Pro-Pal White Woman: "Jewish women are too ugly to be raped"

[TheProle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/1cgy0xm/propalestinian_jewish_women_are_too_ugly_to_be/

She needs to be named and shamed.

[getagrip_already]

1. That sounds like something trump says about women he raped

[elleng]

5. Right, 'not my type.'

[Bad Thoughts]

40. No coincidence. Eom.

[Coventina]

2. Wow.

I have no words.....

[Ace Rothstein]

3. Remember, they are just protesting against Israel.

[ExciteBike66]

8. Smear em all, huh?

[Happy Hoosier]

11. Are you denying this was said?

Are you really doing a "not all" defense here?

SMDH....

[Ace Rothstein]

14. When there is example after example then yeah.

Maybe they should do a better job of policing the bad actors.

[angrychair]

36. So, to be clear

It appears you are saying anyone that anyone that supports Gaza not being bombed into oblivion, supports rape? As a rape survivor I find that incredibly offensive

[Ace Rothstein]

37. Of course not.

But when I see a bunch of protestors in this situation and they don't chase that woman off then I assume they support her message.

[angrychair]

41. It's a post on Reddit

If no one called it out I doubt 99% of people would even know it existed.

Also it's a image, a post, a statement of some kind, being posted with zero context. Meaning you have no idea if that person is actually part of a people genuinely protesting or just chaos agents stirring up trouble on the Internet. Hell, for all we know know it could be an AI generated image or even sound bite.

Absolutely not saying it's not a horrible comment but to imply because I don't want innocent women and children to be bombed into oblivion that makes me somehow the Internet police of every damn comment any 12 yr old makes in the Internet is ridiculous

[Mossfern]

61. Rape survivor here too

Except I'm Jewish.

That is NOT what anyone is saying!
I can't see how you see it that way.
Please explain.

[angrychair]

66. Multiple people

Here, including the person I was responding too stated that unless you are policing them you, by implication, must agree with them.
It's not my job to "police" every post by a random on the Internet.
Just because I'm not doing that doesn't mean I agree with them.
Reacting to every post on the Internet I don't agree with is a fruitless effort and completely pointless.

That doesn't mean I condone it or agree with them sure as hell doesn't mean I think rape is ok.

[Mossfern]

67. Sorry, I didn't get that from the posts in this thread.

Did you speak against the comment?
I don't think anyone here has the power to police random comments on the internet, but they can speak against comments like that.
I'll go back and re-read the thread.

On edit: You did say that you would not deny that it's a horrible comment, but didn't speak out against the comment yourself.

BTW, just to be clear about what rape is...It's not about sex, it's about using sex as a tool for power, humiliation and control.

[angrychair]

69. Ok

You did say that you would not deny that it's a horrible comment, but didn't speak out against the comment yourself.

I saw the OP but didn't see the comment itself and don't care. I'm not engaging in a back and forth about who is more is more outraged by random Reddit posts. Maybe I'm a little more jaded that some but I'm just not going to post a response to every outrageous comment someone shares from the Internet. That is literally the point of why people do that is to specifically stir up shit, cause trouble and get views and shares on their posts. The more views a post gets the more visible it is on the site and the more attention it gets.

At least on most social media platforms, including this one, the more a post is ignored the faster it fades from view to never be seen again.

Also, I know what rape is: I was repeatedly raped by a babysitter at 7 and they were in their 20s and repeatedly raped by a neighbor (I was 10, they were 17). Completely independent of each other. I don't need anyone to explain how it works. I lived it.

[Mossfern]

71. I'm confused.

If you saw the OP and made other comments, why didn't you comment on what the OP was presenting? It was exposing a despicable antisemitic remark. It has nothing to do with Gaza.

[angrychair]

73. I answered that

I'm commenting on people making sweeping generalizations and proving the point that just because I don't address every single OP about how awful a comment on Reddit (or Facebook or wherever) I still think it's horrible and gross.
Trolls saying horrible shit on the Internet is not noteworthy.
Democrats that think just because a person doesn't call out every asshole on the Internet they must agree with them is much more concerning.

[Demsrule86]

15. That is an ugly comment personally, I would expell her is she were a student and kick her out

if she is not. Disgusting and despicable.

[Coventina]

19. Silence means approval. n/t

[sir pball]

29. If nine people are seated for dinner...

…with one Nazi, you have a table of ten Nazis.

Protests are fine, this shit ain't. Police yourselves.

[angrychair]

38. So because I

Support an end to the bombing and IDF being held accountable for any war crimes they committed, I am, by extension, also responsible for every single thing said anywhere in the world, on any platform?

I mean reddit is rather obscure platform but I'm responsible for "policing" every single post made there?

[TheProle]

42. "reddit is rather obscure platform..."

heh

Reddit has 73.1 million daily active users. Reddit has 267.5 million weekly active users. There are more than 100,000 active subreddits on the platform. Reddit registered $804.03 million in annual revenue in 2023.

[angrychair]

43. That's worldwide

I've been in the computer industry for over 30+ yrs and I just heard about about 4 yrs ago.

Go ask a rando on the street if they know what Reddit is and I would suspect that 4 out of every 5 would have no idea what it is.

That being said you response does nothing to answer the point I was actually making

[TheProle]

45. Yeah it does

You were attempting to minimize the outrage with the "one pic on an obscure site" bs.

So to amend my numbers upthread to reflect only US:

Reddit has 73.1~ 35m million daily active users. Reddit has 267.5 ~131 million weekly active users.

It's definitely relevant to American political culture and just went public last month.

FWIW, I've been in tech for 25 years and have known about Reddit since 2006, so it's 50/50 with our sample size of 2 old techies.

[angrychair]

48. If you're a techie

You know the concept of "policing" a random post on a random platform is the equivalent of trying to bail water out of a sinking cruise liner with a Dixie cup. It's insane. Which is my point.
I'm no more policing what some rando post on Reddit than I do here. I'm here on DU every single day but I suspect I only see 10% of the post on here on any given day.

[TheProle]

49. No one is expecting you to police anything, my friend.

The only reason we are having this exchange is that you called the 18th most visited site on the internet "obscure."

It's okay; you made a rhetorical blunder. It happens.

[kcr]

56. I would not brag

about "being in the computer industry" and not knowing what Reddit is. Yikes.

[angrychair]

63. Reddit has absolutely nothing

To do with my work or personal life or with any of the companies I've worked for. I have not ever worked with a company that had any presence on Reddit.

Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram and even Slack but never Reddit.

[yardwork]

70. You hadn't heard of Reddit until recently?

Really?

[sir pball]

47. Sorry, I guess I wasn't straightforward enough

If you're at an event, be it a dinner party or a protest, that turns anti-Semitic, be it Nazis or Hamas supporters (not that most protestors are terror sympathizers), and you don't leave immediately, regardless of your beliefs…you are also an anti-Semite. It has nothing to do with general ideology but rather immediate circumstances and actions.

[In Too Deep]

68. Are you attending these hate-protests? If so, yes, you're condoning the actions.

I don't understand how hard it is to take accountability for your own actions. If you're out there attending these mass-protests, where speakers are chanting, "from the river to the sea" and "burn Tel Aviv to the ground", you're making yourself complicit by association. If you're fine insulating yourself with those types of actors, it's only logical to believe you agree with them.

It's not about opposing Israel's actions. It's about the many who continue to attend these rallies despite the overwhelming antisemitism - whether UCLA students refusing to let a Jewish student pass through, or the blatant chants about Israel not existing or Khymani James, who led the Columbia encampments, saying Zionists should be killed.

In 2002 and early 2003, I attended some Iraq War protests. I didn't know much about who had organized them at first but eventually I found out that the people behind the protests were Lyndon LaRouche supporters and they were using the protests to peddle a lot of bigotry. The second I realized these protests were associated with LaRouche, I stopped going. I didn't want to associate with those people. I took accountability.

It didn't mean I wasn't against the war anymore - it just I was not going to aid and sympathize with organizers who were bigots.

If you associate with antisemites, don't be surprised if you're called an antisemite.

[Mossfern]

4. My experience differs

What a horrible thing to say.
Did she post a photo of herself?

[Jedi Guy]

6. Trashy person says trashy thing, film at 11. N/T

[Behind the Aegis]

7. Not at all surprised

[sheshe2]

60. That is a disgusting comment.

Especially coming from a woman. I have no words left.

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. Broad brush against all protestors?

Guilt by association?

[TheProle]

13. Is it?

[Coventina]

20. Silence means approval. n/t

[JI7]

23. THIS, during protests on what happened to George Floyd

we saw protestors and organizers speak against violence and even many clips of them stopping those who were getting violent and hateful.

We aren't seeing that now. We see defense of the shit behavior.

[Mossfern]

10. ..... but it's all about Gaza

right?

Honestly, I was around to protest in the 60's and 70's and crap like this never was part of the rhetoric then. Maybe calling cops "pigs" but nothing so hateful as this.

How does that comment help her cause?
She's merely using the protests as a vehicle of hate.

[Demsrule86]

26. I have to disagree with that...I remember soldiers were treated like crap. They were

called baby-killers, and sneered out...beat up in bars. I remember being in college in the 80's and there was a Vietnam vet...there was a loud noise. He dived under his chair. The kids thought that was hilarious. My Dad and Mom were Navy...I was truly sickened.

[Mossfern]

51. Perhaps it was geographic?

I lived in NYC. It was my friends and family that were drafted, we felt great sympathy for them. But then again there were the protesters back then that walked around carrying Mao's Little Red Book.
They were the fringe. Most of the anti-war people I knew also had friends and family that had been drafted.

Yes, soldiers in all wars can suffer from PTSD. My uncle came back from the Pacific Rim (WWII) with "Shell Shock." Same thing.

[Takket]

12. i'll say this, if the goal of this "pro-pal" protestor is to turn everyone against Palestineans, she is doing a great

job of it.

[Demsrule86]

21. I agree. I had way more sympathy until this shit started. I still say a two state solution is

needed. These protests do nothing to further that goal. A bunch of kids are going to get kicked out of school. Those who took hostages are likely to be charged with kidnapping. Some will be charged with other crimes. They have essentially ruined their lives and for what...a big nothing. They are not helping the situation.

[Omnipresent]

16. Has she ever seen Gal Gadot?

That woman seems to be blind with rage.

[blm]

62. Hedy Lamarr, brilliant/beautiful. This horrid person denigrates ALL women

of all nations, of all conditions, with her inhumane comment.

[BlueTsunami2018]

17. Simmer down, there are "very fine" people on both sides, right?

This is what kills me about people supporting these Hamas loving jerk offs. Remember Charlottesville? If you are on the same side as these antisemite pieces of shit, the people chanting “Death to America” and “Genocide Joe” you are them. There are no “good” people mixed in with that crowd when they allow this kind of thing to go on. If you aren’t forcefully removing them and disassociating with them, you are them.

You can’t be mad at people who mix with Nazis at a white supremacist rally and say they’re all the same and pick and choose the allegedly good people who mix with these “River to the sea” assholes.

I don’t make the rules but those are the rules.

[Lunabell]

18. That is very disturbing. Especially coming from a woman.

Disgusting.

[irisblue]

22. Her statement made my gut twist

[PCIntern]

24. Jill St.John

And millions of others…

[iemanja]

25. Disgusting

[keithbvadu2]

27. Not too ugly according to Muslim warriors on Oct 07.

[Cha]

64. Terrorists.

[JohnSJ]

28. Go to hell you anti Jewish POS

https://www.democraticunderground.com/122315193

[sarisataka]

30. Where are those who say they haven't seen any antisemitism

just direct them to this

[Think. Again.]

31. Probably just more...

...provocateur nonsense from one side or the other to stir up the masses on one side or the other.

Apparently it's very effective.

[sarisataka]

32. Look more provocateurs

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218909503

Just think what could have happened if they allowed him to go to class

[Think. Again.]

44. I'm not on reddit so I can't see your post but yes, you're probably right...

...any unnamed troublemakers conveniently filmed and posted rather than having authorities called on them could well be provocateurs, agitators, or just plain nutjobs attracted to all the attention around these protests.

[sarisataka]

46. Funny, I am not a reddit person but never have any trouble seeing videos unless they are flagged for adult content

In short, a Jewish student, he shows his ID to a campus security guard who confirms it, wants to enter campus to go to his class. protesters stand shoulder to shoulder to block him. As he tries to slide through or around, more protesters join them to block his entry.

The excuse every antisemitic action is caused by provocateurs or paid agents is getting pretty thin.

[Think. Again.]

52. This reddit video is open to non-members though...

https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1cetw4r/to_claim_to_the_cops_that_student_protestors_were/

[sarisataka]

54. I saw that

and many people rightfully said she should be arrested making a false report

[Think. Again.]

55. Absolutely.

As I mentioned, I think that along with all the intentional agitators, there are probably quite a few plain old nutjobs.

[TheProle]

50. Yeah if you watch the video, her mask slips and you can see it's obviously Putin.

[Srkdqltr]

33. How disgustingly stupid

[mzmolly]

35. I'd bet that woman is more pro-Trump than

anything.

[elias7]

39. Pure evil, THAT IS ALL

This gives me malaise…

[tritsofme]

58. Thank you for being pellucidly clear! Nothing justifies this!

[elias7]

72. Just figured it may have been missed...

[dlk]

57. Projecting and speaking for herself

Racist, sexist women are the worst.

[tritsofme]

59. Unfortunately, I get the impression she is speaking for many of her fellow travelers.