This will probably do me in, but

[Old and In the Way]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Hassin Bin Sober (a host of the General Discussion forum).

let me say thanks to DU!

Back in 2001 when I signed on, you were really, really important to my political wellbeing. Times change.

Today, there is no Bush/Cheney...it's been replaced by a few women/conservative authoritarians who speak for all women at DU. I believe they are a bunch of pseudo-feminists. Some are trolls, for sure...others have been burned by men...but, this is an anonymous board and, if you believe everyone is what they say - I feel bad for you. You are being played. Posters who can say "fuck you" and say stupid shit win the argument while guys, like me, say ...bullshit, that's not the way we think about women" are pariah's - OK, good luck . Throw us off the deck...but, when we're gone, they coming after you! Cuz, you'll never meet the definition of perfect male acquiescence - you always will be the problem. They'll win when there is no one posting at DU anymore. Bank it, as Will Pitt would say...and Will and Trumad will be the last male DUer's to exit the site - how sad - They were ballsy at one time. Anyway, my thinking is about calling bullshit to bullshit arguments - that is descendant and the HoF (and these supposed "feminists&quot are in control. Watch and remember. careful what you say, DU...there are a dozen "feminists" that now control the conversation. Enjoy! I will miss posting under OAITW, but, who knows?, like many sockpuppets in HoF, I may yet resurrect myself. And for the record, seabeyond is a mother like I'm a sterile old woman. See ya!

36,701 posts...not a bad record!

[el_bryanto]

1. You think that "may" do you in?

Actually I like Seabeyond although we disagree on the issues often enough.

Bryant

[fishwax]

2. in the name of "calling bullshit to bullshit arguments"

I'm going to have to say that much of this OP is rather silly.

[ismnotwasm]

3. What a terrible thing to say about someone.

Apologize to Seabeyond. That is completely untrue and unnecessary.

[Old and In the Way]

68. OK, seabeyond is the most insightful, caring person on DU.

Feel better?

[Old and In the Way]

69. I apologize to HoF....deeply. nt

[lpbk2713]

76. Do you dine at Cracker Barrel quite often?

Nice 180 there.

[Old and In the Way]

132. Awesome! You totally destroyed me with that riposte!

Anything else of import you want to say or should I put you down with "I read DU this week and this is the best thing I could come up with"?

[Whisp]

4. oiy

[Blanket Statements]

5. The first message I got from another member

Shared some of your sentiments

[mercuryblues]

6. feel better about yourself now

[Old and In the Way]

71. Sure, no problemo....that's what DU is all about...say what you feel.

Try it...start a post about something you believe in and see how it goes.

[demwing]

32. Who told you the door belongs to you?

that's awfully presumptive of you.

[NuclearDem]

35. My door! MINE

[demwing]

42. I just think we can all agree

that none of want ass prints on ANY of our doors, regardless of to whom they (the doors or the asses) belong.

Hell I get touchy about finger prints...

[Old and In the Way]

74. Your door? ReallY? tell me how you really feel, instead of playing bullshit...'kay?

I can have a conversation with almost anymore here, but silly one liners, not so much. Tell me why I'm wrong and I'll tell you why you are wrong.

[liberal_at_heart]

8. Before this post gets hidden I would like to say you had me right up until you insulted a specific

poster. I agree with what you were saying, and I disagree with seabeyond so strongly that I have her on ignore, but to insult her in your OP like that is uncalled for.

[kcr]

31. Don't worry, a jury actually voted to leave that.

Shame on them.

[Old and In the Way]

67. Really, why's that?

Should this thread have been banned because I said what I feel? I'd be happy to have a dialogue with you, if you are so inclined.

[Matariki]

73. No. But because you called an individual member out. Very rudely.

That used to be unacceptable around here.

You've been here a long time - don't you think the changes might have anything to do with the DU3 rules? Or is it all just the wimmens making DU suck?

[kcr]

77. Really, you've been here long enough to have the number of posts you do

and can't guess? But then again, anyone who thinks this: "And for the record, seabeyond is a mother like I'm a sterile old woman. See ya!" is okay maybe really doesn't have a clue. But I doubt that. I think you knew full well what you were doing. But the posters at HOF is the problem. They're so awful.

[BainsBane]

134. You clearly don't want dialog

Since you express an incredible level of anger that some women disagree with you. It must be upsetting to feel so outmatched and unable to deal with debate without the level of vitriol you express in this OP. What is this about? Because you're upset some women about a video clip showing that some women in India don't want to be harassed, assaulted, and raped? The nerve of them, and the nerve of women and men here to care about those lives.

[Logical]

116. Because you disagree I assume! Nt

[kcr]

120. Uh huh! That's the only reason!

There's no other reason there could possibly be with that pristine post!

[Old and In the Way]

78. Sorry, that particular poster can say males are good lucking and guys "slut shame"

but we can't debate that person. Not that it's easy...unless you speak word salad. Seriously, seabeyond is a riddle, inside of a box, inside of an eginma. If you get that he/she makes perfect sense.

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. Yeeesh

Your ridiculous martyr complex is showing.

[Old and In the Way]

79. Really sad you feel that way.

Actually, I've always thought of you as one of the more insightful posters at DU.

[Number23]

10. "seabeyond is a mother like I'm a sterile old woman"

Wow.

Those HOF gals sure got to you, huh?

[JTFrog]

81. That's some seriously disturbing shit right there.

I can't believe anything can still shock me here, but there you have it.

[Old and In the Way]

82. Oh well...when you're part of the pack, you'll never get bit. nt

[CFLDem]

11. Don't let the excessive seabeyonding around here scare you off.

Just do what I do and look at it as an opportunity for some fun banter.

But I can commiserate with the grinding predictability of it all.

Good luck with your future endeavors!

[Old and In the Way]

83. My time is short...

your time is probably shorter.

[CFLDem]

86. Heck at this rate you're probably right.

[stevenleser]

12. IBTL and IBTTS/MIRT nt

[Old and In the Way]

88. Thanks Steve!

Appreciate the comment. Never got one before, but I want you to know - before I'm torched -that you are one of the DUer's that I always respected and had had something to say...thanks for going into the lion's den...few people here have your guts to do it live! Best!

[stevenleser]

101. Thanks. I'd prefer you self delete the OP and not be booted.

Any chance?

[Logical]

118. Then why alert before telling him to self delete? Nt

[Old and In the Way]

121. Nope - not a chance

as a wise man once told me "it is what it is" . But I appreciate your comment, with thanks.

[winter is coming]

13. Go home, you're drunk. n/t

[Old and In the Way]

89. Been drunker.

Been soberer, too.

[closeupready]

14. The problem is you.

[Old and In the Way]

91. That's it! We've figured it out!DU can now close.

Thanks for the awesome reply. I'll bet you keep 'em laughing on Youtube.

[Logical]

126. Thanks for the detailed analysis! nt

[PowerToThePeople]

15. ..

fail

[Old and In the Way]

92. Thanks...up

Cuz, it's always easy to make a one word comment instead of really engaging with my post. Brilliant!

[PowerToThePeople]

96. Your post got the response I felt it deserved.

[Old and In the Way]

123. Meh, I've been told worse by more informed people.

Don't lose sleep over it.

[Vashta Nerada]

16. Posting in the thread before the hide.

[Old and In the Way]

94. huh, apparently not....best to watch though.

I'm gonna respond to everyone on this thread, because they took the time to say something thoughtful! merry Christmas!

[Matariki]

17. Interestingly, I see this place as allowing a lot of pretty obvious sexism to stand

And a lot of folks who seem unable or unwilling to hear what women say about their experiences as women but want to 'mansplain' feminism and female experience to them instead.

Seems to be quite an opposite DU from the one you're on.

[Old and In the Way]

63. Gee, I have a daughter that's trying to make it in this world.

She's 26. Why do you think I'd be doing anything to impede her progress?

Of course I could be lying to you....but, then again, there are a lot of people that could be spreading bullshit. The problem you have , is figuring out, who, on an an anonymous posting board, is telling the truth. Good luck with that.

[davidn3600]

105. No one is stopping women here from saying anything they want to say

But chances are that when you become hypocritical, people are going to call you out on that.

Look at the fight on here the last couple days of feminists complaining that men stare at women. Yet these feminists completely ignore the fact that most women stare at men!

You telling me that when a heterosexual woman sees a very well-built and attractive man walk past her that she doesn't give another glance and have naughty thoughts? Give me a fucking break.

[Matariki]

115. You clearly do not understand

what women are talking about in those threads. If you actually listened, instead of knee-jerk name calling, you *might* understand.

Those threads have nothing to do with *looking* at people you think are attractive.

Is it really this difficult to understand what staring is? Staring is rude. I've had guys stare at me non-stop from a block away and then turn and stare some more after I passed. It sucks. It makes women very angry. It has nothing to do with looking at attractive people. It's hostile, or feels that way to me. And it is very often accompanied by cat calling, unwelcome comments, and outright hostility or threats if ignored. If you are unable to understand the difference between that and a glance or a friendly hello to someone (without any further exceptions from the person) then there is little hope for any discussion with you.

[quinnox]

18. no comment, except that

I do tend to take what people say on the internet with a huge grain of salt, I think you have a point in that part. Do some people lie about stuff regarding themselves on the internet? Oh hell yea.

[Old and In the Way]

97. Quinnox, if you get that you are a very smart person!

Merry Christmas!

[quinnox]

109. Thanks! Let's just say I was on the same wavelength as you regarding this recently

You kind of said what I was thinking regarding this particular issue. I will leave it at that!


And Merry Christmas to you too!

[chervilant]

19. What?!?

(Do you need a little cheese with your whine?)

" ...there are a dozen "feminists" that now control the conversation."

Really? You've made it a point to call out seabeyond; why stop there? Who are the other "feminists" on DU who are so powerful that they "control the conversation"? Why not name them all? And, while you're at it, please provide proof of this alleged "control."

[Vashta Nerada]

21. Want to see the control?

Did you look at GD today? What is the topic du jour about?

[hfojvt]

93. seemingly a topic that DUers care about

one way or the other

certainly no worse a topic than yesterday's topic du jour which reduced us to GD-Duck Dynasty.

[davidn3600]

34. I think he's upset over a certain type of feminists that are here

A certain number of them that dont like to answer valid questions or participate in valid debates but instead twist your words so it makes the argument all about themselves.

[Old and In the Way]

100. Here's a hanky for your outrage....let me flap it in your general direction.

Feel better? Hey, keep flogging that dolphin about female outrage...there are some DUer's here that still react.


Hey. I'm Joe McCarthy....I've got a list, but I can't prove it - Know what I mean?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

20. Best thing I can think

is that lotsa booze is involved.

[Old and In the Way]

28. Not really....but I am so really sick of where DU is going.

You can elect to dismiss me, but I'm not your enemy.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

36. I know youre not my enemy, but

you do not sound happy, and online stuff should
simply not make somebody as unhappy as you sound.
Peace, Old.

P.S. And by the way, I'm sure sea is not only a mother but a great mother. Please consider an apology.

[Old and In the Way]

48. I'm not happy - I've been here longer than 95% of the posters.

My point is, 20 people are tying this board in knots. You have no idea whether they are serious feminists or are people working for the RNC...but we need to have 20 posts a day telling us how rotten the male posters are here? Do you believe this horseshit? Seriously...5 years ago, was this an issue? Or, is a certain number of supposed feminists poisoning DU because, lets face it, Republicans are enacting legislation that is anti-woman? What do you need to tell you what this is all about? I understand the RNC gameplan...do you?

Here's a pro-tip...there's a 'feminist' that swears like a sailor that thinks her kid's buddies are good looking...and that's in a thread that was designed to tell males that you can't look at women and appreciate their beauty. Figure that one out.

[Skittles]

54. are you aware of the Ignore function?

use it

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

64. Agreed

I happen to have the poster he called out on ignore.

That said I've been on this board for about as long as Old and In the Way and hope he stays.

[Old and In the Way]

104. I use the "kick ass" function

it works very, very well.

[Skittles]

136. that certainly is not the way it came across

not at ALL

[A-Schwarzenegger]

62. Believe me, your problem here goes WAAAAAAAY beyond politics.

To your serious detriment, you have neglected the task of knowing yourself.

[Old and In the Way]

108. Oh well, I let my psychiatrist know your prognosis Dr. Schwazengger.

Thankfully, that didn't cost me anything.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

112. May this thread look different tomorrow through your hangover

than it does now through your drunk.

[Matariki]

70. You aren't affected by "women's issues" personally so you dismiss them as unimportant.

I see that as a problem.

I also see a small group of men stirring shit here all the time - posting stuff that is obvious flame bait. I don't see you calling them out.

[Old and In the Way]

111. Give me a fucking brake (as seabeyond would say)

Hey, I could give a shit what a few anonymous "feminists" say here. I'll let my IRL record speak for itself. But maybe you'd prefer that DU really speaks for the world you live in? PM me if you need further IRL information.

[zeemike]

65. No but the point is to make you one.

and that is what this is about...making us the enemy by putting us in categories that are forbiden...
It has gone on for years now...and really it has not worked as well as some wanted it to.

I say take a break, and don't let them get to you...they are a minority even though they attack in groups.

[LumosMaxima]

22. I am so tired of this.

This is just one more example of how women's issues are frequently trivialized and even actively opposed, even by men on the left. You need to do some serious soul-searching and figure out why women trying to end the abuses to which they are subjected every single day of their lives provokes you so much. I don't know if you're just completely clueless about what we deal with, or if you're too attached to your male privilege to care, but you have a problem. Maybe you'd find people who share your views of women in a more conservative-leaning forum.

[NuclearDem]

25. +1000000000000000

Exactly what I've been trying to say all day. Without the swearing.

[Habibi]

72. Thank you.

[Matariki]

80. this

It seems so obvious. It's so aggravating to see such obvious misogyny allowed and left in place. I blame the jury system in part. I felt like these issues were often addressed better when DU had moderators. On the bright side, reading these threads do hearten me to see there are plenty of progressive men that really get it - and are willing to speak up.

[freshwest]

119. I'm trying to figure out which word to add to my keyword filter. There's an explosion of this.

Ignore and Trash Thread is a good way to avoid aggravation. People disagree, why talk about people and not politics or issues, why trash other DUers?

Don't like the HoF?

Traxh the Group.

Don't like Seabeyond?

Put her on Ignore.

What's really being pushed in these threads?

As to the holiday, I'm not sure what group to visit to even see a person be happy about anything.

This is very weird stuff going on today.

[Old and In the Way]

23. Obviously, you folks need more of seabeyond and less of me!

No problemo. I will continue to watch how DU devolves from what it was 10 years ago. Let me say this...the stronger "HoF" gets, the weaker DU becomes. Some of you, not the posters that torch me on this thread - will understand this.

[pinboy3niner]

27. "ok i'm back"

[demwing]

38. No, he never said he was leaving

didn't you read the post?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

26. Beware HoF!

It's not just DU in trouble! Unless somebody does something soon it is going to take over the worrrrrlllllldddddd!

[Whisp]

45. Hof and Puff and Blow the World Down!

lol. this is too funny if it wasn't so sad.

[PowerToThePeople]

30. Here is some hof for you

[Vashta Nerada]

33. Ignore works great.

It'll keep you sane.

Those who are loud will be yelling at themselves if everyone ignores them.

[kcr]

44. I see way more complaining about HOF then I do HOF

So, goodbye!

[Matariki]

84. The stronger the History of Feminism gets, the weaker DU becomes. Really?

I wasn't even aware of that forum until today, but I'm going to join this amazing power elite pronto. It's like the Illuminati of DU.

[MattBaggins]

85. The stronger HOF gets...

the nerve of those uppity women...

sarcasm

[Kurovski]

29. I still remember welcoming you to DU.

I liked Your name--it made me laugh, and I said so.

we are aware of past HOF trolls and know they don't always vanish...but I'm hoping to still see you around.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

37. Well, you survived a jury...

what comes next, who knows:

At Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:37 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

This will probably do me in, but
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024221456

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

so many wrongs. Calling out and insulting a DUer and just being a pity seeker.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Dec 24, 2013, 12:03 AM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: There's some truth to what OAITW has posted, but it's too personal and callouts are (supposedly) a rule violation. I'd ask that HOF v. MRA be kept out of GD. And that GD become MUCH less Meta.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Leave it alone. I am sick of the man-hating that is permitted on DU nowadays. I have blocked a number of the must vocal cadre of aggressive anti-man feministists that post, but new ones continue to pop up...this post is spot on. Leave it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I'm going to go against the grain and vote to leave this post. I am doing that because when I see a long term member of DU so totally frustrated and angered by a group of posters who have a lot of others riled up too, something is REALLY FUCKING WRONG. Shame on you, Old and In The Way. I am as far from being on your side as anyone. You get no sympathy from me at all, and if you choose to leave, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Now to the group who angered him so (not Seabeyond, specifically), stop it. This post was not out of the blue. This post was provoked. So, shame on you, too. You're part of the reason we can't have nice things.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Vashta Nerada]

40. Juror #6...

[Old and In the Way]

58. OK, fair enough on your points. But, unless, you are a long timer with a new name, you don't have

as much time here as I do. But that's really inconsequential and I appreciate your honest words. My bigger point here is, in the past 3 years we have an increasing number of male vs. female threads. I've always been a strong supporter of women and I've always supported the concept that equal rights is a sexless idea. Where have I gone wrong?

If the other side (those that have a legislative history of hurting the rights of women)...then why are these pro-women supporters suddenly flooding this board with anti-men posts? Maybe because they aren't all women and maybe they want to drive a wedge on an influential liberal/progressive board? Think about it.

[Vashta Nerada]

66. I'm sure a lot of it is trolling.

I'm not sure you were responding to the right poster, though.

But look how divisive today's topic du jour has been. It's Christmastime, ffs. We're supposed to have peace on earth and all that. Instead, it's one side vs another, with insults and poo flinging. There needs to be a conversation going on, not one side flinging poo at another. Some understanding needs to happen, not accusatory posts. We should be better than that.

[CFLDem]

43. The system works!

My favorite part was when juror #6 called out our favorite HoFer by explicitly not calling them out.

Cool story brah!

[cui bono]

53. This is proof that too many DUers don't understand what it means to be on a jury.

The system is broken.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

56. I imagine the admins will be on this one.

Perhaps a time-out. Or the ol' heave-ho. Who knows.

[Logical]

122. For fucks sake, do you understand how juries work? nt

[Skittles]

39. LOL

this is supreme drama queen behavior

[bettyellen]

41. Hope it does! This is some paranoid drivel, to be kind about it. Sad for you.

[jimlup]

46. agree...

Yeah I generally just avoid such threads and move on these days. Sigh... If I add what I actually think ... well I'm sure you can fill in the rest.

[JaneyVee]

47. WTF does this even mean?

[K.O. Stradivarius]

49. Can we revive the Sasquatch sex and vaginal knitting threads?

At least those were more relevant, interesting, timely and dare I say... arousing.

For those that you describe, I pity what their social and love life must be like... even more so, the living hell the people they interact with in real life have to endure.

[quinnox]

52. Sasquatch...and sex... I do believe this is the first time I have ever seen those terms next to each

other in a sentence.

[K.O. Stradivarius]

59. Here'ya go... Boffed By Bigfoot

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4208610

I guess I was a bit premature wishing to revive a thread that is still current and active, but my sentiments
of it being more timely, interesting and relevant, rather than the current spate of feminist activism and foot stomping on DU remains the same.

[quinnox]

60. Oh damn, wow. I'm speechless!

Bigfoot sex fantasies are a new craze?

[K.O. Stradivarius]

75. But he would have an enormous schwanzstucker.

Keep in mind, this is erotica written by woman for woman.

I could maybe understand the attraction, but even if I didn't... who am I to condemn or criticize the sexual preferences, peculiarities or interests of others.

[NoOneMan]

129. Im more into Yeti on woman porn

And to the OP, exploding is just what they want. You are taking their bullshit seriously. Laugh it off. If you don't think they are real feminists and just trolls (I won't argue that), then its time to make a joke of it. Unless of course, you really don't care about the site being ruined

[Riftaxe]

50. I find the posters you refer to as quite amusing

Many of them think women are something special which is laughable in itself, sure individual women like men can be special. It is ridiculous to assume all women (or men for that matter) are. People who remove His from History care not a whit about the 'man' in dehumanization...yes they are indeed amusing.

[aikoaiko]

51. Dibs on your Avatar if you don't mind.

[hrmjustin]

55. Ignore and trash are your friend.

[BlueCaliDem]

57. I've noticed that there's a certain (and alarming) intolerance permeating DU

these days . . . actually, after the 2008 elections when DU splintered and the infestation began.

Libertarians disguising as Liberals (maybe because they actually believe they're the "true Liberals" when nothing can be further from the truth) and right-wing concern-trolls discovered DU and descended upon this place like buzzards on a gut-wagon, and they apparently believe that they and they alone can post anything they like with impunity.

Opinions that don't conform to their myopic view of things tend to be shouted down via angry, ad hominem posts and alerts, while on the other hand, they have zero problem excoriating you for said opinion,not seeing how hypocritical they are. They are not open to debate. They have a opinion and by golly, they're gonna ram it down your gullet or you get alerted!

It's sad, yes, OAITW, but I hope you don't leave on account of them. They are loud but few, and I won't be surprised that they have many sock-puppets to help vote down posts they don't like, which are usually positive posts about this Democratic president, the Democratic Party this site is supposed to support, and anything that supports a strong government - something Democrats are supposed to support, understanding that Gov't does have an important role to play in our society.

Oh, and I'm happy to read that they failed in hiding your post.

[progressoid]

61. A Merry Christmas to all.

And to all, a good night!

[d_b]

87. fuck those trolls, bud

if you leave, they win. the best way to fight back is to head down to the local super market and stare at some hot chick's ass.

[quinnox]

90. Oh man. Now you've done it...

[quinnox]

99. *Winces*

What a scary thought! Kind of like this -

[d_b]

102. or this

[quinnox]

107. Touché!

[d_b]

106. and this

[Skittles]

138. I had to search for that on youtube to see if it was real

[NoOneMan]

133. Fight the war on men by buying cryptozoological porn off Amazon

[MisterP]

98. don't forget the Frankfurters! eeee!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School_conspiracy_theory

[JI7]

103. that reads like some wingnut posts angry over Duck Dynasty being "persecuted"

[DonCoquixote]

110. If we had a REAL Terms of Service

This would have been hidden as an attack on someone personal..That last line should have gotten a suspension, if not a full blown Pizza. Bragging about being a sockpuppet? Of course, Juries do not alert on this stuff now, do they?

Look, Seabeyond and I have engaged on our chess matches in our day, but let me add myself to the chorus and say she has been one of the more civil, intelligent people here on DU. Asfar as your "conservative" argument, I can say she is NO conservative, and I mean that in the best way.

From what you seem to give off, you are one of the people that is mad that your privilege and power is questioned, if so, you are part of the problem, because unless we ALL question our palce in this messed up scheme of things, we are nothing but puppets.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

113. What the hell does "HoF" stand for? n/t

[rrneck]

127. History of Feminism

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1255

[ChisolmTrailDem]

130. Thank you. I wish people would stop assuming that everyone knows what their

acronyms stand for.

[No Vested Interest]

114. What is all this carrying on about - on Christmas Eve?!

I'm a relative newbie and have seen all this hullabaloo today.
Knock it off, please.
I can't spend my time and energy reading and speculating on such nonsense.

[ZombieHorde]

117. I like seabeyond.

She's punk rock. We don't always agree, but that doesn't matter. I don't think there is anyone on DU that I always agree with. That is one that that makes DU so much fun for me.

I hate sports, so I don't read or post in the sports section. If you don't like what is written in HoF, then just don't read it. Pretty simple in my mind.

Peace.

[closeupready]

140. Me, too. We have also disagreed about stuff, but she rocks.

I half want to start a Seabeyond Appreciation Thread, but I don't think they are allowed.

[BainsBane]

124. How sad for you that your are so easily threatened.

Because some women dare to disagree with you in public. How traumatic for you.

[seabeyond]

125. look, a meta thread. and callout/attack on me. and the host sit on it.

nah... nothing to see here folks.

fair and balanced.

[pnwmom]

128. The OP's acknowledged that he's been drinking, seabeyond.

What I don't understand are the juries that are letting him get away with this.

I hope you won't let this bother you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4221887

[NoOneMan]

131. Its a patriarchy conspiracy!

[closeupready]

139. Wow, you are really skating on thin ice here.

Or maybe you are trying to be divisive.

[Vashta Nerada]

141. It's not the only divisive post in this thread or forum.

A lot of divisiveness on Christmas fucking Eve.

[Logical]

135. Really, now the hosts are conspiring against you? Is that your claim? Nt

[Jesus Malverde]

137. I don't understand this weird thread. It seems unfair...