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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 07:21 PM Apr 2022

This is the reason I am still wearing a mask.

Pandemics do not have time lines. They definitely don't come with a two year time line. This pandemic is not over yet, the virus is still mutating, still spreading. The infection rate is still high. We don't know what it will do next. When I see the infection rate drop below 1%, then I will feel comfortable not wearing a mask.

Simple commonsense. Hopefully, someday soon it will become like the seasonal flu. I don't think it will ever completely disappear.

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This is the reason I am still wearing a mask. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Apr 2022 OP
Ditto! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2022 #1
I'm happy to keep on masking too. We shall Quakerfriend Apr 2022 #2
Thanks, I am feeling a little better. fightforfreedom Apr 2022 #9
Agree 100% MiniMe Apr 2022 #3
We are still masking n95 everywhere Meowmee Apr 2022 #4
Got all my boosters & still masking,n95's I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #7
I am type 1 D Meowmee Apr 2022 #10
I'm diabetic too so I'm worried about getting a bad case. I wear an N95 most of the time now. liberal_mama Apr 2022 #19
To be honest I think if I caught covid I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #39
Better safe than sorry underpants Apr 2022 #5
Where do you get your infection statistics and information? The CDC changed... keep_left Apr 2022 #6
I use the NY covid dashboard site. fightforfreedom Apr 2022 #11
I haven't been able to find it. wnylib Apr 2022 #22
Erie County, NY posts a daily case count and percentages. It's terrible today, 24.3% positivity liberal_mama Apr 2022 #61
You're in Erie County? wnylib Apr 2022 #72
Yeah, unfortunately in Erie County, we got upgraded last week to high transmission! liberal_mama Apr 2022 #77
I am not immune compromised, wnylib Apr 2022 #80
The hospitalizations in Erie County have been going up, but not at a huge rate yet. We had 20 new liberal_mama Apr 2022 #117
Cases like your daughter's first man wnylib Apr 2022 #119
Do you use any national sites? Can you share any links? keep_left Apr 2022 #30
I haven't had any kind of respiratory infection in 2 1/2 years. I'd like to keep it that way... hlthe2b Apr 2022 #8
It's scary how many people believe masks don't work. fightforfreedom Apr 2022 #12
I agree with everything you said. rsdsharp Apr 2022 #13
Me too. MuseRider Apr 2022 #14
👍👍👍 Rebl2 Apr 2022 #15
Me too! geardaddy Apr 2022 #16
I'm still wearing a mask too. My county is at "high" transmission and positivity rate is 22% today liberal_mama Apr 2022 #17
Haven't worn a mask in a couple months at least. beaglelover Apr 2022 #18
Well... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #28
That's pretty sobering, thanks for sharing (nt) Pluvious Apr 2022 #31
I was still working in the same spot all day. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #35
Best wishes, friend Pluvious Apr 2022 #36
Best wishes to you as well. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #37
Just sending some good vibes, Lucky. hamsterjill Apr 2022 #70
Aw, thanks so much, hamsterjill. I'm feeling ok, but LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #71
Dang, good luck LC! electric_blue68 Apr 2022 #74
You're very kind. Thank you for your post. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #78
That's scary. Sending you many positive vibes mvd Apr 2022 #94
That's scary. I'm very happy both you and your mom LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #96
+ about a million! Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2022 #47
We feel the same way about you. Iggo Apr 2022 #32
You just shake your head, huh? thucythucy Apr 2022 #43
Lots of judgement and virtue signalling going on hueymahl Apr 2022 #84
"Virtue signaling?" thucythucy May 2022 #124
Everyone should follow the science. Period. hueymahl May 2022 #125
The science says that Covid is still out there thucythucy May 2022 #126
I don't disagree in principle hueymahl May 2022 #127
K&R Auggie Apr 2022 #20
I'm glad you are doing what you think is right for you hueymahl Apr 2022 #21
Amen! beaglelover Apr 2022 #23
Wearing a mask is more to protect others than yourself. thucythucy Apr 2022 #44
Exactly. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2022 #48
it is disgusting Skittles Apr 2022 #50
Hardly hueymahl Apr 2022 #56
when you only about yourself Skittles Apr 2022 #76
Again, hardly hueymahl Apr 2022 #81
The problem is that my choice to wear a mask impacts no one but me. Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #45
We are also supposed to be the party of freedom hueymahl Apr 2022 #53
Nope, we're not the party of freedom. Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #54
Wow, I disagree with almost everything you said. hueymahl Apr 2022 #55
Go search for sentiments like the statement I identified as a right-wing talking point. Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #63
Red Herring much? hueymahl Apr 2022 #64
hueymahl...I don't think anyone is accussing you of being a right-winger, but LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #85
Really? hueymahl Apr 2022 #87
I get exhausted too. Let me try again. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #89
Well, I'm not going to call you a liar hueymahl Apr 2022 #91
You think DU is an echo chamber? LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #92
I think it is in certain areas and topics hueymahl Apr 2022 #95
I understand your point, but a lot of this has to do with DU rules. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #98
Any Disagreement RobinA Apr 2022 #109
Yeah, and that's a shame hueymahl Apr 2022 #110
Amen, again! beaglelover Apr 2022 #59
Why? LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #86
Agree Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #106
I don't even know where to begin, so I'll just ask... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #107
Polling Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #108
Thanks for the link and data. n/t LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #111
Worldometer is still keeping score of its deadly progress. Swede Apr 2022 #24
I used to be a big fan of Worldometers - Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #46
I still wear a mask mgardener Apr 2022 #25
Good data is impossible zipplewrath Apr 2022 #26
Yep no mask equals no quarantine. live love laugh Apr 2022 #51
I Was Born and Raised in Japan, Where People Wore Masks if They Had a Cold or the Flu panfluteman Apr 2022 #27
I am a substitute teacher and today taught a kindergarten class kimbutgar Apr 2022 #29
You probably should stop substitute teaching then hueymahl Apr 2022 #82
We have these microphone that we wear around and use to amplify our voices kimbutgar Apr 2022 #104
hueymahl, isn't referring to the kids not being able to hear the teachers. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2022 #116
Not good enough hueymahl Apr 2022 #121
Kids at "that age"? What age? Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2022 #115
I am a teacher hueymahl Apr 2022 #120
I'm a teacher, as well, and I disagree with your conclusions. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2022 #123
As for myself & family, "in public places, masks on faces." Jack-o-Lantern Apr 2022 #33
i know someone who claims they are copd . they make it out to what it isnt . AllaN01Bear Apr 2022 #34
Just turned 71. Had a mild case of COVID... 3catwoman3 Apr 2022 #38
Thanks..my 90 yr old parents just went for booster...my dad said " have to RestoreAmerica2020 Apr 2022 #40
Thanks..my 90 yr old parents just went for booster...my dad said " have to RestoreAmerica2020 Apr 2022 #41
I'm with ya. Wear one anytime I am in "public." My teenagers wear one at school even though optional Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #42
I'm not a stupid, selfish asshole Skittles Apr 2022 #49
Thank you for this. thucythucy Apr 2022 #52
Cases are going up again in my area Tree Lady Apr 2022 #57
Mr AC and I volunteered at a sporting event. AllyCat Apr 2022 #58
Me, too mvd Apr 2022 #60
So... you wear a mask outside? maxsolomon Apr 2022 #62
whatever they need to do to feel safe is fine with me Skittles Apr 2022 #68
I was asking the OP because they were vague about when & where. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #69
That's great. Now, explain to me why I should take my mask off while alone in my car LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #90
you shouldn't. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #101
More times than I can count, and I don't know why. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #105
Jeezle Petes! maxsolomon Apr 2022 #112
A lot close talkers here in NYS, max LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #114
I haven't worn a mask since January. SoonerPride Apr 2022 #65
I am still wearing my mask LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #66
I caught it during a low part of the wave August 2020... JCMach1 Apr 2022 #67
The only place I see everyone masked is medical facilities. RaDaR63 Apr 2022 #73
It's just mind boggling - I went to a business conference today and it was just like pre-COVID Midwestern Democrat Apr 2022 #75
Exactly hueymahl Apr 2022 #83
So, are you defaulting to an argument that says... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #93
Don't wonder too much, it's pretty simple. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #88
Unmasked people are the crowds. RaDaR63 Apr 2022 #99
I'm not calling them right wing. Iggo Apr 2022 #103
According to statistics at Worldometer.info the infection rate in the US is 0.5% Jack the Greater Apr 2022 #79
Good to hear you are doing what makes you feel more secure. Celerity Apr 2022 #97
I am still wearing a mask too.. Stuart G Apr 2022 #100
the coast will never be clear. it will never be over 100%. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #102
5 and 7 people died in my city of Ventura CA in each of the last couple of days. My mask stays on. ZonkerHarris Apr 2022 #113
Me and my entire family are with you 100%. BeckyDem Apr 2022 #118
I carry one with me but most people have stopped wearing them.. I put it on in crowded Demovictory9 Apr 2022 #122

Quakerfriend

(5,450 posts)
2. I'm happy to keep on masking too. We shall
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 07:24 PM
Apr 2022

see where this latest spike takes us.

Btw, I hope you’re feeling better since the surgery

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
9. Thanks, I am feeling a little better.
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 07:39 PM
Apr 2022

The surgery was brutal. I still have no feeling on the right side of my face. The swelling has gone down some and most of the bruises have gone away. I am know eating like a horse which is a good sign. The doctor said it will take months for my face to return to normal.

Tomorrow I get the test results to see if the melanoma spread.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
4. We are still masking n95 everywhere
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 07:26 PM
Apr 2022

I don’t think it’s ever going to be like seasonal flu because it’s already way more deadly than most flu strains and it has long-term effects which flu has not had. I had some heart damage now I found oit from having double c pneumonia at the start and other effects still.

Hopefully it will get down to the level where I can feel safe that I don’t have to mask everywhere. We saw a report the other night, I think on CNN, that 40% of the current deaths are in people who are vaccinated but not boosted.

I am going to get my next booster in mid May to June so I will hopefully be protected for the summer and entire fall semester. I’m going to try Moderna booster this time because my hematologist said it could give me protection against the strains that Pfizer did not work as well for apparently.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,470 posts)
7. Got all my boosters & still masking,n95's
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 07:34 PM
Apr 2022

Got diabeties,covid would do a number on my ass if I caught it. So, I'm not taking any chances.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
10. I am type 1 D
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 07:40 PM
Apr 2022

I survived it with double pneumonia but I have damage. I never want I go through it again if I can avoid it.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
19. I'm diabetic too so I'm worried about getting a bad case. I wear an N95 most of the time now.
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 08:34 PM
Apr 2022

Sometimes a KF94 if I'm going into a lower risk situation and it's hot outside.

Lately, cases are really high in my area though so an N95 is needed.

I had a family member who always said that she felt like if she caught Covid that she would die. Then she caught Covid and her instincts were right. She died! I think that really warped my mind and now I'm so paranoid as she was healthier than me and not diabetic!

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,470 posts)
39. To be honest I think if I caught covid
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 09:50 PM
Apr 2022

I would die or come out of it with severe damage to my body or long covid.I shudder to think how much worse my ptsd and mental illness would get after the ordeal.

underpants

(182,818 posts)
5. Better safe than sorry
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 07:31 PM
Apr 2022

It’s amazing how people have allowed themselves to be convinced not to follow that.

keep_left

(1,783 posts)
6. Where do you get your infection statistics and information? The CDC changed...
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 07:31 PM
Apr 2022

...some of the ways they're measuring things now and I find it really confusing. I'm looking for some other sites than I've been using.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
61. Erie County, NY posts a daily case count and percentages. It's terrible today, 24.3% positivity
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 02:37 PM
Apr 2022

We are in "high" transmission and most people are running around maskless. It's surreal.

wnylib

(21,468 posts)
72. You're in Erie County?
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:45 PM
Apr 2022

I am near you. People here travel to Buffaloo and back daily, so I expect that it has reached us, too.

The last I heard about Erie County, they were in the CDC's moderate range of infection, but at the rate you posted, it must be in the high category now. Those are the same infection figures that existed in the original omicron wave.

People here do not wear masks, either. I bought some groceries today and saw only 3 other people in the store wearing masks.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
77. Yeah, unfortunately in Erie County, we got upgraded last week to high transmission!
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 10:49 PM
Apr 2022

It's very frustrating because I was hoping for a nice spring/summer lull after the terrible first Omicron surge.

My husband is an essential worker who got Covid during the Omicron surge in January. I'm immune compromised and so sick of not being able to go anywhere without worry.

This is what was on Erie County's DOH Facebook page this morning:

ECDOH confirmed 716 new COVID-19 cases for April 25, and 4,121 total cases over the past 7 days.
Total new cases per 100,000 Erie County residents over the past 7 days: 432.
Total cases through April 25: 224,407. Positivity rate was 24.3%. 7-day positivity rate was 18.5%.
The CDC has updated Erie County’s COVID-19 community level to “high.”

wnylib

(21,468 posts)
80. I am not immune compromised,
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 11:03 PM
Apr 2022

but if I do get it, I am at a higher risk of a severe case, even though I am vaccinated and have had both Moderna boosters.

So I wear an N95 in all indoor settings (except inside my spartment), avoid crowds, and continue to sanitize.

Have covid hospitalizations increased in Erie County? I know there is a lag time for that. With the vaccines, boosters, and number of people previously infected, I think that hospitalizations will not go up much. But, even a mild or moderate case can do long lasting harm.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
117. The hospitalizations in Erie County have been going up, but not at a huge rate yet. We had 20 new
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 05:35 PM
Apr 2022

hospitalizations overnight. I think there are 130 people in the hospital right now with Covid. I'm not sure if the hospitals will get overwhelmed like they were with the first Omicron due to Paxlovid being available to high risk people. However, I've read some stories online about some people having symptoms return and testing positive again after finishing their course of pills.

My major worry besides hospitalization and death is Long Covid and long term health effects.

Erie County has been hit hard during previous outbreaks and I know quite a few people who have long Covid now, including the best man at my daughter's 2019 wedding. He was in his mid 20s when he got Covid and very healthy. He can barely walk across a room now without getting winded. He had a pretty mild case and didn't need hospitalization, but he has all these long term issues and he was originally infected in March 2020.

wnylib

(21,468 posts)
119. Cases like your daughter's first man
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 06:16 PM
Apr 2022

are what I think about with each new surge. So many people harmed by covid, and yet people treat it so lightly.

NPR reported this morning that more Americans have had it than not. Around 60% of the population. They said it so lightly, like it was the latest fad to join in order to be cool.

Too little attention is being given to the long term effects.

keep_left

(1,783 posts)
30. Do you use any national sites? Can you share any links?
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 09:09 PM
Apr 2022

I am looking for at least one site similar to CovidActNow but hopefully where some of the old numbers (infection rate, etc.) are still easy to get. The CovidActNow site changed everything as soon as the CDC did and now is not nearly as helpful. What is helpful about it is that it covers the whole nation.

hlthe2b

(102,282 posts)
8. I haven't had any kind of respiratory infection in 2 1/2 years. I'd like to keep it that way...
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 07:36 PM
Apr 2022

both for me and my patients. A face mask, even a well-fitted surgical mask does make a difference.

rsdsharp

(9,182 posts)
13. I agree with everything you said.
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 07:48 PM
Apr 2022

I’ve stayed alive for the last two plus years, through six visits to the ER, three hospitalizations, five surgeries, and countless doctor visits to I’m not even sure how many separate specialists in varied specialties. I’m not about to blow that now, because I wish I didn’t have to wear a mask. Especially when the doctor now walks into the room without a mask, and then apologizes and puts one on.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
14. Me too.
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 08:03 PM
Apr 2022

I just had my second booster and feel pretty good about being protected but...my heart is not great yet and my breathing is a mess. SO, I have those reasons but the other main reason is that I am smart and aware and a former health care provider with years of education who knows what could be coming.

When it is endemic and we can treat it like the flu then things may be different but as long as there are incubators out there with risky behavior we will be on our toes. The next ball to drop could be just great but it could also be just horrible.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
17. I'm still wearing a mask too. My county is at "high" transmission and positivity rate is 22% today
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 08:28 PM
Apr 2022

I envy those that live in areas where rates are low, but my county has been hit hard so many times, despite a really good vaccination rate.

I wore a 3M Aura N95 to the store yesterday, which was good because I ran into a person that I'm 99% sure actually had Covid. This person's nose was running like a faucet, actually dripping onto their shirt, and they were coughing like crazy. They were buying cough medicine! No mask, of course, but they did have a mask in their pocket, which they pulled out and blew their nose into the mask and then put it back in their pocket. I was so disgusted.

beaglelover

(3,486 posts)
18. Haven't worn a mask in a couple months at least.
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 08:28 PM
Apr 2022

Fully vaxed and boosted. My life is pretty much back to 2019 normal. I will wear a mask when/where it is required. I still see people walking alone outside down the sidewalk with a mask on and I just shake my head.

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
28. Well...
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 09:02 PM
Apr 2022

I spent most of the week outside working. Cleaning up storm damage.

Talking to a young man who tested positive for Covid 6 hours after I was speaking to him. Got a call from his mom who was calling everyone who came in contact with him.

That's why I wear a mask outside. Sometimes people walk up to you, get a foot or less away from you, and start talking to you, because that's the way human nature is.

Additionally, if I am out running errands, I'll leave my mask on while driving, because it has this complicated head gear, and if I take it off, it takes me 5 minutes to fit it properly again. So I get looks, I get people pointing and laughing at me when stopped at red lights.

Many people have specific conditions that could mean almost certain death for them should they get Covid, no matter which strain of Covid.

If you don't have such conditions, and what life is like for people like us, then you wouldn't understand. Imagine how these people feel every minute of their lives. I see scorn on people's faces all of the time because I'm wearing a mask. It's not a good feeling.

Edited to add: I've had all 4 shots. I have no idea if they "took", because sometimes the vaccines can be ineffective if you have certain immune related disorders.

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
35. I was still working in the same spot all day.
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 09:21 PM
Apr 2022

Had my phone in my pocket. Didn't even fish it out of my pocket because I had thick work gloves on. I didn't hear any voice mail beep, but they kept calling, and calling, and calling...so I finally dug out the phone, saw who it was, and answered it.

Shook me up a bit. And now I'm paranoid about it because I have a cough.

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
37. Best wishes to you as well.
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 09:32 PM
Apr 2022

Thank you for your kind words.

I'm really in a funk about all of this. I'm an active person...not in an exercise type of way, but in a manual labor type of way.

Had an "episode" a few weeks ago...what I believed to be an ocular migraine. Specialist told me late last week that it was most likely a stroke that hit my occipital brain lobe.

Saw primary care today. So tomorrow, I get bloodwork, carotid doppler, and a Holter monitor. In process of getting pre-auth from insurance company for MRI of my brain.

In the mean time...I get to read about how happy people are they don't have to mask up anymore.

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
71. Aw, thanks so much, hamsterjill. I'm feeling ok, but
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:38 PM
Apr 2022

I'm still having some minor vision disturbances. Wearing my Holter monitor now, it comes off tomorrow at 230PM and then I have to mail it in. Got the carotid doppler ultrasound today as well, so the results are not in yet. Still waiting on the pre-authorization from my insurance company for the brain MRI, but I'm assuming I'll be getting that any time now.

I'm more freaked out than anything...when two docs tell you that what most likely happened was a stroke, it's pretty shocking.

I guess I'm fortunate in a way that it went to that part of my brain, because I don't have any typical stroke symptoms besides the vision problems and the brief period of vivid hallucinations. I had a piece of plaque lodged in my retina for years, a very small piece. When pics were taken of my retinas at my most recent exam, the plaque was gone. it could have dissolved, or it could have moved up to my brain. Now that I'm thinking about this while typing, whatever it was, I hope it was small, and I hope it resolves, because I'm thinking that a big piece of plaque or a blood clot to the occipital lobe could probably blind you.

I'm still working away, trying to keep my mind off it. Not much I can do about it anyway until I get some results back.

I'll remember your kind words.

electric_blue68

(14,906 posts)
74. Dang, good luck LC!
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 08:52 PM
Apr 2022

🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

My mom had one genuine mini-stroke, then 2 mild that turned out to be electrolyte imbalances.

While a stroke and a heart attack are different - one of my uncle's had a heart attack in his 50's. He changed his diet etc, never had another, and lived into his early 90's.

So you get your evaluations info find out what you need to do, and could have a good chance of free of that ever happening again.

While I'm not outdoorsy in the camping, and hiking way I love to walk in our parks, and gardens.(though I've lucky to visit some deep 💖 countryside of the USA)

And I enjoy if it's not overly crowded the hustle and bustle of NYC's streets. Architecture, different people, clothing & fashion, different independent, or small chain stores, and of course restaurants, and bakeries! Since I like many "ethnic" foods meat, vegetarian, and vegan I have a whole lot of lower on budget options.

So at 69 now restricting the first year 95% staying inside, after vaccines went to 90% - 85% inside, now the 2nd
booster especially as Spring here etc probably be %80 - %75. That's still a lot inside time. Luckily I love reading, doing art, doing various crafts at home.

I still double mask and distance. I won't eat indoors. So I miss my out & about freedom. At least it's better. 👍

Again, all the best! 🤞
I'll be checking for updates. 👍

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
78. You're very kind. Thank you for your post.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 10:58 PM
Apr 2022

It's interesting that you mentioned electrolyte imbalances. I had asked my primary care what she was looking for in my bloodwork, and she had mentioned "whacked out electrolytes".

I think my heart is pretty good. I have an irregular heartbeat, I think the condition is called PVCs, but it's nothing to be worried about according to my cardiologist. Also, for my age at 63, I can do an incredible amount of physical labor. It's what keeps me alive. I'll go 15 hour straight sometimes. I'm constantly getting yelled at by my primary care "YOU SHOULDN'T BE WORKING LIKE THAT MORE THAN 4 HOURS A DAY"!

But, it's how I live my life. My career was not as a carpenter, but I was formally trained as one, so I like doing carpentry work. You'll often hear that people employed as carpenters usually destroy their bodies by the time they are age 40, and that seems to be true. Since I don't do that work professionally 8 hours a day, it took me until my late 50's to destroy my body by doing a ton of home remodeling on my own house. There's not one thing in my modest home that I haven't remodeled. It makes me happy.

But now at this age, I often get a feeling of dread, because I know the day is coming where I'm going to need a cane, then a walker, then a wheelchair, then be bedridden. And that pretty much happens to us all, unless we are "lucky" enough to die suddenly. The minute I have to stop doing what I do, is the minute I start to die. I'm not sure if I could mentally handle it. I'm not strong in that way. So I guess I'm just trying to keep moving when perhaps I should be relaxing. It all boils down to this fear I have, almost a phobia, of being incapacitated. I wouldn't know how to live. I don't watch much TV, I don't read books (except for non-fiction stuff in order to learn about a skill that I want to acquire), I can't sit in a recliner without getting antsy, the only time I sit down at all is when I'm on the internet at my desktop PC, which is quite often.

I love taking my dog for a walk in the park, but there's so many people out there that don't follow the leash laws. My dog is just under 30 pounds, and he's shy. he's always getting harassed by these huge dogs that are off leash at the park, so I just walk him up and down the street now.

I think my point is that I would not know how to live other than the way I do. And yet, I know the time is coming, probably soon...

We seem to enjoy the same things...both the country and the city. And I love NYC! I'm a few hundred miles away from NYC. I've driven there quite a bit, and I've taken the bus quite a bit. I love the way the energy just slaps you in the face as soon as you walk out of Port Authority.

Our Covid restrictions are very similar. I've been getting out more, but mainly to medical appointments. I used to double mask, but now I just wear a well-fitted N95. I still won't eat inside restaurants, but I'll probably do some outside dining when it gets a bit warmer.

When I was at a medical appointment recently, I almost burst into tears because I received two beautiful compliments. One woman told me that I had a beautiful voice, very calming and soothing. Another told me how much she missed me. I was stunned, because I can't recall when I've received compliments like that, and it made me realize that interactions over Zoom, or text, or the telephone doesn't cut it. It made me realize how much I missed talking face-to-face with people, and how kind most people actually are.

I've never even fathomed myself having a stroke, or a heart attack, or cancer...but it's kind of sinking in the past few days that things are going to get rougher every year. It's inevitable, for everyone. I don't think I really fear death too much, but I am terrified of physically "not being here".

I really appreciate your post. As you can probably tell, I'm in a bit of a funk, so your words meant a lot to me.

Be well.

mvd

(65,174 posts)
94. That's scary. Sending you many positive vibes
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:25 AM
Apr 2022

Hope the cough is nothing serious. I had my own close call. Was riding with a friend (she lives near Pottstown, PA so she can give my mom and me rides sometimes). She came down with COVID. Luckily it was a fairly mild case, but she was laid up for a while. My mom and I thankfully never developed COVID symptoms. We were masked but in her car. My plan is to stay as safe as I can because I do NOT want to come down with this disease.

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
96. That's scary. I'm very happy both you and your mom
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:44 AM
Apr 2022

did not catch it. I've been exposed a few times, but to the best of my knowledge, I have not had it. I've not done a home test, but I've had a few tests done at testing facilities.

Here's the thing...remember when the CDC said you didn't have to wear a mask if you have been vaccinated? And then pretty much everyone stopped masking with the exception of those who were extra cautious?

I think the data will show, and the general consensus is, that the CDC decision at that time was a very bad one.

I've said in here many times that it killed my brother, and I know countless people who suferred badly with it. I don't want it! Wearing a mask is no big deal to me, it's like putting a shirt on. To be honest, my mask is a bit of a pain in the ass. It seals incredibly well, but it takes awhile to get fitted. But, such is life.

What I see happening in this thread is as follows: For whatever reason (burnout, fatigue, fed up, whatever), there has been a gradual shift in masking philosophy that has permeated into society in general, and as a result, into DU as well. I don't remember seeing disagreements about masking in DU to this extent until now.

Pardon my words, but this is what I tell people who are close to me in real life in both a playful/non-playful manner. "Listen you stupid fuck, you're whining about a mask? It's uncomfortable? You can't BREATHEEEE? Awww...why don't you fucking go talk to some Ukrainians and whine to them about your "comfort"?

Thank you for your kind words.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
47. + about a million!
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 11:15 PM
Apr 2022

It's so dispiriting that so many people will not respect the fact that countless other human beings have died from COVID because others have been careless. How many times did someone who had a mild case of COVID, so mild they didn't realize they had it, pass it on to vulnerable people who ended up dying from it? I suspect tens, if not hundreds, of thousands. But hey, wouldn't want to inconvenience anyone just to save lives.

thucythucy

(8,057 posts)
43. You just shake your head, huh?
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 10:37 PM
Apr 2022

Yeah, how ridiculous that some of us have co-morbidities that could kill us if infected, while others actually give a fuck about those of us who are that vulnerable.

Not enough to simply enjoy your own measure of invulnerability, real or imagined. You actually have to "shake your head" to make sure people know they don't measure up to your standards?

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
84. Lots of judgement and virtue signalling going on
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:03 AM
Apr 2022

It's too bad. Wish people would consider all of the risks and consequences and science. Has turned into a tribal thing. Those that wear masks looking down on those that don't and vice-versa.

thucythucy

(8,057 posts)
124. "Virtue signaling?"
Sat May 7, 2022, 10:36 AM
May 2022

People who refuse to mask may be putting lives at risk, including people who are very dear to me.

Would you accuse those of us who "look down" on drunk drivers of "virtue signaling?"

People will die because of this "tribal thing" that equates wearing a mask with a surrender of basic freedoms.

Try thinking about it from the point of view of those of us who will be at risk because of this "tribal thing."

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
125. Everyone should follow the science. Period.
Sun May 8, 2022, 03:17 PM
May 2022

The direct effects of covid are not the only risks. If it was, we would wear masks for virtually all occasions, and not just for covid, for the flu and other illnesses transmitted by respiration.

People on both sides of the argument tend to cherry-pick the science they like.

My point is that there are unintended consequences regardless of what you do in life. Throw politics in the mix and science tends to get corrupted.

thucythucy

(8,057 posts)
126. The science says that Covid is still out there
Mon May 9, 2022, 07:54 AM
May 2022

and mutating.

It also tells us that, not only are those with co-morbidities at risk, but even those who are otherwise healthy may and perhaps will suffer long term health effects we are only just beginning to document, let alone understand.

As for wearing masks to prevent the spread of the flu, this is actually SOP in cultures such as Japan and Korea. So what "unintended consequences" have been documented for the inhabitants of Tokyo, I wonder, who have been routinely masking for decades?

The science also tells us that rates of deadly flu went down substantially while people here masked up to prevent the spread of Covid, and that as a result hundreds if not thousands fewer Americans died.

The people who refuse to follow the science are those who ignore all this in the name of "freedom." If we truly followed the science then yes, widespread masking would be a no-brainer, certainly under the current state of this ongoing pandemic.

I raised the analogy of drunk drivers in a previous post. Another analogy would be to second-hand smoke. I'm old enough to remember the backlash against regulating smokers in restaurants and other public spaces. Given the current wacko and anti-science environment, I strongly suspect such regulations, proposed today, would meet with the same "it's my right to endanger others" mentality, and would probably fall by the wayside in the name of "freedom.".

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
127. I don't disagree in principle
Mon May 9, 2022, 08:50 AM
May 2022

My point was that there are more things to consider than pure safety. Other unintended consequences that become far more important as the threat of covid dissipates.

Reasonable, educated people following science can disagree about where that line should be drawn.

As far as Japanese culture and whether they have a long term future with their demographics and population decline, that is a topic for a whole other discussion!

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
21. I'm glad you are doing what you think is right for you
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 08:44 PM
Apr 2022

And I am also glad I am no longer mandated to wear one and I can do what I think is right for me.

thucythucy

(8,057 posts)
44. Wearing a mask is more to protect others than yourself.
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 10:40 PM
Apr 2022

You know, people with co-morbidities, folks undergoing chemo for cancer, etc.

I guess if it's "right for you" what happens to anyone else doesn't much matter?

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
81. Again, hardly
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 11:54 PM
Apr 2022

When you have blinders on and think you are right about everything, very repuke-like.

Welcome to have a rational conversation with you when you are done with the name calling.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
45. The problem is that my choice to wear a mask impacts no one but me.
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 10:48 PM
Apr 2022

The same cannot be said of your choice not to wear a mask. Because you will be symptomatic for at least a day before you are aware you have COVID, your choice not to wear a mask impacts everyone you come into contact with that day, or a bit longer.

Democrats are supposed to be the party which values, and looks out, for each other.

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
53. We are also supposed to be the party of freedom
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 12:10 PM
Apr 2022

And respect for the constitution and rule of law. Yet if there is a ruling we don’t like or an exercise of freedom we disagree with, what then?

People with co-morbidity or who are immunocompromized will always have to take extra protections. Sucks, but that is life.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
54. Nope, we're not the party of freedom.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 12:46 PM
Apr 2022

Democrats favor creating equity and opportunities for all, ensuring that there is a world left for our children and grandchildren and so on.

Doing so requires giving up absolute freedom in favor of making sure that those most vulnerable aren't harmed by our selfish actions.

This is a right-wing attitude/talking point:

People with co-morbidity or who are immunocompromized will always have to take extra protections. Sucks, but that is life.


The progressive/Democratic response would be to make sacrifices (e.g. wearing masks) to ensure that the burden of chronic illness is shared by all of us - to the extent possible. Obviously we can't grant a perfectly healthy body - BUT we can, and should, take steps to ensure that our actions create a world that is more, not less, equitable. One of those steps is wearing masks.

Aside from the ridiculous notion that Democrats believe in the freedom to ignore the needs of those around us, it isn't just the vulnerable who need to worry about preventing transmission of COVID.

We have 2 years of knowledge about what happens after the acute infection. COVID may well turn out like polio or shingles, and create devastating secondary illnessess decades down the road. We already know that COVID (even mild COVID) leaves increased risk for cardiac events and loss of mental acuity and of brain matter. Given that we're just starting to study longer term impact, it will be decades until we know whether it will be innocuous long-term, or come back to bite us in an enormous public health disaster in the future. What we have already learned suggests it will be more like polio and less like a cold or the flu. For that reason, the public policy should still focus on minimizing transmission (rather than just mitigating the worst immediate impact).

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
55. Wow, I disagree with almost everything you said.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 02:11 PM
Apr 2022

The Democratic Party I know is all about protecting freedoms and protecting the constitution. We may disagree on its interpretations in certain circumstances, but to not agree that we are about protecting freedoms enshrined in the constitution is crazy-talk.

I also disagree with your slander that I put forward a right-wing talking point. What I stated is reality. Prior to covid if you were immunocompromised, you had to take additional protections. And yes, that sucks. And yes, that is life. Hardly a right wing talking point.

The rest of your points are not supported by science, at least not to the degree that you assert they are.

We already know that COVID (even mild COVID) leaves increased risk for cardiac events and loss of mental acuity and of brain matter.


At best, the science is mixed on this. Far, far too soon to say if there is any increased long-term risks for mild covid cases. In fact, the initial research is showing the opposite.

What we have already learned suggests it will be more like polio and less like a cold or the flu.


This is made up out of whole cloth and is, frankly, fear mongering. Let's stick to the science, ok? Polio, really?

Public policy is what politics is all about. A valid public policy concern is not just minimizing transmission. If so, we would be acting like china and locking everyone down. Public policy must account for all the inputs, economic, emotional, constitutional, etc.

Based on your prior posts, you think everyone should still be forced to wear masks. Reasonable people can disagree with that statement. I do. Public policy currently is against mask mandates, and I happen to think that is the right choice.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
63. Go search for sentiments like the statement I identified as a right-wing talking point.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 03:18 PM
Apr 2022

I shouldn't have to be vaccinated against measles, diptheria, tetanus, etc. because . . . freedom. It's my right as a car manufacturer to elevate my business (profitability, rather than minimization of emissions) over public health because . . . freedom. You can't force me to provide health insurance which covers birth control, etc.) because . . . freedom. You can't force me to make my building handicap accessible because people with disabilities will always have to take extra steps to access public accommodations. Sucks, but that is life. These statement virtually always come from right wing jerks Right wing talking points are not allowed on DU - identifying a comment which falls into the category of banned speech in this forjum is not slander.

And - congratulations. You just made my point about why masks, and a focus on prevention of transmission, are needed. It is way too soon to know how long these detrimental consequences which we have already identified will last, nor do we have enough data (i.e. science) to predict that these will be the only consequences which follow the end of the acute phase, or even following the end of long COVID.

Until we know about long-term consequences it is reckless, at best, to focus solely on preventing the immediate consequences, rather than also working to minimize the risk of transmission. We already know too much about consequences which have been demonstrated to last up to 2 years to pretend that there won't be long-term consequences about which we will learn.

And yes, both polio and shingles are examples of things we thought were over when they were over, only to discover new consequences decades later. I am nowhere near the first, nor only one, noting parallels between COVID and polio. Polio was "over" around 1955, due to vaccinations. Post-polio syndrome (a cluster of new consequences from having had polio) was identified in the mid-1980s, 3 decades later.

https://connect.uclahealth.org/2021/01/25/long-haul-covid-19-similar-to-post-polio-syndrome/

Post covid-19 syndrome includes symptoms common to post-polio syndrome, i.e. weakness; fatigue and pain like myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome; breathlessness; and cognitive disturbances. We conducted a narrative review to establish the basis for an evidence-informed health and lifestyle framework, that underlies the management of post-polio syndrome, as a prototype for managing post covid-19 syndrome.


Referencing children, since a post-polio like syndrome will impact those who have decades left to live:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00334-w

It is irresponsible of governments to allow the virus to spread in this age group, especially in countries where the majority of children are unvaccinated. Past disease outbreaks often led to lasting symptoms, such as post-polio syndrome, and COVID-19 is clearly no different.


hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
64. Red Herring much?
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 03:29 PM
Apr 2022

You just love to prop up that straw man so you can knock him down, huh?

I said nothing about not getting vaccinated, or boosted, or any of that right wing garbage. Good try though.

Continued lock downs and mask wearing, when they are not absolutely necessary, have consequences, mostly unintended.

For example, children's speech and language has shown to be delayed because they can't see people's mouths moving. Other studies have shown severe impact on learning, especially in the younger ages due to a variety of covid related restrictions and rules.

Just this week, another study came out suggesting that the spike in hepatitis and other diseases among children is a result of lockdowns, social distancing and mask wearing because children were not getting exposed to normal amounts of the germs that build natural immunities.

Public policy matters and has unintended consequences. Always.

It is just not as simple as you want to make it out to be.

And I really wish you would stop with the personal attacks and fear mongering.

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
85. hueymahl...I don't think anyone is accussing you of being a right-winger, but
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:13 AM
Apr 2022

some of the things you have been saying are literally, actually, no shit, republican talking points.

And I'm not attacking you as a person, I'm attacking the words you are using to explain your position.

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
87. Really?
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:21 AM
Apr 2022

Not sure I am up to date on what is considered a right-wing talking point. My points about covid policy are my carefully considered, somewhat educated opinion. I'm a teacher who has seen what covid policies have done to kids. I am the brother of a doctor who has been on the front lines. I am a student of history and a decades long reader of scientific literature. Doesn't make me any better or worse than any other person with an opinion, but I don't think I am talking out of my ass.

If we could just get to the point, every now and then, where we back off from our carefully curated personas and tribalism and actually talk policy, DU and our Democratic party in general would be better for it.

Covid public policy should be a non-partisan topic where we are free to debate merits and consequences of what we do. But man, you say one thing that is not accepted dogma, and it is personal attack after personal attack.

Very discouraging. One reason I only comment on here every few months. Gets exhausting.

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
89. I get exhausted too. Let me try again.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:30 AM
Apr 2022

The words that you are typing, the exact phrases, in the exact order, are well known republican talking points.

I can't make it any clearer than that.

Maybe not intentional, but it's a fact.

And don't ask me to dig for links or examples, because I will.

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
91. Well, I'm not going to call you a liar
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:13 AM
Apr 2022

But I would be really surprised to see it.

Doesn't change the fact that it is really hard to have a discussion on DU sometimes. The echo chamber can be deafening.

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
95. I think it is in certain areas and topics
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:29 AM
Apr 2022

First, thank you for engaging with me. Sincerely, thanks.

There are certain topics that become dogma and can't even be discussed. Health policy when it comes to covid is one. Certain economic issues are another. Anything that is remotely negative about a democratic leader is another.

So what you end up with is a bunch of people saying basically the same thing. And if you challenge their logic or point out a flaw in their premises, most of the time you either get personally attacked or you get a post reported. And to be honest, I am probably taking a risk even discussing this, because I think I remember having meta discussions about DU and its rules is against the rules (I may be wrong - I know it was at one point; maybe its ok now???)

Now you can talk around the edges, and say things like "I wish Biden would be more aggressive going after trump". But if you say "I wish Biden would focus on the economy and leave Trump alone because it is a distraction" (which I have not said and would not say, btw), whoa-boy, you will get reported, attacked, burned at the virtual stake. But even something as ridiculous as that is a legitimate topic for discussion.

I'll give you a real-life example. I made a throw-away comment embeded in a thread about something else. Basically said we need to look at all options after the mid-terms, because there is a good chance we will lose both the house and the senate. Whew, you would think I would have posted a picture of Trump getting an award or something. Ended up having a thread deleted because I pointed out the obvious.

So yeah, this place can be an echo chamber, especially when it comes to important topics and uncomfortable truths.

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
98. I understand your point, but a lot of this has to do with DU rules.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 02:10 AM
Apr 2022

You know, we're all here on our own accord, and you can even be here for free if you want, and the admins get to set the rules. And one of the rules is that you can't bash Democrats. I think that if you are unhappy with a specific policy, it's probably fine to state that, but there is a line somewhere that cannot be crossed. I may think that I have not crossed a line, but if a jury or admin thinks otherwise, then that's something I have to live with.

What I think you are seeing is not an echo chamber, but rather, it's people disagreeing with you. Believe me, I've posted stuff in here that I've been crucified for. It's the way of the internet, and you'll see it in any internet forum that you enter.

What I do is as follows:

I often want to post something that may be controversial. I first think about how people are going to react to my post. Sometimes, that will stop me from posting it. On the other hand, I may feel strongly enough about something to post it anyway. And you know what it actually boils down to? This...how feisty am I feeling today? How much time and energy do I have today to push back against people who disagree with me?

I curse a lot on here, because that's the way I talk. But I also try my best to be as polite as I can, because that's the way I am too. I haven't looked at your profile, so I don't know how long you have been here, but sometimes serious discussions here can get a little rough! But again, if you go on any forum, say Reddit, you're going to see much worse.

I like it here because people are generally kind, and I can bare my soul if I feel like it without getting too much, if any, grief about it. People here also offer what I view to be genuine and helpful support. That's maybe one good thing about the internet. You can sometimes get stuff off your chest without having to tell some asshole friend or family member about it and then have to listen to their endless bullshit about what you should be doing.

I'm off to bed. We disagree here, but that's OK.

I hope you have a good morning/day.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
109. Any Disagreement
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:17 PM
Apr 2022

with Democratic groupthink gets you accused of spouting right wing talking points on DU. You can't disagree and still be a democrat, apparently.

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
110. Yeah, and that's a shame
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:25 PM
Apr 2022

I certainly learn when I encounter people with thoughtful views that are different than mine. Too bad there is not more of that going on here.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
106. Agree
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:52 AM
Apr 2022

I think it's important to follow the science, but acknowledge the differences between consequences one way or another.

It's a fact liberals have overestimated the danger of Covid and continue to do so, but so what really. The consequences of overestimating the dangers are that less people get sick and die. So I see people on DU worrying about cases and hospitalizations rising slightly the last month, but I want to remind them that this rise is almost entirely made up of unvaccinated idiots. Covid is almost no threat to the fully vaxxed and boosted right now.

Cons have underestimated the danger of Covid and continue to do so, the consequences have been that millions have died and continue to die.

But to your point, if you're full vaxxed and boosted, Covid is not dangerous for you. It's statistically less dangerous to you than the flu, both in terms of chances of being hospitalized, dying, or having long term effects at least for right now. As far as the immune compromised, hopefully they can still get vaccinated and get some protection that way, but I don't think the entire country wears masks during the flu season to protect those people.

Again, according to the CDC right now, unvaccinated people are 97 times more likely to die from Covid than boosted people. Get boosted! Boosted people are simply not dying of Covid in numbers significant enough to be noteworthy, it's a few a day in a country of 330 Million.

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
107. I don't even know where to begin, so I'll just ask...
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:01 AM
Apr 2022

What in the blue hell does this mean?

"It's a fact liberals have overestimated the danger of Covid and continue to do so,"

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
108. Polling
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:19 AM
Apr 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/briefing/atlanta-shootings-kamala-harris-tax-deadline-2021.html

Democrats have consistently shown when polled that they overestimate the % of people who get hospitalized when they get Covid. 41 percent of Democrats thought it was over 50 percent, while 28 percent thought it was between 20 percent and 49 percent of patients ending up in the hospital. It's really somewhere between 1 and 2%. So 78% of Dems in one poll way way way overestimated how dangerous Covid is. Several other polls have shown similar results.

And if you're fully vaxxed and boosted, the chances of going to the hospital with Covid are miniscule. We've got to realize, at least for now, that Covid is really only a significant danger to the 23.2% of the population who chose not to get a single shot of the vaccine. The hospitalizations and case spike right now is virtually all among those people. The CDC needs to start advertising their own data more, the pandemic is only over if you're vaxxed and boosted.


Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
46. I used to be a big fan of Worldometers -
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 10:53 PM
Apr 2022

Not so much anymore.

It used to have data as early as anyone else, and match precisely to state-reported data. When it did discover errors, it was quick to correct them AND explain the error.

Not so much anymore. A while ago they had a massive error for Ohio - I wrote them about it so they could correct it. To my knowledge it has never been corrected. Once I get to the point of an obvious error which remains unconnected, I can't use them as a data source without checking all of the data.

Unfortunately, I have not yet found a replacement site.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
25. I still wear a mask
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 08:50 PM
Apr 2022

For many of the same reasons you stated.
I live in NY. Our rates are rising.
Not many people are wearing masks around here.
Went to MA this weekend.
More people then not are wearing masks.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
26. Good data is impossible
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 08:56 PM
Apr 2022

People are self testing and there is no reporting going on. Truth is, people get sick, and tell no one, and occasionally go out in public anyway. The best indication is that hospitalizations aren't particularly going up. We all live in fear of some significant variant. fortunately viruses tend to become less deadly as they become more contagious.

live love laugh

(13,113 posts)
51. Yep no mask equals no quarantine.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 08:31 AM
Apr 2022


They pretty much say they have a “cold” and go any and everywhere.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
27. I Was Born and Raised in Japan, Where People Wore Masks if They Had a Cold or the Flu
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 08:58 PM
Apr 2022

Long before COVID ever came along, just to keep others from getting what they had. That's why I, like you, am not averse to wearing a mask. Yet, when I was driving through red state middle America last summer on my way to visit the Black Hills in South Dakota, I saw many people who were very hostile to mask wearing, and signs up that read, "Get your ideology off my face!" Of course, that's not exactly the way I see it, but I also see it as a kind of social and cultural thing as well. In cultures that are less individualistic, like Japan, mask wearing is a simple act of consideration, and no big thing. But here in the good ole US of A, it is very strongly resented as an infringement on a person's liberty and freedom. I can understand why some on the right wing are averse to wearing masks themselves, but when they get all upset when someone else wears a mask, and demand that they take the mask off, well heck - isn't that interfering with the other person's right to choose to wear a mask? After surviving my bout with COVID unvaccinated, and pushing 70, I would definitely call it the flu bug from hell, and wouldn't wish it on anyone. The bottom line, I suppose, is that prevention is the best medicine. Much better to prevent it than to deal with it after the fact.

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
29. I am a substitute teacher and today taught a kindergarten class
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 09:06 PM
Apr 2022

Only half the kids wore a mask and when I asked them who had been vaccinated out of 19 only 12 of them had been vaccinated. They are little germ spreaders even before Covid. I kept my mask on the whole time. Every time I substitute that mask stays on. Another school I work at the kids are a lot more mask compliant. Wherever I go I still wear that mask. The only time I didn’t wear my mask recently was in a movie theater on a weekday with only 9 people watching the movie and we were all spaced out. When the movie ended everyone had put their mask on!

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
82. You probably should stop substitute teaching then
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 11:55 PM
Apr 2022

Kids that age need to see the speaker's mouth when they speak to help with verbal development.

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
104. We have these microphone that we wear around and use to amplify our voices
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:46 AM
Apr 2022

The kids are used to the teachers using these amplifiers.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
116. hueymahl, isn't referring to the kids not being able to hear the teachers.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 04:17 PM
Apr 2022

It seems they're talking about how certain aspects of children's learning benefits from "mouth-looking," a topic you can research online. Nevertheless, don't listen to someone like hueymahl cavalierly telling you to give up your job. You can see my post for more on this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216628935#post115

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
121. Not good enough
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 12:27 PM
Apr 2022

Kids that age need to be able to see the movements of the speaker's mouth or risk developmental disabilities. This is settled science.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
115. Kids at "that age"? What age?
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 03:59 PM
Apr 2022

A careful reading of the post tells us that kimbutgar apparently doesn't teach one particular age group.

Nevertheless, negative effects of masks can be mitigated far more easily than the effects of COVID.

The good news is kids are very adaptable, and Lee said one theory is that they may come out of the pandemic with heightened perception abilities in other areas compared to what they would have had otherwise.

"What we have learned in the past is when something like this happens, that you block some kind of information channel and kids have to navigate around it, suddenly their other kind of abilities increase, not decrease, because the child's brain is very plastic and very adaptive."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/children-masks-language-speech-faces-1.5948037

Interesting how you won't choose to help protect vulnerable humans from COVID, an often deadly and/or debilitating disease, by doing a simple thing like wearing a mask, but you want this person to give up their job.

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
120. I am a teacher
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 12:25 PM
Apr 2022

And I have this same debate with some of my colleagues.

If at this point you still have valid concerns about covid, then you should consider not being in an environment where you could contract it.

Preschool and early elementary kids need to be able to see mouths move to help with language development. This is settled developmental science.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
123. I'm a teacher, as well, and I disagree with your conclusions.
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 08:14 AM
Apr 2022

I'd make my arguments, but, from my professional experience, I can recognize in your responses signs of poor reading comprehension, discussion, and reasoning skills.

Also, I could point out a few very important things all students need from their teachers that your posts strongly suggest you are incapable of providing. So, perhaps you should consider leaving the profession.

Finally, thanks for confirming my suspicions that reading anything you post is a waste of my time, not least because you seem overly fond of telling others what they "should" do, based largely on your unsavory ideological leanings, and your amusingly inflated opinion of your own intellect and expertise.

Bye now, and forever.

AllaN01Bear

(18,240 posts)
34. i know someone who claims they are copd . they make it out to what it isnt .
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 09:18 PM
Apr 2022

kept saying i dont want to take chances . wear a mask stupid and get vaxxed .
i have underlying med condtitions . ps : my body , my choice. as long as staff is wearing masks so will i.

3catwoman3

(23,996 posts)
38. Just turned 71. Had a mild case of COVID...
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 09:40 PM
Apr 2022

…in Dec 2020. Got the first 2 vaccines (Moderna) in Jan and Feb. Have had both boosters.

On meds for atrial fibrillation. I will continue to mask.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
40. Thanks..my 90 yr old parents just went for booster...my dad said " have to
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 10:00 PM
Apr 2022

..protect ourselves from the Republiklan idiots out there? " Thanks for post .need to schedule appt for my booster. I started wearing N95 mask bc since they don't give a shit about me and my family--need to protect me, my family from them.

Paz.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
41. Thanks..my 90 yr old parents just went for booster...my dad said " have to
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 10:00 PM
Apr 2022

..protect ourselves from the Republiklan idiots out there? " Thanks for post .need to schedule appt for my booster. I started wearing N95 mask bc since they don't give a shit about me and my family--need to protect me, my family from them.

Paz.

Evolve Dammit

(16,733 posts)
42. I'm with ya. Wear one anytime I am in "public." My teenagers wear one at school even though optional
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 10:25 PM
Apr 2022

Sad thing is though, it protects others more than yourself. We have some KN95's but I don't care for them much so still wearing 3-ply surgical. Not the best, but better than nothing which is what the majority is doing. They seem oblivious to the rising infection rate, or maybe they either continue not to care, or grew tired of it all. In any case, virus don't care. Covid gonna do what covid gonna do. Long two years huh?

Tree Lady

(11,468 posts)
57. Cases are going up again in my area
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 02:22 PM
Apr 2022

So back to masking fulltime instead of just at busy places.

My problem is my hubby won't unless its the law so he will probably catch it at some point, we are fully vaxed. Like many others he says he's tired of it, I bet if he gets sick he will change mind quick.

AllyCat

(16,187 posts)
58. Mr AC and I volunteered at a sporting event.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 02:28 PM
Apr 2022

Over the weekend. We were masked. A few others but no one else. People stared. Notice came last night another volunteer is positive. We are vaxxed and boosted. Will test on Thursday and hope for the best.

mvd

(65,174 posts)
60. Me, too
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 02:33 PM
Apr 2022

I just don’t feel safe yet despite being vaccinated. Plus, haven’t had colds or any other clear illnesses since masking.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
62. So... you wear a mask outside?
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 02:47 PM
Apr 2022

I see people wearing masks standing at a bus stop with no one in 100 yards of them. Wearing masks driving in their cars alone. Outdoor transmission rates have always been extremely low.

Inside in a retail setting, like the grocery, is where I wear them now. I take them off in the parking lot.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
68. whatever they need to do to feel safe is fine with me
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 05:47 PM
Apr 2022

I'll keep my beefs with the stupid, selfish assholes who no longer mask because, you know, it's all about THEM

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
69. I was asking the OP because they were vague about when & where.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:11 PM
Apr 2022

I haven't told anyone shit about what they should or shouldn't do.

Defensive pro-masking posts like this make me genuinely curious about OUTDOOR masking in particular. The science seems pretty clear: it's not impossible to contract CV-19 outside away from others, but it is extremely unlikely.

Non-event outdoor masking seems like more of a psychological balm than an effective precaution at this point. However, America is a nation that loves binary oppositions and cannot accept a non-zero risk, no matter how small (except when it comes to firearms).

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
90. That's great. Now, explain to me why I should take my mask off while alone in my car
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:44 AM
Apr 2022

when I am running errands to 10 different places that are a five minute drive apart, when it takes me 5 minutes to fit my mask properly because of the type of headgear it has.

And explain to me how I shouldn't have a mask on outside in my front yard when one minute, there is not a soul in site, and the next minute, I can feel someone's breath on my neck because they came up behind me to say hello while I was using a reciprocating saw.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
101. you shouldn't.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:28 AM
Apr 2022

wants & needs. you want to wear it alone in your car. you don't 100% need to.

i have been lackadaisical with my mask fitting because i have a higher risk tolerance, so mine comes off and on in 5 seconds or less. so far so good.

how many times has someone come up behind you and breathed on your neck when you're using a reciprocating saw? that's not safe.



LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
105. More times than I can count, and I don't know why.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:51 AM
Apr 2022

The most recent situation was that I was ass deep in fallen tree limbs resulting from a snowfall. Came up behind me, got real close, and started talking to me. He must have actually had to stomp down the twigs to get that close to me. Could not hear him coming because of the saw. There was no easy way for me to quickly back up out of the way because of all of the debris that was surrounding me.

In another situation, I had earbuds in, listening to music.. Was pruning a bush, guy comes up to me that walks down the street every day. Next thing I know, he's maybe a foot and a half away from me, raising his voice, trying to get my attention.

During this latest go around, two different people came up to me to offer help. I kept trying to back up, they kept coming forward.

Relative of next door neighbor comes over. Says Hey! Haven't seen you in a long time. Kept coming toward me. I kept backing up. Finally had to put my hand up and say "Sorry, don't mean to be rude, I'm still distancing".

It literally happens every time I'm working out front. I'm pretty chatty with most people around here. Went for a long period without that happening. But now that people seem to think Covid is over, they are coming out of the woodwork.

I know it may seem improbable, but if you knew my neighborhood, you would see why it happens. And then I feel like I am being impolite by backing away.

Even during the height of the pandemic, when things were really bad, a very good friend stopped over while I was doing something on my deck. He's a close talker, affectionate guy. Got so close he could have kissed me. We both were masked, but still...

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
114. A lot close talkers here in NYS, max
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 03:46 PM
Apr 2022

I try not to think about to much, because it's so ridiculous. I can't explain why it happens!

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
65. I haven't worn a mask since January.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 03:31 PM
Apr 2022

I have been fine.

I'm 4x vaxxed.

Life goes on.

Covid will never go away. It is here to stay. You are free to wear a mask until the end of time.

I have no interest in doing that, thanks.

 

RaDaR63

(89 posts)
73. The only place I see everyone masked is medical facilities.
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:58 PM
Apr 2022

Anywhere else, it's very rare. I was in a very crowded Costco a few days ago and counted a total of five people wearing masks. This is a very blue area. The mandates are long gone.

So, I'm seeing all this shaming here, including name calling, for the non-masked, and I'm wondering wtf.

75. It's just mind boggling - I went to a business conference today and it was just like pre-COVID
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 10:33 PM
Apr 2022

normal - a packed room, no social distancing, hand shaking, no masks. Obviously, if people still want to wear masks that's completely their choice, but they can't reasonably expect the rest of us to follow suit.

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
93. So, are you defaulting to an argument that says...
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:24 AM
Apr 2022

that because the majority of the people are not wearing masks, shaking hands, and otherwise getting close to each other, that they are right and proper in doing so?

LuckyCharms

(17,441 posts)
88. Don't wonder too much, it's pretty simple.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:25 AM
Apr 2022

Last edited Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:08 AM - Edit history (2)

Unmasked people in crowds put masked people at risk.

If you are thinking that decisions made by the current CDC are solely based on science, without having a political component, then I think you are incorrect.

For the same reason people must be masked in medical facilities, it's probably a good idea to be masked anywhere indoors.

People are required to be masked in medical facilities because there is a high concentration of compromised people in medical facilities. Unfortunately, there is a high concentration of comprised people everywhere as well.

The CDC knows this, but understand that they are essentially trying to perform a balancing act.

 

RaDaR63

(89 posts)
99. Unmasked people are the crowds.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 06:31 AM
Apr 2022

The mandates are over, and I don't see them coming back. It's not just the CDC, it's also the state, city and county governments. I can go out and see thousands of people in a day, in an eighty plus percent Democrat area, and only see two or three masks. So, the people in this thread calling the unmasked right wing, and selfish stupid assholes, are just wrong.

And, the crowds include people who work at, and visit, medical facilities.

It is pretty simple.

Jack the Greater

(601 posts)
79. According to statistics at Worldometer.info the infection rate in the US is 0.5%
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 11:02 PM
Apr 2022

... if by infection rate you mean the number of people determined to be infected with COVID divided by the the total population. Worldometers.info claims to use statistics provided by the Center for Disease Control.

Celerity

(43,385 posts)
97. Good to hear you are doing what makes you feel more secure.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:48 AM
Apr 2022

We are both quad spiked, 3 types of investigational variant-specific Moderna trial vaccines.

We no longer mask, have not since winter 2020/21 (after we got the initial 2 jabs we stopped), other than a brief period when original Omicron hit in December 2021, but the last booster we received months ago was for Omicron, and we stopped after that.

Almost no one here masks anymore. Maybe 2 or 3 per cent now, and they are usually Asian (some of whom masked before COVID) tbh. We never had masking mandates, other than flights, and those are gone.

I am on the tunnelbana (Stockholm subway) as I type this and no one at the station nor in the carriage is masked, which is par for the course.

Best of health to all.

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
100. I am still wearing a mask too..
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 06:35 AM
Apr 2022

and will continue to do so...until the coast is clear. If you think the coast is clear today...................

..........YOU HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE ..............SAYS STU..............................AND

.........it ain't over till its..OVER...AND IT AIN'T OVER YET.!!!!!

ZonkerHarris

(24,227 posts)
113. 5 and 7 people died in my city of Ventura CA in each of the last couple of days. My mask stays on.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:25 PM
Apr 2022

Died of Covid

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
118. Me and my entire family are with you 100%.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 05:40 PM
Apr 2022

N95's and we have not eaten in an indoor restaurant since January 2020.

We are ok with limitations...we are not resigned to getting covid, so we do what we can every day.

Long covid percentages are terrible, why would I not wear a mask?

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