Trump supporters go to Star Trek convention. It didn't go well

[SocialDemocrat61]

[mucifer]

1. Star Trek always had multicultural themes. maga just is inconsistent with Star Trek

I'm not a trekkie. But, I've seen it and that much about it I do know.

[shelshaw]

31. Wrath of Khan showcased the dangers of Maga

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

92. So did the first episode of Strange New Worlds and Picard season 3

Been watching since September, 1973 when I saw the animated show on Saturday mornings.

[Marcuse]

112. Khan's people were genetically engineered to be superior. MAGA, not so much.

[uponit7771]

127. One of the best movies of the 80s, the theme song is STILL an inspiration of mine

[BaronChocula]

47. Yup

Gene Rodenberry was about everything maga is not. The fact that they never picked up on that is just another clue to how obtuse those people are. And I'm not even a Trekkie.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

148. "Obtuse. Rounded at the free end"

"I just paid $5 to learn I'm rounded at the free end!" Les Nesman, WKRP

That was such a funny show.

[BaronChocula]

159. Ok. You get points for making me look something up

And that was one of those shows my whole family would gather to watch. I was young enough to not understand what was so funny about Jennifer's doorbell. But frozen turkeys dropped from the sky was gold. I also remember them addressing the Who concert where people were trampled. Ok, don't get me started.

[SunSeeker]

162. They dropped live turkeys, not frozen turkeys.

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." 🤣

Funniest sitcom bit of all time:

[BaronChocula]

196. Ha!

Strange how memory plays tricks.

[COL Mustard]

71. Wait...what?

Uhuru was white and so was Sulu! I saw it on my black and white TV way back when!!!

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

93. Yes, but on which side was your TV black?

If I ever get a chimera cat, I'll name it Bele or Lokai depending on which side is darker.

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[Xavier Breath]

123. Ah yes, the famous "Let that (cat) be your last battlefield" ep.

[Wednesdays]

118. And most of the people who created Star Trek were from *gasp* Hollywood!

And you know how Hollywood is overwhelmingly stuffed with MAGAts!

[Martin Eden]

139. That was my first thought

MAGA is entirely incompatible with the Star Trek ethos.

[onecaliberal]

2. Fuck their feelings. We can't sleep at night because of your "friends"

[GoodRaisin]

20. That's right.

Fuck their feelings. Exactly.

[dalton99a]

58. +1

[consider_this]

3. do they even watch the shows?

the underlying morality is polar opposite of anything MAGA. This does not compute, captain.

Edit to add: This is highly illogical!

[SWBTATTReg]

66. I doubt it seriously. Anyone with the tiniest of clues about what Star Trek is all about knows about what it

stands for (inclusion for all) and MAGA is nowhere in the room, even near.

[not fooled]

195. And also to act base upon facts, reason, and logic

"Does not compute" for maggots.

[whopis01]

178. My guess is that they did before they were sucked deep into MAGA.

I know people exactly like that. Ones that absolutely love Star Trek - especially from the TNG time period.
Over they years they have been brainwashed by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and the sort.

It is amazing watching someone like that compartmentalize and justify contradictory thoughts in order to not have to adjust their world view.

[consider_this]

180. dang, that is hard to imagine.

I don't doubt you at it, it's just incomprehensible how someone does that. Well, I can't understand it, and thank god I don't, or I guess I'd be subject to falling for MAGA crap.

[krkaufman]

194. The Cognitive Dissonance Firewall

Such is the benefit of the information bubble and training to which they’ve been subjected, with “liberal media” expanding to “fake news” and all the other tools that allow them to discard, reject without consideration avoiding any discomfort, thoughts and experiences (commonly referred to as reality) contrary to RW orthodoxy.

[Traildogbob]

4. Can't wait to see

What Bob Cesca has to say about them. He has a way with words. Huge Trekky Too. He was there and on some panels.

[yellowdogintexas]

53. on a panel with Mary Trump nt

[Wednesdays]

119. Not to mention George Takei! nt

[phoenix_rising]

146. George Takei is a national treasure! n/t

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

150. And we put him in a camp

We were the good guys that time. It'll be like The Man In The High Castle this time if they win.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

5. How did the leftists know these people were Trumpers?

And if they asked one of the Star Trek actors about their political opinions, then THEY are the one opening the can of worms.

[yardwork]

30. Apparently they didn't.

The poster said his friends are being very quiet but are terribly hurt to learn that 7 of 9 hates them.

I am trying to find empathy...

[eppur_se_muova]

55. Is that 7 out of 9 likely voters, or 7 out of 9 registered voters ? nt

(I know, just kidding)

[overleft]

106. I hope it is an omen!

[Meadowoak]

89. I'm surprised it wasn't 9 out of 9.

[GreenWave]

100. 7 of 9 was dating Whorf when I gave up all hope.

I guess he knows how to "comply"

[BumRushDaShow]

183. Worf had married Jadzia Dax

a Trill host (way back).

[Marcuse]

210. Worf struggled a bit with Jadzia's transition from Curzon. Beverly Crusher's relationship did not survive transition.

[BumRushDaShow]

211. And then Dax eventually moved to Ezri

with the loss of Jadzia.

[Marcuse]

212. Worf struggled with that too. I don't remember if it ever was resolved. I recall Quark and Bashir sniffing around Ezri.

[BumRushDaShow]

215. I think she ended up closer to Bashir

Quark was such a lecherous Ferengi that it didn't matter who it was (as long as they had plenty of latinum)!

[Marcuse]

218. True. Quark was always trying to get oomox from unsuspecting females.

[SocialDemocrat61]

213. Worf never met Curzon

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He first met Dax on DS9 when she was already Jadzia.

[BumRushDaShow]

214. But Sisko did meet

the "Old Man".

[SocialDemocrat61]

216. Yes

That's right.

[pat_k]

128. I do have empathy.

I am fed up with "us" hating on "them" and "them" hating on "us"

These are our fellow American's and and there are a lot of them. And they support Trump for all sorts of reasons.

Some just live in areas where "everyone" votes Republican, so that's what they are doing.

Some are stuck in the fox bubble.

Many are struggling. We cannot underestimate the toll being taken by inflation in rent and other monthly costs like auto insurance and health insurance. A lot of these folks are are voting for Trump because things suck and they think Trump will "shake things up." They want change for change sake.

Some are voting for Trump because they think those "blues" hate them, or hate their religious beliefs. They feel vilified and that feeling binds them together. And demonizing Trump and his voters only feeds those beliefs.

A whole lot of them don't actually pay much attention to the rallies or the speeches. They've got enough on their plates.

Perhaps take some time to talk to some of those "Reds" and you'll get a better feeling about what's going on.

Braver Angeles provides many, many opportunities.

BraverAngels.org

[TheKentuckian]

133. I'm fed up with their othering, empowering the wealthy, turning the planet into a dump, not being human much less equal

their constant assaults on voting and ever increasingly the constitutional order.

No the fucking "fever" is not breakng and I'm well beyond sick of living on the blade of the knife while everyone tries to "understand" this retrograde and toxic garbage.

MOTHERFUCK SOME EMPATHY FOR THEM.

[pat_k]

135. You might feel differently if you actually had a few conversations "across the divide."

Your stereotype of "them" is as accurate as their stereotype of "us." I think we'd better start working to reach across divides if we want to actually make any progress as a country on the things we agree on -- and there is a lot of common ground.

The "Reds" who show up at BraverAngels.org events are choosing to risk talking -- and listening. And if they are willing, I think more of us ought to be willing. It's not all peaches and cream. It's uncomfortable, infuriating, and very, very, difficult at times. But i've come out of every event happy that I attended.

And another thing. I didn't join to "try to understand." I joined because I didn't like what I was becoming. I joined because I felt sick about my own anger and hate. The only thing feeding my hate for "them" did for me was to cut me off from my own humanity. I joined for myself. Not for "them."

[TheKentuckian]

138. Don't tell me what my own lived experience is or who I talk to or live amongst.

Fuck those greedy Nazis and theocrats sideways with a rusty dumpster.

[pat_k]

140. Apologies if an assumption...

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... of some kind was conveyed in my post. That was not my intention. I have no assumptions about you. I simply meant to offer a speculation and a description of MY experience.

[BlueKota]

141. I am sorry but I cannot agree with this

Maybe if they didn't follow a party that wants to harm LGBTQ people(I'm straight but I have a gay man who I have loved like a brother for years), take away women's rights, take away rights from people of color, not to mention they care more about their stupid AR-15 rifles then they do innocent children's lives.

That's not stereo typing. Listen to any Republican national politician! They are proudly telling everyone that they stand against human rights for anyone who isn't a white male Christian. They will get no empathy from me as long as they hold that view or vote for any who tries to enact laws that will harm others. There is 0 excuse for that.

[pat_k]

149. I'm not trying to talk anybody into anything.

Just sharing the positive experiences I've had at BraverAngels.org events. I was tired of othering "them." I find the events to be very creatively structured in a way that opens moments of shared humanity and empathy across the "divide." It gives me hope. Something I've found in short supply these past years.

There was one woman who stands out in my mind. She was incredibly nervous. As the "Red/Blue Workshop" unfolded, it became clear that she was afraid of the "blues." She believed "blues" would reject and ridicule her for being a Christian. Through some difficult, honest, and respectful exchanges. It became clear to her that the "blues" (at least the ones in the zoom room) not only didn't hate her, some shared her faith. When she started crying, it brought tears to my eyes. I was so sad that she had been so afraid of "people like me."

They also work to find common ground on tough issues. For example, Trustworthy Elections. Read more about the process here:
https://braverangels.org/trustworthy-elections/

The set of proposals that came out of the process provide a "common ground" place -- areas that real progress can be made based on values shared by reds and blues.

They are currently engaging in a similar process on border security and immigration reform.

I think is it worthwhile work worthy of my time. Your mileage may vary.

[atreides1]

177. Okay

Are they still going to vote for Trump?

[pat_k]

200. Some

Others are never Trumpers. The "reds" and "blues" who show up are a self-selected group of people who are already willing to take a shot at "engaging" with the other side in way that doesn't feed the flames of anger and hate. The one thing in common is frustration with the vicious cycle of growing polarization and hate. Some have lost friends and family to "the divide" and are hoping to find a way to reconnect on some level.

Although changing minds is not the point of the workshops, one thing I've seen over and over is a softening of position that comes out of someone feeling heard by the "other side."

For anyone interested I would start with a "disagreeing better" workshop. They also have a monthly film and discussion group that is usually interesting. A more intensive workshop is the "red/blue" workshop. That's one I'd like to do again, but I think they prioritize people who haven't taken it before. There are many, many, other types of events. There are "debates" (not structured like a typical debate) on controversial topics. In places with an established chapter, there are in-person events. There are also opportunities to engage in structured 1-to-1 virtual meetings someone from the "other side."

As much as "we" may be disgusted by "their" othering, I see a good bit of "othering" of "them" on our side.

[BlueKota]

197. Glad you are finding it helpful

As someone who was bullied, however, burying my emotions literally made me ill. All the anger at them that I wasn't expressing I turned on myself.

The few times I stood up to them, I actually felt better. For example these girls in my class who always thought themselves, "very special," wanted to have the rest of us sign an apology to our teacher who had just gotten fired by the principal in front of us. The "teacher," was fired because she had just slammed a boy's head against the black board so hard, he fell unconscious and had to be rushed to the ER in an ambulance. We were 12. He probably said something to her that he shouldn't have but there was no excuse to do that to a kid.

When they asked me to sign it, I said
there was no way I was going to apologize to someone so cruel, we did nothing to apologize for and that she deserved what she got. Do you know what happened?

Some of the boys who were always making fun of me, came up and hugged me and told me it was about time I stopped being a doormat and that they were proud of me and they refused to sign too.

It's one thing if someone else is actually sorry for hurting others, and actually apologizes too, but it's quite another if they go on treating other people badly, or associate with people who do, and expect the rest of us to go along just to get along.

Anyone with any common sense should have the capability to see Trump is a vicious person who wants to have other people physically harmed. That's why I will never tell someone I understand why they are Trump supporter, because I won't lie like Donny does.

Democrats aren't perfect but we aren't the ones saying we are going to put people in concentration camps just because they have a different religion or skin color, or they love someone of the opposite sex. I will never be accepting of anyone who
supports those kind of views.

[pat_k]

201. I completely understand the sentiment.

Where I have had a different experience relates to "if they go on treating other people badly, or associate with people who do..."

People "associate" with maga for all kinds of reasons, as I tried to express in the post that started this exchange. Some just feel so hated by "us" they've retreated further into the morass. Others.... well, it's in the post.

[HarryM]

167. Try talking to them

I have. You cannot reason with these people. You can show them actual facts from the source, and they still believe the felon.
I don’t hate anyone, but if I ever HAVE to deal with them lately, and their fascist political views come out, I refute them once and only once. If they keep on with their rhetoric, I just give them the old, “uh huh,” do whatever business I have to do with them and avoid them. There used to be times where I would keep going on how their reasoning is flawed, but not any more. They will not listen. If they are to come around to a sane point of view, they will on their own.
Just saying that I don’t hate them, but reasoning with them is futile. Better to let them discover for themselves, than have someone shove it down their throat.

[not fooled]

198. My experience has been the same.

After a few fruitless attempts at discussion, I gave up. What's the point?

[pat_k]

202. All I can say is you might try...

... one of the structured BraverAngels.org workshops. They try to promote a different kind of engagement that helps break though the defensive walls.

[HarryM]

203. No way.

Because their sponsors are Fox News and The Blaze.
Their President is a right winger, and their biggest donor is promoting speakers like Clarance Thomas and Dubya.
I can never use them as a resource for anything.
You can learn a lot by a five minute search on the top people in the organization and their donors. It is available by reading their 990 tax form, which is available right on their website.

[pat_k]

204. Suit yourself. Others point to the fact...

... a majority of the members and small donors are "blues" as a sign it is all a big liberal conspiracy. I judge by the quality and effect of the workshops and their honest effort to balance every position of leadership between "reds" and "blues." Recruiting reds is the major challenge because liberals are more open to the power of talking than conservatives.

[SocialDemocrat61]

205. Just a reminder

This is Democratic Underground. The goal here is to support democrats and the Democratic Party.

[pat_k]

206. I think our party would benefit...

. . . enormously if we toned down hateful and rancorous othering of "them." I'm seeing posts promoting Republicans for Harris. Well, they are founded by right-wing people too. I don't see how suggesting we could benefit from reaching out, and engaging more productively with "reds" somehow undermines Dems.

I thought we were the party that believes unity grounded in common humanity is a good thing.

[SocialDemocrat61]

207. I think our party would benefit by

winning elections and consigning Trump and his followers to the dustbin of history, the same as we did with the Nazis, McCartyites and segregationists.

[HarryM]

208. Often times when we reach out

They swiftly bite our heads off figuratively.

[HarryM]

209. I don't care who smaller donors are

The heads are in favor of Project 2025, which will destroy the country. Yet you still think that we should try to reason with them.
You know what, a lot of this “reasoning” with the extreme right has led the US to becoming more and more right leaning. I am tired of letting them take things away from us, even if it is a little. It’s high time they started giving back all the things that they took, and someone standing firmly for that. Why is it that the left always has to give in a little to the right? Next thing, and we are all out fascist!
I have dealt with some republicans who seem to want to get along, and compromise. They just end up stabbing you in the back. No more of that for me. I am sticking to my convictions. Eventually, you will learn.

[BlueKota]

144. Maybe the friends didn't bring the subject up

but apparently someone else must have to Jerry Ryan because how would she have known the other people she was telling to fuck off were Trump supporters either? Maybe they were wearing Trump shirts?

Also the article also mentions someone directly asked Kate Mulgrew, the actress who played Janeway, about her politics.

So if this asshat Republican wants to blame anyone for always making things political, they should look to their fellow Magats.

And aw too bad the friends felt like they had to keep quiet after the fact. Now they know how Democrats who have extented family members who are Magats and live in a Magat run town feel about having to stay silent.

[Habitation]

190. 😂

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[3Hotdogs]

34. Maybe they were acting "normal."

[hadEnuf]

188. They asked one of the actors what their political opinion was. The MAGATs didn't like her answer.

These MAGATs go everywhere wearing their politics on their sleeves and when no one kisses their asses they cry victim, saying that "leftists" always make it about politics. They just didn't get the free ride they think they are entitled to this time.

Screw them. They are hateful bullies who go around looking for something to be offended by so they can play the victim.

[tanyev]

6. Most Star Trek episodes are pretty *gasp* woke.

If there are Trump supporters who are big enough fans to go to a convention, they’re not comprehending what they’re watching.

[Marcuse]

113. Lt. Uhura: "Enterprise to Captain Kirk. The alien transmission reads, Kamala is a DEI who just turned Black".

[Habitation]

193. Ryan addresses this with Mary Trump here

https://www.mediaite.com/entertainment/its-really-scary-mary-trump-and-star-trek-picards-jeri-ryan-compare-maga-cult-to-the-borg/

JERI RYAN: Honestly, I wish I knew. I wish that playing this character had given me some insight and that I could do it because it’s personal experience in my own family. And it’s constant brainwashing by propaganda that is nonstop. And it’s getting worse instead of better. And I don’t know how to deprogram or counteract that. It’s, it’s scary. It’s really, really frightening.

MARY TRUMP: And I think part of the problem is that there is this ability to absorb hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance and never feel challenged. So the fact that there are people who love Star Trek and miss it, the message of it entirely.

JERI RYAN: They just like looking at the pretty spaceships. I think that must be what it was…

MARY TRUMP: Ya think?

JERI RYAN: They haven’t watched this show. Did you, did you switch the sound off or…

MARY TRUMP: Because this is as subtle as William Shatner’s acting.

[Croney]

7. "They wanted to turn their brains off"

That turn didn't have far to spin.

[yourout]

27. Their mouths on the other hand.....

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

151. More mouth than brain. Like an Argentine Pac-Man froggy

[GaYellowDawg]

87. LOL

I was going to say that implied that they were on in the first place.

[edhopper]

8. MAGAs are the Borg

without the tech.

[getagrip_already]

39. Actually they are more like romulans with a vein of ferangi

The borg at least had a purpose and a community.

Romulans were a dictatorship run by a warlord. Deceitful, murderous, without honor or discipline. Every romulan was unto themselves, but served the leader.

Maga defined.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

94. You forgot the Pakleds n/t

[getagrip_already]

116. While low inteligence, they liked technology and science

The Pakleds were a species known for their limited intelligence and simplistic way of life. Their culture and society reflected this, with a focus on survival and acquiring technology by any means necessary.

Pakled society was highly stratified, with a clear hierarchy based on strength and ability to acquire technology. The strongest and most capable Pakleds were the leaders, while weaker and less capable individuals were relegated to lower positions in society.

Also, they valued ability over bluster, not something magats are known for.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

117. Wow. Even the Pakleds are better than MAGA!! 😆

You know, would an emoji in the title be a way to signal 'no text' in the reply header so we would select a little used emoji as a signifier...or is there already a 'no-text' emoji I don't know about?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

160. I simply type "nt" and preceded it by spaced dots to separate it from the title. . . . . . nt

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

184. My forward slash is on a text options button on my keyboard, I have to hit the thing to type a slash and exit it after

to go back to letters.

[pstokely]

164. would the Borg even find worthy of assimilation?

?

[EYESORE 9001]

9. No one can prove to me that rump isn't Ferengi

Somebody should look into that

[SocialDemocrat61]

13. Trump or Ferengi?

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

96. Imagine Quark's scenery chewing if HE'D been shot in the ear! n/t

[Seinan Sensei]

181. No one has ever seen Quark and TSF in the same room together

[Persondem]

186. I would say he is the bastard offspring of a Ferengi/

/Pakled mating ... getting the worst of both species.

[harumph]

10. Star Trek is about teaching lessons of inclusion - NOT exclusion or "othering."

Hence the entire Star Trek ethos is diametrically opposed to MAGAism - whether or not stupid MAGA people understand that.
They should tell the MAGA people, "When your political appointees tried to and successfully took away my rights, you made it political."

[Kid Berwyn]

11. Jeri Ryan is TOPS!

And I’m not talking about what Jason Alexander said.

[ZonkerHarris]

12. The values behind STAR TREK, ever since Gene Rodenberry created it, have been about inclusion

and equality.
From the first season in the 1960s on....

[calimary]

79. Yep. And Nichelle Nichols helped to lead the way.

I think she was the first African American actress to have such a visible or prominent role in any TV series back then. I found her absolutely mesmerizing and I remember noticing how she was the only girl in the main cast. I loved her character even more when I learned the back story of her name:

"Uhura" comes from the Swahili word uhuru, meaning "freedom". Nichols states in her 1994 book Beyond Uhura that the name was inspired by Robert Ruark's 1962 book Uhuru, which she had with her on the day she read for the part. When producer Robert Justman explained to Roddenberry what the word uhuru meant, he changed it to Uhura and adopted that as the character's name.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyota_Uhura

Yep. In so many ways that series was WAY ahead of its time.

[hatrack]

95. Plus the first interracial kiss in US television history - Kirk & Uhura . . . .

Path-breaking show in many ways.

[calimary]

98. Oh yeah! I remember that!

And I also remember after it happened, wondering why it was considered such a big deal?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. The fact that Star Trek cast members are pro Harris and anti-TFG makes me smile

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

97. Unfortunately I heard Grace Lee Whitney repeating Limbaugh statements at the Con she was at

She was going on and on about the Clintons

[Emile]

15. Everyone thinks Trump supporters are Weird.

[birdographer]

16. This 👆

They are horrible people and if they want to be those people, they will need to accept that this is going to be our response to them. You can't be a Nazi in 2024 and expect to be welcome anywhere. They made their choice.

[FoxNewsSucks]

17. they are weird. creepy and weird.

[calimary]

82. Well, SOMETHING's gotta explain those folks.

And yeah, they ARE weird. If you stand with trump, then YES, you’re weird. And you should be grateful that “weird” is the word, and not something much more icky!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

18. Every Star Trek series from the beginning is set in a liberal world and culture.

Only apocalyptic sci-fi deals with right winger stuff. It's only logical.

[meadowlander]

50. What are the two most famous bits in Star Trek?

1. "Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no one has gone before!"

This is the antithesis of MAGA which is backwards looking and isolationist.

2. The Prime Directive - non-interference with the development of alien civilisations and cultures.

The single most important moral principles in the Star Trek universe is to live and let live. This is the antithesis of MAGA trying to control people and stop them from defining their own identities, loving who they want to love, reading what they want to read, speaking how they naturally speak, etc.

If you're only watching Star Trek because you enjoy stuff getting blown up in space, then you've very much missed the point of the series.

And for all the MAGA out there moaning about how the real celebrities are all Democrats, it might be worth reflecting on the role of art and culture in society which is about exploring, acceptance and inclusion. If you can't back any of those things, then you need to get used to all the real artists expressing withering contempt for you. Your ideology threatens their existence.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

57. Excellent. That boils it down to the essence.

[Coexist]

19. Star Trek: Woke Since 09/08/1966

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

21. Jeri Ryan was married to Jack Ryan who was the 2004 GOP Senate candidate in Illinois

In 2004, Jack Ryan, the actress' ex-husband, was the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate from Illinois. Then his divorce records became public, including allegations by Jeri that he'd pressured her to have public sex in swingers clubs in various cities. Ryan denied the allegations but dropped out of the race a few days later. The Republicans recruited former MSNBC host Alan Keyes to run in Ryan's place. Obama defeated him in a landslide, earning himself a U.S. Senate seat and a prominent public platform from which to launch his presidential campaign.

One wonders if her ex-husband wasn't such a perv would Obama have ever been president.

https://ew.com/article/2008/01/09/obama-jeri-ryan/

[TommyT139]

29. The More You Know! nt

[Evolve Dammit]

36. excellent insight!

[yardwork]

37. Interesting!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

62. Yep, iirc, Ryan was quite a bit ahead in the polls. It was Ryan's race to lose.

Alan Keyes was certifiable. A lunatic. A joke.

[xmas74]

81. This!

I've heard a few Trekkies complain about Jeri lately being "woke". If they knew the garbage her ex tried to get her to do when she didn't want to? And that ex was a Republican politician?

Come on. She herself said she never registered to vote until 2016 for several reasons but that year she knew she had to speak up and do something.

[NickB79]

132. He married Jeri Ryan and STILL went to swingers clubs?!?!

Dude won the goddamn smoking hot wife lottery and still wasn't satisfied. My God, what a POS he was.

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[lapfog_1]

161. typical repuke... he wanted to show the world ( of other men )

that he got Jeri Ryan to be his wife and prove by having kinky sex in public.

I have no problem with that if they both wanted to do it ( in sex clubs or other adult venues ), but Jeri made it clear this was not something she ever wanted to engage in this.

[Ilsa]

147. I was going to post about this, but I'm glad you beat

me to it. I guess Jeri Ryan fell for this creepy man before finding out about his weird fantasies.

[Takket]

22. maga wants to take everyone's rights away that doesn't look like them, but then they compalin

about people making things political. can't make this shit up.

[sinkingfeeling]

23. Poor little snowflakes.

[Bucky]

24. Going to a Trek convention and complaining about the liberal bias...

... Is like going to a soccer game and asking "why don't the players just pick up the dang ball and run it thru the field goal?"

[Bucky]

25. If they'd just dressed up as Ferengi, they coulda gotten away with it

The Ferengi are there to depict the pettiness of the Republican world view

[Irish_Dem]

26. When you are the wrong side of history.

And on the side of evil.

This is what eventually happens.

[yardwork]

28. Where did I hear "Fuck your feelings." I know I saw it somewhere...

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

152. It's still echoing back and forth on the cliffs of Machu Picchu. n/t

[SupportSanity]

32. Your friends might've been better off saying "Hail Landru! Blessed be the body, and health to all of its parts."

Anything but "Hail Trump!". Certainly the wrong place to "Hail Trump"

Luckily the Trekkies didn't "transport" your friends out of there.

[AZ8theist]

44. Haha!! "Deep space, widest dispersion!!!"

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

99. Let's turn them into sapient tribbles with the transporter and beam them to Kronos!

It worked for Khan, right? I almost walked out of the theater during that part. Never watched it again.

[TommyT139]

33. I bet George Takei has something to say too!

He and his husband Brad we're on the Queers for Kamala call.

[CaptainTruth]

35. Maybe don't be vile & people won't hate you?

Just a thought.

[OldBaldy1701E]

60. Yeah, it is wild that they cannot grasp this simple concept.

Almost as if they are missing something... wonder what that could be?

https://i.postimg.cc/4NKck2jx/temp-Image-Jf-Tm4k.avif

[ejbr]

38. With

A PASSION!

[Collimator]

40. "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations"

Aka IDIC. NOT a MAGA mindset.

Also, most of the Trekkies that I know are nerdy, but far from stupid. Many people in STEM careers or who are dedicated to progressive causes cut their teeth on some iteration of Star Trek or other.

If you want to shut off your brain, go to a professional wrestling match.

[cstanleytech]

41. If they dont want to feel like they are hated the solution is not to be a douchebag and support Trump.

Instead they just need invest in voting for people that really want to help everyone in the country instead of the ones that only want to help the top 1% which they probably not one.

[EarnestPutz]

42. Remember when that idiot church from Missouri went to ComicCon in San Diego with their "You're Going to Burn in Hell"...

.......signs and then a couple of hundred people, dressed rather outlandishly as one does at ComicCon, came out as a counter-protest and blew the "religious" folk away? I know it's different because these church folk were there to protest and these Trumplicans were not, but c'mon, what did they expect? Oh, and "turn their brains off?", really. That happened when their orange cartoon figure came down the escalator.

[niyad]

104. Missouri? Not westboro baptist out of KS?

[RussellCattle]

129. Yep, that's the one. I knew I was close and just figured it didn't really matter. The.....

.....Bible Belt is the Bible Belt. Kind of thoughtless of me, though. If I’m going to hang those flaming church assholes around a state’s neck, I should try to be accurate.. Thanks for the correction.

[niyad]

131. Not a problem. It got me wondering if there was a similar group of crazies in MO 2F

with which I was unfamiliar. A truly frightening thought.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

154. I recognized their spoor

I had it all worked out where my bike would backfire by flicking the kill rocker back and forth while coasting in gear. I figured it would come in handy if they visited nearby. It did tend to keep people from tailgating. I could see flames at night when I did it. But I never got to protest them.

[ashredux]

43. Folks do not like people that show support a person who is found guilty of 34 felonies, sexual abuse (rape), & fraud.

Continue to support Trump, and society will begin to look at you as a pariah…

[flying_wahini]

45. Were they wearing Pro Trump t shirts that said fuck your feelings?

Or Maga hats?

Or just silently plotting our demise?

[Warpy]

46. A woman despises the supporters of a stupid man who takes the credit

for packing the USSC with fundagelical nutcases and took away her right to health care in many parts of the US and they're surprised she is going off on them?

Yay, Jeri, you were one of the actresses who got completely underrated because people thought your character had taken over the show. Your performances were often nuanced, showing an underlying intelligence as well as skill. You go, girl!

One way or another, the USSC has got to be fixed and soon, or the massive list to starboard will sink the ship of state.

And as T flag wavers are made unwelcome at more and more events, maybe some of them sill finally ask why. They might even listen to the answers. I've seen early signs of healing ever since Limbaugh died and has stayed dead. If a black/Indian woman can vanquyixh the sociopathic orange blob, healing will increase.

Every little bit helps. Today, a Trekkie convention. Tomorrow, maybe their church's organizations.

[Sky Jewels]

48. Funny how embracing fascists, fascism and insurrection and working destroy democracy

make you a tad unpopular...

[Farmer-Rick]

185. Exactly

Pedo Trump supporters are all about ending voting, putting in a dictator, ending centuries
of we the people and ending democracy.

And they want everyone to just shut up and go about their business. Ignore the end to centuries of freedom. While they, not so quietly, enable a wannabe dicktater.

Yeah, it's just another day in the US where a guy who attempted a coup is getting idiots to vote him back in. No, you don't get to live a political free life, a quiet moment, if you are helping to replace freedom with Fascism.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

49. Don't cry, Magats, the Borg queen still loves you.

Well, IRL she probably also hates you, so there's that.

[Beartracks]

51. Why can't people go to football games, car shows, libraries, or THEIR OB-GYN...

... or even watch the Olympics, without rightwingers making it about politics, every. single. time.

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[dalton99a]

56. +1

[Harker]

52. Maybe they'll feel better at the "Hercules" convention.

They can ask Kevin Sorbo about his political views.

[Figarosmom]

54. This guy obviously

Didn't understand the message of Star Trek. You him it was just "stupid nerdy" stuff .Just an aside, wasn't it Geri Ryan's x husband Obama beat in Chicago for his first state seat?

[xmas74]

84. He dropped out of the race

After court documents showed he tried to coerce his ex to attend sex clubs. He was replaced and Obama soundly beat him.

[Figarosmom]

86. Oh yesh

And the repubs put in that crazy guy Alan Keyes thinking that because Keyes was black he could win. UT Keyes wS certifiable. Republicans remind me of rhat original star trek where they come upon people ruling themselves with real backward reasoning and saying they ruled as it was written. Kirk found the paper they were following and it was the Constitution which they were misunderstanding.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

101. The Omega Glory. Cloud William would be MAGA n/t

[Figarosmom]

110. Yes that

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Was it. I'm guessing they found great meaning in the the sci-fi series Gor. That is if they even bother to read since I don't recall the Gor books being in film

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

155. I don't think they could be done properly without a TV-MA

Waaay too much bondage and slave girly

[Figarosmom]

156. Thats what i figured theyd like

All the enslavement and control of women is right up their alley.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

158. And, they weren't that good l. I'd rather have a good adaptation of The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress

If it was me. That and Stranger are the only two of his I still like.

[Think. Again.]

59. Good...

Social shunning of dangerous members of society is always necessary.

[relayerbob]

61. It has always been progressive far beyond its time

Maybe they should pay attention and learn something.

Oh, wait.

[duncang]

63. From what I remember a lot of the actors are left leaning.

Especially second generation. Whoopi Goldberg, Marina Sirtis, LeVar Burton, Patrick Stewart, Gates McFadden, etc.

Some more than others.

[Zoomie1986]

68. The first generation weren't too shabby of liberals

Nichelle Nichols was such a close friend of MLK that she complained to him about how she found her role as Uhura so limited and almost demeaning. He encouraged her to stay, because he believed that she was shattering barriers as a black woman with a regular speaking part on a sci-fi TV show in the 60s.

He was right. Her part is small, but it had a huge impact for black actors, especially women.

[cynical_idealist]

78. Great show about Nichelle _ Woman in Motion

I learned a lot and became even more grateful for her role(s) in society.

[Deep State Witch]

108. Uncle George

and his husband hosted the AAPI for Kamala and LGBTQ for Kamala calls. He's never been shy about his political opinions.

[Zoomie1986]

64. Are these halfwits even aware that Star Trek

Doesn't support their darling capitalism? They don't even use money!

The fourth film has them unable to get things because they not only had no money, they were surprised at needing it for anything. 'Oh yeah--these people used money--how quaint!' They were then having to panhandle so they could get things they needed.

[mucholderthandirt]

166. They didn't panhandle, they pawned Kirk's antique watch.

They tried to ask people how to get somewhere, a couple of places, and people just pushed past them.

[SpankMe]

65. Same thing happens to me when I go to certain air shows

As a WWII aviation history buff, I like going to air shows that showcase refurbished WWI planes. Most of the participants at these ostensibly non-partisan events are right-wingers who openly display pro-Trump and nasty anti-Biden paraphernalia. I keep my mouth shut and never engage them. But they express threatening thoughts and violent rhetoric that makes me very uncomfortable. At times, I don't feel safe.

An acquaintance of mine - who is quite progressive, but also a gun hobbyist - says that gun shows are similarly problematic and are worse than the air shows.

My friend and I have resigned ourselves to the fact that certain of our hobby interests overlap with and fall within interest areas dominated by the conservative mindset. It is what it is, and we can still enjoy these interests with caution.

Conservatives have to understand that SciFi, Star Trek and Star Wars fans, and industries aligned with Hollywood, are going to be dominated by liberals and that - if they, too, are Star Trek fans - they'll just have to grin and bear it just like my friend and I do.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

103. Thought that was just me

I grew tired of inane announcers and bad music drowning out the show. Speakers should be silent when aircraft are over the field. I haven't been to a show since I left Oregon. Went to one gun show. I can mokusatsu Trumpanzees anywhere and often do so.

I still want to go to AirVenture someday.

[moniss]

171. I've had the

"displeasure" several years ago to go to a big combination Flea Market/Gun Show/Knife Show because I was helping someone unload his boxes of junk for the flea market. I never in my life saw such an assemblage of kooks. Oh yes and mixed in with the guns and knifes on the tables most of the "proprietors" had literature to hand out that was all about conspiracy theories, anti-Semitism, racism and the need to do home-schooling etc. I saw families that didn't look like they had ever seen a barber, a dentist or a shower marching along with swords and daggers they had just bought and wearing t-shirts expressing their bigotry.

These are some of the folks the pundits tell us we should "reach out to" and "listen to" because they "haven't been heard". Most of us heard their BS long ago and made the wise decision that they shouldn't be listened to.

[MrWowWow]

67. Is tramp trying to be the reichwing version

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Of Q ..courtesy of the SCROTUM-6? This would be the stinky dollhanded, weirdo fiend version of Q.

[Zoomie1986]

72. Q had real and dangerous powers

But he wasn't a completely terrible person. He turned out to be rather endearing with his secret fondness for all things human.

And let's not forget the gift he gave Data:

[Zoomie1986]

74. Oh--and Q had something the orange one never has

A sense of humor.

[Girard442]

69. The lesson they should have learned is that if 7 of 9 could get free of the Borg Collective, there's hope for them.

[COL Mustard]

70. Wait...the friends wanted to turn their brains off...so they went to a Star Trek convention?

I think their brains are turned off every time they go to a TSF rally or listen to one of his speeches. Seems like being around normal nerds would turn their brains back on!

[senseandsensibility]

73. So their feelings are hurt?

Is that the point? And for some reason we should care about that? Wow. Talk about zero self awareness and the ability to dish it out but not take it.

[Zoomie1986]

75. What gets me is how they inject politics into things

Anywhere and everywhere without caring who hears them, when it suits them, but have the gall to piss and moan when liberals state their views in public.

[meadowlander]

85. I know right? Keep your religion out of my schools, libraries, courts and Congress and I'll keep my complaints about it

out of your Star Trek convention.

[mahina]

76. How could these people possibly turn their brains off?

It’s really nice to hear this happened though. Sharing with my Mom, an original treky

[marble falls]

77. Herbert! Herbert!

?si=3Zmzg9BdJF5XkIcb

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

105. One of my fave episodes

The campiness was epic, especially after the darkness of The Empath episode

[xmas74]

80. After the way her ex Jack treated her

Did any of those idiots expect her to support Republicans?

[Attilatheblond]

91. That would require them to know some small slice of history. That is asking too much of them

They are trained to see the pretty blond women as messengers bringing glad tidings of their glorious orange idol. Especially if the blond women wear short skirts or flash a little cleavage.

[Timeflyer]

83. Darn those Star Trek women for being real people with ideas and opinions, who want to defeat evil Orange Turd.

[Demobrat]

88. So now you know.

You are not liked, wanted, or welcome. So next year stay home. And the year after that and the year after that. Easy-peasy.

[ProfessorGAC]

90. Gee, How Could I Respond?

Oh yeah! "Fuck Your Feelings"!

[Xolodno]

102. Don't tell them how the Empire in Star Wars relates to them.

They'll review bomb the next movie/series.

[Deep State Witch]

107. Trek Actors

With a few notable exceptions, are all liberals. I've seen many of them over the years, and they aren't shy about their opinions either way.

The only ones that I know of who are Republicans are Robert Beltran and possibly Roxanne Dawson. Beltran has, unfortunately, joined the MAGA cult.

[RockRaven]

109. These are the same sort of dummies who tell Rage Against The Machine to

stick to music and stay out of politics. They consume this popular media, even to a deep fandom degree, in utter obliviousness to what it is about/means.

[Marcuse]

111. These idiots calling Kamala "low IQ" remind me of when their ilk tried to insult Spock's intelligence.

Maybe they went to the wrong convention?

Nope.

[Deep State Witch]

126. Wrong Universe

But I'll allow it.

[Klarkashton]

114. "stay in your lane" and go to a maga rally instead.

Talk about snowflakes, it's called the real world.

[Alpeduez21]

115. Not only 7of 9; I hate them ,too

It always disgusting how those who will be the least prosecuted by Maggots feel they should be able to have theirs hatred ignored and just be welcomed. I’m of course making some assumptions here. Such as they are white and at least middle class. A lot people outside of these parameters will never be allowed the luxury of resting from maggot abuse due their appearance. Doesn’t matter how they are just how they appear. Personally I’d be ok if every maggot had the letter ‘T’ carved into their forehead similar to the treatment of Nazis in the movie Inglorious Bastards

[chowmama]

120. They must have been rooting for the Ferengis

And they're damned lucky Armin Shimerman wasn't one of the speakers..

[B.See]

121. Wrote something some time ago, of how

reich-wingers have NEVER understood the messaging behind, not only Star Trek and Star Wars (as if Vader's helmet wasn't a fkng clue), but also in what Lee once dubbed "pop art productions" (yes, I was a reader/collector of them back in the 60's and early '70's - an avid one, to the point of starting to sound like them... 'nuff said').

They didn't get the anti-fascist, good vs. evil messaging in Marvel, nor DC,

and for a long time never had a clue that Homelander (The Boys) was a fkn psychopath.

I mean, how could you, when you WORSHIP one irl??

'flame on.'

[lpbk2713]

122. Get over it.

If their side wasn't spewing lies and hate so much maybe they wouldn't encounter so much resentment.

[3catwoman3]

124. Star Trek is the very embodiment...

… of DEI and always has been.

What a bunch of ignorant know-nothings.

[pat_k]

125. Yeah, Trump is horrible, but diatribes about him or his voters...

... only serve to make those supporters feel hated by us, and feel more strongly bound together.

We really need to focus on actually reaching out with a message of unity, shared values (and there are many), and hope for the future.

This "them" hating on us, and "us" hating on them, is NOT the way out of this.


BraverAngels.org

[TheKentuckian]

136. I welcome their hatred and don't cotton to them fouling air.

[FullySupportDems]

130. Turn their brains off? Star Trek?

Stupid nerdy time? No. Star Trek inspired many scientists and engineers. And tackled social issues too. Seems they had their brains set to Off already. Fuck that guy and his friends too.

[consider_this]

134. If the orange chicken shows up for the debate...

I want the Star Trek Original series fight theme playing:

[Beacool]

137. Gene Rodenberry would have been proud.

Trump and the MAGA folks represent the opposite of what he believed in and why he created Star Trek. As a Trekkie, in particular of Voyager because Captain Janeway was fierce, I'm glad that Jerry Ryan and Kate Mulgrew spoke up against the fascist attempt to take over this country. This is not a normal election. This is a pivotal election that would change the U.S. as we know it if Trump were to win and most of the proposals of Project 2025 were implemented.

As for these Trump followers, may it be a wake up call to them. The majority of Americans do NOT support the vile man. He, and Republicans, do not represent the will of the majority of Americans. As of 2020, they won the popular vote only once in 32 years (Bush after 9/11).

[Jk23]

142. Without Jeri Ryan (7 of 9) there is no Obama presidency.

I mean how did they think she would answer?

[B.See]

143. You see, here's the arrogantly privileged aspect of it all

Those who support Trump and defend his/MAGA's twisted ideology of hate, fully expect to be able to do so without experiencing any blowback or consequences for that which they so eagerly embrace.

They endorse those who preach and spread venom, bigotry, and malice,

threatening the peace of mind, security, and even safety of those they despise,

yet their own little world should remain sacrosanct - untouched and unchanged, and everyone should treat them nicely.

No. You should reap what you sow.

[riverkittenDem]

145. ....they've watched the show right

[ImNotGod]

153. We should star trek the fascists and plant them all on a quaint lil planet with Ceti eel's for pets. nt

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

157. They would die like RFK's did.

"Why aren't the eels working??" (bashes gloved hand)

[SunSeeker]

163. Good. It's about time MAGAts learned what weirdos they are. nt

[Brainfodder]

165. Snowflakes still haven't a clue that it is not an actual PARTY and doesn't need defended 24.7.365?

Just typing that had me but probably the wake and back needs factored in.

[Javaman]

168. all repukes are red shirts anyone. I'll just leave this here. nt

[mwb970]

169. IOW, "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!"

[ecstatic]

170. "they wanted to turn their brains off ..."

You mean turn their brains on?

Because their brains are off most of the time if they are trump supporters.

[Layzeebeaver]

172. They seem to forget that the actors aren't actually from the future

They are flesh and blood U.S. citizens (in most cases) and have opinions. You ask a question? You'll get an answer.

Reminds me of a funny line from "A Haunting in Venice" (I likely can't remember the exact line but here goes)... "If you wake the bear from slumber, you can't cry when it tangos."

[bluedigger]

173. Try being a liberal at a Jeep event.

Then you'll see how it is.

[Moostache]

174. If you feel that "Everyone" hates you...

Find a mirror and look at the REAL problem... take inventory of what you profess and you'll know.

[sarchasm]

175. Maybe they didn't see, "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"

Easily one of the best social commentary episodes on any TV show ever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield

[NBachers]

176. I was able to maintain my composure until I got to the last sentence: "7 of 9 hates them with a fucking passion"

Then I couldn't help laughing.

[Mr. Mustard 2023]

179. My reply to the Republicon MAGA is...

..."You made your choice, and you chose deadly oil, and a weird (biblical) need to force women into chattel again. You chose a deadbeat con man who threatens our democratic republic and freedoms.

YOU chose to side with Nazis and Russia over us.

We do not pretend to respect Nazis - just to get along.

Before you say "well I thought you're the party of tolerance and inclusion" I say this:

"We tolerate your right to exist, but that does not mean we are required to pretend to like and or respect you, and we don't."

"We don't like you and we do not respect you. We do not be civil with you because you are a Nazi."

Be a Nazi, be treated like a Nazi.

Now buh bye, we're headed to Riza and you're not invited.

[jmowreader]

182. Let's see here...

This guy went to a convention for the most woke franchise in the history of entertainment and he’s disturbed that all the actors are liberals? Go figure.

[markbark]

187. Trumpers would do well

with the Ferengi delegation.
But maybe they'd feel more at home with the Pakleds?

[BobTheSubgenius]

189. Have they tried not being awful people?

Supporting the arguably worst Presidential candidate in American history and a hateful, short-sighted and ultimately destructive ideology might be hurting, not helping, them. Just a thought.

[krkaufman]

191. Borrowing the Internet meme...

“Tell me you failed to understand Star Trek without telling me you failed to understand Star Trek.”

- - -

“Obtuse” would have significant size in a MAGA word cloud.

[Jimvanhise]

192. STAR TREK HAS ALWAYS BEEN POLITICAL

Where have these people been? Some fans do complain about it. There is a Next Generation episode (from more than 20 years ago) where everyone on a planet is gender neutral but to express interest in someone who isn't gender neutral is considered wrong and they have to undergo treatment. Some fans went crazy, calling it "politically correct" and worse.

[mdbl]

199. Why can't people just nerd out

Probably because they feel their entire way of life is being threatened by moronic magat cultists. For the same reason, I find it hard to laugh at them anymore since so many stupid voters take magats and extreme right wing assholes so seriously. Thanks crew of Voyager for speaking out against the tyranny in front of us.

[hawkeye21]

217. Maybe because the fate of the US is more important than a convention. Tell you MAGA cult friends that.