opinion to the grand jury; they will know of no others.

If the prosecutor has a racial prejudice, the result will be the same.

The racial makeup of the grand jury is important as well, because, like it or not, whites and blacks have very different experiences of interacting with police forces. That is, in fact, the essence of what this case is about; disparate enforcement of laws based on race.

JustAnotherGen

(32,323 posts)
142. thanks kwassa
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 11:51 AM
Nov 2014

I don't think many DUers have ever served on a grand jury or lead one.

It is the the Prosecutors show - at least that's the way it works in NY.


I'm also super concerned about the leaks. On a grand jury - you are supposed to STFU.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
161. There is no such thing as non-white on white RACISM in America ...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 04:54 PM
Nov 2014

there is non-white bigotry; but that is NOT the same as Racism.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
164. Perhaps you should . ..
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:23 PM
Nov 2014

Make that argument to the social scientists that study and write/report on the topic.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
173. I have a degree in history and government.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:17 PM
Nov 2014

There was a good bit of social science course work required for me to get my degree. Outside of this board, I have never once seen it argued that racism exists only among whites.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
195. I offer you the following 21st Century (academic) definitions ...
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 11:16 AM
Nov 2014

of "Racism":

Racism can be broadly defined as a phenomenon that maintains or exacerbates avoidable and unfair inequalities in power, resources, or opportunities across racial, ethnic, cultural, or religious groups in society. Racism can be expressed through beliefs (e.g., negative and inaccurate stereotypes), emotions (e.g., fear or hatred), or behaviors/practices (e.g., unfair treatment) (Berman & Paradies, 2010).


And,

Clark et al. (26) defined racism as “the beliefs, attitudes, institutional
arrangements, and acts that tend to denigrate individuals
or groups because of phenotypic characteristics or ethnic
group affiliation” (p. 805).

Clark R, Anderson NB, Clark VR, et al.: Racism as a stressor
for African Americans: A biopsychosocial model. American
Psychologist. 1999, 54:805–816.


Notice these definitions contain power component of (cultural/institutional) power that is absent from any definition of "bigotry".

Does that clarify things?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
198. I don't see anything there that can only be applied...
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 07:24 PM
Nov 2014

to one particular race. Whatever definition you may choose to apply, I don't accept that racism exists only among white people.

Apparently we are just not going to agree on this one, which is fine. Not all conversations have to end in agreement.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
199. Well ...
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 07:58 PM
Nov 2014
I don't accept that racism exists only among white people.


So you a choosing to ignore that the definitions clearly speak to cultural/institutional power ... something that PoC do not possess in America ... That should be a problem for an academic, just as the right choosing to ACCEPT the weight of the evidence indicating that climate change is real and man has a hand in it, should pose a problem ... but a least only a few flaunt their academic credentials when doing it.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
200. As I said earlier, we are just not going to agree on this.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 08:06 PM
Nov 2014

I'm sorry if you think I was flaunting my academic credentials. In no way do I consider myself an academic. It has been years since I worked in the education field, and I certainly don't miss it. I merely wanted to point out that in all of my course work I have never heard racism defined in the way that you have. I don't deny that other people have defined it in that way, but that's not the commonly accepted definition in my experience.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
206. Modern perhaps, but widely accepted?
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 09:06 PM
Nov 2014

I would question that.

We both have our minds made up. Fair enough. You take care.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
178. And thank you for returning the favor
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:41 PM
Nov 2014

and giving me the dumbest, yet funniest thing I have read in a long time. You have a potential career in either comedy or speculative fiction.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
196. Facts are often considered "Dumb" by the ignorant ...
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 11:21 AM
Nov 2014

willfully, or otherwise.

See any rightwing discussion on any scientific topic ... when they run out of arguments, they resort to "That's just dumb."

{Note: I am not inferring that you are rightwing; just ignorant (i.e., lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.}

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
100. Who is denying anything....
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:41 AM
Nov 2014

Racism exists.

Racism does not necessarily exist in this case if Wilson is not indicted.

Why can't you grasp that?

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
129. It does not necessrily exist here? Why?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 04:36 AM
Nov 2014

Please explain in detail why racism may exist elsewhere but not here.

OneGrassRoot

(23,003 posts)
203. Prime example of why I rarely come here any more...
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 08:43 PM
Nov 2014

let alone log in.

The fact that there are so many who deny that racism still exists, on a site such as DU, is almost incomprehensible to me.

I logged in to give you a hug and huge kudos for fighting the good fight, sheshe2.



sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
205. You just made me cry OneGrassRoot.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 08:49 PM
Nov 2014

Thank you and a huge back at you.

Miss you. Best to you and yours.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
35. The Ferguson Police Department look fully prepared to go-a-rioting
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:23 PM
Nov 2014

They've even brought some friends along, the National Guard.

If both are planning on conducting more violent riots against mostly peaceful, mostly black protesters, then sure... I'd call that racist.

Watch out for agent provocateurs.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
90. They are locked and loaded...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:53 AM
Nov 2014

and they are bringing along the KKK along as well MrScorpio. They sure as hell have a party planned and it will not be pretty. Racist, yes it will be. Question? Where were the tanks and teargas and the military armor when Cliven Bundy pointed guns at the feds hmmm...oh wait Cliven had committed a crime for years, oh my, he was white so it was okay.

Nope. No racism here, move along folks.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
18. Does anyone doubt there will be riots? Should the police do nothing? Remember.....
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:44 PM
Nov 2014

businesses will be hurt, people will lose money and income.

Should the police do nothing?

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
24. Well, should police be allowed to use excessive force against black protesters?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:07 PM
Nov 2014

They will discriminate, lol, unless you are white, they get a pass every damn time. Remember Cliven Bundy?

Is Cliven Bundy the New NRA Poster Child?

With Bunkerville crisis, NRA reaping what it has sowed through decades of insurrectionist propaganda

"There never was a government without force. What is the meaning of government? An institution to make people do their duty. A government leaving it to a man to do his duty, or not, as he pleases, would be a new species of government, or rather no government at all." - Second Amendment author James Madison, during the 1788 Virginia Ratifying Convention

A potentially bloody tragedy was averted on April 11th when federal agents withdrew from the Bunkerville, Nevada ranch of Cliven Bundy following a tense-standoff in a dispute over grazing rights. Despite having a court order that allowed them to impound cattle of Bundy's that were trespassing on federal land, Bureau of Land Management (BLM) officials were forced to retreat and return his livestock after a "1,000-strong coalition of armed men" gathered at the ranch and made it clear they were ready for a shooting war. A BLM statement said the retreat was required because of "serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public."






The armed gathering of pro-gun activists, anti-government groups and right-wing-politicians at Bundy's ranch did not happen in a political vacuum. It was the result of decades of propaganda from the National Rifle Association (NRA) and other gun lobby groups; propaganda that (perversely) informs Americans that they have an individual right under the Second Amendment to shoot elected officials, law enforcement officers, and military service members if they sense our government has become "tyrannical."

There is certainly nothing "tyrannical" in the behavior of the Bureau of Land Management. The agency was founded in 1946 and administers 245 million acres of public land in 12 Western states. They have shown remarkable patience and restraint in their dealings with Bundy, which date back two decades. In 1993, Bundy stopped paying federal grazing fees. Since that time, he has expanded the range of federal land on which he is trespassing. As BLM noted, "This is a matter of fairness and equity, and we remain disappointed that Cliven Bundy continues to not comply with the same laws that 16,000 public lands ranchers do every year. After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, Mr. Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horwitz/is-cliven-bundy-the-new-n_b_5197066.html

Why do white people get a pass and BLACK people do not? Try to be logical here. Businesses will be hurt? People will lose money and income? Holy shit, that is more important than the death count we will see when this breaks, the white people just declared war on black people and once again it will be excessive force. People should not die for the color of their skin.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
25. Of course not! But I am sure Black business owners would like the police to protect their.....
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:10 PM
Nov 2014

businesses also.

Would you really rather the police totally pull out of Ferguson and let the mobs do anything they want?

So you would choose NO POLICE anywhere in the city?

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
49. I want a logical solution.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:43 PM
Nov 2014

This is not. The force is excessive! The police now own military gear, you read that correct? Military! Ferguson is not a war zone. The people protesting in Ferguson are not the enemy! Michael was shot with excessive force, I believe he was murdered. I believe that it is being covered up. I believe there is a history of said corruption in Ferguson. Have you read about any of that? The money machine? Ferguson makes money off of black people. You know what I am talking about, correct?




Logical. I want some sanity. I hold peoples lives in the forefront, they are the ones I care about.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
64. WOW ...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:05 AM
Nov 2014

The same folks, 2 minutes ago, riling against the evils of capitalism, and the government's disregard for individual rights (e.g., 1st amendment) are, now, calling for L/E to gear up to squelch the individual right to protest on the chance that property rights must be protected.

When it comes to race/racial issues ... (presumably, white) "Liberals"/"Progressives" make for strange beings.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
80. Yup, I guess there is a difference of whose rights have meaning. Yours obviously do not.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:33 AM
Nov 2014

You are black after all.

I am appalled at some of the responses here, sadly not surprised. I am white and I get it, why do they not understand?

Yes, property rights over peoples lives. They are black after all. Black lives matter 1Stong and I fear a bloodbath ahead. I hope the President and the Department of Justice will step in and do there best to stop it.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
89. I'm confused what your plan is......
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:52 AM
Nov 2014

Should the police be ready for possible trouble? Or are you saying that it should be like any other normal day? If you were running the please department would you have more officers ready to respond or the same amount as any other normal day?

And are you saying that businesses in that town should not be protected?

Idiotic to me not to be prepared for the worst and expect the best.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
91. It is all about who they aim their protection for or at.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:05 AM
Nov 2014

You have seen the pictures have you not logical? The peaceful protests and the excessive use of force. The Ferguson PD is way out of control.

They said they only targeted criminals, that was a lie. They targeted peaceful protesters with teargas, the media as well, they also made arrests of the media. I have posts about that if you care to look, I am to damn tired to find it for you.

I have no confidence in their upcoming response, it will be deadly.

JustAnotherGen

(32,323 posts)
143. What if the protestors quietly sit down
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 11:56 AM
Nov 2014

On the sidewalks - and the police and their minions -

Go after them?

JustAnotherGen

(32,323 posts)
152. So - not even that is acceptable to you?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 03:22 PM
Nov 2014

You just said a lot with a quick one sentence response. Volumes.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
39. Not the same situation
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:33 PM
Nov 2014

One happened in the middle of the desert, the other will take place downtown.

One the armed idiots do no damage if left alone the other has potential for tons of damage to many businesses.

The anger is warranted to be sure but comparing those two situations is apples and oranges.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
92. Apples and Oranges?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:21 AM
Nov 2014

What? They did no damage? Cliven broke the law. Armed supports aimed guns at the feds, that is against the law, yet as white they were allowed to do this. Had they been black they would be dead or in jail.

One happened in the middle of the desert, the other will take place downtown.
One the armed idiots do no damage if left alone the other has potential for tons of damage to many businesses.



What? Because the white man did it in the desert and the black man in downtown makes a difference? OMG, you make me cry, cause you do not get the point, the difference, of how a white man and a black is treated. So many tears for our sad country that does not have a clue that racism exists.

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
83. Yeah...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:35 AM
Nov 2014

If the people of Ferguson just pulled out their guns and threatened law enforcement like the good folks at Bundy ranch, they wouldn't even need the national guard.

JustAnotherGen

(32,323 posts)
156. He's a thief and a tax cheat and needs to go to jail
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 03:29 PM
Nov 2014

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy was all over the national media this past week when federal Bureau of Land Management agents seized his cattle to settle the more than $1 million in unpaid fines he’d racked up since 1993. Armed militants flocked to Bundy’s side, prompting the bureau to back off for fear of human safety.

The fines are a result of Bundy grazing his 900 cattle on 600,000 acres of bureau-managed public lands since 1993 without a permit. He’s ignored his fees, fines, permits and multiple court orders.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2014/04/22/cliven-bundy-owes-american-taxpayers-for-his-cattle-grazing

He had yahoos and losers out there using women as 'shields' this past summer.

He's not some sweetie sweetheart - he's a cheap two bit dimestore thug and thief.

Like - what a lot of white folks thought Michael Brown was - and thus he 'had it coming'.

Maybe Cliven Bundy needs to get shot - I mean - he's a thief right? A MILLION fuckin' dollars of my money and yours he has STOLEN.

His face isn't clean and he's got a long history of law breaking. Stop using him as a shield - you need a better example than that criminal.

I want my money back from Cliven. I actually do a little thing called WORK - I don't sit around and cheat other people the way he does.
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
27. Yeah, I'm not bothered by the Gov's actions today. I'm just worried.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:15 PM
Nov 2014

Specifically, I'm worried about idiot klan-persons instigating trouble.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
29. I agree, the KKK shit worries me. It is sad I don't 100% trust some of the cops that they....
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:17 PM
Nov 2014

are not rooting for the KKK.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
32. Exactly. Here, the police are usually protecting the protesters. That's what I'd love to see in MO
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:20 PM
Nov 2014

But I don't expect that. Hell, one racist dipshit throws a rock at a cop and it's going to be a mess

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
34. I bet they dont show. Theyve been exposed and will fade away. All 12 of 'em
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:23 PM
Nov 2014

If theres even THAT many. Or they wont be able to find their way to town.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
37. Considering how these things usually go, there were never going to be more than 3 of them anyway
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:28 PM
Nov 2014

So there's that

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
47. The very fact that you assume that there will be riots is in itself very racist!
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:42 PM
Nov 2014

You ought to be ashamed for that assumption.

Again, there IS racism here at Democratic Underground.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
148. So should they simply ignore that threat?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:44 PM
Nov 2014

Would you like to explain to a black business owner why the KKK was able to burn down his store because law enforcement was not prepared?

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
149. Are you really this naive? The police in Ferguson don't give a damn about black folks
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:40 PM
Nov 2014

there! Or have you not seen it with your own two eyes? Do you really think they are going to stop the KKK from terrorizing black folk in Ferguson? Be honest with yourself if you can't be honest with me.

Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #47)

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
59. There is a better way, not instant but would require an honest effort on the part of the local PD
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:00 AM
Nov 2014

and all LEOs on a Statewide level to at least make a better appearance pretending to seek real justice when a wrong has been committed. Even better if there was a real effort to fix what is so obviously broken. And I'm not just referring to Darren Wilson murdering an unarmed human being.

But first, we must admit that this country has a serious race problem and it effects blacks, brown, yellow........ it is real, it exists and is a damn recurring, festering boil.

Too many people STILL can not admit that we have a problem.

...and I really do understand what you're saying but people are angry, feel wrong and oppressed and tossing tear gas canisters at little kids and old people isn't going to make the situation any better either.





Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
20. Really? The Klan have promised to be there and to use "lethal force",
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:48 PM
Nov 2014

and you're saying that the governor should not prepare for this? Just cross his fingers, hope for the best, and if a Klansman kills someone, that's just too bad?

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
31. Really?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:19 PM
Nov 2014

You think the excessive force is for the KKK? Nope it is for the Black Man Rising, they are not now or ever allowed to rise. Did you happen to watch any of Ferguson being tear gassed in their protests? Did you?

Did you happen to see media arrested and they themselves tear gassed? I posted today that the PD said they only gassed criminals. LOL what a fucking lie.

Oh the Klan will kill and so will the racist PD. Who is being protected here? Not black people, not by a long shot, oh wait Wilson already did that, yes up close and personal as well.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
74. I suspect the business owners, Black or otherwise, ...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:19 AM
Nov 2014

want the GJ to do justice, i.e., come back with an indictment ... the same as the would be, non-klan, protesters. That would avert any/most of the violence. Right?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
81. Except that the Klan might riot in that case.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:34 AM
Nov 2014

And possibly attack black-owned businesses. It's good to prepare for all eventualities.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
69. Do you really believe the Ferguson PD, MO State Police and the National Guard ...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:11 AM
Nov 2014

are gearing up to confront the klan? Really?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
72. Who else has promised "lethal force"?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:17 AM
Nov 2014

I hope that they are bluffing. The fears of unrest are probably overblown IMO (there were no riots after the Zimmerman not guilty verdict) but isn't it better to be prepared?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
76. Then, wouldn't the prudent course be ...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:22 AM
Nov 2014

to engage the community to point out the klan; rather than, make plans for overwhelming armed police presence?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
79. If I was a black business owner whose store was being destroyed by the Klan
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:32 AM
Nov 2014

my choice would probably be an armed presence by the police or National Guard to protect me.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
97. The PD in Ferguson has already shown how to use lethal force when they took down Michael.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:39 AM
Nov 2014

Then they left his body uncovered for 4 hours in the street, so much disrespect there, so much.

Then the riot gear, oh wait they had military grade gear. The show of force was beyond anything I have ever seen. Yes it was again a show of lethal force. they showed that they can and will use it.

I believe this is a tipping point for some justice. I only hope that lives will not be taken in this war on black people.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
170. The police in Ferguson already used lethal force...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:10 PM
Nov 2014

when Wilson shot and killed an unarmed Michael Brown. Then showing all that compassion for the young dead man, they left his body uncovered for 4 hours in the hot sun. Hmmm... very similar to the lynching's in the past, the bodies were left hanging as a warning. It was a power play.

mercuryblues

(14,615 posts)
134. Why yes
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:18 AM
Nov 2014

Don't you realize that. [/sarcasm]

Anonymous unhooded ex deputy chief of police, Borst and active duty cop, Honeywell as kkk members. Sure they are going there to 'confront' the klan.

I believe there are enough kkkops that will turn a blind eye to klan activities, while counter protesting with their guns. I believe there are enough kkkops that will cloud and kkkover up an investigation should this turn into a kkkluster fuckkk.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
41. Between the KKK threats, the State of Emergency Declaration,
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:38 PM
Nov 2014

before the Grand Jury decision is even released, the FBI's extreme warning, the racist billboard, and the bringing in the National Guard, if people can't see the racial undertones, they're blind.

It seems like a threat, that no protests, even peaceful ones, will be tolerated.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
60. Do you have any doubt in your mind
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:01 AM
Nov 2014

That if they dont come back with an indictment there will be riots?

Hell if they don't I will bet you there will be riots in multiple cities. Sheshe herself is practically calling for them to happen in this thread.

I would argue that if there isn't an indictment that riots are about the only recourse left. Pretending it will be peaceful with so much pent up anger on this is disingenuous at best.



disclaimer
No I don't want to see people riot. I would prefer a peaceful solution but I honestly don't see the anger about this going away peacefully.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
75. The OP is absolutely not calling for riots.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:21 AM
Nov 2014

The OP is upset, rightfully so, of the undertones that all hell will break loose. It's quite an overreaction, the undertones, not the OP, based on fear of black people.

Predictions of massive nationwide riots were predicted after the Zimmerman acquittal as well. They never came to fruition.

I cannot say there will be no riots, if the Grand Jury decides not to indict. People are very upset. But it will not be the mass chaos that is being predicted.

I fully expect to see protests though. If any good can come from this, regardless of the Grand Jury decision, is that I hope it opens peoples eyes to the discrimination that is still occurring today. There is a big distrust between black communities and police. There are reasons for that. And until those reasons are addressed, fully, this anger and distrust will continue to happen, as it should.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
82. There were no riots when Zimmerman was acquitted.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:35 AM
Nov 2014

It is, of course, always good to be prepared, however.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
128. What the hell!
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 03:31 AM
Nov 2014
That if they dont come back with an indictment there will be riots?

Hell if they don't I will bet you there will be riots in multiple citiesSheshe herself is practically calling for them to happen in this thread.


What did you just say?!! WTF?!!! I am advocating violence? I am practically calling for it? "sheshe herself is practically calling for them to happen in this thread." I think you should reread the Op. Not one sentence I said or 3chicspolitico that I quoted said that. I am completely dismayed at your outright attack on me. You owe me an apology.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
171. Exactly KMOD!
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:15 PM
Nov 2014

A show of force before the jury ruling is even announced. The people of Ferguson are indeed being threatened, and I am not talking about the white citizens.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
63. A few of the replies in this thread have broken me for the evening...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:03 AM
Nov 2014

I am distressed alongside you, and I wait with my breath held.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
70. Call me crazy...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:14 AM
Nov 2014

... but there might be an even bigger riot if the Grand Jury DOES return an indictment on Wilson. In that case, the majority of the residents of Ferguson will be marching in the streets in celebration. The Governor might be faced with an enraged KKK who turns violent on the celebrants in the streets. I have never known of a Grand Jury to take so much time in deliberations. Those films of Wilson strolling in and out of the station apparently unscathed were disgusting, knowing that Michael Brown was still laying in the street.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
73. According to some in this thread, an enraged KKK is nothing to worry about,
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:19 AM
Nov 2014

notwithstanding their promise to use "lethal force".

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
78. I don't know what you are talking about...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:28 AM
Nov 2014

... funny how two people can read the same thing and come up with different interpretations.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
85. Pointing out that some here are downplaying the KKK threat that you allude to.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:37 AM
Nov 2014

Sorry if my post confused you, but happy to clarify.

Cha

(299,300 posts)
93. A Couple of Tweets, she..
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:24 AM
Nov 2014
Matt Murphy @MattMurph24
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Remember when the Governor of Nevada called the National Guard in during the Bundy Ranch standoff? Neither do I.
11:28 AM - 17 Nov 2014 209 Retweets 93 favorites

Matt Becker @mwb1980
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.@MattMurph24 White people with guns are not nearly as scary to the establishment as black people with voices.
11:34 AM - 17 Nov 2014 48 Retweets 24 favorites

John Fugelsang ✔ @JohnFugelsang
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Despite a State of Emergency remember the #Ferguson cop is innocent until proven guilty. As opposed to, say, an unarmed guy he shot 6 times.
12:01 PM - 17 Nov 2014 673 Retweets 440 favorites

The Obama Diary

For Michael Brown and Ferguson, she~

Number23

(24,544 posts)
95. "White people with guns are not nearly as scary to the establishment as black people with voices."
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:35 AM
Nov 2014

Hell YES.

And sorry but when it comes to issues of race, racism and racial oppression, white people of all political stripes (even a shitload of leftier than thou "liberals&quot are all too quick to race to the establishment's side. We've seen it so many times it comes as no shock to anyone, not anymore. Not for a long damned time.

Cha

(299,300 posts)
99. "Hell Yes" is AbsoF******Lutely, 23! All the times we've seen the US Police makes nice with White
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:41 AM
Nov 2014

guys with guns.. and shoot an Unarmed Black person. We're not making this shite up.

JustAnotherGen

(32,323 posts)
177. You are correct
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:31 PM
Nov 2014

Did you ever hear about the Waco Horror? There's something about that longitude and latitude that brings out the crazy people.

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
136. You went back 21 years...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:57 AM
Nov 2014

To the outcome of a 51 day standoff, after 4 agents were killed. If anything, you've weakened your case.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
189. Total desperation. Comparing a compound of religious extremists
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 03:13 AM
Nov 2014

to a town of people. Says a lot about the poster imo.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
116. "White people with guns are not nearly as scary to the establishment as black people with voices"
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:10 AM
Nov 2014

Correct and that is so terribly sad. I do believe I pissed off a few peeps tonight with this OP. Good, I am in the mood to piss them off. I am tired and angry and hurt right now, I want to lash out. I take my dad to his resting place on Friday, it was delayed due to reasons beyond our control.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
181. People need to pissed off sometimes, sheshe. And it is very telling that one way to make
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 10:29 PM
Nov 2014

GD quieter than a church mouse is to post something about race. Actually, it's either quiet as hell or our assorted race trolls make their grand and ever so unwanted appearances in order to inform everyone that the racist things that everyone is seeing are in fact, NOT racist. Because they say so.

Peace to you and to your father. May he RIP and your family find peace as well.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
182. I have noticed that as well...such quiet.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 10:59 PM
Nov 2014

Calm before the storm, methinks.

Thank you for your kind wishes Number23. It has been a roller coaster ride for my family in the past two years, one worked out well after a long recovery. The others not so much. I know my dad is resting in peace now.

Best to you and yours as well~

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
192. Here is this too~
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 03:49 AM
Nov 2014

Must read.

In the days after 9/11, it was common to hear people say that it was the first time Americans had really experienced terrorism on their own soil. Those sentiments were historically wrong, and willfully put aside acts that were organized on a large scale, had a political goal, and were committed with the specific intention of being nightmarishly memorable. The death cult that was lynching furnished this country with such spectacles for a half century. (The tallies vary, but, by some estimates, there were thirty-three hundred lynchings in the decades between the end of Reconstruction and the civil-rights era.) We know intuitively, not abstractly, about terrorism’s theatrical intent. The sight of Michael Brown, sprawled on Canfield Drive for four hours in the August sun, dead at the hands of an officer who was unnamed for a week, recalled that memory. It had the effect of reminding that crowd of spontaneous mourners of their own refuted humanity. A single death can be understood as a collective threat. The media didn’t whip up these concerns among the black population; history did that.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025457550

I may repost this Number 23, as another reminder.

Cha

(299,300 posts)
121. Exposed! "2 Florida Police Officers Fired For Being Ku Klux Klan Members [Photos]" At least we have
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:53 AM
Nov 2014

this in Florida, she..

The southern states have been busying spreading the hateful message of the Ku Klux Klan and a couple of police officers in Florida have just been outed as members.

An international FBI probe specifically named Deputy Police Chief David Borst and Cpl. George Hunnewell as active Klansmen. When Police Chief Terry Isaacs found out about the news, he fired Hunnewell and Borst resigned with more than 20 years of service -

MOre
http://hiphopwired.com/2014/07/14/2-florida-police-officers-fired-ku-klux-klan-members-photos/


Michael Brown~



sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
124. Yes! Thank you!
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:59 AM
Nov 2014

Good work Cha!

Yes it is Florida....I want to know how many are in Ferguson next. Damn them all!

Cha

(299,300 posts)
126. Posters on TOD were taking an educated guess that Chief Jackson is. :(
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 03:03 AM
Nov 2014

Yeah, these two in Florida are just ones who are exposed.. So Far.

JustAnotherGen

(32,323 posts)
139. sheshe
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 11:45 AM
Nov 2014

This is why - I think 'sit ins' are the answer. I don't know a single soul in MO - wish I could influence them on this.

What's funny? heaven05 grew up in those times -and gave me a like and a nod of agreement on this.


They - them ones - those people - at Nixon's behest are going to do whatever they want. At this point - we EXPECT violence from the authorities. Either way - their intent is to harm and kill citizens.


We have more power when dogs are unleashed to rip the faces off of peaceful children. We have more power -

And eventually - we win.

We know sit ins work. And we know the IMAGE of brutality against peaceful black folks has worked before too.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
183. I pray for a sit in JAG.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:08 AM
Nov 2014

If they do, there will be hell to pay if the police use force. I read somewhere tonight that the "peace officers" will wear regular clothes in the beginning. I hope that is the case. My heart goes out to Ferguson.

May they all stay safe. I want to believe that, yet~

JustAnotherGen

(32,323 posts)
154. I love this thread
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 03:24 PM
Nov 2014

I love to know who I should cross the street when I see coming - this type of thread always shows me the 'true faces' of folks. Thanks for always shining the light in dark places.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
162. I seem to remember riots in Ferguson a few months ago.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 06:25 PM
Nov 2014

Before anyone says that those were "police riots", I haven't seen any reports of police officers setting the Quiktrip on fire.

Being prepared for violence is only prudent. How pissed would people be if the governor did nothing and there was widespread violence?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
166. I saw cops teargassing children.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:36 PM
Nov 2014

Quite a bit of force was used against the media also. I call teargassing peaceful protestors and shooting public officials with rubber bullets a riot.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
175. The Governor failed to mention any black people that he would be protecting.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:22 PM
Nov 2014

Yet he sure used 2 black cops as props behind him when he gave his speech.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
179. Let them have their racial based fantasies
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:43 PM
Nov 2014

It seems that can't or won't live in reality. I don't know which it is, but fortunately they are not representative of the public at large.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
185. I am not the one
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:25 AM
Nov 2014

claiming racism where none exists and claiming guilt before an investigation is complete. One of us lives in denial.....here's a hint, it's not me.

sheshe2

(84,513 posts)
186. Michael was shot down in cold blood.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:42 AM
Nov 2014

No attempt to arrest him, none. Wilson disappeared after the shooting. No report on the incident was forthcoming. The PD was covering it up. We have leaks from the damn Grand Jury!!!!!! We have a prosecutor with huge ties to the PD who was asked to recuse himself and you have the nerve to jump this thread and explain to everyone that if they decide not to indict, YOU say the system works despite the leaks and manipulation from the court. I feel so sorry for you that you are so easily manipulated. Or maybe you only wish to manipulate us.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
187. Interesting that you call
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:51 AM
Nov 2014

our criminal justice system manipulation.

Sorry I refuse to pre-judge anyone. I tend to believe in our system of law and order, and again, I take great comfort that people that would throw Wilson behind bars before an investigation is complete are in the extreme minority.

Good night sir or ma'am. I hope someday you find your objectivity.

JustAnotherGen

(32,323 posts)
194. A tale of two suspects - two cities - two states
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 06:17 AM
Nov 2014


The New Yorker
SEARCH
Our Local Correspondents OCTOBER 6, 2014 ISSUE

Before the Law
A boy was accused of taking a backpack. The courts took the next three years of his life.

BY JENNIFER GONNERMAN


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/law-3


Kalief Browder spent more than a thousand days confined on Rikers Island.
In the early hours of Saturday, May 15, 2010, ten days before his seventeenth birthday, Kalief Browder and a friend were returning home from a party in the Belmont section of the Bronx. They walked along Arthur Avenue, the main street of Little Italy, past bakeries and cafés with their metal shutters pulled down for the night. As they passed East 186th Street, Browder saw a police car driving toward them. More squad cars arrived, and soon Browder and his friend found themselves squinting in the glare of a police spotlight. An officer said that a man had just reported that they had robbed him. “I didn’t rob anybody,” Browder replied. “You can check my pockets.”

The officers searched him and his friend but found nothing. As Browder recalls, one of the officers walked back to his car, where the alleged victim was, and returned with a new story: the man said that they had robbed him not that night but two weeks earlier. The police handcuffed the teens and pressed them into the back of a squad car. “What am I being charged for?” Browder asked. “I didn’t do anything!” He remembers an officer telling them, “We’re just going to take you to the precinct. Most likely you can go home.” Browder whispered to his friend, “Are you sure you didn’t do anything?” His friend insisted that he hadn’t.



I wouldnt want Wilson to go through that. But - even prior to being a cop . . . I highly doubt he would have. Not in NYC, not in Ferguson, not in Sanford, not in Waco . . .

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
190. you're right, but white america does not agree with you.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 03:15 AM
Nov 2014

I overhear them chatting at the grocery stores and whatnot about minorities and their victim fetishes.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
191. Looking at some of the replies, it is as if racism doesn't exist in their world.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 03:26 AM
Nov 2014

They just can't see it no matter how obvious it is. Even when right in front of them.

SO...good old boy, cowpoke, libertarian Clive Bundy threatens state and local law enforcement with violence, has wacko preppers show up to help fight and possibly KILL law enforcement, is clearly breaking the law and flaunting it. Cops leave, governor doesn't call in NG. End of story.

SOMETHING might or might NOT happen in a kinda small town, yet that states governor declares a state of emergency, calls in the NG, the Klan shows up in hopes of killing some folks, local PDs get more military supplies so they can 'protect' the city and the towns residents are left thinking the whole world is fucking against them.

RACISM? FUCK YA AND IT IS STATEWIDE!

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
193. You are preaching to the choir my friend
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 04:31 AM
Nov 2014

We all want this. We all want a just verdict for Brown. We all want to see this end peacefully.

I hope we know something soon.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
214. It's funny how Obama's biggest fans praise his cool, calm, collected style.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 07:39 PM
Nov 2014

Whomever penned that hysterical blog post should learn from him.

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