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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWelp, John Harwood is out at CNN
Just a few minutes ago he was disagreeing with the take that Biden was political last night, saying that Biden was arguing for democracy. Now he's gone too. I thought he did a great job the last few years in holding dump and his minions accountable.
Link to tweet
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)Trueblue1968
(17,217 posts)Kittycatkat
(1,356 posts)When democracy is in peril, they choose to give fascism equal time. Please do not watch any CNN, it will be too dangerous if we help create another FOX.
Marthe48
(16,950 posts)CNN can subvert their reporting, but, like murder, truth will out.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts).
I suck at anything with graphics, so hopefully someone can run with this.
CNN - Filling the Void OAN Leaves Behind
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Marthe48
(16,950 posts)I canceled cable tv 3 1/2 years ago. I found a radio stream for MSNBC and watch that for my news, listen to my trusty old clock radio for entertainment. I remembered when we first got cable tv and watched CNN. when we got fox, we watched it for a little while, but CNN won out. If we were watching cable now, neither would be in the lineup. CNN made a wrong turn on heading for the future.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Nothing wrong with being a reality-based human being.
Biden gave a great and much needed speech last last. It was also (and quite appropriately) as political as hell.
Fighting back against fascism and populist extremism is a political act.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)Handler
(336 posts)action.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)To put it mildly!
Anything any political leader does can be called political, but that's unfortunately taken as a slur by most people and should be used carefully to avoid slandering duty and principle.
Every election is now an existential battle between democracy and authoritarian takeover. The midterms in November could, once again, turn out to be our last free democratic election, or even show that to have been 2020's. Or it could set the stage for the end or saving of our over 230-year-old liberal democratic republic in 2024.
Link to tweet
Cha
(297,196 posts)That explains to me why he's out at CNN.
He tells the TRUTH!
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)CNN is getting rid of the truth tellers, god only know who their their replacements will be.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)on a forum that's devoted to politics.
In any case, I'm proud of my president for giving this much needed speech.
Biden is a light in the darkness.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and given to complaining -- political social media groupies anything but an exception!
And agree, I'm proud too, of the president we elected and all who create the light in the darkness.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)One thing we don't have to wonder about: casting, well, all issues our chief executive and national leader addresses as "political" instead of as issues is a thing.
Link to tweet
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)The fight against fascism is political and Biden said what needs to be said.
And our party needs to stay on the offensive. The threat is real. We need resolve.
Fortunately we have a president who not only "gets it," but has the character and trustworthiness to make the case against MAGA fascism in a way that resonates not only with Democrats, but with independants and disaffected Republicans.
We are blessed to have Joe Biden in the White House in this time of national need.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)brush
(53,776 posts)Politicians are in politics. When they speak publicly it's invariable political.
What else would it be? It's surprising to me that so many on this site fall for the republican talking point that Biden's speech was political. Warning that our democracy is in danger of right wing fascism is his duty as the president. And of course it's political. That's what politicians do.
Now if repubs said it was partisan, they'd have somewhat of a point...the party of democracy v the party of fascism...I'll give them that.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)localroger
(3,626 posts)He made a point of explicitly excluding honorable Republicans he has worked with who are not part of the problem. But yes, the fight between freedom and fascism is a political one.
Cha
(297,196 posts)For those who Want our Democracy to keep thriving Against those who want a Fascist State ruled by Arrogant Authoritarian Assholes
jaxexpat
(6,822 posts)all discourse by elected officials is given the same value. The implication is that all politicians lie. Following that "truth", it then must be true that all politicians lie all the time about everything. That has become the common "wisdom". When that is considered to be wisdom, the greatest fools are equal to great persons in the minds of the voters. Every line drawn to separate facts from crap is precious.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,191 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,191 posts)This was NOT a political speech unless you think that the protection of our democratic form of government is a partisan issue. I dd NOT believe that caring about the protection of our democratic form of government is a partisan issue. You are welcome to your opinion but I strongly disagree
Link to tweet
https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/09/the-speech-no-president-should-have-to-give/671338/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
Joe Biden told us last night that American democracy is under attack. He did so in plain language and left no doubt about either the dire nature, or the source, of the threat. Most important, he named namesincluding, finally, Donald Trump. The president took a political risk and spoke the hard truth: that a significant number of citizens of the United States of America, concentrated in the rotted-out shell of the Republican Party, have become extremists who are engaged in anti-constitutional opposition to our system of government.
Whenever a president gives a speech, pundits, analysts, and citizens all jump to grade the exercise. Was it a great speech or just a good speech? Did it hit the right marks? Did it serve the right constituency? Did it help or hurt his party?....
And make no mistake: He had to give it. His duty demanded it. As Biden rightly said, the American democracy faces an ongoing attack from what he termed MAGA Republicans who do not respect the Constitution, the rule of law, the will of the people, or the results of free elections. No president could remain silent under such circumstances......
Mostly what I felt watching the president was both sympathy and a kind of horror that he was having to say any of this at all. And so I simply cannot judge it as anything but a sad duty, the same kind of speech a president must give in the face of a national tragedy. These are not speeches anyone wants to write or give. Nonetheless, if I had to pick out a line that will resonate in history, I thinkor I hopethat it will be Bidens reminder that democracy requires sensible, tolerant, and mature human beings in order to work:
Democracy cannot survive when one side believes there are only two outcomes to an election: Either they win or they were cheated You cant love your country only when you win.
It really is that simple.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Biden's speech was truthful and just what the country needed to hear.
It was also deeply political. Nothing remotely wrong about that.
Fighting fascism is a political act.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,191 posts)This was not a partisan speech. President Biden is not trying to a political/partisan advantage but to protect our country. I got to meet Joe Biden in person at two small/high dollar fundraisers in 2019 back when he needed the money. Biden talked about the Charlotteville march/demonstration at both speeches, and it was clear that he was worried about the fate of our country.
I was a 2016 Clinton national delegate to Philadelphia and had some floor speech signs left over from his speech. Joe Biden signed these speech signs. We got to talk about stuttering at the next fundraiser and I got a "Biden" hug when we briefly compared notes about stuttering.
The Jan. 6 insurrection scared the hell out of me. It is now clear how close we came to TFG being able to declare martial law. If Pence had left the Capitol, I believe that TFG would have declared martial law and unleash the militias. We were lucky on Jan. 6 and now the TFG supporters are doing their best to put election deniers in places where they can steal the next election.
Joe Biden did not do this speech for partisan reason but because our democratic form of government is at risk. I have a meeting tomorrow for Beto organizers and we will be discussing trying to overcome Texas latest voter suppression law. The GOP is trying to subvert and destroy our democratic form of government
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Shouldn't it be?
It's what I want. It is what you are working for.
No shame in that.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,191 posts)Anne Applebaum is an amazing writher. Biden had ignored TFG and MAGA idiots for as long as possible but it has become clear that TFG and the MAGA assholes are trying to destroy our democratic form of government. President Biden had to step and address this even if there is a risk that TFG and the MAGA GOP decide that our democratic form of government is a partisan issue.
I do not think that Joe Biden's speech was a partisan speech and that President Biden had to take steps to defend our democratic form of government.
Link to tweet
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/democracy-biden-speech-trump-maga/671325/
But clearly Biden does care. And so he has taken the risky and genuinely brave decision to use emotional language in defense of our rules-based political system. The speech he gave last night at Independence Hall in Philadelphia, the place where a lot of those rules were written, was indeed lit and orchestrated to evoke drama. It was also meant to evoke strong feelings of patriotism, unity, and connection. Biden referenced American historyWe, the people, have burning inside of each of us the flame of liberty that was lit here at Independence Hallas well as American pride. He contrasted Trumps dark, apocalyptic worldview with his own: I see a different America, an America with an unlimited future, an America thats about to take off. The United States, he said, is still the beacon to the world, an ideal to be realized, a promise to be kept. Theres nothing more important. Nothing more sacred......
The use of political emotion in a deeply divided society carries some dangers. It is guaranteed to provoke an equally emotional response on the other side, raising temperatures instead of lowering them. Angry language makes the other side angry too, and can also galvanize voters. Precisely that reaction rippled across pro-Trump media and social media last night after the speech. The Fox News host Tucker Carlson declared that the president had crossed into a very dangerous, very dangerous place. Biden was accused of criminalizing political opposition. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said Biden had chosen to divide, demean, and disparage his fellow Americans. The Republican Party will undoubtedly start fundraising among those Americans who do indeed feel demeaned and disparaged. I expect that some Democrats will feel uneasy about Bidens speech for the same reason.
Another danger is that the speech will be seen as partisan, as a plea for people to vote for Democrats, rather than as a call for all Americans to support liberal democracy. Clearly the White House was aware of this danger, which is why Biden addressed himself to Democrats, independents, and mainstream Republicans. Thats also why he went out of his way to note that not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology. I know, because Ive been able to work with these mainstream Republicans. Unfortunately, the timing of the speech, in the run-up to the midterm elections, will lead many to dismiss it anyway. So will Bidens oblique and (in this context) possibly unnecessary references to abortion and contraception. Republican politicians and television presenters will deliberately frame the speech so that GOP voters interpret it as partisan, and many voters will only ever hear that commentary, and not listen to the words of the speech at all.....
Most dangerous of all, though, is the possibility that in a tribalized political system like ours, the Constitution, once it is championed by one political camp, may itself come to seem like a partisan cause, a thing that Democrats and maybe Liz Cheney care about, but nobody else. If, to be a fully paid-up member of the Republican Party, you have to go on pretending that the 2020 election was stolen and the January 6 insurrectionists were patriots, then you may eventually come to believe that rule of law is something to be defeated, not respected. Election laws become something that your enemies care about, not you.
Biden is betting that we are not at that stage yet. The language of his speech presumed that, in making an emotional appeal in favor of liberal democracy, he was still speaking to a decisive majority of the country. Thats why he kept using the expression we the people, a phrase that, of course, references the Constitution, but also expresses a sense of unitya unity that should, in principle, still include people with a huge range of political tastes and views. We the people, he said, accept the results of free and fair elections. We the people see politics, not as total war, but mediation of our differences. And once again: We the people, Biden said, have burning inside of each of us the flame of liberty that was lit here at Independence Hall.
Our Democratic form of government is at risk. Elections need to be respected and TFG and the MAGA republicans really want to convert the US to an authoritarian state where the good old days where white rednecks had all of the power. We can not risk the loss of our democratic system of government.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I hope we can all now stipulate that it clearly was a "political" speech, as a president speaking out against fascism clearly is political.
As to the "partisanship" of the speech, I'd call it mixed.
The timing on the traditional opening day of the general election campaign cycle was clearly partisan. And no one will convince me that Biden's speech isn't designed to boost the electoral chances of Democrats running in November (and thank goodness for that). I (and I'm sure you) want a Democratic president to support our candidates in midterms. So good job.
And Biden took it to Republicans. That's partisan, even as he distinguished MAGA fascism from mainstream conservatism (a move I applaud).
Are there truths in Biden's speech about the risks posed by Donald J Trump and his supporters to the future of our republic that transcend partisan politics and instead recognize the existential threat that ought to concern all Americans regardless of party? Absolutely, and without question.
This was a great speech, an important speech, and a necessary speech.
I'd dumur on the claim that it isn't a political speech (it was) and on a claim that it is free of partisan aspects (and I'm glad of that, no apologies needed to support Democrats running for office).
I'd also readily accede to the notion that the speech addresses issues that transcend simple partisanship.
I think Joe Biden nailed balancing complementary goals beautifully.
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True Blue American
(17,984 posts)I call it calling a spade a spade. Telling the truth. That is hard for a politician to do, but it works.
Bringing the country together, calling out those who want civil. War, revenge, etc.
The 3 main Sunday cable shows could not find one prominent Republican to defend Trump last week. They will find many to rage at Biden for telling the truth Thursday night.
Cable news is killing. Itself.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)Except that they cancel the truth.
FalloutShelter
(11,861 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)they think it's critical to amp it up further. Again. They'll definitely be right if it turns out to work.
NEED. MORE. FOX. PROS.
Bev54
(10,052 posts)Can they also trade Mitchell for Lemon? He went after rw loyalists big time from the clips I have seen today. He wants to go as well, maybe he is looking to get out of his contract.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)enforced by 1500 radio stations fed by US and russian think tanks, steering US media for 30 years
something to do with ditto, dittohead, mega ditto so they all know what it means - they all know what that means
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)but looks like they are going for Republican light.
BonnieJW
(2,265 posts)with Stanley Tucci. I thought it was wonderful.
But like everyone else, I won't be watching anymore. It will be interesting to watch the ratings as well as the exodus of on air professionals.
brush
(53,776 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:38 PM - Edit history (2)
last night on his show against a repug who kept saying that Joe attacked all republicans. Don Lemmon would not let her get away with it. He repeatedly denied her contentions and asked her pointed questions to show she was full of it.
I was quite pleased with how he handled it, but worried about what would happen to him as CNN recently has insinuated that it's shifting to the right with its coverage.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)maryellen99
(3,788 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)"Biden's assertion that Trump and extremist Republicans pose a threat to American democracy is, undeniably, true"
"Kevin McCarthy is really bad at feigning sincerity"
I guess CNN has no place for that.
Bonus tweet from John Legend @johnlegend...
"When the president comes out as anti fascist and pro democracy and you feel attacked
Perhaps you need to do some introspection"
magicarpet
(14,149 posts).... The electric cord to my fuse box shoots out blue sparks every time Donnie trDUMP walks by....
Or some such gobbledy-gook trash....
God help us if he becomes the Leader of the US House.
highplainsdem
(48,975 posts)what CNN is apparently becoming.
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)badhair77
(4,217 posts)So that leaves Jim Acosta, Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon. Yes, I can count them on our hand.
rurallib
(62,413 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)beathimlikeadrum
(31 posts)Tapper is one of the worst at CNN. The man spread right wing conspiracies about Obama using the IRS to target conservatives, about the Hillary "Uranium One" garbage, and has slandered Biden any and every chance he gets.
SoFloDenny
(58 posts)"Biden's Fiasco". Heard that multiple times (re: Afghanistan) until I decided to stop watching Tapper.
calimary
(81,238 posts)Yeah, it starts sounding like a hard-sell sales pitch, doesn't it!
I'd suggest writing a complaint to CNN. Several ways listed here, phone numbers, offices,
https://www.wikihow.com/Contact-CNN
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Doc Sportello
(7,520 posts)I don't know if it will do any good but I at least want to voice my displeasure. It's interesting that the first two to get the ax (other than the perv lawyer) were two of the most open critics of the RW, especially Stelter since he would have felt duty bound to report the changes, so he had to go first.
calimary
(81,238 posts)appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)calimary
(81,238 posts)Overall, this is REALLY depressing to see.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)I thought he was a straight shooter..What conspiracy did he spread about Obama?
badhair77
(4,217 posts)He cant compete with her. Plus hes too much both sides for me. Im all for objectivity but he seems to go both sides so he can can claim hes neutral.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)I like Nicole a lot, but, based on a couple positive viewings of Tapper, considered using my DVR to record him..Not inclined to do so now.
brush
(53,776 posts)I used to think he was a straight shooter but he shifted right before CNN itself did.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)I only watched him a few times so I may have missed these things.
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)just to name a few that i can think of
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Marius25
(3,213 posts)That will be a big blow.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)For decades. Ill go where ever he goes.
Im so disappointed with CNN.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Dont spose Im gonna start anytime soon.
allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)Celerity
(43,349 posts)Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)
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Warpy
(111,255 posts)and fires anybody who starts to tell too much truth.
They're going to lose all their good anchors, not to mention their credibility. Zaslav seems to have no clue in the world where the political center lies. Clue phone, Dave, facts have a liberal bias.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/24/the-changes-at-cnn-look-politically-motivated-that-should-concern-us-all
moondust
(19,979 posts)Very good work.
hadEnuf
(2,190 posts)thing. This is a purge of anything not pro GOP.
CNN is purposely being destroyed from the inside.
Make no mistake about that.
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)rubbersole
(6,689 posts)Maybe not such a good time to imitate Faux. Their poster boy is going to go through some things. Just sayin'.
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)brush
(53,776 posts)are the only evening hosts who still have some credibility. Breanna Keillar in the early morning also. He partner, his name is escaping me right now, is ok but I like her better. She pulls no punches.
KS Toronado
(17,230 posts)Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)
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Jarqui
(10,123 posts)CNN is turning red.
The main broadcast networks did not carry President Biden's wonderful speech last night.
Democracy is hard to sustain without the media providing reliable facts and fair arbitration based upon the truth.
Republican sympathetic large corporations control 90+% of the US media.
I suspect this behavior is to help them hang on to their tax breaks and bump their ratings.
The place where a lot of the right wing conspiracies go to die are the courts. They die there because the semi-fascists can't lie there without getting nailed for perjury and because the courts are focused on verifiable facts - something the MAGAts rarely have.
The internet is still the wild west frontier right now.
Maybe we need a more concerted effort to fight back there.
Pound out the facts and the truth.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,932 posts)UTUSN
(70,686 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)John Harwood was one of the few people worth watching when he provided commentary
GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)Doc Sportello
(7,520 posts)He meant it had to do with politics but he then defended it followed that up with a defense.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)Submariner
(12,504 posts)of Way Too Early Show on MSNBC, to be paired as a point counter-point couple called Political Chatter.
I saw some tryout shows a couple of weeks ago. Very deceptive feeling.
brush
(53,776 posts)was when he was dancing on screen with Rove on a long ago election night. He was horrible on "Meet the Press" year ago. And you have to horrible to be replaced by Chuck Todd.
KC DC is also horrible. How do these mediocrities keep getting chance after chance?
question everything
(47,476 posts)I do remember him from pre-Murdoch WSJ. They had several financial columnists who were gone once Murdoch took over.
dchill
(38,488 posts)H2O Man
(73,537 posts)Recommended.
Huge surprise that a president would be "political." You'd expect them to be 100% a sports figure. Maybe a musician.
I think that President Biden's two most recent speeches were as great as they were necessary.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)No part of what he said was a lie or political.
The national needs to hear the TRUTH.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)retaliation for any comments he made about Joe Biden's speech.
But do continue....
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)He is bleeding newscasters in a drip, drip, drip fashion, keeping the issue center stage. They are visible so they count more than writers and producers in a public relations sense. He either figures out a way to stop this or he is gone. To that I would say don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Doc Sportello
(7,520 posts)He won't be gone. Somebody posted on another thread that Olbermann knew him from his MSNBC days and he said the guy was an amoral backstabber.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Has he ever worked with any one for whom he has a good word, and vice versa?
In contrast, Stephen Colbert praised Chris Licht to the skies when Licht got the CNN job. I trust his judgement over that of Keith Olbermann.
Earth-shine
(4,003 posts)So, CNN abruptly fires Stelton and Harwood, and you want to believe Licht is a good guy on our side?
Your box of rain is leaky.
KO is a serious guy and pundit. Colbert is a nice guy and might not know of or care about the specifics of the CNN issue. Maybe Colbert knows Licht only as being a Colbert producer.
KO says Licht was Scarborough's hatchet man, and I believe it.
You see, back then, when Scar had the 10PM slot, I thought he was smarmy, disgusting, right winger.
Meanwhile, in those days, KO was calling out bad elections in Ohio and trying to get Rachel Maddow hired.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Olbermann is a guy with some serious issues, who has alienated almost everyone he's ever worked with.
I'd place Stephen Colbert's estimation of good character far above Olbermann's. Not even a remotely close call. And he has the highest of praise for Chris Licht.
The quality of journalism at CNN has been pretty bad. I hope Licht rights the ship.
Time will tell.
Earth-shine
(4,003 posts)Here's what's real ...
Google this "licht meets with republicans"
Here's one link of many ...
https://lastnighton.com/2022/08/30/former-colbert-showrunner-faces-backlash-met-privately-with-republicans/
You actually expect a classy guy like Colbert to badmouth his producer? I'm sure they had a fine relationship.
But now Licht is changing the orientation of CNN.
I listen to KO's podcast every day. He's a serious pundit. Colbert is the best of late-night entertainment, but he's a guy who makes jokes.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)And the charge against the head of a news network that he *gasp* met with some Republicans, really isn't evidence that CNN has swung to the far-right. Not a bit.
We will have to disagree on the "seriousness" of Keith Olbermann and his notorious inability to work with others.
Earth-shine
(4,003 posts)I call you out -- show me a link that says anyone here said "CNN is a Nazi network."
Go on -- show me or shut up!
Licht has already fired Stelton and Harwood. But, you ignore that.
The only thing you base your opinion on is that nice guy Colbert wished his producer well in his new job. I expect nothing other than niceness from Colbert. I watch him frequently.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)rather than questioning my seriousness.
You are also wrong about Colbert's endorsement--which is effusive--being my only basis for evaluating Chris Licht.
I think he's right about wanting to raise the standards of journalism at CNN.
There was far too much of the non-stop disaster coverage alternating with "opinion" programming with far to little straight news at CNN during the Jeff Zucker for my taste.
Earth-shine
(4,003 posts)Now and forever, you will be on my ignore list.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Much appreciated.
Then maybe do a search (try CNN + Nazi) and see just how wrong you are.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Of how it is unfolding and the damage inflicted on the corporate image. He is being out maneuver.
Doc Sportello
(7,520 posts)It's part of a plan to supposedly bring in more RW viewpoints for "both siderism". Licht is just a hatchet man for the powers that be. Licht is not making the decisions. They are coming from above. So we will have more cable news with Faux news elements to normalize what is abnormal in our democracy. That is the problem.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)People are "inventing" fake quotes and others are engaging in ((((echo chamber)))) repetition of those inventions.
What's happened to critical thinking and healthy skepticism?
renate
(13,776 posts)Bye CNN. What a weird time for them to veer to the right.
moondust
(19,979 posts)I haven't seen her there in quite a while but she has been on MSNBC a lot lately.
Doc Sportello
(7,520 posts)Of course she is a legal expert brought in for commentary. They are getting rid of the anchors and reporters who included analysis that Malone thinks is partisan - you know like saying overthrowing democracy is bad and dump lies.
senseandsensibility
(17,026 posts)for what he said? I'm confused.
GreenWave
(6,738 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)All the best to him.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)It will turn into Fake News.
Rhiannon12866
(205,320 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,191 posts)appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)keeping anti-Democratic/anti-liberal spin light enough for uncritical viewers to miss, or be able to excuse. I spot deceit whenever I turn on shows hosted by RW agents and no doubt miss a bunch anyway.
Now more shift to the dark side as they bring in even more pros from Fox to join the ones already there spinning for wealthy conservative interests.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Scary times, I won't be watching them, msnbc it is.. I hardly watched any news at all today actually. Once again selling out their country for ratings etc. They and others gave the fascist free air time non stop during his nazi rallies.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)as you mention, played such a big part in creating Trump the Great Leader and swiftboating HRC and the entire Democratic Party in 2016. And of course after.
Their lineup has had a number of hosts and commentators literally brought over from Fox for some while now. In addition to other pros at spinning Democrat-complimentary facts into Democratic failures.
Now's just another step in their dance to keep Republicans in power.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Which I was a ware of but this is a step into deep fascism here- They are firing people for speaking out against fascism. What will come next.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)I hope your ratings tank instantly and they never increase again. Right wing nut jobs do not belong in the news business.
Fuck you, CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)But either way the last 20 yrs reporters have become celebrities & it was never supposed to be that way
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)before his contract ran, also Stelter. There's a hint that that's likely true in Harwood's statement that NOW he starts deciding where he goes next.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,932 posts)to find out what really happened behind the scenes, because they were fired too.
nowforever
(302 posts)Can make you cower and beg for more watchers. Real news stands up to bullies and hypocritical critics. CNN's leadership now embraces the notion that going down the middle means leaning right while waving the flag. Pitiful display of real journalism. John is a straight talking intelligent reporter...another step down for the NEW Fix Soft...network.
dlk
(11,563 posts)Going forward, neither I, nor anyone I know, will be watching. Its a shame an entitled and cranky billionaire can ruin an entire network; the facts and democracy lose.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)While Americans slept, the US lost democracy.. Wake the hell up people! I want out of here..
Doc Sportello
(7,520 posts)There have been a number of "I don't watch CNN so who cares" or "their ratings are low so who cares" type posts. Fact is CNN is still a player in our national discourse and watched and listened to by repub officials, as well as Democrats and moderates, and government workers. Despite its flaws it is considered a solid source for news by most people in power. The changes taking place there have nothing to do with ratings, "partisanship" or other BS excuses. It's a power play to influence our national narrative, pure and simple, that if successful is going to normalize the anti-democratic forces in this country and that is dangerous.
Thanks for your words and the post referring this thread.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)the US and around the world who follow CNN, aren't media experts and regard it as more neutral in approach than far rt channels. It's good to have as you say, esp. If Fox is blaring on a TV in a restaurant, auto dealer or bank and customers can ask mgmt. to switch it to CNN.
How's that going to play, and viewership in general when the majority is unaware of a new shift to Fox- Lite. I also hope that Licht won't turn out to be a media version of Louis DeJoy, or worse, after reading several comments above. We'll find out soon. TC. - Hillbilly Hippie.
Takket
(21,564 posts)Link to tweet
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"ideologically neutral" is a bullshit term meaning "right wing".
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)
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