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To all complaining about the new DU: (Original Post) TomSlick Oct 2023 OP
No, it isn't, but thanks for your input. I did change to Skinner mode, niyad Oct 2023 #1
Did you save? dpibel Oct 2023 #2
Of course I did. niyad Oct 2023 #5
I'm feeling more comfy with the "Skinner mode" option calimary Oct 2023 #11
Skinner mode looks almost exactly the same as the old DU TomSlick Oct 2023 #4
Yes, of course. niyad Oct 2023 #6
EarlG's post says: TomSlick Oct 2023 #9
DU3 had a lot of options that Skinner mode doesn't have. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #13
Your information is misleading. Only Star members can use skinner mode Wonder Why Oct 2023 #3
I see nothing in EarlG's post to say that. TomSlick Oct 2023 #7
I became Star already. But read the benefits. Wonder Why Oct 2023 #12
I'm a star member and it is grayed out for me Stinky The Clown Oct 2023 #8
EarlG's post says: TomSlick Oct 2023 #10
Set Large Fonts to No C_U_L8R Oct 2023 #15
I let my star membership lapse mistakenly. Till the check clears, its been painful. yonder Oct 2023 #18
I can use it just fine? Lancero Oct 2023 #24
TY Some things I like Some I don't. It will Cha Oct 2023 #14
I am barging into your thread to say that I can't start a discussion! senseandsensibility Oct 2023 #16
I don't see any change from the old system. TomSlick Oct 2023 #19
I did that many times senseandsensibility Oct 2023 #20
Stop being afraid of change. Plunge into it Emile Oct 2023 #17
I will happily dance... as long as the dance hall looks the same DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #22
Yes, I was very glad to find out about "Skinner Mode".... DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #21
I'm OK with the changes. IzzaNuDay Oct 2023 #23
Change NowISeetheLight Oct 2023 #25
Skinner Mode is fine. rickford66 Oct 2023 #26
No it does not. It is now a hybrid of both. I miss the left column where all the groups were listed question everything Oct 2023 #27
I will give it a chance sadasfyed Oct 2023 #28
I'm already impressed. TomSlick Oct 2023 #29
Do tell, what does the changing of a website have to do with being a "progressive" ? Abolishinist Oct 2023 #30
Conservatives don't want things to change. TomSlick Oct 2023 #33
It looks more like change for the sake of change. ancianita Oct 2023 #39
Um...what is Skinner mode? I never heard of it. Pathwalker Oct 2023 #31
See Pro Tips in EarlG's Welcome Back post. TomSlick Oct 2023 #34
Change Bad! Won't Learn! Can't Make Me! Arthur_Frain Oct 2023 #32
I understand the problem TomSlick Oct 2023 #35
I do too. Arthur_Frain Oct 2023 #40
Software developers are like male dogs lapfog_1 Oct 2023 #36
What's a UI? And why would you assume DU would sign up to use AI, anyway. ancianita Oct 2023 #38
UI or User Interface lapfog_1 Oct 2023 #41
Oh, yeah. Thanks. Forgot. I do know GUI, just didn't know there's a shorter version. ancianita Oct 2023 #43
User interface. Mosby Oct 2023 #42
Did that immediately. It's not as easy-peezy as you say. ancianita Oct 2023 #37
Hopefully the new look and feel will appeal to younger Dems SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2023 #44

niyad

(115,985 posts)
1. No, it isn't, but thanks for your input. I did change to Skinner mode,
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 08:58 PM
Oct 2023

and nothing happened, nothing changed.

dpibel

(3,009 posts)
2. Did you save?
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:01 PM
Oct 2023

I had the same experience. Then I scrolled down and found a "save settings" (or something like that) button.

Can't say that I found Skinner Mode to be remarkably more familiar. Same colors, I guess. But other than that, pretty foreign.

calimary

(82,526 posts)
11. I'm feeling more comfy with the "Skinner mode" option
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:07 PM
Oct 2023

and it’s a little less challenging to navigate. It’s a good option. I’m glad to have it. Thanks EarlG and friends! I’m sure it was a whale of an undertaking!

TomSlick

(11,267 posts)
9. EarlG's post says:
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:06 PM
Oct 2023

If you run into problems or have any questions, please use the DU Community Help forum, which can now be found via Navigate > Help & Search.

NutmegYankee

(16,267 posts)
13. DU3 had a lot of options that Skinner mode doesn't have.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:09 PM
Oct 2023

For instance, i used the entire screen:




Now, on the good side, EarlG has said an option to turn off the left sidebar is on the list for future mods. I'd love that with night mode.

TomSlick

(11,267 posts)
7. I see nothing in EarlG's post to say that.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:04 PM
Oct 2023

You know that you contribute what you want for Star membership - right?

TomSlick

(11,267 posts)
10. EarlG's post says:
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:07 PM
Oct 2023

If you run into problems or have any questions, please use the DU Community Help forum, which can now be found via Navigate > Help & Search.

yonder

(9,756 posts)
18. I let my star membership lapse mistakenly. Till the check clears, its been painful.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:16 PM
Oct 2023

The grayed out button for Skinner mode was a different shade than the others and allowed me to select it. That mode was working for me at least for a little while.

senseandsensibility

(18,280 posts)
16. I am barging into your thread to say that I can't start a discussion!
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:15 PM
Oct 2023

Everything else is okay, but when I click start a discussion I get an empty white box with no text at all. Obviously, I can reply and rec, but not start a discussion. I've tried several times.

DemocraticPatriot

(5,357 posts)
21. Yes, I was very glad to find out about "Skinner Mode"....
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:29 PM
Oct 2023

My opposition to the change was 100% about the radical change in appearance of the forum.
Since there was a way around that, it looks like 'the good ole days' to me...

Any minor changes in navigation are not bothering me... as long as it "looks right". LOL

Of course, reportedly you do have to be a 'Star Member' to be able to take advantage of that.

To become a 'Star Member', you only need to make one annual donation, and there is no minimum amount.

Credit card, debit card, Paypal-- and I believe you can even send a check by US mail, if you have no other option...




IzzaNuDay

(402 posts)
23. I'm OK with the changes.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:42 PM
Oct 2023

I’m used to dealing with software changes and to say the least, this will be an adventure!😄

NowISeetheLight

(3,949 posts)
25. Change
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:46 PM
Oct 2023

Change takes time. I had checked out the Beta earlier so I was kind of ready. Still logging in tonight I was like "WTH". I found skinner mode and am using it for now. I figure I'll do a slow roll out the next week or so and it'll be fine.

rickford66

(5,563 posts)
26. Skinner Mode is fine.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:57 PM
Oct 2023

The new DU4 is a bit too slick like the rest of the internet. I liked the simpler layout before. I know the guys put a lot of work into this as I've done S/W for 50+ years. On another note, I hate all the new updates to the regular browsers I use. Grrrr.

I had to browse Raw Story today while DU was off the air. How awful.

TomSlick

(11,267 posts)
29. I'm already impressed.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:33 PM
Oct 2023

We're all progressives. We should embrace progress.

It takes a bit to get used to any computer program upgrade. Hang it there.

Abolishinist

(1,469 posts)
30. Do tell, what does the changing of a website have to do with being a "progressive" ?
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:38 PM
Oct 2023

Progressivism holds that it is possible to improve human societies through political reform. As a political movement, progressivism seeks to advance the human condition through social reform based on purported advancements in science, technology, economic development, and social organization.

TomSlick

(11,267 posts)
33. Conservatives don't want things to change.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:15 PM
Oct 2023

Reactionaries want things to return to an imagined status quo ante. Progressives want things to improve, i.e. progress.

The Wikipedia article you quote, without citation, footnotes to the Oxford Living Dictionary for the definition from Oxford Living Dictionary. The definition in Merriam Webster is more general:

1 a: of, relating to, or characterized by progress
b: making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/progressive

ancianita

(37,032 posts)
39. It looks more like change for the sake of change.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:33 PM
Oct 2023

Progressives go for upgrades that are more efficient, therefore, productive improvements.

Pathwalker

(6,601 posts)
31. Um...what is Skinner mode? I never heard of it.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:42 PM
Oct 2023

So far, I'm not minding the upgrade & Ireally like the larger font.
Thanks in advance,

Arthur_Frain

(1,901 posts)
32. Change Bad! Won't Learn! Can't Make Me!
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:45 PM
Oct 2023

Argle-Bargle!

Call the Whaa-ambulance for these people.

Man between the changeover and the Palestinian/Israeli issue this place is turning into a cesspool.

Arthur_Frain

(1,901 posts)
40. I do too.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:39 PM
Oct 2023

Either way it’s a tyranny of the majority.

But life is all about change. Just like we want to drag the conservatives kicking and screaming into the future, so we are going to drag some DUers kicking and screaming into DU4.

I’m not 100% sure it’s all that and a bag of chips, but it’s here. It will be refined eventually over time.

Who knows, DU4 2.0 might even let me post a new thread whilst on my phone. In the meantime, bitching to bloody blue heaven about it seems like a time that would be better spent poking around finding out how to do what I want to do here.

lapfog_1

(29,419 posts)
36. Software developers are like male dogs
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:23 PM
Oct 2023

every fire hydrant or light pole that "doesn't smell right" needs to be peed on.

Never mind that it is still a fire hydrant or light pole even after the new coating of pee.

Makes the software developer feel good about themselves, rarely improves the software.

I see a few things that are nicer with DU4 and a number of things I miss from the old ( in general I now have to navigate using sub-menus whereas before all I had to do was use the button on every page to directly take me to where I most often wanted to go ). UI are such a personal thing, there is no pleasing everyone. I will get used to DU4 ( I am not opposed to change ) but I dislike change for the sake of change. Just because a new dog is now walking around the neighborhood.

I've run software development groups for 45 years now, and have been through the "new hotness" stuff all the way from "C" and "Pascal" to "Python", with a lot of stops in between. Soon it will be AI that designs the UI we use... and, we may each have our OWN UI to DU... after all, the data behind the UI is pretty much the same... we can just ask the AI to provide it in a form that we each individually prefer. We will just tell the AI what we want to see, what posts are more relevant to our interests, what we want to navigate to, etc (whether the interface is keyboard/mouse or simply voice... or even brain waves)

lapfog_1

(29,419 posts)
41. UI or User Interface
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:41 PM
Oct 2023

for things like the web, often called a GUI or Graphical User Interface.

And DU will likely use AI... because AI is cheaper and more efficient than writing your own software.

For those afraid of AI... well, people have been afraid of many new technologies in the past... hasn't prevented a single one of them from being adopted in the past. Sometimes the use is much more limited to certain things (there were proposals for nuclear powered cars and planes), sometimes the use morphs past anything the inventors imagined ( this here Internet is one such example ).

doesn't mean that AI will be universally good. Just like the Internet has not been universally good. Or nuclear power, or even most technology inventions ( coal power, oil, etc may actually kill the planet for US, but the planet will survive, just without humans ).

ancianita

(37,032 posts)
43. Oh, yeah. Thanks. Forgot. I do know GUI, just didn't know there's a shorter version.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:51 PM
Oct 2023

I see what you mean about AI. As business people, DU owners would likely look into the profitability of its use.

Thanks for your info.

Mosby

(16,667 posts)
42. User interface.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:41 PM
Oct 2023

I switched back to skinner mode on my phone. Du3 mobile version was pretty awesome imo. They could have just added all the new functionality without messing with the layout etc.

ancianita

(37,032 posts)
37. Did that immediately. It's not as easy-peezy as you say.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:29 PM
Oct 2023

And why is Latest Breaking News buried at the bottom of the Main Page under "Interest Forums"? That makes no sense.

Why isn't the whole Main Page visual field as comprehensive as with DU3? The rest of the forums require more clicks to find , which isn't an improvement of what we used to see laid out on the Main Page, particularly with the nice visual review of the DU3 Video column missing.

I'm not complaining, but I find only one improvement -- the Milestone column.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,370 posts)
44. Hopefully the new look and feel will appeal to younger Dems
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:55 PM
Oct 2023

We need new blood. And the new look might draw them in.

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