****1/6 Committee Hearings Day 7, thread THREE****

[BumRushDaShow]

(THREAD 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216916119)


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[Lars39]

1. Thanks!

[Ohio Joe]

2. Annnnd... We are back

[BumRushDaShow]

3. ****THE COMMITTEE HAS RETURNED FROM BREAK AND HAS STARTED***

[Hermit-The-Prog]

4. Are you licensed for THREE? Thank you!

[nolabear]

5. This is going to be something to see. Oath Breakers.

Wonder what kind of protection they’ve got.

[whathehell]

123. Is the Ex-Oathkeeper publicly testifying today?

[ancianita]

6. The Oath Keeper, Proud Boys and 3 Percenters quickly mobilize with each other

and Michael Flynn (batshit military) and Patrick Byrne (batshit corporate) and Roger Stone (batshit law).

[SheltieLover]

7. Ty for these threads!

[Lars39]

8. Encrypted chat...Friends of Roger Stone

[crickets]

13. Yep. "Friends of Stone" - here we go with Roger Stone's connection to this. nt

[livetohike]

9. FOS - Friends of Stone. Showing video of Rhodes (Oathkeeper)

calling for violence.

[crickets]

10. Kelly Meggs, FL Oathkeepers

https://heavy.com/news/kelly-meggs/

Kelly Meggs: Florida Man, Oath Keepers Leader Charged in Capitol Riots

Kelly Meggs of Dunnellon, Florida was a “team leader” of the Oath Keepers group who stormed the U.S. Capitol in a “stack” military formation, the FBI alleges.

The U.S. Department of Justice announced Friday, February 19, 2021 that Meggs was indicted in the riots, along with eight other people that belong to the Oath Keepers. Meggs, 52, was arrested in Ocala, Florida following the filing of a superseding indictment. Also charged were Graydon Young, 54, of Englewood, Florida, Kelly Meggs’ wife, Connie Meggs, 59, of Dunnellon, Florida, Laura Steele, 52, of Thomasville, North Carolina, Sandra Ruth Parker, 62, and Bennie Alvin Parker, 70, both of Morrow, Ohio. Young was arrested Monday in Tampa, Florida, Connie Meggs was arrested along with Kelly Meggs Wednesday in Ocala, Steele was arrested Wednesday in Greensboro, North Carolina, and the Parkers were arrested Thursday. The indictment details evidence of the group’s plot and text messages between its members.

Kelly Meggs allegedly wrote a post on Facebook in late December, which said “Trump wants us to make it wild” and told people to pack their bags for Washington, DC, planning to have between 50,000 to 100,000 people attending, according to the criminal complaint filed in the case. [more]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/defendants/meggs-kelly

MEGGS, Kelly
Case Number:
1:22-cr-15
Charge(s):
Seditious conspiracy and other charges. See accompanying indictment that was filed 1/12/2022. The case now has a new case number, as indicated.

[livetohike]

25. Rep. Murphy: the Pres met with various Republican

members of Congress. Reading part of e-mail from Mo Brooks.

[FakeNoose]

11. If Pat Cipollone really stood up to Chump, like he says he did

... he would have been fired just as Bill Barr was fired.

How does Cipollone explain the fact that he wasn't fired? He says he quit on January 6th. I don't think he was such a hero, and I don't believe he stood up to Chump.

Mike Pence told Chump "no" right to his face and that took some courage.

I'm taking Cippollone's testimony with a grain of salt because I don't believe he contradicted Chump at all. I think he sat in his chair and kept quiet. Maybe he argued with the crazy Kraken lawyers, but never against Chump.

[livetohike]

12. On Jan 6th Stone was guarded by two Oathkeepers.

Showed a pic.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Raskin doing various clips of the Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, and 3%ers

along with "FOS" (Friends of Stone) to provide security for him.

And now Raskin is showing Stone's direct link to the Oathkeepers (went through the first level of initiation into the group)!

[ancianita]

15. Florida sent more attackers on Jan 6 than any other state.

[RAB910]

22. Fascist Ron DeSantis is no doubt proud

[FakeNoose]

91. A lot came from Pennsylvania too

We have more than our share of stupid red-neck ChumpHumpers.

[oswaldactedalone]

16. Stone

Was in the process of joining the Oath Keepers.

[SMC22307]

17. RW groups prepared to use violence against anyone, including the National Guard.

[Lars39]

18. Kudos to Mrs. Murphy...doing a great job!

[nolabear]

27. She is. And I know little about her.

[Lars39]

31. From Florida iirc

[LetMyPeopleVote]

19. This testimony is scary

Link to tweet

[SheltieLover]

54. Their intentions are scary. That they are still free is unconscionable

[crickets]

90. It's reassuring that there were Twitter employees paying attention

and trying to take action. That they couldn't, and that tfg kept his account for so long, is unconscionable. Twitter should be held to account for that. Their business is not more important than the country itself.

[IcyPeas]

20. no secret

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Showing draft January 6 45 tweet that was at the National Archives

[blogslug]

28. that seems like a big deal to me

Link to tweet

Scott MacFarlane @MacFarlaneNews

Committee shows draft Trump tweet obtained from Natl Archives:

"I will be making a Big Speech at 10AM on January 6th at the Ellipse... Please arrive early, massive crowds expected. March to the Capitol after. Stop the Steal!!"

[ancianita]

32. That and the aide evidence that everyone in the WH knew in advance of Trump's

Plan To March & KEPT MUM.

DEC 21 meeting results in various pardons being sought. They KNEW they were breaking multiple laws.

And Cipollone ONLY spoke to what the VP couldn't do. He didn't shut down any plans to march at that point.

[crickets]

45. Yep. The march was NOT spontaneous but a deliberate strategy. nt

[EndlessWire]

23. I want to hear

how Ginni got the buses together. Just bring her into the conversation. Nothing heavy, just bring her up.

[SMC22307]

24. Fucking Kylie Kremer, Stop the Steal whacko.

[MLAA]

51. She ince$ herself saying she would be in big trouble if it came out she planned the March to capitol

since she did not get a permit. She should be indicted.

[Novara]

26. ooooooo, now we're getting into the corrupt congressassholes

[demtenjeep]

29. Boom there it is

dotard

linked to the riot

[uponit7771]

40. Yep, that's what I'm hearing!! Two oath keepers new truck was going to call people to the Capitol

[Bucky]

41. This is the deal closer. Trump fully cooperated and clearly spearheaded call to armed insurrection

We've just listened to the most important 5 minutes of the committee hearings.

[Novara]

30. THEY HAVE BEEN NAMED

[Lars39]

34. Yes!

Rats in the meeting

[FarPoint]

42. I love it!

Gym Jordan too!

[herding cats]

64. Here's the list for those who missed it.

NEW: According to white house visitor logs: Biggs, Gaetz, Gohmert, Gosar, Harris, Hice, Jordan, Perry, and Greene were at the 12/21 meeting. These MoC were discussing the "Eastman theory". CIPOLLONE CONFIRMED ALL OF THIS in his testimony that the Eastman theory had no validity

Link to tweet

[crickets]

70. 👆👆 Thank you! nt

[BumRushDaShow]

33. WHOLE PILE of members of insurrectionist members of Congress in a meeting

discussing the "Eastman Theory".

[SheltieLover]

56. Lock. Them. Up.

[Mersky]

35. Was known on Jan 4th that tRump would "unexpectedly" call for a march to the Capitol

As shown in a text from Kremer to pillow guy Lindell

[SMC22307]

36. December 21st meeting with congressmen and Marg3Toes...

to discuss the Eastman theory.

[uponit7771]

37. I here correctly, 2 oath keepers *KNEW* TFG was going to call people To the capital beforehand?

[Novara]

38. HERE IT IS

Link to tweet

[ancianita]

47. Yep. Right there. The commander's orders.

[uponit7771]

87. ***BINGO!!!***

[NightWatcher]

39. Am I stoned or did I hear them say they were going next to the Supreme Court after the Capitol?

Ummmmm, WTF. How are people not in prison today?

[Iwasthere]

61. Cuffs should have come out several hearings ago

Proof is piling up higher and higher, yet they're still walking free. The day after tomorrow all the headline news will be of a new poll showing Bidens high disapproval ratings. WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE? FOR GODS SAKE. I am baffled.

[sinkingfeeling]

43. Unfortunately, I have to leave for an appointment. I'll have to see the

Proud Boy and Oath Keeper testify in a re-run.

[livetohike]

44. Cippolone: I think VP Pence did the right thing. n/t

[Novara]

46. BALLGAME

Link to tweet

[SMC22307]

48. Patsy Baloney heaping praise on Mike Pence...

thinks he deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[ancianita]

52. Yep. I still hold that Cipollone should not be let off as some "good guy."

[SheltieLover]

59. Absolutely!

He knew. Lock him up.

[SMC22307]

62. Agree completely. He's a lawyer and chooses his words carefully,

but damn he's REALLY choosing them carefully during this testimony. I want to know why he wasn't allowed in that meeting with Trump, Guiliani and Flynn - screw "privilege." I guess Trump told him to GTFO.

[ancianita]

71. He SAID "I decided not to go." But he wanted to, as Hutchinson said, but she warned him off.

Imagine an aide telling the constitutional cop not to engage with conspirers!

But he wouldn't tell the Jan 6 counsel WHY he decided not to go.

[FakeNoose]

117. I agree! If he had stood up to Chump he would have been fired just like Bill Barr was

See my response #11. Pat Cipollone was no hero, no matter what he says now.

[Delphinus]

59. Yeah,

that was my thought too. The Medal of Freedom for doing the right thing? I should get one for various things in my career then.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Playing Bannon clip

[crickets]

63. It's obscene to hear him talking about Jan 6 this way beforehand. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

85. It's obscene to hear him talk at all!!

[catbyte]

50. I call bullshit on awarding Pence the Presidential Medal of Freedom for doing his goddamned JOB.

And he's been a sniveling coward before and after January 6.

[livetohike]

53. There was a rally on Jan 5 with speakers who were

considered too extreme to be on stage with Trump on Jan 6.

[SMC22307]

55. Fat Nixon in a VERY good mood the evening of January 5th enjoying a RWNJ concert on the Ellipse...

insistent that he can make RINOs do what he wants the next day.

[livetohike]

57. Showing video of Roger Stone speaking at Jan 5th rally.

A clip from Flynn too.

[ancianita]

66. So far no Jan 6 counsel have asked WHY Cipollone didn't go to the meeting when he said,

" I just decided not to go." THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. HE KNEW they were conspiring to break the Law. He knew that Trump knew, too.

[SMC22307]

81. I think they did ask but he answered with "privilege." (I think... trying to keep up.)

He was in the Oval Office then out of the Oval Office but wouldn't answer as to why. Trump must have ordered him to GTFO.

[Novara]

58. goddammit, I keep having to mute

[Marthe48]

65. Trying to keep the sound on

The more ears, the more memories

[crickets]

82. Same. Alex Jones screaming '1776!' was just vomit inducing. nt

[Scrivener7]

67. They're doing a great job, but wow. This is emotionally difficult to watch.

[question everything]

75. It is. And hard to imagine that they may have succeeded.

[SheltieLover]

79. Even harder to reconcile fact they are still all walking free

[livetohike]

68. The committee has multiple drafts of the speech Trump was writing on

Jan 5

[catbyte]

69. Ah, the "Antifa" lie...

[NewHendoLib]

76. Yup.

[Lars39]

72. First time I've heard Stephen Miller's name mentioned

[SMC22307]

73. Oh goody, here comes the Radical Left and Antifa. FU, RWNJ Debbie Lesko.

[IcyPeas]

74. Pence has been awfully quiet these days

[Lars39]

77. Stephen Miller testimony

Removed lines about Pence from speech

[crickets]

107. And when tfg couldn't get Pence to play along in a phone call that day (Jan 6)

before the speech, he wanted the lines to be put back in. Lots of last minute ad libs as well, including the bit about joining the march.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

78. Just flipped to local broadcast Fox station, on there, too ...

Flipped back and forth between local ABC and Fox (same owner here) -- video of the deposition just before Stone, Jones rally stuff clear on ABC, intermittent pops on Fox. No idea if deliberate or just caused by the local broadcaster's network feed.

[NewHendoLib]

80. Yuck. Stephen Miller. Yet another major loser.

[SMC22307]

83. A staffer contradicting Ivaaaaanka. LOL (n/t)

[livetohike]

84. Showing ad lib changes Trump made to the Jan 6

speech.

[NewHendoLib]

86. "only the worst people on parade" today. Gross

[ancianita]

88. Cipollone didn't show up at the speech and didn't review or okay it, either.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

89. Production note: Hearing started a bit slow, has been BUILDING ever since

[livetohike]

92. Ayres came forward voluntarily. n/t

[SMC22307]

93. Jesus, Brad Parscale, a semi-sane voice of reason. (n/t)

[Lars39]

94. Witnesses Van Tatenhove and Ayers sworn in

[SMC22307]

97. Here we go...

[BumRushDaShow]

95. Thompson introducing the witnesses - being sworn in

one a supporter and the other a former spokesman for the Oathkeepers.

[ARPad95]

104. tRump has got to be very jealous of the size of Mr Ayers' right hand.

[regnaD kciN]

96. "ELMER Stewart Rhodes"...

[Lars39]

103. Momma watched way too much Bugs Bunny!

[Mersky]

98. Pierson: It wasn't the rhetoric (that killed the woman)

Parscale texted back, “Katrina. Yes it was”

[SheltieLover]

115. Been waiting for Parscale's name to surface.

Lock him up!

[crickets]

116. That was chilling. nt

[livetohike]

99. Oath Keepers were at the Bundy Ranch. That long ago? Wow.

[SMC22307]

112. This dude was a "journalist" covering the Bundy Ranch? Eventually hired by Oath Keepers.

Elmer Stewart Rhodes dangerous for America. Violence. Lies. Deceit. Intimidation. Rhetoric. Propaganda. Admits he was swept up at one point. Broke with the Oath Keepers at a grocery store talking about how the Holocaust wasn't real. Hmm.

[BumRushDaShow]

100. Jason Van Tatenhove - first witness answering qustions

Started out at the first Bundy ranch standoff.

[Bucky]

101. What are Oathkeepers? Bundy followers, fans of standoffs vs federal LEOs

"oathkeeper" is an American term meaning "Sturmabteilung"

[Novara]

102. these motherfuckers started after Bundy

We were predicting that going easy on that motherfucker would be very, very bad. And now we are here.

GODDAMMIT

[SheltieLover]

119. Coddling only serves to embolden. Lock them all up!

[Scrivener7]

105. Van Tatenhove got all dressed up. Such a show of respect.

[IcyPeas]

109. I was wondering too what his tee shirt says and what his buttons say...

[crickets]

120. I try not to judge people by their clothes, but I don't understand

why he showed up to testify before Congress in a t-shirt and jean jacket. To give van Tatenhove credit, though, he did show up to testify and can speak clearly and cogently about the Oath Keepers.

eta By contrast, Ayers got a haircut and wore a suit, but still has occasional difficulty expressing himself as clearly. It's a lesson in not judging a book by its cover.

[Novara]

106. THERY'RE NOT A MILITIA! THEY'RE A TERRORIST GROUP!

[Maraya1969]

108. What does his tattoo say on his forehead? Jason Van Tatenhove

And why do people get tattoos on their face????

[BumRushDaShow]

110. ****THREAD FOUR IS UP****

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216916650

[ancianita]

111. Jason Van Tatenhove: The Oath Keepers ARE Stewart Rhodes,

Last edited Wed Jul 13, 2022, 06:21 PM - Edit history (1)

a dangerous militia driven by Stuart Rhodes.

Their vision doesn't include Rule of Law; it does include violence, winning through lies, deceit and getting their way through violence.

Van T's being "swept up" mindset was broken in a store where other OK's were talking about the Holocaust not being real.

[Scrivener7]

113. So this guy thought Bundy was just great and that made him join them. "I probably should

have broke with them before I did."

Ya think?

[livetohike]

114. "I probably should have broke with them much earlier

than I did.” They were talking about how the Holocaust was not real.

[livetohike]

118. Ayres: I was hardcore into social media following Trump

and decided to come to the Stop the Steal rally.

[Jade Fox]

121. Stephanie Murphy making me tear up....

[rurallib]

122. Merrick Garland, what more do you need?

Draw up those indictments and kick it into gear