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EarlG

(21,743 posts)
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 01:11 PM Oct 2023

Pic Of The Moment: Welcome Back!



Hi everyone -- welcome back to the new look DU!

Many of you have already tried this out during testing, but for those who haven't the above image should help you get started.

The changes to the site are mostly visual. Posting works the same way, the rules and Jury system are the same as before, and all your personal pages (Bookmarks, Inbox, Journal, Posts, etc.) have been preserved and work the same way as before.

For a comprehensive inventory of changes, see the DU4 Feature List.

Please be aware that despite all the testing we've done, you may run into errors and glitches. We expect this to happen during the post-update phase, and we appreciate your patience while we deal with any issues that come up.

If you run into problems or have any questions, please use the DU Community Help forum, which can now be found via Navigate > Help & Search.

Other than that, don't be afraid to click around and explore! You'll quickly run into all the pages that you're used to. And aside from the visual overhaul, you will find a number of small improvements to many of those pages. Just a few examples: You can select multiple DU Mail messages for deletion at the same time; you can subscribe to people as well as forums; you can recommend replies; there are new visual options in Account Settings; there are new formatting options when posting; and more.

This has been a very long project and we're delighted that it's finally available for everyone to use. We hope you like it! And while I'm here I should probably make a shameless plug: If you feel like kicking into the DU tip jar, now is a great time to get or renew a Star Membership. I think Elad deserves a bonus this year

Thank you for reading, and for being part of this great community!

EarlG, on behalf of Elad -- the DU Administrators
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Pic Of The Moment: Welcome Back! (Original Post) EarlG Oct 2023 OP
Yay!! 2naSalit Oct 2023 #1
Thank goodness! I was beginning to get anxious. redwitch Oct 2023 #2
Hey, why am I seeing a yellow brick road and a house on top of a witch with striped stockings? Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #3
Thanks for your hard work- we appreciate you guys! vanlassie Oct 2023 #4
+1 ... Hotler Oct 2023 #49
In addition to "+1," Wednesdays Oct 2023 #63
Looks a whole lot better already. lpbk2713 Oct 2023 #5
oh my Roc2020 Oct 2023 #6
YAY! FalloutShelter Oct 2023 #7
The new format is really nice!!! beaglelover Oct 2023 #8
Thanks! redqueen Oct 2023 #9
Nice! Looks even better! Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #10
I'm on iPhone. What happened to the front page? TrogL Oct 2023 #11
Just click the site logo at the top of the page to get to the homepage (nt) EarlG Oct 2023 #31
That's better. It needs to look more like a button TrogL Oct 2023 #79
Mahalo EarlG & Elad!🤷‍♀️😎💕💙 Cha Oct 2023 #12
No sproket Oct 2023 #13
Welcome to our DU family. niyad Oct 2023 #16
You might like the *Skinner option* in settings. It's a pretty close look to the traditional view. electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #58
I think that skinner mode is only available to Star DUers n/t Yonnie3 Oct 2023 #64
Thanks to everyone involved malaise Oct 2023 #14
K&R LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2023 #15
Good stuff, but i'm very sad to see Latest Breaking News demoted progree Oct 2023 #17
Do you happen to know what your screen size is on your Windows computer? EarlG Oct 2023 #30
Thanks for replying. It's a 24" monitor /nt progree Oct 2023 #48
Oh my. I did Control Minus (zoom out one level on my browser) and it's beautiful 4-column progree Oct 2023 #55
I also, in default zoom (100%) widened the home page window and I get the 4 columns progree Oct 2023 #56
Cool! BumRushDaShow Oct 2023 #18
Love it! mcar Oct 2023 #19
Not liking the change as I prefered LBN to be front and center to be honest but maybe it will grow on me. *shrug* cstanleytech Oct 2023 #20
Love it! Think. Again. Oct 2023 #21
Great job! dalton99a Oct 2023 #22
The old DU I had used the entire screen width. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #23
This is on the post-launch request list EarlG Oct 2023 #29
Thank you! NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #32
Using firefox or a chrome based browser you can force widescreen in "Skinner Mode" krawhitham Oct 2023 #62
OK, I'm a bit disoriented, but overall it looks good. Thanks for all the work you do!!!! CaptainTruth Oct 2023 #24
This looks amazing Ruby the Liberal Oct 2023 #25
K&R. William769 Oct 2023 #26
Good news! James48 Oct 2023 #27
I"m lost. pazzyanne Oct 2023 #28
Thanks EarlG spanone Oct 2023 #33
It's going to take me a little getting used-to, but I understand that freepers are 4lbs Oct 2023 #34
If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It! CitizenZero Oct 2023 #35
I agree. Mickju Oct 2023 #37
Nice! I don't see a flashing button. Is that My Posts? underpants Oct 2023 #36
Thanks, Boss and great work, Elad! Maeve Oct 2023 #38
I really like it. nolabear Oct 2023 #39
Outstanding work! Haveadream Oct 2023 #40
Could someone gift me a star ... I am unemployed and broke. SarcasticSatyr Oct 2023 #41
If you can tell me how, I would be happy to do that. 3catwoman3 Oct 2023 #44
Thanks for Skinner mode. TomSlick Oct 2023 #42
Suggestion Marthe48 Oct 2023 #43
I can not get in and sign in! riverbendviewgal Oct 2023 #45
You ARE signed in, or you could not post! lol You too might appreciate DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #47
THANKS FOR 'SKINNER MODE' !!!! DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #46
I was trying to get used to the new styling, slightlv Oct 2023 #50
The "My Notes" box in the OP's is very helpful. I keep track there of the number of posts progree Oct 2023 #51
It's a fun experience making the transition. The format is really nice-looking. Just discovered the "top" feature Judi Lynn Oct 2023 #52
Great job! 🥰 MerryBlooms Oct 2023 #53
I can't start a discusion senseandsensibility Oct 2023 #54
I'm in that club. shrike3 Oct 2023 #57
Try it again this morning! senseandsensibility Oct 2023 #76
Thanks! shrike3 Oct 2023 #77
I'll be darned. All better now. shrike3 Oct 2023 #78
Have you tried again today? senseandsensibility Oct 2023 #74
I am very pleased with the DU Mail Archive! jfz9580m Oct 2023 #59
That is a nice change. Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #75
Agreed jfz9580m Oct 2023 #80
Nice job. I like it. Firestorm49 Oct 2023 #60
TY Elad & EarlG for your work. I like the boldness... electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #61
Please stop My Stuff from blinking fromVT Oct 2023 #65
There is a setting to change that Yonnie3 Oct 2023 #66
The image in the OP tells you how to do this EarlG Oct 2023 #67
Thanks, I like it. Brenda Oct 2023 #68
Sorry, but... relayerbob Oct 2023 #69
Why was the Picture of the Day removed? That was one of my favorite things relayerbob Oct 2023 #70
Weirdly, I didn't know you were back until just now because my DU tabs weren't operating Hekate Oct 2023 #71
I'm good with it. Thanks for all your hard work! Captain Zero Oct 2023 #72
Nothing fatal - Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #73
I had one comment about the forums jfz9580m Oct 2023 #81

redwitch

(14,913 posts)
2. Thank goodness! I was beginning to get anxious.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 03:40 PM
Oct 2023

I remember when the site was hacked and what an awful experience it was. Thanks for all the hard work, I love Democratic Underground!

TrogL

(32,818 posts)
79. That's better. It needs to look more like a button
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 06:20 PM
Oct 2023

Maybe put a blue square around it or something.

electric_blue68

(14,412 posts)
58. You might like the *Skinner option* in settings. It's a pretty close look to the traditional view.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:44 PM
Oct 2023

I took a look just to see what it was like. 👍

progree

(10,864 posts)
17. Good stuff, but i'm very sad to see Latest Breaking News demoted
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 04:19 PM
Oct 2023

Last edited Wed Oct 18, 2023, 05:21 PM - Edit history (1)

to only a few entries at the bottom of the home page, and without the 50 or so words beginning of the post. Instead it is just the subject line. I also found Skinner mode to be the same way.

Edited to add: I just discovered on my Android phone that the LBN subject lines are followed by the 50 or so words of the beginning of the post, great! But unfortunately, it's just the subject lines (no 50 words) that shows on my Windows 10 computer /End Edit

On the good, the monospace font will be very helpful as I make a lot of tables. (checking out the highlight feature too).

EarlG

(21,743 posts)
30. Do you happen to know what your screen size is on your Windows computer?
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 05:49 PM
Oct 2023

The LBN blurbs should only be removed on quite small screens (otherwise the right column gets very long). I just want to make sure you're getting the right version of the page.

progree

(10,864 posts)
55. Oh my. I did Control Minus (zoom out one level on my browser) and it's beautiful 4-column
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:14 PM
Oct 2023

Last edited Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:56 PM - Edit history (1)

format and LBN is there right at the top of the 4th column WITH THE BLURBS. WOW.. (Speaking of the home page).

The font might be too small for some people / some screens and monitors, but its fine for me to read the home page.

Control 0 (zero) gets my browser back to default zoom.

Control Plus zooms in one level.

EDITED TO ADD: F11 makes it full screen (F11 to return to how it was)

Mac users have other keyboard shortcuts to do the same things.

progree

(10,864 posts)
56. I also, in default zoom (100%) widened the home page window and I get the 4 columns
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:21 PM
Oct 2023

so I won't have to read smaller font (in my previous post I wrote about using Control Minus to zoom out a level to see the 4 columns).

cstanleytech

(25,966 posts)
20. Not liking the change as I prefered LBN to be front and center to be honest but maybe it will grow on me. *shrug*
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 04:37 PM
Oct 2023

NutmegYankee

(16,156 posts)
23. The old DU I had used the entire screen width.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 05:33 PM
Oct 2023

Is there a way to code a button to turn off the left feed sidebar to that the space is used instead by the threads and thread titles?

EarlG

(21,743 posts)
29. This is on the post-launch request list
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 05:47 PM
Oct 2023

A number of people have asked for an option to hide the left column and use that space, and we should be able to do it. During this phase our priority is making sure that things are stable, then fixing any issues or bugs, but after that we'll be able to get to additional features.

krawhitham

(4,633 posts)
62. Using firefox or a chrome based browser you can force widescreen in "Skinner Mode"
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:59 PM
Oct 2023

For Chrome use stylebot
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha

For Firefox you can use CSS Override or use userContent.css (2nd it more detailed)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/css-override

looks like this



css code

.left-col {
display: none !important;
}
.main-container {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.reply {
max-width: 100% !important;
}
.reply-box {
max-width: 100% !important;
}
.location-trail-container {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.header-inner {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.center-col {
padding: 15px 0px 0px 0px !important;
}
.nav-sitesearch-button-container {
left: 93% !important;
}
.location-trail-bottom {
max-width: 90% !important;
text-align: left !important;
}
.removed-box {
max-width: 90% !important;
}
.reply-button-bottom-container {
width: 90% !important;
}
.op-notes-container {
display: none !important;
}
.video-embed {
padding-bottom: 25% !important;
max-width: 50% !important;
}
.removed-box {
min-width: 100% !important;
}

Ruby the Liberal

(26,212 posts)
25. This looks amazing
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 05:38 PM
Oct 2023

What a ton of work this must have been. I can't even imagine.

It looks incredible! And the Skinner skin was a nice touch. I liked how it felt more familiar when I clicked around to the new stuff, but I'm sticking with the new layout. Its very balanced and well designed.

Thank you all so much for all of your hard work!

4lbs

(6,686 posts)
34. It's going to take me a little getting used-to, but I understand that freepers are
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 05:57 PM
Oct 2023

crying in their oats and outdated, underpowered, PCs right now.

That's good.

CitizenZero

(485 posts)
35. If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It!
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 05:58 PM
Oct 2023

There was nothing wrong with the old interface. I prefer it. Change for the sake of change is not something that I like to see. Sorry.

Maeve

(42,174 posts)
38. Thanks, Boss and great work, Elad!
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 06:37 PM
Oct 2023

It takes time to adjust to new things, but I have loved the new format since the first trial...easier to navigate on my phone, so I'm on more than ever!
Yeah, need to kick up my contribution....

nolabear

(41,845 posts)
39. I really like it.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 06:46 PM
Oct 2023

I used it in beta but it’s well organized, more sophisticated looking and I love the rec function.

I have a new car with lots more bells and whistles and I cuss it all the time until suddenly all those annoying new features make perfect sense. Well, most of them.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
40. Outstanding work!
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 06:52 PM
Oct 2023

The entire forum looks like its been cleaned up, sorted out and put back together with tremendous thoughtfulness. I know the rehab has been a gargantuan task. Some things will take getting used to but that more than okay. It really looks and feels refreshed. It almost has that new car smell!

Thank you for all you do!

Marthe48

(16,405 posts)
43. Suggestion
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 07:43 PM
Oct 2023

If possible, could you create a screen shot of what is in each culture forum and post it? It might help people find things they are looking for

riverbendviewgal

(4,243 posts)
45. I can not get in and sign in!
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 07:52 PM
Oct 2023

I am riverbendviewgal..edit:
Before I was able to see my name on the top . I hope I can figure it out. I am an older senior and this new DU is very complicated to me.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,034 posts)
47. You ARE signed in, or you could not post! lol You too might appreciate
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 08:15 PM
Oct 2023

"Skinner Mode"--- it takes you back to the old look of the forum, with only minor changes.

Go to MyStuff/AccountSettings/Visual Appearance and choose 'Skinner Mode'.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,034 posts)
46. THANKS FOR 'SKINNER MODE' !!!!
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 08:11 PM
Oct 2023

Last edited Wed Oct 18, 2023, 08:50 PM - Edit history (1)

That makes it all painless for me! I do appreciate that....
I get too accustomed to how a website looks, and if that changes radically--- it confuses me. lol

And it does look like you've made some useful changes to the software..... now I look forward to using them.

Thus far I am unhappy with one thing---
that I am no longer alerted to replies to my posts within the index page of the forums---

I have to go hunting for them in MyStuff/posts to see if there are any replies.....

slightlv

(2,595 posts)
50. I was trying to get used to the new styling,
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 08:33 PM
Oct 2023

and hoping I could make it more navigable for me, when I found the Skinner mode. WONDERFUL! Not exactly the same as DU3, but close enough for me, and with the new perks of DU4. I'm happy. Thank you, guys... you did a great job!

progree

(10,864 posts)
51. The "My Notes" box in the OP's is very helpful. I keep track there of the number of posts
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 08:43 PM
Oct 2023

I've read, e.g. "51 replies" in a thread where there were 51 replies and I read all of them. For where I want to read (or skim) every post.

Judi Lynn

(159,938 posts)
52. It's a fun experience making the transition. The format is really nice-looking. Just discovered the "top" feature
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 08:44 PM
Oct 2023

in each post which allows such a quick shot back to the top of the page. So cool!

It is interesting exploring the new landscape. Enjoying it so much already.

Very thoughtful decision.

Thank you.

senseandsensibility

(16,371 posts)
54. I can't start a discusion
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 08:52 PM
Oct 2023

When I click on start a discussion I get a blank white box with no prompts or spaces for text, etc. Everything else is working fine, and I was easily adapting to the new site until this happened. What a bummer! Appreciate any suggestions, y'all.

shrike3

(3,158 posts)
57. I'm in that club.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:12 PM
Oct 2023

Exact same experience. Want to start a discussion; all I get is a big white box. Certainly going to curtail my use of DU.

shrike3

(3,158 posts)
78. I'll be darned. All better now.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 02:34 PM
Oct 2023

Thanks for urging me to try again, sense. Thanks to EarlG, for working out any bugs.

As for the actual format, I'm sure I'll get used to it. I patronize other websites, and when they're retooled there's always a "getting used to it" phase.

jfz9580m

(14,515 posts)
59. I am very pleased with the DU Mail Archive!
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:52 PM
Oct 2023

It was fun to see some correspondence I had from years ago with posters who may not even be around-Saphire Blue(she used to post on homelessness) and some other posters who have either changed their userids or drifted away..hopefully they have not been tombstoned ;-/...(Is that still a thing? The tombstones even are gone..I was in my late twenties when I joined DU..I feel old...).

Ms. Toad

(33,810 posts)
75. That is a nice change.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 01:48 PM
Oct 2023

I was just thinking the other day about someone I worked with to created the license that is still in use for the photography contest. I couldn't remember his name - but I was able to find correspondence from him and recover his email address. (He's PPR for some reason that I can't remember - if I ever knew.)

jfz9580m

(14,515 posts)
80. Agreed
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 09:39 PM
Oct 2023

The name changes are confusing Ms Toad-not that I am one to talk. I have changed mine after all .

electric_blue68

(14,412 posts)
61. TY Elad & EarlG for your work. I like the boldness...
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:01 PM
Oct 2023

in the new look.
Plus that I could adjust the "My Stuff" button to the "Subtle" option so it still catches my attention

I tried the day/night cycle while in beta test - but it would only stay at 7A/7P when I wanted 10A/10P.
I will check it again and see if fixed.

Also thought Skinner mode is a thoughtful approach.

Anyway here's to many more years of DU! 👍👏 +your choice of imbibeable
🍷🍸🍹🍺☕🥛

fromVT

(266 posts)
65. Please stop My Stuff from blinking
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 08:51 AM
Oct 2023

Or give us a way to stop it from blinking. It is so distracting, and there is no way to get it off the page.

Thanks.

Yonnie3

(17,280 posts)
66. There is a setting to change that
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 08:55 AM
Oct 2023

In Account Settings

scroll down to "My Stuff" notifications

Multiple options there. i haven't tried them all, but I did stop that blinking.

Edit: I set mine to "Badge"

EarlG

(21,743 posts)
67. The image in the OP tells you how to do this
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 08:57 AM
Oct 2023
Pro Tip #2: Don't like the flashing button? See My Stuff > Account Settings > "My Stuff" notifications

In the "My Stuff" notifications section on the Account Settings page, you will find five other alternatives to the flashing button. Don't forget to click "Save all settings" when you've found one you like.

Brenda

(985 posts)
68. Thanks, I like it.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 08:58 AM
Oct 2023

I did come across one problem. I tried to edit a thread I started and it gave me some weird split screen and I was unable to edit the OP. I was able to reply to it tho.

Here's the edit screen:

I removed it because I wasn't sure if it was showing correctly. I'll send you a private link.

relayerbob

(6,489 posts)
69. Sorry, but...
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 11:02 AM
Oct 2023

Firmly in the “don’t change something for the sake of change”. This is much harder to actually read, thanks to font selection, and intense white background, thank God you have a dark mode, as it would be unusable for me … too much eye strain. Still challenging, needs different fonts. More steps to navigate. We’ll get used to it, I suppose. I could get used to eating Brussels sprouts, too, I suppose, but I’ll never like them.

Having done lots of web design over the years, I appreciate the effort required, but really, just adding a few features and a dark mode, was all the other one needed. Maybe the code was a mess … I get that … but if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

relayerbob

(6,489 posts)
70. Why was the Picture of the Day removed? That was one of my favorite things
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 11:15 AM
Oct 2023

It's always nice to get a little humor mixed in with all the doom-posting.

Hekate

(89,752 posts)
71. Weirdly, I didn't know you were back until just now because my DU tabs weren't operating
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 11:43 AM
Oct 2023

I do keep a lot of tabs up.

I began to wonder if you weren’t giving us an enforced break to recover some semblance of civility regarding certain matters. I started reading a new book, so it’s all good.

I am so glad to see DU is back.


Ms. Toad

(33,810 posts)
73. Nothing fatal -
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 01:33 PM
Oct 2023

But adding clicks to get to frequently used items (my posts, the main forums) is a bad move.

Mimicking Word's bad decision to shift to add spaces after each line, and line spacing that is more than 1 line is similarly a bad move. There, I can at least create a style that I can set as default so I don't constantyl have to reset the format to make it functional. Here I don't even have the option of changing the format - I'm stuck with way too much white space which. Especially on wide-format screens which have shallow height compared to the width, the relatively fewer lines displayed means the added white space forces me to scroll while I"m reading even short pieces.

Everything else is just a matter of relearning navigation - but nothing I can do about the added work and lowered readability caused by the two above issues.

jfz9580m

(14,515 posts)
81. I had one comment about the forums
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 11:21 AM
Oct 2023

I do think Vegetarian, Vegan and Animal Rights should really be two forums with Animal Rights in the Issue forums. It is afterall very much a progressive issue and very much connected with our various ecological crises. Vegetarian and vegan recipes and lifestyle stuff are a good fit for the Culture Forums.

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