Could a retired military "senior officer" be court martialed for carrying zip ties

[Renew Deal]

to the Senate floor? What is the range of punishment insurrection by a military officer?

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[mr_lebowski]

1. Like I mentioned as this was happening ... any BLACKWATER (or similar) experience on his resume? nt

[Renew Deal]

2. Great question.

I've been thinking about that since De Vos resigned.

[catbyte]

4. +1000

[mopinko]

6. well, i was asking what the payback for that pardon would be...

[catbyte]

3. jfc. There is no doubt in my mind that this was an attempted coup. Not a "riot" or a

"demonstration that got out of hand by overzealous MAGAts."

This is cold-blooded organization. Government officials were supposed to die. Heads need to roll.

[MyOwnPeace]

5. I would think it would be like they could do with Flynn.....

As had been discussed earlier, call him back to active duty, THEN court martial.

Seems simple - smart - efficient - don't know if it can be done.

Sure would love it!

[rzemanfl]

8. +1. n/t

[Sgent]

18. For all we know

that was Flynn in the picture.

[Bluethroughu]

7. I hope so.

Prison for Sedition.

[marybourg]

9. Well, for all their failings, the Capital Police

did manage to keep all Senators, Representatives and staff safe.

[Renew Deal]

13. The lady that got shot would have reached the doors that lead to the House chamber.

And that leads to the evacuation tunnels.

[marybourg]

17. That's why they shot her.

They did that part of the job well,

[Hassin Bin Sober]

49. The shooter appeared to be plainclothes security. Possibly assigned to Speaker Pelosi...

.... or some other high level protectee. In other words, someone that would be accountable versus a selfie taking cop.

[marybourg]

53. Interesting.

[backscatter712]

54. Yep. Hate to say it, but that's a good shoot.

It's not like they didn't give plenty of warning.

Give that QAnon lady a Darwin Award.

[Corgigal]

10. Just something

I will put here. Years back , at my house, we had an attempted breaking and entering. They didn’t get in, so we were relieved. Later, we let the dogs out, in the fenced back yard, and found a handful of zip ties. It changed the entire feel.

This still bothers me , and now my grown daughter to this day. No honest reason to carry those, none.

[BusyBeingBest]

19. That is hair-raising and creepy. Glad it ended up ok for you.

[BusyBeingBest]

11. Not really an overreaction for an officer to have shot one of the perps (Babbitt), in light of this-

I think the misplaced sympathy comes from her being female, but it's a shame they didn't either arrest these terrorists (who are outfitted for taking a hostage) or stop them with force, because they might not be caught. They are still out there, these psychopaths.

[Nevilledog]

42. People forget it was a female with extensive combat training

[BusyBeingBest]

44. Yeah, this obviously wasn't a case of a wife or girlfriend being dragged along

into trouble by the men in their lives. She was gung-ho and committed, and also had a background that made her a match for the cops.

[qazplm135]

12. As a now retired judge advocate LTC

I have recalled, tried and convicted two retirees for crimes (rape and child sex assault), so short answer is yes you can.

[MLAA]

23. Thanks for the insight. 🙂

Hoping Flynn is one of the traitors who gets such treatment as he earned it.

[onetexan]

46. Re: Flynn, wouldn't that be poetic justice!! I don't doubt he has ties to this insurrection &

hope they nail his seditious ass.

[cstanleytech]

39. Were they crimes they committed prior leaving the military or after they left?

[qazplm135]

45. Prior

But could still be tried for crimes after retiring in theory.

[vercetti2021]

14. Capital punishment

The intent to kidnap and possibly kill an elected member of congress

[dalton99a]

15. Kick

[LizBeth]

24. The man with military hair cut over orange hat guys shoulder is with him in other pictures

I would be looking at him too

[GoCubsGo]

32. Cover your fucking nose, you brain-dead asshole.

[greenjar_01]

38. Dude in the Kryptek camo does not know the dumbfuck in the purple and orange

One is serious. The other is a clown.

[dutch777]

16. Assuming he is truly retired...not in the Reserve or the Guard...other than the disgrace...

...probably gets handled and charged like a civilian. I always wonder about this as a vet. I took the same oath he took, and while I only did 4 years and have no retirement, Reserve duty or other strings to tie me to that oath, I take it as seriously today, maybe more so because every day I better understand the values of the Constitution, than I did the day I raised my hand, repeated it and swore to it.

[Demsrule86]

30. No necessarily. The military has the option to bring them back into the military and court martial

them...for their crimes.

[dutch777]

33. Ok...lets do both!

[dutch777]

35. Ok...lets do both!

[Demsrule86]

47. Yup do it!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

51. I like the way you think!

Can we enlist him in the Navy and have him keel-hauled? Just spitball in’

[roamer65]

20. Loss of pension and VA benefits?

I would hope so.

[Massacure]

36. It could be much worse than that for him

Retired military personnel are not considered separated and are subject to recall in times of national emergency. As the they are still part of the armed forces, they are still subject to the Unified Code of Military Justice.

If the military wanted, they could charge this person with a number of things such as sedition, rioting, and conduct unbecoming an officer. That would very likely result in brig time and his dismissal. A dismissal is basically an officer's version of an enlisted person's dishonorable discharge. As a dismissed officer, he would lose his retirement pay, his VA benefits, the right to bear arms, the right to vote, and would become ineligible for almost any kind of government assistance.

An enlisted member could potentially cut a deal with the military for a bad conduct discharge instead of a dishonorable one, which isn't quite as life altering. The officer doesn't have that luxury.

[roamer65]

37. THIS.

[backscatter712]

56. He could get a firing squad.

The military frowns on attempts to overthrow the government. Mutiny and sedition carry the death penalty in the UCMJ.

[roamer65]

57. So be it.

[msongs]

21. are zip ties illegal? is it illegal to carry them? nt

[Renew Deal]

22. What was he going to do with them?

[EarthFirst]

26. Those arent zip tie per se...

Those are hand restraints used by law enforcement to restrain an individual.

Are they illegal? I'm not sure.

Regardless; his intend was not to bind extension cords in the garage or hang Christmas lights...

[backscatter712]

52. I've seen them too. Where'd this shithead get them?

Normally the only way to get them is to order them from a law-enforcement supply company, and I imagine they don't just sell those to any idiot, most of the items they sell are restricted to LEOs only.

[meadowlander]

43. It's illegal to be on the Capitol grounds when they are closed.

The zip ties are evidence of mens rea for wrongful imprisonment charges.

[mathematic]

55. Is violent insurrection illegal? Is it illegal to participate in one?

Asking if zip ties are illegal as if people want to arrest this guy for fucking zip ties. Why would you do that.

[backscatter712]

58. They're kidnapping tools. And evidence he intended to commit that crime.

[mackdaddy]

25. Off duty cops and military in the mob tried to get in by "flashing their IDs"!!

Meanwhile, a current Metro D.C. police officer on the scene yesterday said in a public Facebook post that off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the Capitol.
6:40 PM · Jan 7, 2021·

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[coti]

27. I also wonder if the ex-military murderers Trump pardoned could have been involved.

Seems like Trump has been grooming that resource for some time.

[Flaleftist]

28. Zip ties.. clear intention to take hostages. When he is identified, he is fucked.

If there was some coordination, he likely has information he will be winning to trade for a lighter punishment.

[Vivienne235729]

29. Wow. How the hell do we go about cleaning up LE? The FBI warned us

14 yrs ago about white supremacist infiltrating LE and we did nothing. Not a damn thing. How are we to move forward from here when it is so rampant now?

[Kid Berwyn]

31. Ah. The Straw Boss.

Wonder to whom he answers?

[Demsrule86]

34. Yes this was an assassination attempt...who knows how many would have died.

[PatrickforO]

40. Those zip ties were to restrain members of Congress so they could be

publicly executed by these traitorous scum.

[meadowlander]

41. If #31 on the attached isn't a merc

I don't know WTF he is thinking:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14852366

[Paladin]

48. I want this scumbag convicted and housed UNDER a prison---for life. (nt)

[backscatter712]

50. Punishable under the UCMJ...

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/punitive-articles-of-the-ucmj-3356859

Mutiny and Sedition is punishable by death.