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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, about that low-keyed, quiet guy who could nail down the presidency
No Republican can win the presidency without winning Ohio. It's become a purple state. But Sherrod Brown, Democratic Senator of Ohio, has been winning elections there since 2006.
He's liberal, he's smart, and when he speaks, everyone can understand his positions, his beliefs, his values, and his dedication to healing America after a couple of years of Trump madness, and a few decades of Republican insanity.
In 2020, I will vote for any Democrat who is nominated. I believe that virtually any Democratic candidate can beat the orange creature. Or, if the creature is gone, that any Dem can beat the malicious, hollow man named Mike Pence.
Right now, we have enough Dems running for president to jam a Manhattan subway car. Many will drop out along the way. And we will eventually end up with a front runner and then a candidate.
Put the name Sherrod Brown in the back of your mind. It's possible to be low-keyed, soft-spoken, yet be endowed with greatness. No one can predict what lies ahead. But Brown might just be the one to put America back onto the tracks from which we've fallen.
lkinwi
(1,510 posts)Thekaspervote
(33,963 posts)dem4decades
(11,720 posts)klook
(12,672 posts)MH1
(18,059 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,863 posts)onit2day
(1,201 posts)Afterall, they're all Bernies now
DownriverDem
(6,463 posts)Being from Michigan I have watched Sherwood Brown for quite some time. The key for us Dems is to have a candidate that can win a national election. I think Brown can do it.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I think Ill support the Democratic Nominee. I really cant deal with the infighting in DU during Presidential primaries and will not engage in it. Falling in love too soon can and will lead to heartbreak.
Besides, love really isnt very objective.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)And no, I dont have a fave yet. I dont know enough to have any big opinions.
marble falls
(60,144 posts)I could vote for each and every Democratic possibility right now. I refuse to choose a favorite until next year. I refuse to join the squabble. We managed to disenchant too many voters last time doing just this over a couple candidates last time.
efhmc
(14,862 posts)marble falls
(60,144 posts)efhmc
(14,862 posts)Raining now but small pellets of sleet yesterday. I'm already tired of no sunshine. I do not understand how Northerners do it.
marble falls
(60,144 posts)and is not needed since 90% of all these very good candidates believe in 90% of the same things - the WH is ours with any of them.
We should be shoring up our new Congressional seats and trying to pick up the few GOP Senate seats available in 2020.
efhmc
(14,862 posts)I do not see myself campaigning for anyone at this point. I would attend any meetings of candidates who come as close as Austin but no donation until we actually have a candidate. Saving up for that person.
irisblue
(33,723 posts)Brown & his ex-wife had, like many of us, had angry moments during the divorce process. I have not seen the legal papers, just the rumors on the internet, of an incident of domestic violence. The ex-wife has denied this, she & her second husband have held fund raisers for Sen Brown couple of times. I understand the relationships between the couples are cordial.
This will come up during his campaign, it did during his last Senate campaign. Dark & Deep $ will be out for him.
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)Our candidates are all already under attack.
Attacks will be MUCH, MUCH worse in 2020.
VA attacks just a practice run!
Didn't KAV warn 'We're coming after you!'
And Amy not even saying she'll run, and there're attacks on her!
Didn't she DARE to question Kav??
lastlib
(24,364 posts)The tricks will be DIRTY and MASSIVE in 2020. Keep your eyes peeled.
Dirty voter suppression tactics will be on full throttle. GOP/Russian/Koch lies will be rampant. It's going to be ugly. We may have to fight ugly with ugly.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Divide and conquer.
True Blue American
(18,096 posts)But I would hate to lose Sherrod. He is one of the few bright spots in Ohio.
We could use a man who works hard for the middle class. But honestly that is what Democrats do
babylonsister
(171,411 posts)Sherrod Browns ex-wife refutes claims of domestic abuse
https://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180913/sherrod-browns-ex-wife-refutes-claims-of-domestic-abuse
irisblue
(33,723 posts)babylonsister
(171,411 posts)From the article:
Just hours after the Daily Caller in Washington reported a video was airing accusing Brown of abusing his former wife in the 1980s, Renacci, a Republican congressman from Wadsworth, told The Columbus Dispatch: Sherrod Browns well-documented history of domestic violence is deeply troubling. Ohioans deserve to know all the facts, and judge his fitness for public office for themselves.
But in a statement issued by Browns office, Larke Recchie said this isnt the first time someone has gone after my family to score cheap political points. Im dismayed that Congressman Renacci would do something this shameless, despite the fact that Ive already addressed this matter.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ZapataViva
(60 posts)Discord strikes again!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)24. It never ends
Discord strikes again!
ZapataViva
(60 posts)We are constantly told by some her to keep from fighting a civil war on this forum. I try to adhere to that. But these constant passive-aggressive attacks on Bernie (and to a lesser extent AOC) get tiresome. I've been in the Democratic Party since I turned 18 in 1972, and you know, what? Bernie, Independent that he is, had a better message than our D candidate in the last prexy election, a person, btw, who I voted for in the general. I'm not an independently wealthy person, so bigger social security checks matter to me, as do stronger Medicare and Medicaid programs. To me, the message is far more important than the messenger. And guess what, I'm still a proud Democrat!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... for obvious reasons.
ZapataViva
(60 posts)Listen, I've got no bone to pick with you--you're probably a nice person. But please lighten up on the attacks--they never sit well with people like me, and cause me to resent people in my own party, which I don't want to do. I consider the Gopers to be my enemies, not other Democrats. We are all on the same side here!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I also do not consider other Democrats to be my enemies. The insinuation that I consider Democrats to be so is an insult.
ZapataViva
(60 posts)You seem to throw darts on a pretty regular basis. But re-read what I posted, I said that I don't like to consider other Democrats enemies--you read into that.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)marble falls
(60,144 posts)" I will always try to remain respectful in my comments, though some will undoubtedly be considered provocative. "
Just saying.
ZapataViva
(60 posts)I did try to remain respectful. Undoubtedly some were considered provocative.
marble falls
(60,144 posts)ZapataViva
(60 posts)That was an attempt to say no hard feelings, we're all on the same side. It was not reciprocated.
marble falls
(60,144 posts)strong opinions I've never known her to push anyone personally the way you have her.
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George II
(67,782 posts)Quixote1818
(29,908 posts)Why be mean and mock them?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cha
(302,642 posts)Because she likes Dems.. you accuse her falsely of attacking you?
That's ridiculous.
efhmc
(14,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Quixote1818
(29,908 posts)I gave up biting a long time ago because a few here really don't want to come together. There are just a handful here who continue to want to fight the last election over and over with the passive aggressive jabs despite the DU rules which are designed to bring us together. You can reach out and try to make friends and attempt to bring one another together a million times but they don't care. They will just say "Who me????? I'm not trying to be passive aggressive and make others feel uncomfortable here!" Rather than say, "Humm, I guess I can see your point, we really are on the same side and that election was in the past. I will try to not do that in the future."
In the future I suggest you just ignore the jabs. They are looking for a reaction.
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Cha
(302,642 posts)like BS.. who brings it on himself with his own words.
And, that post had misinformation in it.. so it wasn't " very eloquent" at all.
Gothmog
(151,833 posts)Cha
(302,642 posts)BS brings the negativity on himself with his own words..
Bernie: 'My Opponents' Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates Regardless of What They Stand For
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251
He's too divisive.
George II
(67,782 posts)cstanleytech
(26,803 posts)others are not as that weakened us a bit and it helped divide the DU the last time.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)cstanleytech
(26,803 posts)So, since we have a long way to go before we finally get down to really choosing our final candidate how about we ease up a bit and simply wait and see who decides to run and what they offer up.
Then we can weigh all their potential their pluses and minuses and hopefully choose a candidate that will kick Trumps ass to the side of road where it belongs, ok?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I prefer actual Democrats. How can I be any clearer?
ZapataViva
(60 posts)is doing that, nobody is saying that, nobody is throwing darts . . .
Those seem to be the go-to refrains.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)lillypaddle
(9,605 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)at140
(6,117 posts)the fold or may discourage them from showing up at the polls.
It is well known fact that Bernie brought out many first time voters who had stayed home in the past.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)104. I don't know if that line will bring Bernie voters into
the fold or may discourage them from showing up at the polls.
It is well known fact that Bernie brought out many first time voters who had stayed home in the past.
Arguments like that are little more than an appeal to fears and emotions and indication of position of weakness when it comes to advocating or arguing a specific position.
Here's the thing, I'm certainly willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But I have to tell you... if we take you at your word (and at face value) then you're falsely portraying those voters as being shallow, petty and bitter. I'll have to disagree with you on that, because it's simply not true!
All I'm saying is that it's completely absurd to think that those voters actually care (as much as you seem to care) what I think.
at140
(6,117 posts)running on the progressive agenda. I am certain there are a whole bunch of flattering aspects to the candidate(s) you like and prefer. Let's hear it!
I have a gut feeling the bitterness between Hillary and Bernie camps in 2016 may have lost Hillary some votes in November 2016. In close elections every vote counts. A more harmonious democratic primary in 2016 could have produced a different result. Of course that is just my feeling and I or any one else can't definitively prove it or disprove it.
I am really looking forward to 2020 without a circular firing squad.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)No matter who wins the nomination, there are places in the next cabinet for some amazing people. It makes me giddy.
world wide wally
(21,782 posts)CTyankee
(64,511 posts)I think he has a face and style that America loves and he and Harris would be a formidable duo...
ooky
(9,383 posts)I can foresee him having appeal to voters in battleground rust belt states. Also to independent voters who swung to Trump and figured out later he lied to them - his dignity of work message could resonate with them. Maybe he could even turn Ohio into a possible battleground state.
Fresh_Start
(11,336 posts)but I'd surely like that ticket to also include a smart woman (i.e., no Sarah Palin types).
I love Kamala and Warren...either would bring geographic diversity to the ticket) midwest + west or midwest + northeast
And Stacy Abrams...is just a wow to me...She could bring more Southern voters...
For a non-politician, I sort of dream of Sally Yates....
irisblue
(33,723 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,336 posts)or are you calling me an idiot?
Either is fine ...just trying to make sure I understand
irisblue
(33,723 posts)I'd be much happier with her as AG then the last 2.
Sneederbunk
(14,863 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,336 posts)Sherrod Brown's seat is probably only 50% chance of being succeeded by a democratic senator, so based on whose more valuable as a senator, that would argue that Brown shouldn't run for higher office.
Dopers_Greed
(2,647 posts)He would still be a great presidential candidate, but just saying.
shanti
(21,702 posts)to be our next Senator. We can afford for Harris to be President.
TeamPooka
(25,025 posts)people, cause if he wins either post then a GOP Gov gets to name his replacement,
there is no rule or law in OH that the replacement must be of the same party
We can't with the White House without winning the senate
If don't win the Senate we get no SCOTUS nominations, judges or anything because of McConnell.
ibegurpard
(16,806 posts)Who replaces Sherrod Brown in the Senate? Not enough people are thinking about that.
irisblue
(33,723 posts)There are some good examples & potentials here, State Rep David Leland, Ohio 22nd district in C-bus, Rep Joyce Beatty Ohio 3rd CD, has a safe seat here in C-bus, State Rep Kristin Boggs, Ohio 18th, nice legislative record. There are up and comers.
klook
(12,672 posts)MissMillie
(38,845 posts)Of course there is no way to predict what events will transpire in the next 20+ months... however, if Mr. Trump continues to alienate people and the GOP does NOT distance themselves from him the Democrats have a shot at it.
There are 22 senate seats up for re-election, and Lamar Alexander of TN has decided he won't run. With no incumbent I think the Dems could have a shot at his seat.
I think Susan Collins of ME may have pissed off enough people (over Kavanaugh) that her seat might be get-able.
I don't know how popular Cory Gardner is, but if Trump continues to be unpopular Colorado could be in play. And I think Arizona could be in play as well.
It's all about getting out the vote.
MH1
(18,059 posts)Any idea what R senators are up in mid-west states where we have a good shot at picking them off, if we have a great Prez ticket that brings our people out in those states?
UTUSN
(71,893 posts)Roy Rolling
(7,106 posts)Makes me think the President/Vice President combination of Democrats will make Republicans seem shallow.
GentryDixon
(3,000 posts)greymattermom
(5,789 posts)And can answer any reporter's question while sounding reasonable and even friendly.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But Ohio is important, that's true.
LAS14
(14,258 posts)irisblue
(33,723 posts)Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)is one of the only bright spots in mostly RWNJ Ohio. Those Repugs down state have their heads in the 1950s and up their asses at the same time. But I would also love to see him run.
Doremus
(7,263 posts)A very solid progressive and a good man.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)and I won't until I hear more from all the candidates. I like Sherrod Brown a lot, though.
I'll support any real Democrat (as opposed to a temporary one) in the General except for Tulsi Gabbard, who'll be an early dropout anyway, so I'm not worried about that.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)As a State Representative for Ohio.
He was a guest speaker at my little country High School in 1976 as the youngest state rep ever in Ohio. Only the senior class was invited (which included my big sister), I remember how much I really wanted to go. He has consistently been a voice for the middle class, my dad, who was a steelworker his entire life, Loved Sherrod. I hope i get to cast a vote for him for President.
quakerboy
(14,054 posts)What are the odds on keeping the seat if Brown steps up?
Any dem should be able to beat either of them. If we bother to do our own careful vetting and if we are willing to unite behind a single dem.
irisblue
(33,723 posts)He won in 2018, the seat would be up if Brown won in 20, but Brown, doesn't have to run for Senate till 24. This actually is the best timing for him. If Brown wins POTUS/VPOTUS, the GOP gov would appoint a gop-er undoubtedly till the next election in 24, & that true asshole Portman would become senior senator. Sen Brown took the seat from the current gop gov-DeWine.
The newish state Dem Party chair, David Pepper, is building a bench in this reddish purple state.
klook
(12,672 posts)MH1
(18,059 posts)I am all for Sherrod - he is #1 on my list at the moment - but we should recognize we need to pick up another Senate seat to replace him, since when he wins the Prez race, his seat will become GOP until at least 2024.
On the flip side, with his mid-west cred, he has the potential of a coattails effect that might help pick up another seat in a normally difficult state. (not sure what that would be at the moment, might need to consult Nate Silver or others)
We need to be looking at who can run for Senate in those potential coattail states, to make up the seat.
Gothmog
(151,833 posts)That is a negative
I really like Brown butworry about the Senate
irisblue
(33,723 posts)A hard core right winger-Mike DeWine.
Are there other Senate seats you can see flipping in 20?
quakerboy
(14,054 posts)At least temporarily, if Brown won the presidency.
CaliforniaPeggy
(151,326 posts)And I was lucky enough to meet him and to hear him talk. He wasn't campaigning and he wasn't there to impress all of us.
The occasion was to thank his donors for our support during the last Senate race.
He is intelligent, funny, low-keyed and extremely knowledgeable about American issues.
He is seriously considering running and I would be proud to support him if he does.
LAS14
(14,258 posts)his values."
radical noodle
(8,114 posts)Definitely ahead of some of them.
Hangdog Slim
(81 posts)I really like Brown. Thanks for the post. He is the real deal and I hope he gets some traction among Democrats.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)When I watched him the other day it sounded weak, as if it was giving out, but perhaps that's not the case?
I'm wondering as perhaps a VP from "the heartland." He's voted with Trump on some trade issues, which might be a plus in the running mate.
allgood33
(1,584 posts)Brown may have a better chance now on the ticket in first or second. Biden/Brown? Warren/Brown? Brown/Warren?
Trump has poisoned so many voters with hate, it's going to be tough no matter what. The new tax law may give us alll the help we need after April. There are lots of folks who suddenly realize thay have been lied to. They ignored the lies before but it's personal now.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Browns Midwest bona fides could extend to other Midwestern (post-) industrial states such as Michigan and Wisconsin, and beyondand thats where we lost last time.
Im not assuming that anti-Trump sentiment and its counter-policy correlates will be enough to overcome the bizarre electoral barriers that exist. We cant just win the popular vote (alas). And I worry somewhat about a coastal elites factor.
On the other hand, will Brown be able to reawaken the minority vote that lagged somewhat in the last election?
As far as I see it, youve either got to get the working class vote or a mega-minority vote to win this thing. Preferably both. That means that right now, there are three candidates Im looking at closely. Brown is definitely one of those.
Fearing loss of his Senate seat in Ohio is not a compelling reason to discount him.
MissMillie
(38,845 posts)He's front and center.
To be fair, I like all of the candidates thus far. It's just that I do understand the importance of winning OH.
If Klobuchar announces, she'd be a get too as I don't think we should automatically assume the Dems will take MN.
Otherwise, the other candidates thus far do not give us anything in the Electoral College that we don't already have.
Besides, Brown IS smart and he CAN present his arguments in a way that can rally people to his positions.
connecticut yankee
(1,728 posts)I've been impressed with him for years, after seeing him on TV talk shows. He's Liberal, Pro-Labor, totally unpretentious and down-to-earth and, most importantly, from Ohio which would help gain the Mid-West "rust belt" states.
I would like to see him run with Kamala Harris. She comes across brilliantly, and would get the women's and black votes.
I think if Hillary had selected him for VP, she would have won!
Cyrano
(15,228 posts)Even with all the voter suppression, Russian interference, and every other swinish Republican tactic for stealing elections, a Hillary/Brown ticket would have put her in the White House. And we wouldn't have to be suffering the incredible insanity that has gone on for two plus years, complements of Trump and the GOP.
sellitman
(11,646 posts)So many good choices. I'm still leaning towards Kamala though.
imavoter
(657 posts)I don't like to say it out loud, but people are stupid.
We need someone who can motivate people to go out and vote in the first place, because, frankly...
people stay home these days even when our lives are on the line.
Because smart just doesn't work any more. Not for the general public.
MH1
(18,059 posts)Someone who makes people feel more comfortable and secure. Someone they feel isn't bullshitting them like that guy they are so tired of.
I don't know. Just think when people are sick and tired of a style that has proven to be a cover for lies and fraud, they might welcome the exact opposite. Like a breath of fresh air.
imavoter
(657 posts)that's my point.
I'm around all kind of people all the time, and if you look at the stats...
let's say you are at the grocery store or the mall.. Most of those people didn't vote.
According to the voting polls, most people aren't even paying attention.
Obama had a rock star quality, that frankly, thank god he had one.
I hope I'm wrong.
Cyrano
(15,228 posts)If you want to be heard, whisper.
Ilsa
(62,080 posts)shanti
(21,702 posts)90-percent
(6,863 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 10, 2019, 06:53 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.apnews.com/f563f3438d234370ab400893daf427e7
-90% Jimmy
AJT
(5,240 posts)Horizens
(637 posts)With Sherrod Brown at the top of the ticket the Dems win Ohio, MI, PA, Wi, NY, NJ, CT, RI, VT, MD, VA, DE, MA, VA,
DC, MN, OR,CA, NM and IL. That's 277 Electoral votes - enough to win. No other candidate can make that claim.
AZ, NC and FL would also be in Play.
I was thinking that Amy Klobucher would be the perfect running mate but now have doubts given the news about her this week.
INdemo
(7,001 posts)and Gary hart would have won the nomination but was caught in a trap set by Republicans
Susan Calvin
(1,943 posts)Gothmog
(151,833 posts)His only negative is that he wins, we will lose that senate seat