Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:01 PM
sheshe2 (76,075 posts)
What Ferguson triggered
One of the things social media has highlighted lately is the fact that words/events can "trigger" the emotional reliving of trauma from a person's past. Without naming this phenomenon, Jelani Cobb suggested that Ferguson was a trigger for African Americans.
I suspect that this pretty much nails what it is that white people have a hard time understanding about the reaction of African Americans to the death of Michael Brown. We've allowed ourselves to be oblivious to the terror we never experienced and how events today trigger all that for those who did. Perhaps we can fire up our mirror neurons of empathy if we image that, for a moment on 9/11/01, we felt the terror that African Americans felt for decades of slavery and lynchings. Many of us feel that terror triggered when we see video of that awful day in September. And we've done some pretty dumb things as a result...everything from invading the wrong country to freaking out over the building of a mosque in New York City. Read More: http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2014/08/what-ferguson-triggered.html
|
34 replies, 3041 views
![]() |
Author | Time | Post |
![]() |
sheshe2 | Aug 2014 | OP |
NYC_SKP | Aug 2014 | #1 | |
gordianot | Aug 2014 | #2 | |
sheshe2 | Aug 2014 | #3 | |
NYC_SKP | Aug 2014 | #4 | |
sheshe2 | Aug 2014 | #5 | |
freshwest | Aug 2014 | #6 | |
VanGoghRocks | Aug 2014 | #7 | |
1StrongBlackMan | Aug 2014 | #15 | |
rickyhall | Aug 2014 | #16 | |
dixiegrrrrl | Aug 2014 | #8 | |
sheshe2 | Aug 2014 | #9 | |
JustAnotherGen | Aug 2014 | #10 | |
WillyT | Aug 2014 | #11 | |
Dont call me Shirley | Aug 2014 | #12 | |
Augiedog | Aug 2014 | #13 | |
ReRe | Aug 2014 | #17 | |
1StrongBlackMan | Aug 2014 | #14 | |
Man from Pickens | Aug 2014 | #18 | |
sheshe2 | Aug 2014 | #23 | |
Man from Pickens | Aug 2014 | #28 | |
ReRe | Aug 2014 | #19 | |
Cha | Aug 2014 | #20 | |
Calista241 | Aug 2014 | #21 | |
sheshe2 | Aug 2014 | #22 | |
Calista241 | Aug 2014 | #26 | |
nolabear | Aug 2014 | #25 | |
nolabear | Aug 2014 | #24 | |
onecaliberal | Aug 2014 | #27 | |
napkinz | Aug 2014 | #29 | |
sheshe2 | Aug 2014 | #31 | |
napkinz | Aug 2014 | #30 | |
sheshe2 | Aug 2014 | #33 | |
freshwest | Aug 2014 | #32 | |
sheshe2 | Aug 2014 | #34 |
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:05 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
1. Recommended. Sometimes I think that the rest of America is going to "get it"....
But then I thought the same thing in the 70's in high school and had friends in every part of town, from every demographic, income, race, etc.
And, to a person, I believe that we all believed that by the turn of the century this would all be behind us. I don't think I've ever been so mistaken about a thing in my entire life. To add, 911 isn't near as frightening to me as Ferguson. Ferguson hits way closer to home in layered ways. K/R |
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:14 PM
gordianot (14,888 posts)
2. 60 miles down the highway the Klan started to crawl out from under rocks just left the regalia alone
They did show up somewhat incognito in Ferguson and St. Louis at fundraising events for Officer Wilson.
|
Response to sheshe2 (Reply #3)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:23 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
4. Imma kick your kick, and throw in a thank you...
![]() ![]() |
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #4)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:46 PM
sheshe2 (76,075 posts)
5. Thank you SKP.
Your first post to me, I agree 911 was no where near as frightening as Ferguson and what it says about our whole ugly history.
|
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:51 PM
freshwest (53,661 posts)
6. Plus many millions.
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:51 PM
VanGoghRocks (621 posts)
7. I don't know about you, but this sure sounds like 'terrorism on American soil'
to me.
The Tulsa Race Riot was a large-scale, racially motivated conflict on May 31 and June 1, 1921, in which whites attacked the black community of Tulsa, Oklahoma. It resulted in the Greenwood District, also known as 'the Black Wall Street' and the wealthiest black community in the United States, being burned to the ground. During the 16 hours of the assault, more than 800 blacks were admitted to local white hospitals with injuries (the black hospital was burned down), and police arrested and detained more than 6,000 black Greenwood residents at three local facilities, in part for their protection. An estimated 10,000 blacks were left homeless, and 35 city blocks composed of 1,256 residences were destroyed by fire. The official count of the dead by the Oklahoma Department of Vital Statistics was 39, but other estimates of black fatalities have been up to about 300.
The events of the riot were long omitted from local and state histories. "The Tulsa race riot of 1921 was rarely mentioned in history books, classrooms or even in private. Blacks and whites alike grew into middle age unaware of what had taken place."[3] With the number of survivors declining, in 1996, the state legislature commissioned a report to establish the historical record of the events, and acknowledge the victims and damages to the black community. Released in 2001, the report included the commission's recommendations for some compensatory actions, most of which were not implemented by the state and city governments. The state has passed legislation to establish some scholarships for descendants of survivors, economic development of Greenwood, and a memorial park to the victims in Tulsa. The latter was dedicated in 2010. Of course, the victims in Tulsa were dark-skinned so they don't count. ![]() http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot |
Response to VanGoghRocks (Reply #7)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 07:51 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
15. I can list at least 15 more complete destruction of Black Towns ...
But you're correct ... none of that was terrorism.
|
Response to VanGoghRocks (Reply #7)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 08:01 PM
rickyhall (4,889 posts)
16. The Tulsa Riots was a pogrom and the were many more.
Like the Coushatta Massacre, Coushatta, Louisiana in 1874.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coushatta_massacre |
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:54 PM
dixiegrrrrl (59,952 posts)
8. At least 3 other black men were shot and killed by police that week
including one poor guy in Illinois gunned down in broad daylight. Video was on YouTube by the next day.
And I find myself wondering...with all the shootings this month alone, what was it about Ferguson that sparked such a long, publicized protest? World wide reaction, too. |
Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #8)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 07:16 PM
sheshe2 (76,075 posts)
9. Yes, all those were horrific as well.
In my opinion, part of the catalyst or trigger was leaving Michael's body in the street for hours, uncovered in the heat. No humanity or dignity was shown to that child in his murder by cop. His body was left as a warning just like the bodies of black men were left hanging in the tree. It was a warning to not mess with your White master.They did it then and they did it in Ferguson.
Secondly, the response of the police had all the makings of Shock and Awe, I believe this was unprecedented. Shock and awe (technically known as rapid dominance) is a military doctrine based on the use of overwhelming power, dominant battlefield awareness and maneuvers, and spectacular displays of force to paralyze the enemy's perception of the battlefield and destroy its will to fight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe This was filmed, tweeted and posted on face book for all the world to see. Who was the enemy here? Protesters of a gruesome murder of a black child. It was a trigger and it is an awakening. |
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 07:17 PM
JustAnotherGen (29,578 posts)
10. Excellent post!
![]() |
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 07:41 PM
Dont call me Shirley (10,998 posts)
12. Iyanla, who has a TV program on O (Oprah) channel interviewed the police chief of Ferguson
and Michael Brown's uncle. It was extremely telling and powerful.
|
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 07:41 PM
Augiedog (2,351 posts)
13. Trophy
Leaving Micheal Brown laying in the street for four hours, uncovered, was symbolic if not actual 'trophy-ism'. In cases of lynching it was not uncommon for (white) people to take portions of the victims boby as a trophy of the event. Picture postcards, an ante-Instagram/tube fixture recorded these lynchings so that attendees could show all their friends and family who could not attend. Victims were hung, unhung when they about to expire and then re-hung so as to extend the entertainment. People brought picnic lunches to the lynching and children were encouraged to go to. The 3500 lynching number contains the known lynchings, there may be hundreds more, if not thousands. There is a concept in law enforcement that acknowledges that possibility of suicide by cop, what may have occurred in Furguson might well be described as lynching by cop. Every single unlawful homicide by a cop of an African American should be considered a lynching.
|
Response to Augiedog (Reply #13)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 08:44 PM
ReRe (10,597 posts)
17. Hear! Hear! Hear! Hear!
x 1000000000000000000000000
|
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 07:47 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
14. posted to for later.
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 08:49 PM
Man from Pickens (1,713 posts)
18. I'm white...
and I have NO problem AT ALL in understanding the anger of the residents of Ferguson - I share it fully.
I almost can't believe that this is America when I am actually afraid of the police, all of them. I am totally law-abiding and that doesn't mitigate my fear one bit. A class of people, any of whom can murder me and get away with it - that has no place in a free country! |
Response to Man from Pickens (Reply #18)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:47 PM
sheshe2 (76,075 posts)
23. However, as a white man you would end up in jail.
Not shot down in the street as so many black men are. Nor would you be racially profiled nor stopped in the street for walking while white.
I am glad you share their anger, I do as well, yet there is a big difference here and it's black and white. |
Response to sheshe2 (Reply #23)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 10:58 PM
Man from Pickens (1,713 posts)
28. That's right
and even though I'm not targeted I still fear them - even being near them. You never know when one is going to take his weapon out and start firing wildly like he's Rambo, or whip recklessly by you at 120mph on the highway. I fear that even being noticed by one will get me a ticket or a fine or physical jeopardy. The attitude of the police to the people they are supposed to serve is completely unacceptable!
|
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:13 PM
ReRe (10,597 posts)
19. K&R
Thanks sheshe. I hope it triggered the true conscience of every adult American in this country. I know, that's way to much to ask, as it seems a little less than half of us even HAVE a conscience. I bet you it even woke up some of them.
|
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:17 PM
Cha (276,218 posts)
20. Thank you, she~
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:25 PM
Calista241 (5,324 posts)
21. Does anyone other than me lack the faith that anything substantial will happen?
At most i think you'll see a de-militarization of the police. There seems to be enough synergy around that, and Washington may get off their asses and pass something.
But other than that, i doubt it. One of the bad things about our 24 hour news cycle and twitter lifestyle. something else will crop up next week and capture everyone's attention. |
Response to Calista241 (Reply #21)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:39 PM
sheshe2 (76,075 posts)
22. A complete lack of faith means you give up.
I'm not willing to do that, Calista.
The President and AG have already gotten off their asses on this. Holder is on the ground as are the FBI. The U.S. Justice Department is thoroughly probing the shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown by a police officer. There are others in Washington that will indeed need to get off their collective asses, that would be Congress for one. My faith is with the people on this. |
Response to sheshe2 (Reply #22)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:58 PM
Calista241 (5,324 posts)
26. The original civil rights movement took YEARS to generate any progress.
And it took the personal attention of a President who just gave the middle finger to the majority of society and did what he thought was right. I don't think that any of our politicians today have the wherewithal or the courage to do something like that.
|
Response to Calista241 (Reply #21)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:57 PM
nolabear (39,588 posts)
25. No, I think we have our limits. It might get awfully uncomfortable first.
But I still think we can manage not to obliterate ourselves.
The fact I have to say that leaves me a little freaked out, though. |
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:56 PM
nolabear (39,588 posts)
24. And they left him there "on display."
I almost can't believe it was deliberate, in the way leaving a corpse in the trees was. But the fact that I can imagine and not be sure as I sit here, a somewhat older white woman in Liberal Land. But I knew at least one person I suspect was in one of those mobs of old, and what they did to Michael Brown's body sounds an awful damned lot like what they did then. Yes. A trigger for certain.
|
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 10:29 PM
onecaliberal (24,217 posts)
27. I am a white woman,
I can assure you I understand why the people in Ferguson are so enraged. In fact i share in their anger. This country is full racist.
The police state is targeting blacks. Leaving Michaels body on the road for 4 hours was a warning from the racist police We need to organize and vote. We need to ensure all our brothers and sisters get to the polls. We can not allow the hate that fill these people to proceed one step further in our society. |
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 01:25 PM
napkinz (17,194 posts)
29. K&R!
I suspect that this pretty much nails what it is that white people have a hard time understanding about the reaction of African Americans to the death of Michael Brown. We've allowed ourselves to be oblivious to the terror we never experienced and how events today trigger all that for those who did.
Perhaps we can fire up our mirror neurons of empathy if we image that, for a moment on 9/11/01, we felt the terror that African Americans felt for decades of slavery and lynchings yep! |
Response to napkinz (Reply #29)
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 08:16 PM
sheshe2 (76,075 posts)
31. She says it well napkinz.
Response to napkinz (Reply #30)
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 07:52 PM
sheshe2 (76,075 posts)
33. Yes, napkinz.
Many should indeed be embarrassed, yet they are not.
![]() |
Response to freshwest (Reply #32)
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 07:53 PM
sheshe2 (76,075 posts)