Protestors block Jewish students from entering UCLA

[Sympthsical]

Just wanted to toss this one out there for the people who are forever "not seeing any antisemitism" or think "It's all outside agitators!"

There are these people, and there are the people who make excuses for them.

This is illiberalism.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/1cgt422/jewish_ucla_student_blocked_from_entering_his_own/

[Coventina]

1. Cowards, hiding behind masks and scarves.

[whathehell]

2. That's messed up..

..no question.

[exboyfil]

3. Unlawful obstruction of free movement of person on street, sidewalk, or other public place

[ShazzieB]

46. Illegal as hell!

[sarisataka]

4. To turn a blind eye is to accept

[tritsofme]

5. Yea but...why did they have to terrorize those poor victimized protestors with their Jewishness?

That is violence!

[Cha]

6. I can't see it.. Reddit Blocs me.

TY anyway.

[ShazzieB]

53. Let's see if this works.

UPDATE: I found a YouTube link! (I'll leave the other one up, in case it's useful to anyone.)

https://youtube.com/shorts/lqhsIgpTCqA?si=PpYIqPyw4slueevY

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This is also a reddit link, but it goes directly to the video rather than the reddit thread. I can't promise anything, but try it and see what happens.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cglw8f/jewish_ucla_student_blocked_from_entering_his_own/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[Cha]

56. TY for answering my call ShazzieB!

I’ll check it out when I get home.

[ShazzieB]

58. My pleasure!

I'll warn you, it's really infuriating! If this is what's going on at other college campuses, I don't blame the administration one bit for calling the cops on the little shits!

[Cha]

66. Mahalo!! I'm about to pass iton to someone else

in this thread, too!

https://youtube.com/shorts/lqhsIgpTCqA?si=PpYIqPyw4slueevY

[ShazzieB]

76. YAY!!!

Enjoy!

[Cha]

77. That's adorable and the Vid has been

invaluable!

Aloha!💙

[sop]

7. Why don't these students protest at the Israel Consulate in Los Angeles?

[JohnSJ]

8. Because they are showing their true colors, anti-Jewish

[Cha]

36. Hi John.. are there any other sources?

I can’t see anything on reddit?

TY 🕯️🕊️🌊

[JohnSJ]

63. I don't know Cha, I am just taking the Op's report

[Cha]

65. Here it is, John.. on youtube.. ShazzieB gavei it to me!

https://youtube.com/shorts/lqhsIgpTCqA?si=PpYIqPyw4slueevY



Love the Jewish Student!💕

[JohnSJ]

67. +++

[wnylib]

73. Yes, he handled it beautifully. But never should have had to.

[Cha]

74. No he shouldn't have had to.. someone on

another thread wondered why he didn't go around to another entrance.

He should be able to go where he wants to go.

[Hekate]

20. Because their fellow students are unguarded and vulnerable, unlike the Israeli Consulate...

Which is very guarded, believe me.

[paleotn]

40. Bingo.

[budkin]

9. NOT OK.

NOT FUCKING OK.

[Earthrise]

10. In my opinion, lowering the temperature - when appropriate - may help *everyone*

It seems that he wanted to use a particular entrance that he could only reach by passing through the area the protesters were asked to use.

College buildings have multiple entrances and exits, so other entrances must have been available that he could have entered without crossing through the space protesters were asked to use. We don't know how large or small an area the protesters were given or whether other entrances were actually closer to, the same distance, or farther away from where they were standing. We don't have the full story.

The protesters in the video didn't do anything—verbally or physically—that suggested hatred toward anyone. In this particular video, the protesters were all women who expressed no hatred, and the people who wanted to cross through the area were both men who pushed past the women who initially tried to block them but then backed away.

I am sickened by threats and hateful statements from some protestors (e.g., go back to Poland). I believe they should be suspended and arrested. The leaders of protests must have control of "their people" so that if anyone is verbally or physically aggressive, they immediately tell them to leave and/or call campus or city police - and they are failing at this.

I apologize in advance to anyone who sees any part of this post as offensive. In grad school, I had two friends - J and S - who I think of often. J was an amazing observant Jewish woman who spent summers on a kibbutz in Isreal, loved the country deeply, and hoped to live, work, and raise her family there. S's parents emigrated to the U.S. from Palestine in 1948 - they still had the mortgages to the house and orchards they owned before they fled. When J and S discussed these issues, I just listened. Both were extremely knowledgeable, sometimes disagreed, but - more often than not - worked hard to see each other's perspective. J didn't support the position that the Arab population must be reduced or removed, and S didn't support the idea that Jewish Israelis should lose any of their land or homes or live in fear. They both believed that the goal was safety, peace, and the well-being of *ALL* and that, to get there, everyone would have to sacrifice and that it would take several generations of effort on everyone's part to rebuild trust.

[sarisataka]

11. Simple question-

Would you tell a POC being blocked similarly by white supremacists to just use a different entrance?

[Earthrise]

13. A WS blocking a POC would be an act of aggression - same as an anti-Semite blocking a Jewish person, so no.

If the primary purpose of the WS or anti-Semite is to harm other people, that's an act of aggression and unacceptable - period. In most cases, not allowing a person - any person - to go where others can go in safety is aggression.

If the university told the protesters they must stay in a marked-off section of a plaza or patch of grass, AND they are peacefully protesting for a cease-fire or a vast improvement in food and medicine for civilians, then they aren't there for the purpose of harming anyone. In this case, I think anyone not participating in the protest can walk around the designated area. The university's job is to set up an area that does not burden other students who aren't participating.

Student representatives of "Jewish Voice for Peace" are on multiple campuses. I've followed JVP for years, and I haven't seen anything from them that is anti-Semitic. They are against the policies and actions of Netanyahu and extreme right members of the government. They're anti-building developments in the West Bank. They're anti-Settler violence. They are not anti-Semitic.

[Coventina]

14. They are actively blocking him - that is AGGRESSION!

They could have ignored him walking by, but they didn't.

You are making excuses for them.

[Earthrise]

22. I am sorry for any pain I've caused. I'm not directly affected by

the ongoing situation. Even though I try to empathize with people who are directly affected, I know I can't fully understand the trauma carried by children and grandchildren of Holocaust survivors or recognize the level of fear they're experiencing now.

I know that it's been extremely rare for me to say anything critical of Israel - ever - because saying anything that critical of Netanyahu or the Knesset could be judged as forgetting or excusing the Holocaust.

I was encouraged when huge numbers of Jewish Israelis protested the law that limits the judiciary's ability to review government decisions. I don't hold any positions that aren't held by millions of Jewish people—they appear in JVP articles and Haaretz. (Note: I only occasionally read JVP and Haaretz. I'm not claiming more than that.)

I hope much wiser people will find a solution so everyone is safe. I don't think Israeli families should have to build safe rooms in their homes where they can hide from terrorists or have to hear report after report of a bomb exploding in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem or ever, ever, ever experience anything like October 7 again - all the violence has got to stop.

[TBF]

29. Well the hard part is stopping terrorists - it's not like they are amenable to stopping.

And it's especially frustrating to watch the students on these campuses decide that to support innocent Palestinian people they must be on the side of the terrorists. This is so messed up. I feel like many of them have been dragged into a conflict that they really don't understand.

[Earthrise]

59. Yes.

[sarisataka]

16. And that's where we see it differently

The person being blocked is a student, not a member of the IDF or Mossad. He has every right to traverse the campus as he chooses. The protesters do not have exclusive use of the assigned protest area. I will be my next ten paychecks if he was not wearing a Star of David he could have walked through without hinderance.

In my eyes, prohibiting a Jew from walking across the campus of his school is no different than telling a POC they cannot enter through the front door.

I know little about JVP but just because they are not antisemitic does not mean all of the protesters are antisemitic. Do you know if those blocking access were JVP members or is that just something unrelated?

[Earthrise]

60. I know of no evidence that suggests a connection between JVP and this incident - unrelated.

[Cha]

78. That ".. Use a Different Entrance.. " Doesn't Work.. The

Jewish Students have a Right to use any damn Entrance They want to.

The Blockers don't get to make the rules for them.

Link to tweet

[Sympthsical]

12. You're just excusing the behavior

You're doing it very politely, but you're still excusing it.

Just because they're not screaming at the other students while taking their actions doesn't make it more excusable.

It's just difficult for me to see the explaining away of this stuff. I consider myself a progressive and am in a party where if you post the very famous Little Rock Nine picture (black woman entering college and being yelled at by hateful whites), people instantly get it. Instantly. You don't have to say a word. We instantly know how wrong it is.

But with what Jews are dealing with on campuses right now, as we speak, everyone's looking out for mitigating circumstances, explanations, alternatives for the Jews to use.

This is completely out of pocket to me. I see people who I typically consider political allies utterly losing their way on a very simple issue.

If principles can be discarded whenever ideological or political need requires, then they're not principles to begin with. It's like watching those people, "As a Christian," to signal their righteous moral high ground right before something extremely hateful and fucked up is about to come flying out of their mouths.

I see it as very little different.

[Earthrise]

15. I respect your perspective and I appreciate your thoughtful response.

A dear friend has two college-aged children - one in LA and the other at a college in the East. I know these kids from when they were little, and I am worried about their well-being - physically and emotionally - even though they say they're okay at their campuses.

I don't believe I am excusing hateful words or behavior. The response I posted in a different location in this thread:

A WS blocking a POC would be an act of aggression - same as an anti-Semite blocking a Jewish person, so [I am not excusing hate.]

If the primary purpose of the WS or anti-Semite is to harm other people, that's an act of aggression and unacceptable - period. In most cases, not allowing a person - any person - to go where others can go in safety is aggression.

If the university told the protesters they must stay in a marked-off section of a plaza or patch of grass, AND they are peacefully protesting for a cease-fire or a vast improvement in food and medicine for civilians, then they aren't there for the purpose of harming anyone. In this case, I think anyone not participating in the protest can walk around the designated area. The university's job is to set up an area that does not burden other students who aren't participating.

Student representatives of "Jewish Voice for Peace" are on multiple campuses. I've followed JVP for years, and I haven't seen anything from them that is anti-Semitic. They are against the policies and actions of Netanyahu and extreme right members of the government. They're anti-building developments in the West Bank. They're anti-Settler violence. They are not anti-Semitic.

[Sympthsical]

17. Obstructing someone from their education is a harm

That's why I used the Little Rock Nine in my response. They're attempting to dictate to others what they have a right to do, places they have a right to access.

That is not protesting. That is authoritarian bullying. That is letting others know, "I will exert control over you."

It's very strange, and I'm having difficulty understanding why you don't perceive how wrong it is, for someone to say, "Can't the Jews just go around?" Like, where's the disconnect? If you saw white people intimidating black people, I don't think anyone would be saying, "Can't the blacks just go around?"

It genuinely baffles me people don't perceive it. To quote Colleen Donaghy in 30 Rock. "I can hear you. I just want to make sure you can hear you."

(I consider JVP very little different from Log Cabin Republicans based on many of the things I've seen said by members of that organization. I'm sorry. Bringing them up, for me, is like watching LCRs explain they can't be homophobic as they excuse the homophobia they choose to associate themselves with.

It also really doesn't help when JVP is almost primarily invoked in response to the antisemitic behavior of others. It's almost like their sole purpose is to run cover for racism. I know that's not their sole purpose - I'm sure there are some earnest types in there. But when I see JVP brought up, I instantly start scanning around for the antisemitism that's being minimized. It's almost always in the mix.)

[Earthrise]

27. I appreciate your reply. I believe I've expressed my thoughts respectfully

and clarified my belief that anti-Semitism is never acceptable. I've noted the usernames of people who've taken issue with what I've said here, and I'll read their posts anytime I notice them to better understand their experiences.

[tritsofme]

24. I'm sure a "thoughtful" WS could supply you with a similar pretense to excuse their hateful intimidation of POC students

In the exact same situation.

These folks are actively being aggressive against the Jewish students, and hiding behind their supposed cause.

It is painfully obvious, unless you refuse to see it. They certainly aren’t fooling me.

[radical noodle]

37. You might want to read this about the Jewish Voice for Peace

Good name for sure and on the face of it, I would agree... but the ADL has some examples of what they've done that makes me question them.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/jewish-voice-peace

[Earthrise]

55. I respect the ADL and I'm grateful for their work bringing anti-Semitic incidents to light.

I read the article and - to me - it reflects the incredible complexity of the issues.

This statement from JVP is ignorant, offensive bullshit that should be condemned by all… “the source of all this violence” was “Israeli apartheid and occupation.” There are other statements in the article that are equally bad.

This is, I think, not entirely wrong - “negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians are impossible as long as a power imbalance exists between the two parties.” Hamas can’t be one of the two parties.

This, I think is right - “Many of JVP’s Jewish activists say they are motivated by the age-old Jewish ideals of supporting the oppressed and making the world a better place. In the vast majority of cases, there is no reason to doubt their sincerity. ”

I appreciate ADL’s perspective that early on JVP was more balanced, but has become more one-sided over time; and that some leaders have have taken increasingly one-sided views while the vast majority of members are sincere.

Thanks for sharing the article, I’ll try to pay more attention to JVP’ers with extreme positions.

[TheKentuckian]

62. Log Cabin Republicans and Candace Owens have writings as well.

[radical noodle]

70. And... ?

[TheKentuckian]

71. Ask Clarence.

[Hekate]

64. Thank you for this, Sympthsical

[madaboutharry]

19. Would you also have the opinion

that if Rosa Parks had just sat in the back of the bus like she was told that she could have avoided the whole commotion?

[paleotn]

45. She just needs to chill I guess.

[Cha]

80. Brilliant comparison. These Jewish Students do Not

have to do what they are told by those blockers. And why should they?

They're there to get an Education not be bossed around by campers/barricaders.

[Hekate]

21. Do you have any idea just how enormous UCLA is?

[Earthrise]

25. If the protesters are blocking *ALL* students who not participating in the protest -

or specifically interested in talking to people who are - then what they are doing isn't anti-Semitic.

I attended a different UC campus. It was ~3 times the size of UCLA.

[Hekate]

34. So you don't know. Thank you

[Lucky Luciano]

44. I went to grad school at UCLA. There are over 40k students.

What campus it triple the size?

[Earthrise]

57. I took the DU'ers comment about the size of UCLA as physical size - how spread

out the campus is and the likelihood that walking around the protest area would be a minor annoyance or a burden.

I possibly misunderstood their point and my comment wasn’t relevant. If so, my bad.

UCLA has a more compact campus but more enrolled students than UC Berkeley.

My point in commenting on the video is that it doesn’t provide enough information for us to know what’s happening.

[paleotn]

43. Why not use the other bathroom and not cause a scene?

Why not sit in the back of the bus and not cause a scene?

Why not use the other water fountain and not cause a scene?

Why not sit in your "own" section of the restaurant and not cause a scene?

Why not go to your "own" school and not cause a scene?

Do you see a problem there?

Why can't the protesters grasp the idea that a Jewish student in LA probably doesn't have a lot of say or any culpability in what Bibi Netanyahoo and his merry band of religious zealots are up to. They can't because they don't want to. I can think of lots of reasons why.

[yardwork]

69. Wait, what. The Jewish students should use the back door?

[Chautauquas]

18. Terrible

No excuse for what they're doing in that video. Besides being wrong, it accomplishes nothing.

[Oopsie Daisy]

23. It won't be long before the National Guard is called out *

* this won't end well.

[Jedi Guy]

33. "this won't end well."

I'm finding it more and more difficult to give a damn what happens to these morons. Every day they fuck around, so it follows logically that they eventually need to find out.

[Oopsie Daisy]

42. I understand completely.

[AllyCat]

26. Yeah, this sucks. This kind of racist behavior is appalling.

I don’t like BiBi. I don’t like Hamas.

But these “protesters” are disrupters. They have lost their way.

[TBF]

30. That's how I feel as well. nt

[Jedi Guy]

28. They're going to do this to the wrong person at some point, and that person is going to hand out an ass-whooping. N/T

[CincyDem]

41. Yes - and I'm sure some would label that person "uppity" because, ya know, he coulda just used another entrance.

[58Sunliner]

31. Yes it is.

[SunSeeker]

32. Disgusting. They should be arrested for assault on that Jewish student.

Where are the campus police?

[AZLD4Candidate]

35. These are anti-Jewish bigots masking their anti-Semitism with political language and using the Palestinians as cover.

[paleotn]

38. Some don't see it because they don't want to see it.

They have a very simplistic, unrealistic view of the world that works for them and want to keep it that way. It's not terribly unlike what we see on the other end of the political spectrum.

[Richard D]

39. My niece . . .

. . . and her partner both left their UC campus because they felt in danger there. They will move to Israel to continue their education.

Many of the protestors are pro-Hamas. Oct 7 weighs very real on many Jews. We recognize that it can happen here.

[TomDaisy]

47. everyone who protests Genocide is not an anti-semite

please realize no matter how many times you try that, it's going to fail.

[BWdem4life]

48. How is blocking students from their classes based on being Jewish a valid protest?

Most American Jews do not support the genocide in Gaza, and the protestors do not even ask the Jewish students whether or not they support it before blocking them. This is not just illegal, but stupid. Would they block Bernie Sanders? He should go there and see.

[ripcord]

49. In this case their actions speak for themselves

[Cha]

51. The Distraction from this OP is Not

Working.

These Protesters blocking Jewish Students are ugly Anti Semites.

🕯️🕊️🇮🇱💙

[Silent3]

61. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that

I think the qualification that's being made is that not all of the protesters are like the particular protesters who are blocking Jewish students.

Somewhere in the mix there are apparently some Jewish students protesting Israel's actions in Gaza, although at this point maybe those people have been scared off by the worst of the crowd.

It does seem the most hateful and antisemitic people are the ones most motivated to turn out, and who are making the biggest impression.

[tritsofme]

52. No, but plenty of these Hamas sympathizers in attendance certainly are, in fact they seem to wear it as a badge of honor

I don’t understanding the making of excuses for these folks, they are not shy about telling us who they are.

[EllieBC]

54. Can you tell me how harassing Jewish students

has anything to do with the ME and how targeting Jewish students isn’t antisemitism?

[Mossfern]

68. There is no genocide being carried out.

It's called "war" and that means that innocent people die.
If Hamas would release the hostages alive and dead and surrender, no more Gazans would die.

If you want to claim genocide, then blame Hamas.

[mcar]

50. It has never been about Palestine

It's always been about hating Jews and supporting terrorism.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

72. Knee-Jerk Reactions Don't Help!

There are too many loose threads:
1) Who were the "protesters?" Students? Faculty? Outsiders? Some combination thereof?
2) Who were the "Jews blocked from entering?" Students? Faculty? Outsiders? Some combination thereof?
3) Where were the campus police? Waiting for orders? Waiting for the cameras to stop rolling? What?
4) How did said "protesters" identify those seeking admission as "Jews?"
5) Who is "KingMob9" doing the Reddit post? Is s/he a registered Republican? Democrat? Peace & Freedom? Other? S/he is obviously not a journalist, or s/he would want credit.
6) Is "KingMob9" the dude in the blue t-shirt who seems to be inciting?
7) Did "KingMob9" stage the whole thing with fake protesters and whatever the others are? Kinda looks cheesy to me.
8) Was Donald Segretti anywhere nearby?
And those are just the first few questions off the top of my head. There are probably more, but why waste my time? Point is, until you know more about the situation and context, it's just bait. But you all sure swallowed it; hook, line and sinker. Unless of course you're all-in for Netanyahu (I don't see anyone all-in on Hamas in the reactions), in which case truth doesn't matter.

[AloeVera]

75. I have something to say, contrary to popular opinion here.

This outrage and accusations of anti-semitism against the protesters are just plain wrong. The outrage against humanity, decency is happening in Gaza.

This student, Eli Tsives, a StandWithUs Leventhal Internship alum, is a well-known figure on the student encampment. Other students have claimed that he regularly antagonizes, insults and taunts the protesters for hours. There are three more videos of him I could find, one of him attempting to gain access at another location and pushing at the protesters, telling them "you can kiss your jobs goodbye, this is going to go viral on social media". Another one of him taunting a professor, wearing an IDF T-shirt and using the Israeli flag like a matador while mocking and laughing at her - in the middle of the encampment where no one is harassing or stopping him. The third one is a rather rousing speech at a counter-protest directly across from the encampment. He is being hailed as a hero and a star on social media.

In the video in the O/P, he later stated that he got to his class but he was made to take a different entrance!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

As I've said, there are provocateurs on both sides, trying to inflame and incite and use the protest for their own agendas.

This is not a demonstration of anti-semitism. This is a bad faith performance pushing a narrative.

Meanwhile, over in Gaza, the people are suffering through hell on earth and children and students are actually torn to bits and all their universities are demolished. They have no way of ever getting back there, no alternate entrances they can take, their education forever lost. While here in the West we are instead focusing on imagined "threats" to Jewish students on campus, while centering our outrage on their feelings and on the purported "anti-semitism" of the students and their cause.

The students see through our hyprocrisy to the real truth of the matter. This is why they are attacked and demonized.

[Sugarcoated]

79. That dude rocks

Thanks for sharing