How many here think that lawmakers would have been killed if

[LuckyCharms]

they had not been evacuated in time?

I certainly do.

I also believe that what happened yesterday could not have been achieved without the coordination and cooperation of many layers of individuals, under the direction of Trump, and being birthed with the changes of Pentagon personnel made by Trump.

Cutting through all of the smoke and bullshit, Donald J. Trump ordered a hit on the lives of lawmakers. Call it what you will...attempted coup, insurrection, attempted murder.

[catbyte]

1. That terrorist in paramilitary garb holding a fistful of zip tie handcuffs convinced me.

[DENVERPOPS]

72. Bingo

the Zip tie handcuffs are the "tell"

They would have held the Dems hostage, conducted their own "court" and executed them for sedition for causing the corrupt election results to be verified............AND, all the Republican House members and Senators would have let it happen...

[BrightKnight]

80. That was apparently the plan. nt

[TeamPooka]

77. same here. saw that pic and it confirmed the intent of some in that crowd.

[Pachamama]

2. +1000000

I agree

[vercetti2021]

3. I think they were too disorganized

Now if it were those like in the handmaid's tale. Yes they would have killed a decent amount of congress and the civil war would have begun. That's how fucking close we got to the second American civil war

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. What do you say to the men with side arms and cuff-ties?

They weren't for show. The one I saw was a professional. IMO

[vercetti2021]

17. Probably a few pros

But the rest were just a bunch of dumbasses

[Blue_true]

27. I agree with you.

There were some focused killers in the group, but most were disorganized assholes. Would the assholes have cheered a Democratic Congressperson being brought to the makeshift gallows, yes they would have, but I doubt they had the skill to make that happen.

[Roy Rolling]

38. Cover

The paid agents use innocents around them as cover. Speaker Pelosi recognizes that she and every Congressperson was in serious danger. I don’t think she will let this go, tomorrow will be D-Day. Shit’s gonna get real.

[Meowmee]

62. This

[crickets]

73. 👆 This.

Pelosi and Pence were at the top of the list of people being searched for. The would-be assassins had specific preferred targets but would have been happy to take out anyone they could get their hands on. How some Republicans seem unfazed and don't recognize that they were in dire peril is a mystery. Anyone they found would have been taken hostage, and political party was no guarantee against getting killed.

Agreed that Nancy Pelosi is well aware, and knows she cannot afford to let this go. For her safety, and the safety of every single Congressional member, shit has got to get real.

[Tommymac]

39. Pros USE dumbasses as cover.

Though they are not of real military quality, the paramilitary arm of this insurrection does have some military training.

They used the 'dubasses' as cover - watching the videos online, I see many instances of small unit tactics being practiced by a few small cells ofmore disciplined insurrectionists.

This was planned. There were firearms and bombs inside Our Capital.

I have no doubt those groups would have kidnapped or executed Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell and Pence.

[Skraxx]

57. Correct, Coordinated Teams Were Embedded in the Mob

And they had specific objectives, a primary one being decapitation of other senior government official leadership which would enable Trump to institute Martial law. Other objectives would be espionage and obtaining intel/electronics/files etc.

[Captain Zero]

68. Don't forget Grassley.

Then succession goes into the cabinet. Even Acting people.

[LuckyCharms]

10. What's eating at me is this...

We know with a fair amount of certainty that there were law enforcement and military types mixed in the the average Joes. We don't know what they brought in, and what they left there. Also, we do not know if/how many foreign adversaries were in that crowd.

[vercetti2021]

18. True

But for the most part. Domestic terrorists is all I saw

[Skraxx]

60. Yup, I Wouldn't be surprised if their were Russian units

Involved and they were all given plenty of time inside to accomplish objectives and of course plenty of time to flee. The pros I’m sure are not even in the country anymore.

[exboyfil]

13. The theory is that it is like Benghazi

A rabble rouser riot with a trained kidnap/murder mission by just a few of them. Someone went through picture evidence that showed some were acting purposefully.

[dem4decades]

15. A small group of trained professionals embedded in the horde could have slipped in. Not the idiots

with their face uncovered but the ones with glasses and masks that the camera's will ever see.

[vercetti2021]

20. Thankfully they weren't enough

I guess how much time until it happens again? And those in the police and military go along with it?

[Bradshaw3]

25. Another poster made a point about this

That there were two groups: one was the idiot rubes who made up most of the invaders and who you see wandering around like tourists when they are not creating havoc - they were disorganized; two, was a smaller, organized and more dangerous group using the larger group as cover for their pre-planned activities. The guy with the zip ties whose face was well-covered and who didn't look up toward cameras was one of the latter.

I don't know but this is certainly starting to look like there was more going on behind the scenes.

[vercetti2021]

26. Exactly!

Take the focus off the more dangerous ones and use the morons as a cover to stealthily get to the floor easier.

[Bradshaw3]

32. This says a lot

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214851162

If accurate, this terrorist has high military clearance.

[vercetti2021]

35. If true then capital punishment

Treason has a huge price

[Mr.Bill]

40. With a change of clothes in the backpack

so they could blend in with the idiots and walk out.

[Cozmo]

59. I think you hit the nail on the head

For the most part I think the idiots were in the majority.

[dflprincess]

71. Might explain the pardons of the Blackwatet criminals

Another one of Trump's quid pro quos.

[Bradshaw3]

78. Good point

These things are starting to add up.

[mathematic]

28. And a disorganized mob never killed anybody?

This was an organized coup working under the cover of an angry mob. It had multiple strategic elements. If congress had not been evacuated either the mob or the armed and armored strike force would have murdered them.

[vercetti2021]

31. They were useful idiots

Not saying it wasn't dangerous. It was extremely. I'm just saying since it was largely disorganized that these small pros didn't get their chance. I guess it's a matter of time and when they'll try again?

[DLCWIdem]

54. They needed the numbers to get in but only some were rubes

There were several distinct groups. Some more organized and violent than the others. Other groups were hypnotized dumb rubes going along with the mob.

[SheltieLover]

4. Absolutely!

[Corgigal]

5. Yes,

I agree. Hands up.

Hawley and Cruz are too stupid to understand, they are lucky to be alive,

[Blue_true]

29. Hawley and Cruz were their heroes, they wouldn't have been harmed.

Speaker Pelosi, Senate-President elect Schumer, Senator Mitt Romney, they would have been in trouble if the organized terrorists had managed to get to them.

[dflprincess]

69. And The Squad

Leadership would have had priority but I'm sure they had a long hit list.

[Blue_true]

84. Yes. The Squad would have been on their target list too, along with Rep. Maxine Walters. nt

[Dem2theMax]

6. Agreed. nt.

[Midnightwalk]

7. No doubt

[muntrv]

8. I believe many lawmakers would have been killed.

[Hoyt]

11. I'm not sure they would have been, but not willing to take a chance.

Fact is, they never should have been let up steps, no large protest group — much less insurrectionists — should be allowed that far.

[dweller]

12. It was the plan

Pence sacrificed for his betrayal, Pelosi and Schumer and possibly McConnell as targets ...

[Blue_true]

34. Add Senator Mitt Romney and other republicans who have been speaking

out against Trump’s actions since the election. McConnell and Thune would have been on their harm list due to both recently recognizing Biden’s win.

[bdamomma]

45. I could

believe this doesn't tRump have an enemies list??? And he loves chaos and violence he wouldn't think twice to "off" some lawmakers.

[Skraxx]

48. Yup, that was the plan, multiple high level fatalities

And Martial law. Voila.

[Irish_Dem]

14. He has been trying to get people killed all along.

Killing members of Congress would have been consistent with his other behavior.
He especially put a target on Pence's back.
And Pelosi was high up on his list I am sure.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

16. I do. Not by the aimless crowds so much, strolling through...

... the building like on a tour, but by the more serious-looking guys with the plastic zip-ties used to bind wrists.

And they erected gallows outside for their intended public executions.

Edit: I'm not sure if Trump coordinated it, though. He and his family have obviously closely tracked the Nazis and white supremacists in online media, sometimes forwarding their insanity and later getting criticized when the source was later uncovered by the media and others. That's their biggest fanbase, so of course those narcissists love it.

[The Roux Comes First]

19. While It Should In No Way Be Taken to Limit His Culpability or Liability

I have never been convinced that anything remotely resembling "planning" should appear in a sentence with this rapidly rotting yam. Throwing gas on the fire, bringing evil influences together, identifying heinous objectives, absolutely. But there had to be some retired military, logistics, and systems analysis types in the mix, too. Though, mercifully for everyone, still not enough adults in the room.

[Demsrule86]

42. I used to think that until the phone call with Raffensberger.

[The Roux Comes First]

67. I Confess I Couldn't Bring Myself to Listen to That Call

Are you suggesting it revealed a new, almost organized program concocted by the yam? I'm interested in details.

Perhaps it disproves my skepticism as to 45's moxie or skill at 1.5 dimensional chess. But of course the outcome of that call wasn't great for little donnie either.

[Demsrule86]

82. He is not the dolt we imagine. He can be very

Focused and knowledgeable about things he cares about.

[Merlot]

21. Yes, I believe that was the goal. The professionals were there.

I also believe that what happened yesterday could not have been achieved without the coordination and cooperation of many layers of individuals, under the direction of Trump, and being birthed with the changes of Pentagon personnel made by Trump.

[Tanuki]

47. Erik Prince also might have had something to do with it.

[MustLoveBeagles]

22. I do

[H2O Man]

23. Recommended.

I do.

[Claire Oh Nette]

24. I didn't know it was gonna be a hit, Mikey....

Not sure if Hawley or Cruz is Fredo...



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[Bev54]

33. Yeah, they were calling out looking for Pence, heard in the halls.

[dweller]

36. Hang Mike Pence

Was a chant they’ve recorded

✌🏻

[Lady Freedom Returns]

30. I know they would have killed them if they got ahold of...

them! Trumpers are bloodthirsty little magots!

[JohnnyRingo]

37. A few of them could have stayed behind and found out.

I can think of a couple volunteers right off the top of my head.

[Wawannabe]

41. Highly probable

Ok. Yes

[MoonlitKnight]

43. It certainly looks that way

It might take months or years to learn the full story. At this point calling it an attempted coup is accurate and not hyperbole in any way. He must be impeached. And we know that the vote to impeach will be bipartisan. Then he must be removed by the Senate or have those who supported the attempted coup forever in the Congressional Record.

[BainsBane]

44. The Acting Secretary of Defense was complicit

and refused to answer the phone when the MD national guard sought permission to enter DC. It was a deliberate attempt at a coup. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214848966

[bdamomma]

50. makes sense

this was a coordinated effort, I hope they find out more.

tRump needs to be removed ASAP. He's a snake, and he knows it. Just like his story.

We cannot let him stay in office.

[BainsBane]

52. There needs to be an investigation too

and his entire traitorous family needs to be imprisoned as terrorists.

[Skraxx]

46. I Believe it was actually a primary objective

If Pence was assassinated, for example, Trump would have an excuse for Martial law.

[demtenjeep]

49. yes they were going for Pelosi

VP Harris would be on their target list too


also Pence

[EndlessWire]

51. Yeah

It probably would have been a surprise to many of the fodder dogs used as cover, but they would have taken prisoners.

Trump has been learning and experimenting. He sees other dictators killing in various ways, and he is eager to try it on his own. He's been escalating. It would have been easy to imagine that he would have consented to a few executions there.

[dweller]

53. All Roads Lead Back to Putin

There was a reason Pelosi brought that up again today in her presser ...
get it back to the front of everyone’s mind

✌🏻

[Ilsa]

55. I think they would have gone after the Muslim women first.

Yes, I think they could have used them to get what they wanted and then kill them.

[Quixote1818]

56. They were screaming they were going to kill them when they broke the window

in the one video.

[Diraven]

58. We're delving into conspiracy theory territory here

If there were "many layers of individuals" including Pentagon personnel, someone would have leaked, knowing this inept administration. Especially a conspiracy that depends on idiots, rubes, and dupes to provide cover.

[BobTheSubgenius]

61. Elected members and some staff - I don't know how many, and it may have been very few -

were in fear for their lives and were phoning their families. One female congresswoman called her husband to tell him where her will was.

That was a gut punch, at least for me.

[badboy67]

63. 100 percent planned.

He's got 2 weeks left "in charge."

And he's gonna use them.

Yesterday was a test run.

AND...

What did Bill Barr know, and is this why he resigned a couple of weeks ago???

[dustyscamp]

64. No Magats are all talk and no action

They are all dumb keyboard warriors or gravy seals with no experience with firearms or explosive devices whatsoever. This was just a fluke. Once Trump is gone they will never be heard from again.

-People who underestimate how dangerous Magas can be

[Laura PourMeADrink]

65. Simple test of logic... What are the chances that this one

time, when trump the devil is corralling thousands of his known to be volatile supporters, and he and his sons are egging people on to go to the capitol AND the Cap police try something new with Protection - lite all happening at the same time? A trillion to one.

[C Moon]

70. Almost like the Nazi's Night of the Long Knives.

[Jon King]

74. Once Biden Harris take over DOJ, FBI...

This will unravel, people will turn on each other. This was a planned operation with dozens conspiring. Offer one player immunity and they will spill the beans. The mob was just a cover. This story is going to be absolutely epic once all the details come out over the next few months.

[Demobrat]

75. I think it's a miracle

they weren’t.

[Victory at Yorktown]

76. What if Putin/Russia organized this whole protest

And had a few professionals mixed in among those bozos? Make it seem uncoordinated but was actually highly coordinated. They had access to Pelosi’s office, and all their offices. They seemed to know where they were going. They could have planted listening devices, bombs, tracers for future bombs (inaugural), the trademark assassination method Russian poison.....This might have been step one in a still active Coup attempt. I hope the Country is taking this seriously, and those offices completely sweeped.

[malaise]

79. nailed it

Rec

[UCmeNdc]

81. Investigate! A full investigation is needed!

[UpInArms]

83. Photos tell the tale

[orangecrush]

85. Undoubtedly.