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Doc Sportello

(7,520 posts)
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 12:41 PM Sep 2022

Welp, John Harwood is out at CNN

Just a few minutes ago he was disagreeing with the take that Biden was political last night, saying that Biden was arguing for democracy. Now he's gone too. I thought he did a great job the last few years in holding dump and his minions accountable.




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Welp, John Harwood is out at CNN (Original Post) Doc Sportello Sep 2022 OP
CNN will now be added to my channel blocking list. JohnSJ Sep 2022 #1
Yup..Mine too. n/t whathehell Sep 2022 #21
ditto here HAB911 Sep 2022 #43
i only watch anderson cooper and don lemon Trueblue1968 Sep 2022 #77
Love them, but I cannot support CNN, period. They are the enemy now. Kittycatkat Sep 2022 #90
Many small cuts will also kill Marthe48 Sep 2022 #2
CNN can start hiring all of the old OAN talent on the cheap! TheBlackAdder Sep 2022 #67
You did fine Marthe48 Sep 2022 #75
Biden clearly was political last night. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #3
Most disagree with you. Ferrets are Cool Sep 2022 #24
I agree with you. Fighting Fascism and right wing extremism is maybe the most important political Handler Sep 2022 #27
As our national leader, it is his duty to alert the nation to existential threat. Hortensis Sep 2022 #31
TY & for the tweet from John Harwood.. Cha Sep 2022 #41
I doubt John is worried. True Blue American Sep 2022 #114
I find it somewhat odd that some people seem to take "political" as a slur Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #63
:) Well, yes, but then lots of people are odd -- and suggestible Hortensis Sep 2022 #76
Politics between politicians no less. LakeArenal Sep 2022 #86
Ran into this subject while looking on James Fallows for Harwood. Hortensis Sep 2022 #123
Biden's words are what's important and necessary. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #126
+1000. Hortensis Sep 2022 #128
Exactly. We wouldn't be here if we weren't political junkies. brush Sep 2022 #130
+1 appalachiablue Sep 2022 #117
Agree. It would be more accurate to say he wasn't partisan. localroger Sep 2022 #34
Excellent point.. "not partisan".. Cha Sep 2022 #44
Unfortunately, due to bothsiderism in the US media, jaxexpat Sep 2022 #51
I strongly disagree LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #96
Okay. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #97
The Speech No President Should Have to Give -Joe Biden's duty made it necessary. LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #98
Speaking the necessary truth is a political act. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #99
Everything that occurs in the world can be claimed to be political LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #100
I'm fairly certain that boosting the chances of Democrats is among Joe Biden's objectives. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #101
Biden Gambles That 'We the People' Still Exist LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #135
The goalpost is shifting from not a "political" speech to not a "partisan" speech. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Sep 2022 #118
I do not call it political. True Blue American Sep 2022 #113
More right wing cancel culture TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #4
THIS FalloutShelter Sep 2022 #10
As they think needed to elect Republicans. And reportedly Hortensis Sep 2022 #13
MSNBC would do well to pick him up immediately. Bev54 Sep 2022 #59
My thoughts, exactly! nt Samrob Sep 2022 #62
what's a short term for "right wing cancel culture"? that's the real political correctness, certainot Sep 2022 #112
I can't remember the last time I watched CNN qazplm135 Sep 2022 #5
I loved the Finding Italy series BonnieJW Sep 2022 #64
Well Don Lemmon might soon be gone too as he pushed back... brush Sep 2022 #6
Yeah, my money is on Don Lemon being the next one out the door. bullwinkle428 Sep 2022 #48
I'm surprised he wasn't the first one gone nt maryellen99 Sep 2022 #57
He's been brutally honest about the GQP on twitter. SharonClark Sep 2022 #7
This Kevin McCarthy ,. magicarpet Sep 2022 #60
One of the best journalists around, and too good for highplainsdem Sep 2022 #8
Stop watching CNN awesomerwb1 Sep 2022 #9
Not a good move for CNN. badhair77 Sep 2022 #11
gone by Election Day? rurallib Sep 2022 #12
What about Jake Tapper? whathehell Sep 2022 #23
Jake beathimlikeadrum Sep 2022 #28
+1 SoFloDenny Sep 2022 #33
Welcome to DU, SoFloDenny! calimary Sep 2022 #47
Thanks for posting this Doc Sportello Sep 2022 #69
i posted it in its own separate thread. calimary Sep 2022 #80
Tx for this! appalachiablue Sep 2022 #120
Welcome to DU, beathimlikeadrum! calimary Sep 2022 #46
Wow..Only watched him a few times.. whathehell Sep 2022 #81
He's on the same time as Nicole Wallace. badhair77 Sep 2022 #35
Yes, I know whathehell Sep 2022 #83
Tapper does the bothsiderism and worst routines all the time. brush Sep 2022 #53
Ok, thanks for responding.. whathehell Sep 2022 #82
Contains No News is now on my no-watch list. AllyCat Sep 2022 #36
John Berman, Victor Blackwell, Kate Bouldan, Ana Cabrera, Alisyn Camerota, Erika Hill Fareed Zakaria GuppyGal Sep 2022 #78
So these are the good ones? I went back to #11. I'm not sure how to read this? nt LAS14 Sep 2022 #133
Hopefully Anderson Cooper leaves soon. Marius25 Sep 2022 #14
I have loved Anderson Cooper LittleGirl Sep 2022 #50
Haven't watched CNN in years BlueIdaho Sep 2022 #15
Really sorry to hear that. He was solid -- and added a touch of class to the joint. nt allegorical oracle Sep 2022 #16
the rightward march of CNN continues apace, all according to plan Celerity Sep 2022 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Sep 2022 #18
New broom CEO wants to appease right wingers Warpy Sep 2022 #19
Good work, John. moondust Sep 2022 #20
The new CEO is obviously a right wing plant and hatchet man. This is no "present both sides better" hadEnuf Sep 2022 #22
CNN's brain drain. Baitball Blogger Sep 2022 #25
Hey CNN... rubbersole Sep 2022 #26
CNN is the new Fox News. Sure would like not to see their video's posted on DU, they lack cred Cozmo Sep 2022 #29
Don Lemmon, Anderson Cooper and Jim Acosta... brush Sep 2022 #55
Appears CNN is headed down that RW propaganda rabbit hole like FQX. KS Toronado Sep 2022 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Lars39 Sep 2022 #32
Steltler, Toobin ... Jarqui Sep 2022 #37
Media ownership is broken, its needs to be reformed Mr. Sparkle Sep 2022 #38
Would send LICHT back to COLBERT but he might ruin COLBERT UTUSN Sep 2022 #39
WOW CNN has lost their dayum mind 🤦🏾‍♀️ Heather MC Sep 2022 #40
He actually said 'of course it was a political speech'... GuppyGal Sep 2022 #42
Of course it had political implications Doc Sportello Sep 2022 #72
fuck! This is awful. Fuck fascists and their apologists LymphocyteLover Sep 2022 #45
Watch for far right David Gregory and that right wing KC/DC formerly Submariner Sep 2022 #49
God. Hope they don't resurrect Gregory. Last I remember of him... brush Sep 2022 #56
One time that I wish I had a twitter account to personally thank him question everything Sep 2022 #52
Now they can hire Andrea Mitchell! dchill Sep 2022 #54
That sucks! H2O Man Sep 2022 #58
President Biden told the TRUTH last night. roamer65 Sep 2022 #61
Amen appalachiablue Sep 2022 #121
His exit was evidently decided upon a month ago and was NOT some Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #65
New CEO Of CNN Is Off To A Rough Start DallasNE Sep 2022 #66
This is what Licht was hired to do Doc Sportello Sep 2022 #70
And what's the word on Olbermann? Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #74
I'll take KO's truth over Colbert's praise anyday. Earth-shine Sep 2022 #89
I think the "CNN is a Nazi network" meme that's been flying around this place is pretty nutso. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #93
It is a strawman argument to say "CNN is a Nazi network" Earth-shine Sep 2022 #102
That so-called "straw man" has been flying around here nonstop. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #103
Actually, I question your seriousness. Earth-shine Sep 2022 #105
I suggest you search this forum yourself and then offer me an apology Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #107
You argue without argument. You have opinions that are backed up by solely by your own opinions. Earth-shine Sep 2022 #108
Thank you. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #109
I appreciate your POV. nt LAS14 Sep 2022 #134
It's Not What He's Doing But The Optics DallasNE Sep 2022 #88
No it's what he's doing and he has said so Doc Sportello Sep 2022 #91
I don't think it is either. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #94
I hope he's already in talks with MSNBC, or with NBC for "Meet the Press" renate Sep 2022 #68
Is Asha Rangappa still with CNN? moondust Sep 2022 #71
She was on today Doc Sportello Sep 2022 #73
I saw his last appearance this morning. Did he get fired senseandsensibility Sep 2022 #79
Trump lovers are in charge over there. GreenWave Sep 2022 #84
A brave patriot in the true sense of the word. trof Sep 2022 #85
Seems CNN is on it's way to making Dump's accusations a reality SouthernDem4ever Sep 2022 #87
Twitter reply: Rhiannon12866 Sep 2022 #92
CNN has turned to the dark side LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #95
++ appalachiablue Sep 2022 #119
Yes, but they've already become Baby Fox or Fox Lite, Hortensis Sep 2022 #127
cnn has gone insane in a matter of days Meowmee Sep 2022 #104
They've been doing this for years, even before they, Hortensis Sep 2022 #124
Yes all true Meowmee Sep 2022 #137
Bye bye, CNN BigmanPigman Sep 2022 #106
Apparently he quit; he wasnt fired. Were they reducing his on screen presence? Who knows. oldsoftie Sep 2022 #110
Inside commentary is that he was pushed out 2 years Hortensis Sep 2022 #125
One of the worst things about this is, i cant watch reliable sources at the weekend Mr. Sparkle Sep 2022 #111
I guess being called Fake News buy imbecile nowforever Sep 2022 #115
CNN is going the way of FOX "News" dlk Sep 2022 #116
Tx for posting Doc, furious & sad about this news.JH was right on, expert journo. appalachiablue Sep 2022 #122
I hope most people understand why this is important Doc Sportello Sep 2022 #129
The dismissive comments overlook the vast no. of people in appalachiablue Sep 2022 #138
boycott CNN Takket Sep 2022 #131
I wish I were more familiar with Harwood. What other CNN people should we be concerned about? nt LAS14 Sep 2022 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #139
CNN made a real BAD Decision... LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #140

Kittycatkat

(1,356 posts)
90. Love them, but I cannot support CNN, period. They are the enemy now.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 10:40 PM
Sep 2022

When democracy is in peril, they choose to give fascism equal time. Please do not watch any CNN, it will be too dangerous if we help create another FOX.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
67. CNN can start hiring all of the old OAN talent on the cheap!
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:09 PM
Sep 2022

.

I suck at anything with graphics, so hopefully someone can run with this.

CNN - Filling the Void OAN Leaves Behind







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Marthe48

(16,950 posts)
75. You did fine
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:55 PM
Sep 2022

I canceled cable tv 3 1/2 years ago. I found a radio stream for MSNBC and watch that for my news, listen to my trusty old clock radio for entertainment. I remembered when we first got cable tv and watched CNN. when we got fox, we watched it for a little while, but CNN won out. If we were watching cable now, neither would be in the lineup. CNN made a wrong turn on heading for the future.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
3. Biden clearly was political last night.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 12:45 PM
Sep 2022

Nothing wrong with being a reality-based human being.

Biden gave a great and much needed speech last last. It was also (and quite appropriately) as political as hell.

Fighting back against fascism and populist extremism is a political act.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. As our national leader, it is his duty to alert the nation to existential threat.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:38 PM
Sep 2022

To put it mildly!

Anything any political leader does can be called political, but that's unfortunately taken as a slur by most people and should be used carefully to avoid slandering duty and principle.

Every election is now an existential battle between democracy and authoritarian takeover. The midterms in November could, once again, turn out to be our last free democratic election, or even show that to have been 2020's. Or it could set the stage for the end or saving of our over 230-year-old liberal democratic republic in 2024.


Cha

(297,196 posts)
41. TY & for the tweet from John Harwood..
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:10 PM
Sep 2022

That explains to me why he's out at CNN.

He tells the TRUTH!

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
114. I doubt John is worried.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 08:31 AM
Sep 2022

CNN is getting rid of the truth tellers, god only know who their their replacements will be.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
63. I find it somewhat odd that some people seem to take "political" as a slur
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:29 PM
Sep 2022

on a forum that's devoted to politics.



In any case, I'm proud of my president for giving this much needed speech.

Biden is a light in the darkness.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
76. :) Well, yes, but then lots of people are odd -- and suggestible
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 05:28 PM
Sep 2022

and given to complaining -- political social media groupies anything but an exception!

And agree, I'm proud too, of the president we elected and all who create the light in the darkness.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
123. Ran into this subject while looking on James Fallows for Harwood.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 12:14 PM
Sep 2022

One thing we don't have to wonder about: casting, well, all issues our chief executive and national leader addresses as "political" instead of as issues is a thing.




 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
126. Biden's words are what's important and necessary.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 12:30 PM
Sep 2022

The fight against fascism is political and Biden said what needs to be said.

And our party needs to stay on the offensive. The threat is real. We need resolve.

Fortunately we have a president who not only "gets it," but has the character and trustworthiness to make the case against MAGA fascism in a way that resonates not only with Democrats, but with independants and disaffected Republicans.

We are blessed to have Joe Biden in the White House in this time of national need.

brush

(53,776 posts)
130. Exactly. We wouldn't be here if we weren't political junkies.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 02:28 PM
Sep 2022

Politicians are in politics. When they speak publicly it's invariable political.

What else would it be? It's surprising to me that so many on this site fall for the republican talking point that Biden's speech was political. Warning that our democracy is in danger of right wing fascism is his duty as the president. And of course it's political. That's what politicians do.

Now if repubs said it was partisan, they'd have somewhat of a point...the party of democracy v the party of fascism...I'll give them that.

localroger

(3,626 posts)
34. Agree. It would be more accurate to say he wasn't partisan.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:46 PM
Sep 2022

He made a point of explicitly excluding honorable Republicans he has worked with who are not part of the problem. But yes, the fight between freedom and fascism is a political one.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
44. Excellent point.. "not partisan"..
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:23 PM
Sep 2022

For those who Want our Democracy to keep thriving Against those who want a Fascist State ruled by Arrogant Authoritarian Assholes

jaxexpat

(6,822 posts)
51. Unfortunately, due to bothsiderism in the US media,
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:39 PM
Sep 2022

all discourse by elected officials is given the same value. The implication is that all politicians lie. Following that "truth", it then must be true that all politicians lie all the time about everything. That has become the common "wisdom". When that is considered to be wisdom, the greatest fools are equal to great persons in the minds of the voters. Every line drawn to separate facts from crap is precious.




LetMyPeopleVote

(145,191 posts)
98. The Speech No President Should Have to Give -Joe Biden's duty made it necessary.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 12:59 AM
Sep 2022

This was NOT a political speech unless you think that the protection of our democratic form of government is a partisan issue. I dd NOT believe that caring about the protection of our democratic form of government is a partisan issue. You are welcome to your opinion but I strongly disagree




https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/09/the-speech-no-president-should-have-to-give/671338/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

A Sad Duty
Joe Biden told us last night that American democracy is under attack. He did so in plain language and left no doubt about either the dire nature, or the source, of the threat. Most important, he named names—including, finally, Donald Trump. The president took a political risk and spoke the hard truth: that a significant number of citizens of the United States of America, concentrated in the rotted-out shell of the Republican Party, have become extremists who are engaged in anti-constitutional opposition to our system of government.

Whenever a president gives a speech, pundits, analysts, and citizens all jump to grade the exercise. Was it a great speech or just a good speech? Did it hit the right marks? Did it serve the right constituency? Did it help or hurt his party?....

And make no mistake: He had to give it. His duty demanded it. As Biden rightly said, the American democracy faces an “ongoing attack” from what he termed “MAGA Republicans” who do not respect the Constitution, the rule of law, the will of the people, or the results of free elections. No president could remain silent under such circumstances......

Mostly what I felt watching the president was both sympathy and a kind of horror that he was having to say any of this at all. And so I simply cannot judge it as anything but a sad duty, the same kind of speech a president must give in the face of a national tragedy. These are not speeches anyone wants to write or give. Nonetheless, if I had to pick out a line that will resonate in history, I think—or I hope—that it will be Biden’s reminder that democracy requires sensible, tolerant, and mature human beings in order to work:

Democracy cannot survive when one side believes there are only two outcomes to an election: Either they win or they were cheated … You can’t love your country only when you win.


It really is that simple.


 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
99. Speaking the necessary truth is a political act.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 01:09 AM
Sep 2022

Biden's speech was truthful and just what the country needed to hear.

It was also deeply political. Nothing remotely wrong about that.

Fighting fascism is a political act.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,191 posts)
100. Everything that occurs in the world can be claimed to be political
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 01:23 AM
Sep 2022

This was not a partisan speech. President Biden is not trying to a political/partisan advantage but to protect our country. I got to meet Joe Biden in person at two small/high dollar fundraisers in 2019 back when he needed the money. Biden talked about the Charlotteville march/demonstration at both speeches, and it was clear that he was worried about the fate of our country.

I was a 2016 Clinton national delegate to Philadelphia and had some floor speech signs left over from his speech. Joe Biden signed these speech signs. We got to talk about stuttering at the next fundraiser and I got a "Biden" hug when we briefly compared notes about stuttering.

The Jan. 6 insurrection scared the hell out of me. It is now clear how close we came to TFG being able to declare martial law. If Pence had left the Capitol, I believe that TFG would have declared martial law and unleash the militias. We were lucky on Jan. 6 and now the TFG supporters are doing their best to put election deniers in places where they can steal the next election.

Joe Biden did not do this speech for partisan reason but because our democratic form of government is at risk. I have a meeting tomorrow for Beto organizers and we will be discussing trying to overcome Texas latest voter suppression law. The GOP is trying to subvert and destroy our democratic form of government

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
101. I'm fairly certain that boosting the chances of Democrats is among Joe Biden's objectives.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 01:26 AM
Sep 2022

Shouldn't it be?

It's what I want. It is what you are working for.

No shame in that.



LetMyPeopleVote

(145,191 posts)
135. Biden Gambles That 'We the People' Still Exist
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 06:26 PM
Sep 2022

Anne Applebaum is an amazing writher. Biden had ignored TFG and MAGA idiots for as long as possible but it has become clear that TFG and the MAGA assholes are trying to destroy our democratic form of government. President Biden had to step and address this even if there is a risk that TFG and the MAGA GOP decide that our democratic form of government is a partisan issue.

I do not think that Joe Biden's speech was a partisan speech and that President Biden had to take steps to defend our democratic form of government.



https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/democracy-biden-speech-trump-maga/671325/

MAGA Republicans are rather a threat because their leader does not accept the outcome of elections when he loses them; because he does not believe that the rule of law applies to him; because he does not adhere to the culture of restraint, tolerance, and moderation; and because he is now seeking to help elect other politicians who feel the same way. In their drive to change the political system, and to ensure that they can retain power even if they lose, Trump’s followers have verbally and sometimes physically attacked Capitol police officers, election workers, the FBI, the Department of Justice, and civil servants. He and his acolytes use violent language, and they inspire violence in return. As Biden put it last night, they “tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people. This time, they’re determined to succeed in thwarting the will of the people.”.....

But clearly Biden does care. And so he has taken the risky and genuinely brave decision to use emotional language in defense of our rules-based political system. The speech he gave last night at Independence Hall in Philadelphia, the place where a lot of those rules were written, was indeed lit and orchestrated to evoke drama. It was also meant to evoke strong feelings of patriotism, unity, and connection. Biden referenced American history—”We, the people, have burning inside of each of us the flame of liberty that was lit here at Independence Hall”—as well as American pride. He contrasted Trump’s dark, apocalyptic worldview with his own: “I see a different America, an America with an unlimited future, an America that’s about to take off.” The United States, he said, “is still the beacon to the world, an ideal to be realized, a promise to be kept. There’s nothing more important. Nothing more sacred.”.....

The use of political emotion in a deeply divided society carries some dangers. It is guaranteed to provoke an equally emotional response on the other side, raising temperatures instead of lowering them. Angry language makes the other side angry too, and can also galvanize voters. Precisely that reaction rippled across pro-Trump media and social media last night after the speech. The Fox News host Tucker Carlson declared that the president had “crossed into a very dangerous, very dangerous place.” Biden was accused of “criminalizing political opposition.” House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said Biden had chosen “to divide, demean, and disparage his fellow Americans.” The Republican Party will undoubtedly start fundraising among those Americans who do indeed feel demeaned and disparaged. I expect that some Democrats will feel uneasy about Biden’s speech for the same reason.

Another danger is that the speech will be seen as partisan, as a plea for people to vote for Democrats, rather than as a call for all Americans to support liberal democracy. Clearly the White House was aware of this danger, which is why Biden addressed himself to “Democrats, independents, and mainstream Republicans.” That’s also why he went out of his way to note that “not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology. I know, because I’ve been able to work with these mainstream Republicans.” Unfortunately, the timing of the speech, in the run-up to the midterm elections, will lead many to dismiss it anyway. So will Biden’s oblique and (in this context) possibly unnecessary references to abortion and contraception. Republican politicians and television presenters will deliberately frame the speech so that GOP voters interpret it as partisan, and many voters will only ever hear that commentary, and not listen to the words of the speech at all.....

Most dangerous of all, though, is the possibility that in a tribalized political system like ours, the Constitution, once it is championed by one political camp, may itself come to seem like a partisan cause, a thing that Democrats and maybe Liz Cheney care about, but nobody else. If, to be a fully paid-up member of the Republican Party, you have to go on pretending that the 2020 election was stolen and the January 6 insurrectionists were patriots, then you may eventually come to believe that rule of law is something to be defeated, not respected. Election laws become something that your enemies care about, not you.

Biden is betting that we are not at that stage yet. The language of his speech presumed that, in making an emotional appeal in favor of liberal democracy, he was still speaking to a decisive majority of the country. That’s why he kept using the expression we the people, a phrase that, of course, references the Constitution, but also expresses a sense of unity—a unity that should, in principle, still include people with a huge range of political tastes and views. “We the people,” he said, “accept the results of free and fair elections.” We the people “see politics, not as total war, but mediation of our differences.” And once again: “We the people,” Biden said, “have burning inside of each of us the flame of liberty that was lit here at Independence Hall.”

Our Democratic form of government is at risk. Elections need to be respected and TFG and the MAGA republicans really want to convert the US to an authoritarian state where the good old days where white rednecks had all of the power. We can not risk the loss of our democratic system of government.
 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
136. The goalpost is shifting from not a "political" speech to not a "partisan" speech.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 07:10 PM
Sep 2022

I hope we can all now stipulate that it clearly was a "political" speech, as a president speaking out against fascism clearly is political.

As to the "partisanship" of the speech, I'd call it mixed.

The timing on the traditional opening day of the general election campaign cycle was clearly partisan. And no one will convince me that Biden's speech isn't designed to boost the electoral chances of Democrats running in November (and thank goodness for that). I (and I'm sure you) want a Democratic president to support our candidates in midterms. So good job.

And Biden took it to Republicans. That's partisan, even as he distinguished MAGA fascism from mainstream conservatism (a move I applaud).

Are there truths in Biden's speech about the risks posed by Donald J Trump and his supporters to the future of our republic that transcend partisan politics and instead recognize the existential threat that ought to concern all Americans regardless of party? Absolutely, and without question.

This was a great speech, an important speech, and a necessary speech.

I'd dumur on the claim that it isn't a political speech (it was) and on a claim that it is free of partisan aspects (and I'm glad of that, no apologies needed to support Democrats running for office).

I'd also readily accede to the notion that the speech addresses issues that transcend simple partisanship.

I think Joe Biden nailed balancing complementary goals beautifully.

Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #98)

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
113. I do not call it political.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 08:28 AM
Sep 2022

I call it calling a spade a spade. Telling the truth. That is hard for a politician to do, but it works.

Bringing the country together, calling out those who want civil. War, revenge, etc.

The 3 main Sunday cable shows could not find one prominent Republican to defend Trump last week. They will find many to rage at Biden for telling the truth Thursday night.

Cable news is killing. Itself.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. As they think needed to elect Republicans. And reportedly
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:09 PM
Sep 2022

they think it's critical to amp it up further. Again. They'll definitely be right if it turns out to work.

NEED. MORE. FOX. PROS.

Bev54

(10,052 posts)
59. MSNBC would do well to pick him up immediately.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:11 PM
Sep 2022

Can they also trade Mitchell for Lemon? He went after rw loyalists big time from the clips I have seen today. He wants to go as well, maybe he is looking to get out of his contract.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
112. what's a short term for "right wing cancel culture"? that's the real political correctness,
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 07:05 AM
Sep 2022

enforced by 1500 radio stations fed by US and russian think tanks, steering US media for 30 years

something to do with ditto, dittohead, mega ditto so they all know what it means - they all know what that means

BonnieJW

(2,265 posts)
64. I loved the Finding Italy series
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:43 PM
Sep 2022

with Stanley Tucci. I thought it was wonderful.

But like everyone else, I won't be watching anymore. It will be interesting to watch the ratings as well as the exodus of on air professionals.

brush

(53,776 posts)
6. Well Don Lemmon might soon be gone too as he pushed back...
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 12:47 PM
Sep 2022

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last night on his show against a repug who kept saying that Joe attacked all republicans. Don Lemmon would not let her get away with it. He repeatedly denied her contentions and asked her pointed questions to show she was full of it.

I was quite pleased with how he handled it, but worried about what would happen to him as CNN recently has insinuated that it's shifting to the right with its coverage.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
7. He's been brutally honest about the GQP on twitter.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 12:49 PM
Sep 2022

"Biden's assertion that Trump and extremist Republicans pose a threat to American democracy is, undeniably, true"
"Kevin McCarthy is really bad at feigning sincerity"

I guess CNN has no place for that.

Bonus tweet from John Legend @johnlegend...
"When the president comes out as anti fascist and pro democracy and you feel attacked… Perhaps you need to do some introspection"

magicarpet

(14,149 posts)
60. This Kevin McCarthy ,.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:16 PM
Sep 2022

.... The electric cord to my fuse box shoots out blue sparks every time Donnie trDUMP walks by....

Or some such gobbledy-gook trash....

God help us if he becomes the Leader of the US House.

badhair77

(4,217 posts)
11. Not a good move for CNN.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:06 PM
Sep 2022

So that leaves Jim Acosta, Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon. Yes, I can count them on our hand.

beathimlikeadrum

(31 posts)
28. Jake
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:33 PM
Sep 2022

Tapper is one of the worst at CNN. The man spread right wing conspiracies about Obama using the IRS to target conservatives, about the Hillary "Uranium One" garbage, and has slandered Biden any and every chance he gets.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
47. Welcome to DU, SoFloDenny!
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:31 PM
Sep 2022

Yeah, it starts sounding like a hard-sell sales pitch, doesn't it!

I'd suggest writing a complaint to CNN. Several ways listed here, phone numbers, offices,

https://www.wikihow.com/Contact-CNN

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https://www.wikihow.com/Contact-CNN

Doc Sportello

(7,520 posts)
69. Thanks for posting this
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:34 PM
Sep 2022

I don't know if it will do any good but I at least want to voice my displeasure. It's interesting that the first two to get the ax (other than the perv lawyer) were two of the most open critics of the RW, especially Stelter since he would have felt duty bound to report the changes, so he had to go first.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
81. Wow..Only watched him a few times..
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 07:35 PM
Sep 2022

I thought he was a straight shooter..What conspiracy did he spread about Obama?

badhair77

(4,217 posts)
35. He's on the same time as Nicole Wallace.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:47 PM
Sep 2022

He can’t compete with her. Plus he’s too much “both sides” for me. I’m all for objectivity but he seems to go both sides so he can can claim he’s neutral.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
83. Yes, I know
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 07:42 PM
Sep 2022

I like Nicole a lot, but, based on a couple positive viewings of Tapper, considered using my DVR to record him..Not inclined to do so now.

brush

(53,776 posts)
53. Tapper does the bothsiderism and worst routines all the time.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:49 PM
Sep 2022

I used to think he was a straight shooter but he shifted right before CNN itself did.

GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
78. John Berman, Victor Blackwell, Kate Bouldan, Ana Cabrera, Alisyn Camerota, Erika Hill Fareed Zakaria
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 06:39 PM
Sep 2022

just to name a few that i can think of

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
50. I have loved Anderson Cooper
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:38 PM
Sep 2022

For decades. I’ll go where ever he goes.

I’m so disappointed with CNN.

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Warpy

(111,255 posts)
19. New broom CEO wants to appease right wingers
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:16 PM
Sep 2022

and fires anybody who starts to tell too much truth.

They're going to lose all their good anchors, not to mention their credibility. Zaslav seems to have no clue in the world where the political center lies. Clue phone, Dave, facts have a liberal bias.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/24/the-changes-at-cnn-look-politically-motivated-that-should-concern-us-all

hadEnuf

(2,190 posts)
22. The new CEO is obviously a right wing plant and hatchet man. This is no "present both sides better"
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:20 PM
Sep 2022

thing. This is a purge of anything not pro GOP.

CNN is purposely being destroyed from the inside.

Make no mistake about that.

rubbersole

(6,689 posts)
26. Hey CNN...
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:30 PM
Sep 2022

Maybe not such a good time to imitate Faux. Their poster boy is going to go through some things. Just sayin'.

brush

(53,776 posts)
55. Don Lemmon, Anderson Cooper and Jim Acosta...
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:56 PM
Sep 2022

are the only evening hosts who still have some credibility. Breanna Keillar in the early morning also. He partner, his name is escaping me right now, is ok but I like her better. She pulls no punches.

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Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
37. Steltler, Toobin ...
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:51 PM
Sep 2022

CNN is turning red.

The main broadcast networks did not carry President Biden's wonderful speech last night.

Democracy is hard to sustain without the media providing reliable facts and fair arbitration based upon the truth.

Republican sympathetic large corporations control 90+% of the US media.
I suspect this behavior is to help them hang on to their tax breaks and bump their ratings.

The place where a lot of the right wing conspiracies go to die are the courts. They die there because the semi-fascists can't lie there without getting nailed for perjury and because the courts are focused on verifiable facts - something the MAGAts rarely have.

The internet is still the wild west frontier right now.
Maybe we need a more concerted effort to fight back there.
Pound out the facts and the truth.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
40. WOW CNN has lost their dayum mind 🤦🏾‍♀️
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:06 PM
Sep 2022

John Harwood was one of the few people worth watching when he provided commentary

Doc Sportello

(7,520 posts)
72. Of course it had political implications
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:39 PM
Sep 2022

He meant it had to do with politics but he then defended it followed that up with a defense.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
49. Watch for far right David Gregory and that right wing KC/DC formerly
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:36 PM
Sep 2022

of Way Too Early Show on MSNBC, to be paired as a point counter-point couple called Political Chatter.

I saw some tryout shows a couple of weeks ago. Very deceptive feeling.

brush

(53,776 posts)
56. God. Hope they don't resurrect Gregory. Last I remember of him...
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:06 PM
Sep 2022

was when he was dancing on screen with Rove on a long ago election night. He was horrible on "Meet the Press" year ago. And you have to horrible to be replaced by Chuck Todd.

KC DC is also horrible. How do these mediocrities keep getting chance after chance?

question everything

(47,476 posts)
52. One time that I wish I had a twitter account to personally thank him
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:42 PM
Sep 2022

I do remember him from pre-Murdoch WSJ. They had several financial columnists who were gone once Murdoch took over.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
58. That sucks!
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:09 PM
Sep 2022

Recommended.

Huge surprise that a president would be "political." You'd expect them to be 100% a sports figure. Maybe a musician.

I think that President Biden's two most recent speeches were as great as they were necessary.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
61. President Biden told the TRUTH last night.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:19 PM
Sep 2022

No part of what he said was a lie or political.

The national needs to hear the TRUTH.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
65. His exit was evidently decided upon a month ago and was NOT some
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:49 PM
Sep 2022

retaliation for any comments he made about Joe Biden's speech.

But do continue....

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
66. New CEO Of CNN Is Off To A Rough Start
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:00 PM
Sep 2022

He is bleeding newscasters in a drip, drip, drip fashion, keeping the issue center stage. They are visible so they count more than writers and producers in a public relations sense. He either figures out a way to stop this or he is gone. To that I would say don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Doc Sportello

(7,520 posts)
70. This is what Licht was hired to do
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:37 PM
Sep 2022

He won't be gone. Somebody posted on another thread that Olbermann knew him from his MSNBC days and he said the guy was an amoral backstabber.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
74. And what's the word on Olbermann?
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:47 PM
Sep 2022

Has he ever worked with any one for whom he has a good word, and vice versa?

In contrast, Stephen Colbert praised Chris Licht to the skies when Licht got the CNN job. I trust his judgement over that of Keith Olbermann.

Earth-shine

(4,003 posts)
89. I'll take KO's truth over Colbert's praise anyday.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 10:15 PM
Sep 2022

So, CNN abruptly fires Stelton and Harwood, and you want to believe Licht is a good guy on our side?

Your box of rain is leaky.

KO is a serious guy and pundit. Colbert is a nice guy and might not know of or care about the specifics of the CNN issue. Maybe Colbert knows Licht only as being a Colbert producer.

KO says Licht was Scarborough's hatchet man, and I believe it.

You see, back then, when Scar had the 10PM slot, I thought he was smarmy, disgusting, right winger.

Meanwhile, in those days, KO was calling out bad elections in Ohio and trying to get Rachel Maddow hired.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
93. I think the "CNN is a Nazi network" meme that's been flying around this place is pretty nutso.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 12:12 AM
Sep 2022

Olbermann is a guy with some serious issues, who has alienated almost everyone he's ever worked with.

I'd place Stephen Colbert's estimation of good character far above Olbermann's. Not even a remotely close call. And he has the highest of praise for Chris Licht.

The quality of journalism at CNN has been pretty bad. I hope Licht rights the ship.

Time will tell.

Earth-shine

(4,003 posts)
102. It is a strawman argument to say "CNN is a Nazi network"
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 01:54 AM
Sep 2022

Here's what's real ...

Google this "licht meets with republicans"

Here's one link of many ...

https://lastnighton.com/2022/08/30/former-colbert-showrunner-faces-backlash-met-privately-with-republicans/

You actually expect a classy guy like Colbert to badmouth his producer? I'm sure they had a fine relationship.

But now Licht is changing the orientation of CNN.

I listen to KO's podcast every day. He's a serious pundit. Colbert is the best of late-night entertainment, but he's a guy who makes jokes.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
103. That so-called "straw man" has been flying around here nonstop.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 02:13 AM
Sep 2022

And the charge against the head of a news network that he *gasp* met with some Republicans, really isn't evidence that CNN has swung to the far-right. Not a bit.

We will have to disagree on the "seriousness" of Keith Olbermann and his notorious inability to work with others.

Earth-shine

(4,003 posts)
105. Actually, I question your seriousness.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 02:27 AM
Sep 2022

I call you out -- show me a link that says anyone here said "CNN is a Nazi network."

Go on -- show me or shut up!

Licht has already fired Stelton and Harwood. But, you ignore that.

The only thing you base your opinion on is that nice guy Colbert wished his producer well in his new job. I expect nothing other than niceness from Colbert. I watch him frequently.





 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
107. I suggest you search this forum yourself and then offer me an apology
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 02:36 AM
Sep 2022

rather than questioning my seriousness.



You are also wrong about Colbert's endorsement--which is effusive--being my only basis for evaluating Chris Licht.

I think he's right about wanting to raise the standards of journalism at CNN.

There was far too much of the non-stop disaster coverage alternating with "opinion" programming with far to little straight news at CNN during the Jeff Zucker for my taste.

Earth-shine

(4,003 posts)
108. You argue without argument. You have opinions that are backed up by solely by your own opinions.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 02:38 AM
Sep 2022

Now and forever, you will be on my ignore list.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
88. It's Not What He's Doing But The Optics
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 09:28 PM
Sep 2022

Of how it is unfolding and the damage inflicted on the corporate image. He is being out maneuver.

Doc Sportello

(7,520 posts)
91. No it's what he's doing and he has said so
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 11:04 PM
Sep 2022

It's part of a plan to supposedly bring in more RW viewpoints for "both siderism". Licht is just a hatchet man for the powers that be. Licht is not making the decisions. They are coming from above. So we will have more cable news with Faux news elements to normalize what is abnormal in our democracy. That is the problem.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
94. I don't think it is either.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 12:17 AM
Sep 2022

People are "inventing" fake quotes and others are engaging in ((((echo chamber)))) repetition of those inventions.

What's happened to critical thinking and healthy skepticism?





renate

(13,776 posts)
68. I hope he's already in talks with MSNBC, or with NBC for "Meet the Press"
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:28 PM
Sep 2022

Bye CNN. What a weird time for them to veer to the right.

moondust

(19,979 posts)
71. Is Asha Rangappa still with CNN?
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:39 PM
Sep 2022

I haven't seen her there in quite a while but she has been on MSNBC a lot lately.

Doc Sportello

(7,520 posts)
73. She was on today
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:42 PM
Sep 2022

Of course she is a legal expert brought in for commentary. They are getting rid of the anchors and reporters who included analysis that Malone thinks is partisan - you know like saying overthrowing democracy is bad and dump lies.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
127. Yes, but they've already become Baby Fox or Fox Lite,
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 12:36 PM
Sep 2022

keeping anti-Democratic/anti-liberal spin light enough for uncritical viewers to miss, or be able to excuse. I spot deceit whenever I turn on shows hosted by RW agents and no doubt miss a bunch anyway.

Now more shift to the dark side as they bring in even more pros from Fox to join the ones already there spinning for wealthy conservative interests.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
104. cnn has gone insane in a matter of days
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 02:13 AM
Sep 2022

Scary times, I won't be watching them, msnbc it is.. I hardly watched any news at all today actually. Once again selling out their country for ratings etc. They and others gave the fascist free air time non stop during his nazi rallies.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
124. They've been doing this for years, even before they,
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 12:22 PM
Sep 2022

as you mention, played such a big part in creating Trump the Great Leader and swiftboating HRC and the entire Democratic Party in 2016. And of course after.

Their lineup has had a number of hosts and commentators literally brought over from Fox for some while now. In addition to other pros at spinning Democrat-complimentary facts into Democratic failures.

Now's just another step in their dance to keep Republicans in power.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
137. Yes all true
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 07:29 PM
Sep 2022

Which I was a ware of but this is a step into deep fascism here- They are firing people for speaking out against fascism. What will come next.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
106. Bye bye, CNN
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 02:28 AM
Sep 2022

I hope your ratings tank instantly and they never increase again. Right wing nut jobs do not belong in the news business.

Fuck you, CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
110. Apparently he quit; he wasnt fired. Were they reducing his on screen presence? Who knows.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 07:00 AM
Sep 2022

But either way the last 20 yrs reporters have become celebrities & it was never supposed to be that way

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
125. Inside commentary is that he was pushed out 2 years
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 12:26 PM
Sep 2022

before his contract ran, also Stelter. There's a hint that that's likely true in Harwood's statement that NOW he starts deciding where he goes next.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,932 posts)
111. One of the worst things about this is, i cant watch reliable sources at the weekend
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 07:04 AM
Sep 2022

to find out what really happened behind the scenes, because they were fired too.

nowforever

(302 posts)
115. I guess being called Fake News buy imbecile
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 08:42 AM
Sep 2022

Can make you cower and beg for more watchers. Real news stands up to bullies and hypocritical critics. CNN's leadership now embraces the notion that going down the middle means leaning right while waving the flag. Pitiful display of real journalism. John is a straight talking intelligent reporter...another step down for the NEW Fix Soft...network.

dlk

(11,563 posts)
116. CNN is going the way of FOX "News"
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 10:48 AM
Sep 2022

Going forward, neither I, nor anyone I know, will be watching. It’s a shame an entitled and cranky billionaire can ruin an entire network; the facts and democracy lose.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
122. Tx for posting Doc, furious & sad about this news.JH was right on, expert journo.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 11:43 AM
Sep 2022

While Americans slept, the US lost democracy.. Wake the hell up people! I want out of here..

Doc Sportello

(7,520 posts)
129. I hope most people understand why this is important
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 02:13 PM
Sep 2022

There have been a number of "I don't watch CNN so who cares" or "their ratings are low so who cares" type posts. Fact is CNN is still a player in our national discourse and watched and listened to by repub officials, as well as Democrats and moderates, and government workers. Despite its flaws it is considered a solid source for news by most people in power. The changes taking place there have nothing to do with ratings, "partisanship" or other BS excuses. It's a power play to influence our national narrative, pure and simple, that if successful is going to normalize the anti-democratic forces in this country and that is dangerous.

Thanks for your words and the post referring this thread.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
138. The dismissive comments overlook the vast no. of people in
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 11:35 PM
Sep 2022

the US and around the world who follow CNN, aren't media experts and regard it as more neutral in approach than far rt channels. It's good to have as you say, esp. If Fox is blaring on a TV in a restaurant, auto dealer or bank and customers can ask mgmt. to switch it to CNN.

How's that going to play, and viewership in general when the majority is unaware of a new shift to Fox- Lite. I also hope that Licht won't turn out to be a media version of Louis DeJoy, or worse, after reading several comments above. We'll find out soon. TC. - Hillbilly Hippie.

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