The real reason for democratic failure-Its tribal

[wilt the stilt]

If you notice every initiative that is on the ballot that is "democratic passes overwhelmingly".

But the reality is most white people do not want to identify with the party of n****ers,Jews,Mexicans, gays and Asians(except those hot asian women). I know the Asian part because white men will date asian women but white women won't date Asian men( the percentages are astounding).

So it comes down to tribal.

[AverageJoe90]

1. You gotta be fucking kidding us here. Seriously?

All I can say is, honestly, if things really were as horribly awful as you they say are.....well, guess what? We wouldn't even have a *white* Democratic President now(much less an African-American one!). Romney, or maybe someone worse, would have won in a landslide. The Teabaggers would have something like 70 or more in the Senate now, and not 53. I'd even go as far as to say that we might have become a full-blown police state a long time ago.....the last time a country became out and out dominated by outright hardcore racists, overt or not, there was eventually the implementation of a thoroughly planned genocide that may have killed as many as 18 million people whom that nation's ruling elite deemed "inferior". That nation was Germany under the Nazis, and that genocide was the Holocaust.

And before anyone jumps to radical conclusions here, this isn't a denial of any of the various problems we *have* had in this country. But let's get some perspective here, shall we?

[wilt the stilt]

2. Absolutely serious

for the people who vote. Look at the percentage of white vote the democrats get. It is pretty minuscule. It is in the neighborhood of 30%. How do you explain why every democratic initiative passes yet the people who represent those views lose and yet people who are 180 degree different in those views win. read the rude pundit today.

[AverageJoe90]

4. The Rude Pundit isn't exactly correct either, btw.

I stand by what I said 100 percent. I'll also say this.....we exaggerate the number of racists in this country at our own peril; that will be just one more thing the GOP will use against us the next time we go to the voting booth.

How do you explain why every democratic initiative passes yet the people who represent those views lose.....

The sad truth is, I'm afraid many of those further left than myself may be correct this time: we didn't run on our successes. We tried too hard to not sound the least bit radical. And, frankly, having a white male president really wouldn't have changed all that much in terms of the "mushy middle", not this year.

[wilt the stilt]

5. I didn't say it was racist

I said it is who we identify with. There is a percentage of people who do not identify with those groups and it will always be like that. My son is handsome and he has a hell of a time getting a date in Georgia. i had a hell of a time getting a date in Georgia and ended up marrying a girl from Chicago.

My daughter is a mix and she likes kind of Mexican. She doesn't get a second look down here. she went to NY and she immediately noticed she was being looked at.
I didn't say all but it is true that many white people just don't want to be associated with the democratic party because of the groups they are identified with.

[whathehell]

13. Oh, hell -- You live in Georgia?

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Not the best place for multi-cultural acceptance, I'd say, nor is it representative

of America as a whole. Please.

[JonLP24]

21. What is an accurate estimate?

I live in Arizona and it isn't an estimate, there are a lot of racists & bigoted people here and it isn't just limited to white folks who have these prejudices.

I didn't even factor the racially charged rhetoric that is common in Arizona when making that statement. One of the weakest state district Obama performed was East Mesa. Same place a convienent store owner that was Sikh was killed because bigots that he was a Muslim terrorist. The legislature is a good place to find this behavior.

I'm sure this study on the racism which seems to be documented throughout Phoenix's entire city history effected present attitudes today.

[whathehell]

18. Over forty percent of White Americans voted for Obama..

Not 30 percent, not even "in that neighborhood".

[wilt the stilt]

20. maybe for Obama

but this year

White men voted Republican by 64-34 percent, the widest GOP advantage in this group in data since 1984. Seniors – 22 percent of voters – backed Republicans for the House by 57-42 percent.
per abc news
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/11/a-fresh-blast-of-discontent-reshapes-the-political-order/

[whathehell]

22. Yeah, men seem to be the problem,

On the other hand, only 20% of millennials of all races bothered to vote at all.

I'm a white female boomer.

[hedgehog]

3. I'm going to turn your point around - I think too many in both parties assume that the Democratic

Party has a lock on the groups you named. The Republicans then figure they can win by energizing the whits who are afraid of those groups. The Democrats think they can win if they can win over a small number of whites by not scaring them. People may support a party's goals, but they won't come out and vote if the party is afraid to stand up for its goals at election time.

While we're at it - I think your "tribal" needs to take into account generational demographics. The Democratic Party has the support of younger whites, it just needs to demonstrate enough of a difference to motivate people to go out and vote.

[deaniac21]

6. Wow!

You sure know quite a bit about Asian dating stats!

[wilt the stilt]

7. Think I am wrong

http://www.lovelovechina.com/relations/chinese-men-white-women-white-men-chinese-women/

More interesting patterns can be discovered if we take a deeper look into statistics. One of such patterns – when it comes to Asians, and especially Chinese – is related to the gender disparity in interracial marriages. That is, the number of Chinese women marrying white men is 2 to 3 times higher than the reverse tendency (Chinese men marrying white women).

[whathehell]

10. You might be right on the stats regarding Asians and white women/men, but the cause is "racism"?

What makes you draw that conclusion?

For what it's worth, I'm a white person with no "special" access to Asians, and I've personally

met THREE White women who are married Chinese men.

[wilt the stilt]

11. I'm an asian guy

married to a white women. It doesn't mean anything.

[whathehell]

12. Whatever..You still don't answer the

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question of why you think those stats prove "racism" as the cause

for the statistical disparity.

Why, for instance, would white women be more "racist" than white men? ..If membership in the democratic party

is any indicator, while women are less so.

[kelliekat44]

16. Funny one of my white girl friends is married to an Asian. 12years now. Gay cousin partners with

Asian.

[LostOne4Ever]

8. Results of your Jury Service

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[okieinpain]

9. LOL, how much research did you have to do on the

asian deal. can I see your papers. LOL.

[lumberjack_jeff]

14. Tribal? Yes. News flash: we need a bigger tribe.

We don't have the luxury of purity tests.

on edit: in politics, tribal doesn't necessarily mean racial, and I agree with what was said upthread; blaming every failure on racism among the electorate is both lazy and self-destructive.

[moondust]

15. More or less.

"Older white voters flock to polls aiming to reinstate white power and privilege at all levels of government."

[whathehell]

17. Hmmm...I'm white and "older"

Will be 65 at the end of this month -- a boomer -- and definitely do NOT fit that bill.

Maybe you should look at the millennials of all races since only 20% of them even bothered to

get off their butts to vote.

[JonLP24]

19. You do touch on a key issue

In elections where old white men pour big money into old white men candidates voted in by old white men people wonder why other demographics have less desire to participate. Especially when it is all a big show with the same acts over and over.