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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsN.S.A. Calls Violations of Privacy ‘Minuscule’
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
WASHINGTON The top National Security Agency official charged with making sure analysts comply with rules protecting the privacy of Americans pushed back on Friday against reports that the N.S.A. had frequently violated privacy rules, after the publication of a leaked internal audit showing that there had been 2,776 such incidents in a one-year period...John DeLong, the N.S.A. director of compliance, said that the number of mistakes by the agency was extremely low compared with its overall activities. The report showed about 100 errors by analysts in making queries of databases of already-collected communications data; by comparison, he said, the agency performs about 20 million such queries each month.
Mr. DeLong, speaking to reporters on a conference call, also argued that the overwhelming majority of the violations were unintentional human or technical errors and that the existence of the report showed that the agencys efforts to detect and correct violations of the rules were robust. He said the number of willful errors was minuscule, involving a couple over the past decade.
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Mr. DeLong emphasized that the majority of the 2,776 incidents 1,904 of them, according to the audit were in a category that did not involve Americans, but rather foreigners abroad whose cellphones were being wiretapped. When they traveled to the United States, where individual warrants are required, the system did not immediately stop recording the calls.
With such roamers, he said, the agency would try to detect the change as soon as we can, and then stop recording the calls and remove the information from its databases, such that analysts may never see information collected while that person was in the United States.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/17/us/nsa-calls-violations-of-privacy-minuscule.html
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)I guess I thought you were, at least, a little progressive.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)I rec'd it because Congress has been gagged and Wyden puts the onus on POTUS to resolve this.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)David Krout
(423 posts)Make up your mind. Is discussing facts important?
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Thanks for the laugh!
kentuck
(111,111 posts)...was that perhaps its "overall activities" were so large that indeed 2,776 "incidents" were indeed very small. Is that supposed to make it alright?
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)KarKar
(80 posts)Move along!
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
ProSense
(116,464 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
pscot
(21,024 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)uponit7771
(90,378 posts)...I don't trust people like Glenwald
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)...you know, make sure to ignore Obama's stimulus keeping the economy out of the crapper
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)...so he can do anything he wants why hasn't he stopped the globe from warming with the pipeline!!
:rolleyes::
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
neverforget
(9,437 posts)with what the NSA did? Of course not. Saying you don't trust people like Greenwald has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)...of stoking articles that make no techinical sense
Taking advantage of peoples lack of computer knowledge
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)1awake
(1,494 posts)They're opinion I think means exactly nothing to most on EITHER side of this argument. I have left most of your posts alone because over the years I have gained such respect for you. I am at a total loss in understanding your current position and evidently your current mission. Not that you would even know me or what I think should matter. I suppose it is my dilemma and not yours. I wish you well.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)1awake
(1,494 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Promise.
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bigtree
(86,026 posts). . . kind of slick, too.
I understand why he made that argument. It's all they have. They can't deny the transgressions and are reduced to minimizing them. Is this a surprise to anyone that the NSA would downplay this report?
Do you accept the government explanation at face value, or, is there a rebuttal to this that you'd give the benefit of your doubt?
Personally, I think the government can stand (and deserves) as much cynicism on this issue as we can dish out. That's the type of vigilance which has propelled changes to the way government operates in our regard.
dkf
(37,305 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,327 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)David Krout
(423 posts)Minuscule!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)I mean, if you want to be more accurate...
Hey, I saw 20 million houses, but I only marked the location of 2,800, and then destroyed the map.
That's compliance.
Now, if you were Bush, it would be...
Hey, I saw millions of houses, but I only broke into a few thousand and searched them.
That's breaking the law.
David Krout
(423 posts)Which raises the question of which analogy was more bizarre, yours or mine.
You may trash Pelisi now for not "getting it."
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Which raises the question of which analogy was more bizarre, yours or mine.
You may trash Pelisi now for not "getting it."
What does she have to do with the bizarre analogy? As I said to you here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023471576#post9
...my opinion is based on reading the information. Nancy Pelosi's statment isn't a rebuttal to my opinion.
David Krout
(423 posts)But you dont wanna say it. You made up an undisturbing analogy. She found the report extremely disturbing.
Now repeat after me: "I disagree with Nancy Pelosi".
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Her opinion has nothing to do with my opinion or point.
Apparently, you think it does. Are you expecting me to change my opinion because of Pelosi's statement?
David Krout
(423 posts)Was it a wee bit disturbing?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)If you're interested in my opinion, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023474183
David Krout
(423 posts)Yet you disagree with them often.
Let me help you.
You disagree with Nancy's view that the recent report on NSA non-compliance was "extremely disturbing."
See how easy?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Yet you agree with them often.
Now that it's established that neither you nor I is Greenwald or Snowden, and I'm not Nancy Pelosi, what's your point?
Testing an illogical theory?
David Krout
(423 posts)But you are afraid to say whether you agree with disagree with Pelosi.
See? It has nothing to do with you "being" Pelosi or anyone else.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)...vs the mistrust of the GOP and preventing people from voting.
What good is the 4th without the 15th
Stinky The Clown
(67,849 posts)Shit
cali
(114,904 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Fallacious appeal to authority"
...this may qualify. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023474420#post35
The OP is a news report that you're attempting to dismiss.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)a fallacious appeal to authority.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)You can't rebut the report so you label it.
The label doesn't change the information in the report.
pnwmom
(109,028 posts)was the number of "willful errors" -- " a couple over the last decade."
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Or, that drunk drivers only run over a miniscule number of people they see on the street.
rug
(82,333 posts)kentuck
(111,111 posts)Instead of the big numbers?
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)"only a little spying on Americans" and "it was an accident I swear."
That water you're carrying looks to be going a bit green.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)....but that's ok...Its more fun making shit up