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Swing district Democrats consider association with AOC toxic for reelection (Original Post) BGBD Apr 2021 OP
Then by all means they should return the money to her. Autumn Apr 2021 #1
They probably will... brooklynite Apr 2021 #10
Damage? Autumn Apr 2021 #12
The appeal of AOC among progressives doesn't apply to voters in moderate swing districts. brooklynite Apr 2021 #17
Most of it is GOP propaganda AZProgressive Apr 2021 #20
And moderates don't appeal to Progressives in blue states. Yet we still support the moderates Autumn Apr 2021 #21
The progressives in solid Blue districts don't pick up seats from Republicans... brooklynite Apr 2021 #22
+1 onenote Apr 2021 #29
Obvious. We already picked up seats from Republicans so we are Blue. Autumn Apr 2021 #42
That is untrue...name an election that a progressive Democrat won from a GOP...mostly, they Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #50
Who made that claim? I agreed with post #22. Autumn Apr 2021 #53
Warnock and Ossoff wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #94
It appears that the support is only supposed to go one way Bettie Apr 2021 #52
You would think that would be as obvious as the nose on ones's face. Autumn Apr 2021 #55
Luckily, Biden is willing to Bettie Apr 2021 #56
Yes, he has been amazing. I don't think it really suprised me that he would move Autumn Apr 2021 #58
Couldn't have said it better myself. nt Carlitos Brigante Apr 2021 #59
There are more moderate states and without them, we can't win a majority. They gave us Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #43
I wonder why Ocasio-Cortez didn't check with the campaigns before she contributed . . . Journeyman Apr 2021 #2
The articles states the DCCC staff gave her staff the wire transfer info in error Celerity Apr 2021 #41
Thanks. I'm unable to access the entire article . . . Journeyman Apr 2021 #46
She is the sharpest knife in the drawer no matter what her detractors says. She studies the issues joetheman Apr 2021 #57
Sounds a little suspect, as GOP candidates get scumbags to donate to them and that's not an issue. TheBlackAdder Apr 2021 #3
Bottom Line.. We Want to Cha Apr 2021 #4
But the point of the OP is that Bettie Apr 2021 #28
Like I said.. We Need to Keep Cha Apr 2021 #62
So. AOC is not on the team?I could have sworn she was a Democrat. Autumn Apr 2021 #71
We lose against anti democracy candidates it wont have anything to do with "effort" just bad .... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #34
Yes Messaging is Key.. Cha Apr 2021 #63
+1, I think that's the one thing dems are missing that kGQP has is a well intrenched ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #64
This is what happened AZProgressive Apr 2021 #5
TY empedocles Apr 2021 #8
She is one of the sharpest politicians I have ever seen. mjvpi Apr 2021 #6
It was the DCCC's 'mistake' (I use that term lightly) Celerity Apr 2021 #15
Whatever malaise Apr 2021 #7
Yahoo is still around? pwb Apr 2021 #9
it is fronting for Politico, the eternal purveyor of 'Dems in disarray' bollocks Celerity Apr 2021 #14
+1, kGQP supports treason against America but AOC is a problem. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #38
How dare she support fellow Democrats! Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #11
Yawn, another Politico 'Dems in disarray' hit piece, designed to shit-stir Celerity Apr 2021 #13
This. Bonus points because it feeds the opinions of AOC's Democratic detractors. . n/t ms liberty Apr 2021 #16
Still butt hurt that right wing loon from CNBC didn't unseat her. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #44
That only matters when it isn't about AOC. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #31
I'm not a super AOC-stan Mad_Machine76 Apr 2021 #18
Abolish ICE and defund the police Wanderlust988 Apr 2021 #24
Abolish ICE was for the 2018 midterms AZProgressive Apr 2021 #25
I can't breathe. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #32
Being against democracy is ***MORE*** out of the mainstream and that's what the kGQP is ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #35
One of the big problems with democrats. triron Apr 2021 #19
She carries the socialist tag. Mom of Baltimike Apr 2021 #23
Too bad too many voters don't think "nationalism" is a deal breaker BradAllison Apr 2021 #26
Agree completely but sometimes we deserve it. Mom of Baltimike Apr 2021 #39
I know, right? Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #33
The kGQP carries the anti America and terrorist supporter tag and if dems can't root that message uponit7771 Apr 2021 #36
She knows her name is polarizing. She could have donated to Hortensis Apr 2021 #27
There's nothing more polarizing than kGQP terrorist attacks against America & anti democracy laws uponit7771 Apr 2021 #37
Don't turn reasonable statements into nonsense. She's not even a blip Hortensis Apr 2021 #45
Her name is not more polarizing than what I named, period. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #48
Did you read the article? The DCCC staff gave her staffers the wire transfer info in error. Celerity Apr 2021 #40
Yes, I did. Ocasio-Cortez's staff requested that info. Hortensis Apr 2021 #51
You are misunderstanding the issue AZProgressive Apr 2021 #65
Everyone's aware of the HUGE problems in policing. Hortensis Apr 2021 #67
Each individual race is different AZProgressive Apr 2021 #68
Certainly can't argue with each race is different. Hortensis Apr 2021 #69
Where did you find out that she needed the info to donate directly so it would show her name Autumn Apr 2021 #78
Her name only appears on a donor list if SHE donates directly. Hortensis Apr 2021 #80
So it seems RW bullshit isn't just for RWingers anymore. Autumn Apr 2021 #81
The woman in red on the right represents a common conservative viewpoint, Hortensis Apr 2021 #83
Common conservative viewpoint? No such thing. Conservatives are all trashy, racist Autumn Apr 2021 #85
And that's about how that 1/2ish of humanity Hortensis Apr 2021 #88
Difference is, those conservatives are horrible people. The 1/2ish of humanity that almost all Dems Autumn Apr 2021 #95
The conservative viewpoint is wrong AZProgressive Apr 2021 #89
Lol, of course they're wrong! They don't know it. Hortensis Apr 2021 #92
It does seem like a Conservative to not listen to science AZProgressive Apr 2021 #87
The 12 years comes from a study AZProgressive Apr 2021 #86
We all know the various warnings, of course. Hortensis Apr 2021 #90
She is quoting the UN AZProgressive Apr 2021 #91
I think it's best not to bring up specific reasons why this might Hortensis Apr 2021 #93
You could read the article Arazi Apr 2021 #49
One could almost imagine there are highly connected people here who have inside information as Autumn Apr 2021 #79
I eagerly await any proof AOC made sure her name would appear on their donor lists. Autumn Apr 2021 #66
FEC filings have everyone's donor lists above $200. George II Apr 2021 #70
AOC make that rule? Autumn Apr 2021 #72
She's aware of that rule.... George II Apr 2021 #73
Did she make it? I'm thinking no. The DCCC staff gave her staff the wire transfer info in error Autumn Apr 2021 #77
Autumn, what "rule" are you talking about? The FEC, not the DCCC, establishes and oversees.... George II Apr 2021 #82
Already blaming their poor campaigning skills on someone else seems we need to get past this uponit7771 Apr 2021 #30
tying opponent to Trump is key to swing district elections Johonny Apr 2021 #47
Why is she raising money for her campaign and then giving it to other campaigns? George II Apr 2021 #54
How dare she. /nt tonedevil Apr 2021 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Apr 2021 #61
What do you think is the answer to your question, George? nt. Mariana Apr 2021 #74
Mariana, I wouldn't have asked the question if I knew the answer, don't you think? George II Apr 2021 #75
I doubt that any Texas candidates will ask AOC to campaign in Texas LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #76
I tend to agree. BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #84

brooklynite

(96,695 posts)
10. They probably will...
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 07:30 PM
Apr 2021

campaigns don't sink or swim on a $5,000 contribution. But the damage will already be done.

AZProgressive

(29,332 posts)
20. Most of it is GOP propaganda
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 10:06 PM
Apr 2021

I know how to counter their arguments better than some Democrats who forfeit and give in. Even before AOC Democrats were scared of GOP attack ads.

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
21. And moderates don't appeal to Progressives in blue states. Yet we still support the moderates
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 10:17 PM
Apr 2021

that are elected in those swing districts Moderates should try doing that. It's supposed to be a big tent ya know.

brooklynite

(96,695 posts)
22. The progressives in solid Blue districts don't pick up seats from Republicans...
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 10:57 PM
Apr 2021

...and aren't at risk of losing seats to Republicans.

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
42. Obvious. We already picked up seats from Republicans so we are Blue.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 10:15 AM
Apr 2021

But we still support the moderates and they should do the same. If Progressives are not wanted on their team they should show their courage and convictions and tell us to get lost. I'm sure most Progressives would oblige them.

Demsrule86

(69,855 posts)
50. That is untrue...name an election that a progressive Democrat won from a GOP...mostly, they
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 01:03 PM
Apr 2021

primary Democratic held seats or run for seats with Democrats retiring.

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
53. Who made that claim? I agreed with post #22.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 01:23 PM
Apr 2021
The progressives in solid Blue districts don't pick up seats from Republicans...

...and aren't at risk of losing seats to Republicans.


I was referring to my state, which is a heavy blue state that used to be Republican.

Bettie

(16,586 posts)
52. It appears that the support is only supposed to go one way
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 01:17 PM
Apr 2021

everyone is to say that the "moderates" are EVERYTHING and should be the only ones allowed to run in any race.

Yes. I am frustrated with the constant bashing of Progressive Democrats.

We're either part of the party or we aren't and someone needs to decide that. Fact is, neither progressive nor moderate can win without the other, so only serving one side isn't the answer either.

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
55. You would think that would be as obvious as the nose on ones's face.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 02:10 PM
Apr 2021

Both are needed because for all the praise Republicans often get they are not going to become moderate Dems and help our side in what needs to be done. But one thing I'm sure of, moderate policies have us gotten us where we are at and moderate policies are not the solution to get us where we need to be.

Bettie

(16,586 posts)
56. Luckily, Biden is willing to
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 02:15 PM
Apr 2021

move in a progressive direction, which was rather surprising to me.

I like that he is willing to listen and willing to swing for the fences instead of aiming for a walk to first.

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
58. Yes, he has been amazing. I don't think it really suprised me that he would move
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 02:22 PM
Apr 2021

in a progressive direction. He's always been willing to look at a situation from all sides. He sees what has to be done if we are all to survive. Moderate polices will not get us there. I think he is the first president to actually see and understand what young people are going though and what they are facing.

Demsrule86

(69,855 posts)
43. There are more moderate states and without them, we can't win a majority. They gave us
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 10:26 AM
Apr 2021

both the House and the Senate. AOC is smart and I like. Her views align more with my core beliefs. However she would not have a chance of winning a statewide election in Ohio. She would need the bluest of districts even to win a house seat and Ohio doesn't have many of these...And moderate do not go into liberal states to 'help'. Most understand what is needed to win. We must tailor our candidates and our strategy to individual states.

Howard Dean was very successful because he implemented a 50 state strategy. We need to keep doing this. We also need starting at grass root level to try to get the progressive message out there in red and purple states. I believe it is possible and those running for local office are the ones that would most benefit from AOC and other's help. We are finally getting policy done...lets not blow this with election tactics doomed to fail. The best thing AOC could do is channel her money into the DNC and let them distribute it...without using her name to moderate and purple states. Hillary was and is a prolific fund raiser but does not publicize it.

Journeyman

(15,091 posts)
2. I wonder why Ocasio-Cortez didn't check with the campaigns before she contributed . . .
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 07:08 PM
Apr 2021

it's not like her presence hasn't generated controversy in the past.

Journeyman

(15,091 posts)
46. Thanks. I'm unable to access the entire article . . .
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 11:45 AM
Apr 2021

I appreciate your clearing that up. It's good to know.

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
57. She is the sharpest knife in the drawer no matter what her detractors says. She studies the issues
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 02:17 PM
Apr 2021

knows what she is talking about and is not afraid to voice her opinions or the facts.
One day she may even be President!

TheBlackAdder

(28,497 posts)
3. Sounds a little suspect, as GOP candidates get scumbags to donate to them and that's not an issue.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 07:14 PM
Apr 2021

.

It sounds like the candidates receiving the money could either return it or keep it and fight fire with fire.

Ask the GOPers to voluntarily release the sources of all of their hidden campaign donors--which they won't.

Then make assertions that they could be money laundering by criminals, foreign agents or governments.

Then ask why they are hiding it it it's not something they'd be ashamed of having divulged.

.

Cha

(300,711 posts)
4. Bottom Line.. We Want to
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 07:14 PM
Apr 2021
Keep the House in 2022.

It's not about individuals.. It's a Team Effort!

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
71. So. AOC is not on the team?I could have sworn she was a Democrat.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 05:46 PM
Apr 2021
Must be another team and some of us don't have the secret handshake.

uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
34. We lose against anti democracy candidates it wont have anything to do with "effort" just bad ....
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 09:53 AM
Apr 2021

... messaging and poor candidates.

There's no way we shouldn't be on the attack RIGHT HOT DAMN NOW about kGQP anti democracy message.

uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
64. +1, I think that's the one thing dems are missing that kGQP has is a well intrenched ...
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 03:50 PM
Apr 2021

... messaging / feedback infrastructure that would allow us to send out a message and get it tested in hours time to beat the kGQP upside the head with through a myriad of outlets and channels.

The kGQP walks around kicking sand cause all they have to do is blame democrats and their minions will believe them mostly because of the messaging infrastructure they have

AZProgressive

(29,332 posts)
5. This is what happened
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 07:15 PM
Apr 2021

Politico

The New York Democrat sent the contributions to her colleagues to help keep the House majority ahead of a tough cycle without directly contributing to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, with which she’s publicly clashed. But Ocasio-Cortez's largesse — and an oversight at the campaign headquarters — has instead raised awkward questions among her colleagues as some swing-district Democrats fret over whether to return her money before the GOP can turn it into an attack ad.

Some members whose campaigns got unexpected Ocasio-Cortez cash are seeking answers directly from DCCC Chair Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.) and his top staffers. DCCC aides gave lawmakers’ wire transfer information to Ocasio-Cortez's aides without the approval of more senior officials, according to multiple people familiar with the contributions.

(Snip)

While some are grateful for the infusion of cash, at least three Democrats have so far either declined the initial transfer or said they would return the money: Reps. Conor Lamb of Pennsylvania, Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia and Elissa Slotkin of Michigan, according to multiple sources.

Several people involved with the episode described it as an unforced error by the DCCC, with the staff of its campaign arm failing to anticipate the political ramifications of putting their party’s most polarizing figure on their donor rolls of vulnerable members known as frontliners.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/02/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-campaign-contributions-478943

mjvpi

(1,477 posts)
6. She is one of the sharpest politicians I have ever seen.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 07:19 PM
Apr 2021

Send the money back, good grief. After President Biden implementing Progressive ideas for two years, AOC is going to look mainstream. Biden is proving that government works. Swing state Dems who talk limited government and run as Republican light are going to have a harder time running from Biden’s record than from AOC’s $5000.

Celerity

(45,338 posts)
15. It was the DCCC's 'mistake' (I use that term lightly)
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 08:19 PM
Apr 2021
Some members whose campaigns got unexpected Ocasio-Cortez cash are seeking answers directly from DCCC Chair Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.) and his top staffers. DCCC aides gave lawmakers’ wire transfer information to Ocasio-Cortez's aides without the approval of more senior officials, according to multiple people familiar with the contributions.

Mad_Machine76

(24,656 posts)
18. I'm not a super AOC-stan
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 10:01 PM
Apr 2021

but she is a bright young woman and has a bright political future and I have never understood the Republican attacks on her, nor some Democrats' feeding into the idea of her being "toxic". Her ideas are not wacky or way out of the maintstream.

AZProgressive

(29,332 posts)
25. Abolish ICE was for the 2018 midterms
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 11:45 PM
Apr 2021

It helped her in her race against Crowley.

I'm tired of talking about defund the police especially on this website.

Read We Do This Til We Free US by Mariame Kana which is a new release. Activists like her are not going to stop advocating for those policies which is a local city budget issue. It has already passed in several cities. LA & Austin off the top of my head.

I personally think Trump and the whole Insurrection & right wing militias is out of the mainstream.

Edit: I edited Houston to Austin

https://theappeal.org/austin-cut-police-budget-supportive-housing-homelessness/

uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
35. Being against democracy is ***MORE*** out of the mainstream and that's what the kGQP is ...
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 09:57 AM
Apr 2021

... none of those others messages should take root if democratic party messaging is coordinated and effective and it should start RIGHT HOT DAMN NOW !!

Mom of Baltimike

(11 posts)
23. She carries the socialist tag.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 11:20 PM
Apr 2021

While I may agree with her ends, I don't agree with her means.

She does too much bashing of Democrats and the Democratic Party.

And the Socialist tag is a deal breaker for many voters.

BradAllison

(1,879 posts)
26. Too bad too many voters don't think "nationalism" is a deal breaker
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:28 AM
Apr 2021

We've lost the semantics battle to the ignorant.

Mom of Baltimike

(11 posts)
39. Agree completely but sometimes we deserve it.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 10:07 AM
Apr 2021

Defund the Police?

A minority view, but we all get tagged with it.

I'd like to see police unions banned.

Voltaire2

(13,924 posts)
33. I know, right?
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 09:43 AM
Apr 2021

How dare she give other Democratic candidates money! That is the sort of behavior that just has to stop.

uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
36. The kGQP carries the anti America and terrorist supporter tag and if dems can't root that message
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 09:58 AM
Apr 2021

... it wont have anything to do with AOC but poor campaigning

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. She knows her name is polarizing. She could have donated to
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 08:49 AM
Apr 2021

these specific Dems in swing districts through the DCCC without endangering their reelections by associating them with her, socialism, etc. It is reasonable to wonder why she made sure her name would appear on their donor lists.

uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
37. There's nothing more polarizing than kGQP terrorist attacks against America & anti democracy laws
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 10:00 AM
Apr 2021

... but they are allowed to focus on AOC because our messaging infrastructure is dirt azz poor.

The kGQP gets to boil puppies alive on prime time TV but AOC is the problem !?!?

Damn

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. Don't turn reasonable statements into nonsense. She's not even a blip
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 10:44 AM
Apr 2021

on the radar warning of the giant forces ranged against democracy on the right.

In fact, all the anti-Democratic and socialist fringe movements together are a problem only as their hostility against the powerful progressive Democratic Party aids the enormous forces for white Christian nationalism and fascism on the right.

In these anxious, frightening times, however, their usual combined 10% or so was able to draw a few more percentages of support, and worse to undermine the beliefs of many who didn't vote, to throw the nation to the Republicans in 2016. Even the less hostile ones knew that was possible and did it anyway. Those who continue don't regard destroying their own claimed agenda as a mistake or feel even the slightest remorse at what they've brought on everyone.

Crazy, very dangerous times.

Our children and their children will ask us, ‘What did you do? What did you say?’ For some, this vote may be hard. But we have a mission and a mandate to be on the right side of history.” ~ John Lewis

Celerity

(45,338 posts)
40. Did you read the article? The DCCC staff gave her staffers the wire transfer info in error.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 10:08 AM
Apr 2021

The entire article is written with loaded words and is deffo another, oh so typical, Politico 'Dems in disarray' shit-stir hit piece.


Some members whose campaigns got unexpected Ocasio-Cortez cash are seeking answers directly from DCCC Chair Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.) and his top staffers. DCCC aides gave lawmakers’ wire transfer information to Ocasio-Cortez's aides without the approval of more senior officials, according to multiple people familiar with the contributions.

snip

Several people involved with the episode described it as an unforced error by the DCCC, with the staff of its campaign arm failing to anticipate the political ramifications of putting their party’s most polarizing figure on their donor rolls of vulnerable members known as frontliners.

Chris Hayden, a spokesman for DCCC declined to comment on the details but said: “We appreciate Rep. Ocasio-Cortez's ongoing commitment to a Democratic majority. Due to a miscommunication, some transfers were made in error, but that has been addressed.”

snip

Still, other Democrats said they saw Ocasio-Cortez’s interest in helping endangered incumbents as a positive sign for party unity, even if they were stunned by the method. And privately, the liberal star already is personally close with some of the frontliners, many of whom were elected in the same blue wave that helped Democrats recapture the House in 2018.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
51. Yes, I did. Ocasio-Cortez's staff requested that info.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 01:13 PM
Apr 2021

Ocasio-Cortez needed it in order to donate directly, so the name Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would show up when anyone checked for donors.

Let's not pretend that all politicians aren't aware that donor names can cause trouble. That's why some in vulnerable districts had to reject the donations. Not because they don't like Ocasio herself, but because many of their constituents are worried about an evil socialist takeover.

Remember how we lost so many seats in the house in November? Those fringe elements yammering about socializing America and "defunding" the police, some of whom insisted they really did want to close down police departments? Those wingers were augmented by the right to defeat us, and it worked. A lot of fools were alarmed into voting Republican.

AZProgressive

(29,332 posts)
65. You are misunderstanding the issue
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 04:43 PM
Apr 2021

I'm sure you are unaware of problems in policing and solutions to address to them.

New Toolkit Tallies Up Victories and Summarizes Strategies to Defund the Police

(Snip)

In the wake of the right-wing white supremacist storming of the Capitol and attempted coup on January 6, 2021, the demand to defund police is more urgent than ever. There is growing evidence that many federal, state and local law enforcement officers, including Capitol Police, participated in, facilitated and condoned the events of January 6th — including video footage of Capitol police removing barricades to allow white supremacists onto Capitol grounds, standing aside as they entered the building while denying entry to journalists, taking selfies with insurrectionists and directing people who intended legislators harm to their offices. The events of January 6th were not a justification for increased policing, they were a perfect encapsulation of the reality that policing does not keep us safe — including from white supremacists.

Our response to white supremacist violence cannot be to pour still more resources into police who have repeatedly been shown to participate in and condone it, especially as the pandemic claims record numbers of lives each day and the unprecedented economic crisis deepens, leaving more and more people at risk of eviction, hunger, and violence. Nor can it be to give police more power to fight “domestic terrorism,” which will predictably be used against the very same communities currently targeted by police — for instance, a number of states have already used the attempted coup and threats of more white supremacist violence to resurrect laws first introduced to suppress #BlackLivesMatter protests. It is more imperative than ever to reduce the funding, power, weaponry, and reach of law enforcement agencies that have made it abundantly clear through their actions leading up to and on January 6th that what they are committed to protecting is a white supremacist status quo, not the safety of Black and Brown communities.

The demand to defund police did not arise in a vacuum. It is rooted in a long legacy of challenges to white supremacist violence, and demands to end institutions created to control, regulate, disempower, and suppress Black communities, and for collective investment in meeting community needs through collective care. It echoes the demands of the Black Panther Party’s 10-point platform for Black Liberation: “We want an immediate end to POLICE BRUTALITY and MURDER of Black people…. We want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace.” It is rooted in a central demand of the Movement for Black Lives’ Vision for Black Lives, first launched in 2016 in the wake of the Ferguson Uprising: “Invest/Divest — We demand investments in the education, health and safety of Black people, instead of investments in the criminalizing, caging, and harming of Black people. We want investments in Black communities, determined by Black communities, and divestment from exploitative forces including prisons, fossil fuels, police, surveillance and exploitative corporations.” The BREATHE Act, birthed by the Movement for Black Lives in 2020 in response to legislation and policy proposals advancing superficial reforms that do nothing to address the root causes and systemic nature of police violence, represents a federal legislative articulation of the Invest/Divest framework.

Over the past six months, organizers across the country have won significant victories in campaigns to reallocate funds from bloated police department budgets to meet community needs. They extracted over $840 million from police departments, and secured investments of at least $160 million in communities. They removed cops from schools in over 25 cities, saving an additional $34 million for investment in meeting student and community needs. They have engaged more people than ever in conversation around defunding police departments as a pathway to achieving genuine and lasting public safety by meeting material needs and resourcing and building community-based safety strategies, and to eventually abolishing policing altogether. They have faced and overcome significant resistance from police fraternal associations, pro-police lawmakers, and reformists whose proposals to tinker with the mechanisms of policing while leaving its foundations untouched have been wielded as a wedge to discredit their demands. They have wisely tuned out willful misrepresentations and dilutions of defund demands by political pundits and mainstream media outlets and stayed true to their vision. And they have learned valuable lessons to guide next steps in continuing campaigns to #DefundPolice.

https://truthout.org/articles/new-toolkit-tallies-up-victories-and-summarizes-strategies-to-defund-the-police/

Why does Manchin get to do whatever he wants in West Virginia but Progressives are not allowed to support a local city budget issue?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
67. Everyone's aware of the HUGE problems in policing.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 04:54 PM
Apr 2021

This is DU, not in the Cave, and we're the white hats.

The Biden campaign and DNC/DCCC knew exactly why support in a bunch of swing districts collapsed after being good for months. Because they ASKED voters why they made their choices.

People who don't understand that they've shot themselves and others in the head or, worse, do and don't care because they're doing their own frivolous and deadly version of "owning the libs" from the left, are in grave danger of finding themselves living in a far-right police state.

And after enjoying claiming for years that we already are, they're going to be extremely surprised.

AZProgressive

(29,332 posts)
68. Each individual race is different
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 05:00 PM
Apr 2021

Max Rose attended a BLM protest then the Republicans and police unions attacked him. All he did was go to a protest.

His campaign wasn't effective.

“Bill de Blasio is the worst mayor in the history of New York City,” Rose says in a six second video as he looks into the camera. “That’s the whole ad.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thats-the-whole-ad-dem-rep-max-rose-cuts-fifteen-second-video-calling-de-blasio-the-worst-mayor-in-the-history-of-new-york-city/

We were probably lucky to win that district in 2018 since Giuliani also won the district when he ran for mayor and the NYPD became a lot worse while he was there. Democrats do still have more house seats than they did in 2016.

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
78. Where did you find out that she needed the info to donate directly so it would show her name
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:36 AM
Apr 2021

and had her staff ask the DCCC for it? Because the article didn't say that. Is that something that you are attributing to her just on your own or do you have an actual link to back that up? If you don't have a link that a pretty nasty petty smear.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
80. Her name only appears on a donor list if SHE donates directly.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 11:02 AM
Apr 2021

They all know that.

You have to remember, Autumn, due diligence requires ALL politicians to vet their wannabe donors for the same reasons: to keep embarrassments off, can't be accepting donations from The Pillow Guy or Konstantin Kilimnick, and also to watch for and refuse illegal donations, preferably before the FEC and media find them.

OF COURSE, vulnerable Democrats in swing districts with lots of conservatives had to get the name of a donor many of their constituents love to hate and who represents what they genuinely fear off their lists. As shown by this RW cartoon. Yes, that very sinister and sleazy figure on the left is supposed to be Ocasio-Cortez. Ridiculous, but that how many of the conservative constituents of her Democratic colleagues in swing districts (choose to) see her.



Understand their problem?

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
81. So it seems RW bullshit isn't just for RWingers anymore.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 11:13 AM
Apr 2021

Alrighty then. So you are going to ignore the fact that the DCCC aides gave lawmakers’ wire transfer information to Ocasio-Cortez's aides without the approval of more senior officials and go with she did it just to tar their image with her name. Got it.

Yay Team

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
83. The woman in red on the right represents a common conservative viewpoint,
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 11:33 AM
Apr 2021

not the crazy whackos, more normal peoples', which is why I think it's worth noting.

Exactly the mirror opposite of Democrats' viewpoint, where RW crazies and one of their dreadful pols would be the people on the left and on the right a rational Democrat listening and worrying that the end is near.

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
85. Common conservative viewpoint? No such thing. Conservatives are all trashy, racist
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 11:45 AM
Apr 2021

unintelligent assholes who hate anything and everything and only consider themselves. Conservatism is a mental illness and in no way close to normal.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
88. And that's about how that 1/2ish of humanity
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 02:09 PM
Apr 2021

feels about the half we fall among. Sounds like there are some real things in common.

Not to be built on, though! We all really do have other, better commonalities to work on. Need for air and water, for instance.

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
95. Difference is, those conservatives are horrible people. The 1/2ish of humanity that almost all Dems
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:23 PM
Apr 2021

and all progressives fall into care about their follow human beings and the earth. Those fucking conservatives care only for themselves and we will never have any commonalities with them. They don't care about air and water, future generations or anything. The conservatives that some moderates wax melancholic about do not exist. They are all gone, just as the dinosaur is gone. The residue that remain of conservatism are the dregs.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
92. Lol, of course they're wrong! They don't know it.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 02:24 PM
Apr 2021

To a lot of conservatives Ocasio-Cortez represents a threat to all that's good and decent. They can't define socialism any more accurately than most of Ocasio's supporters, but nevertheless it frightens them far more than global warming.

That's why OCASIO-CORTEZ'S COLLEAGUES HAD TO REJECT HER DONATIONS.

That's the subject here. They're not rejecting her, just public association with her.

AZProgressive

(29,332 posts)
87. It does seem like a Conservative to not listen to science
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 02:06 PM
Apr 2021

This article is more than 2 years old

We have 12 years to limit climate change catastrophe, warns UN

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/08/global-warming-must-not-exceed-15c-warns-landmark-un-report

I'm tired of these bad faith attacks on AOC.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
90. We all know the various warnings, of course.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 02:16 PM
Apr 2021

I don't know if I actually learned about LBJ's notification to congress about global warming in 1965 when it happened or in my physical geography class in college a few years later. But that's how long it's been a critical issue for me.

I'd actually appreciate it if Ms. Ocasio-Cortez paid some attention to environmental issues in congress. Her record so far is quite poor and, as she says, time is running out. All she really has to do is support those of her colleagues who are working very hard on it.

AZProgressive

(29,332 posts)
91. She is quoting the UN
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 02:22 PM
Apr 2021

Conservatives turn around and attack her like she made up. Republicans have been doing Climate Change DENIAL since Al Gore. After so much denial some centrist Democrats moved to right of Al Gore on environmental issues.

Conor Lamb doesn't want to ban fracking. He is one of the few people who returned their donation from AOC.


LAMB URGES SPEAKER PELOSI TO REJECT “FRACKING BAN”; ALLOW A VOTE ON BIPARTISAN BILL TO INVEST IN CLEAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGY

https://lamb.house.gov/media/press-releases/lamb-urges-speaker-pelosi-reject-fracking-ban-allow-vote-bipartisan-bill-invest

What he is calling to reject is legislation from AOC.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
93. I think it's best not to bring up specific reasons why this might
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 02:38 PM
Apr 2021

have happened. We can't know her intent, toward Lamb or any of the others,, after all.

It's enough to, as the OP points out, recognize the simple truth that her name on donor lists potentially endangers seats in swing districts currently held by Democratic congressmen.

Maybe start saying nice things about her to Republicans you run into to correct their misapprehensions.

Arazi

(6,855 posts)
49. You could read the article
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 01:02 PM
Apr 2021

Then you'd know this was a DCCC error instead of rushing to critique her

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
79. One could almost imagine there are highly connected people here who have inside information as
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:47 AM
Apr 2021

to AOC's "nefarious behavior" in this matter.




I think?

No proof but that doesn't matter.

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
77. Did she make it? I'm thinking no. The DCCC staff gave her staff the wire transfer info in error
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:12 AM
Apr 2021

So hows bout you blame the DCCC staff for fucking up. Yay team

George II

(67,782 posts)
82. Autumn, what "rule" are you talking about? The FEC, not the DCCC, establishes and oversees....
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 11:25 AM
Apr 2021

....campaign finance regulations.

Here's what I responded to:

I eagerly await any proof AOC made sure her name would appear on their donor lists.


That "donor list" is an integral part of any campaign's FEC filings. Anyone who gives more than $200 is listed in a campaign's FEC filing and therefore is on their donor lists.


uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
30. Already blaming their poor campaigning skills on someone else seems we need to get past this
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 09:26 AM
Apr 2021

The poor skills begins by allowing the right to set the message by not attacking first with the truth.

None of the stupid shit matters if kGQP are defending themselves because of their own hatefilled associations which are 100% fucked up to begin !!!

Johonny

(21,414 posts)
47. tying opponent to Trump is key to swing district elections
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 12:45 PM
Apr 2021

Trump lost votes in almost every swing district compared to other GOP candidates. It's obvious demonstrating how their opponent is just like Trump is the key to victory. Don't let their support of Trump get away.

Response to tonedevil (Reply #60)

LetMyPeopleVote

(149,311 posts)
76. I doubt that any Texas candidates will ask AOC to campaign in Texas
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 11:00 PM
Apr 2021

The Defund the Police stupidity cost some good Texas candidates some races that we could have won. I saw GOP defund the police ads in two state house races in ads that called all Democrats socialist. The GOP candidate won both races

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