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Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:27 AM

Please tell me who you would like to see get the Democratic nomination in 2020

All I'm hearing about so far is Sanders (1941), Biden (1942), and Warren (1949).

To me, that seems to be a thin bench.

Any others?

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Reply Please tell me who you would like to see get the Democratic nomination in 2020 (Original post)
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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:35 AM

1. Relax, there's time-- the serious contenders tend not to show up...

until later. First ones out of the gate are targets.

For now, we have to deal with the midterms-- it won't be the cakewalk we would like it to be.

And it is not just policy-- it's also who can actually win.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:42 AM

2. I wouldn't refer to them as bench players.

They clearly fit into the starting lineup. I’ve also been hearing a lot of names more often than Biden and Warren.

Warren would get my vote out of the three you mention if the primaries were to be held today. I would vote for the other two in the general but hope I never have to. Still, there will be others to look at when the time comes.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:58 AM

137. I meant "bench" as being apparently available and willing to get into the gsme

Maybe most potential Presidential prospects are keeping their powder dry until after the midterms.

However, historically some laid the groundwork for their campaigns very early on.

I just wanted to know if anyone else had popped up on other people's radar.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:50 AM

3. Adam Schiff is high on my list, Michael Avenatti on my fantasy list..LOL. n/t

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Response to monmouth4 (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:08 AM

29. I'm w you.

and E Swalwell VP.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #29)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:32 PM

82. That would definitely work..n/t

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 09:29 PM

159. That would be "geographically undesirable"

as both Schiff and Swalwell are from California. (It would be my dream team also, or perhaps Kamela Harris for the VP spot, but that doesn't solve the issue.) Historically, running mates are pulled from different states which would prove to be more diverse, rather than two from the same state where their backgrounds might be too concentrated and similar. East coast, South and Midwest would be looking for their share of representation.

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #159)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 09:49 PM

161. Warren/Swalwell?

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Response to monmouth4 (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:14 AM

35. Absolutely!

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:02 AM

4. Samuel L. Jackson

Scare the racists back to their hatey holes.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:21 AM

5. Russ Feingold. nt

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:31 AM

20. +1

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:41 AM

6. Too many variables at play

This conversation cannot be had until after the midterms.

It will all depends on who is seated next January, the actions against the American people 45/140's administration will take next year, and what our beautiful blue Congress does to TRY to counter 45's sick nature.


One more thing - the National Popular Vote pact. CT just signed on. I think it's 94 more electoral votes needed . . . If a few more high electoral votes sign on -

Everything we've known about the electoral map is changed dramatically. Too many variables at play for anyone to commit AND we've GOT to stick together until AFTER the midterms.


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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:46 AM

7. Agreed

It is really too early and from what I have read, the early front runners rarely end up as the nominee.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:51 AM

8. Senator Warren,

She's fearless, and so smart and is a real person, and not a fraud, and honest. Kate Brown is also a rising star and also like Senator Warren. I would rather see someone who hasn't run before. Sorry Biden and Bernie fans. No matter who is chosen for the Democrats is who gets my vote and support. They need to not divide the party up or they will lose.

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Response to duforsure (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 08:14 AM

13. I like Warren's message

The Party would do well to listen to her.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:09 AM

32. Emphasis on fearless.

She's so informed. Love that she can cleave through the craziness and keep her focus.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:13 AM

33. I would be fine with Elizabeth... just hope she chooses Bernie to be her running mate.

Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #33)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:10 PM

120. Not much chance of that since the rules changed.

I just don't see Bernie joining the party.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #120)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:30 PM

126. I disagree, but, if Bernie doesn't run as a Democrat, he would lose my vote for sure...

and I'm guessing a lot of other's too.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #33)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 08:01 PM

131. Not Bernie .... another woman please. WOMAN President and VP

Bernie isn't even a Democrat!!!

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #131)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 08:40 PM

132. Oh yeah, I forgot that about Bernie... hadn't been mentioned for the millionth time.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:54 AM

9. National Popular Vote - flying under the radar

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/05/30/electoral-college-reform-movement-made-great-strides-month-it-enough

Last week, with little fanfare, Connecticut governor Dannel Malloy signed a bill that officially adds his state to the National Popular Vote Compact.

The compact, which only goes into effect when states totaling 270 electoral votes legally enter into it, allocates all participating states’ electoral votes to the presidential candidate that wins the national popular vote. In other words, all the states in the compact collectively agree to give their electoral votes to the country’s most popular candidate, regardless of the results in any individual state. The election will therefore be determined by national popular vote with no constitutional amendment required.

The compact had widespread public support in the state: with 92 percent of Democrats, 62 percent of Republicans and 76 percent of unaffiliated voters in support.

“The vote of every American citizen should count equally, yet under the current system, voters from sparsely populated states are awarded significantly more power than those from states like Connecticut…This is fundamentally unfair,” explained Governor Malloy when the bill passed the CT state senate.


I think more "Intolerable Acts" could drive more states to sign on. As it is now, candidates will now have to pay attention to my state (NJ). They now have to appeal to voters in CT.

It's not just about Iowa and NH anymore.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:57 AM

10. we don't who but I tell you right now it won't be any of the 3 you named

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:58 AM

11. Kamala Harris. And I hope the large field of candidates is whittled down pretty quickly.

I don't look forward to seeing 20+ people on a primary debate stage with those who really have no chance of winning attacking those who do, so as to stand out and up their chances. Having a dozen top-tier candidates in a debate preceded by a debate of second-tier candidates isn't much better.

I certainly wouldn't liken it to a clown car like I did when that many were on the Republican primary debate stage, but it will still seem chaotic.

Harris with Sherrod Brown (or maybe Julián Castro) as VP sounds pretty good to me.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:18 AM

18. Sherrod Brown with Joe Kennedy III as VP...

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #18)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:21 AM

19. 2 white dudes. No thanks.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #19)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:35 AM

50. Whatever...what now we have to have pure ballots? I just want someone who can win...

The ones I mentioned would win.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #50)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:43 AM

57. I think honoring our diverse base and putting racism and sexism front and center is important.

Especially at this time in history. This is no time to placate those who want Democrats to shy away from "identity politics."

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #57)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:11 PM

153. Absolutely!

Let's have more brown faces, cut all the racists loose, and move forward. I feel the right strategy is to stress the distinction between us and them. It worked for Obama.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:04 AM

27. Here is my prediction for the size of the field of candidates.

Last edited Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:16 AM - Edit history (1)

I think 20 people will run. They will all be in the race by April and none will drop out until October. There will then be 5 withdrawals during the final quarter of the year, in October, November and December. That will leave 15 people in the race by the time the voting and caucusing starts.

So 15 people will enter the Iowa Caucuses. 3 will drop out after it is over. That means 12 people will contest the New Hampshire primary. And I think that 3 will drop out after it is over. That will leave 9 people in for the Nevada Caucuses, and, again, I think 3 will leave when it is over. 6 candidates will still be in for the South Carolina primary. And 3-4 will drop out when it is over.

I think we will be down to 2 or 3 candidates by the time Super Tuesday arrives. And so there will be 2 or 3 people in the debate (or debates, if there is more than one) between the early four contests and Super Tuesday. I hope my candidate, Tom Steyer, is one of them.

The early debates will probably be divided into two groups of candidates. The early show and the main stage, like with the GOP in 2016. Hopefully some of the debates will be on the weekends, so that the early candidates can get some coverage. But Bernie is probably going to insist on all weekday debates, since he claimed in 2016 that the weekend debates wouldn't be watched (which wasn't true). The debates will probably continue to be divided into two groups at least through New Hampshire, probably through Nevada. By South Carolina, assuming we are down to 6 candidates, everyone will be on one stage. If one or two lower tier candidates is still hanging on at that point, in spite of get 0.25 percent of the previous vote, than they might just get excluded.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #27)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:13 AM

34. Well, that's certainly a precise prediction.

I'm fairly confident we'll be down to 5 or fewer candidates before too terribly long, but I think we may start out with more than 20.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #34)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:41 AM

55. LOL, I hope I entertained you, rather than bored you, with my precise prediction.

My cousin-in-law said that he thinks 40 people will enter the race. I told him that I thought it would be more like 20. I actually don't think Elizabeth Warren will run, nor do I think Terry McCauliffe will run. But we should hit 20. I can't see us dropping to 5 before we get to South Carolina, and even then I think it will be 6. But if 4 contests leaves us with 2-3 candidates then I think that is reasonable.

I am almost positive that Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are both running. And I cannot see Bernie dropping out before Super Tuesday. Biden will certainly be in through South Carolina, maybe beyond. I just hope the candidate I plan on supporting, Tom Steyer, goes the distance and wins the nomination.

You want precise? Here is my prediction as to who will run:

Bernie Sanders
Joe Biden
Tom Steyer
Kamala Harris
Cory Booker
Martin O'Malley
Kirsten Gillibrand
Amy Klobuchar
John Hickenlooper
Chris Murphy
Kathleen Sebelius
Eric Holder
Luis Gutierrez
Julian Castro
Eric Garcetti
Mitch Landrieu
John Delaney
Tim Ryan
Jason Kander
Steve Bullock

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Response to StevieM (Reply #55)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:00 AM

69. Not bored by it at all. I appreciate the effort.

I can't see 40 people running. Maybe 25, which is absurd enough. A lot of folks are going to run who will very quickly discover they have no chance whatsoever. I just hope that they don't overshadow some of those who need to be taken more seriously.

I also worry about the likes of Tim Ryan running, as he'll promote the narrative that "identity politics" is the problem.

Like you, I don't expect Warren to run. And I don't expect the field to be down to 5 before South Carolina either.

It continues to bug me that Iowa and New Hampshire start things off, as neither state is remotely representative of our base.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #69)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:04 PM

108. Good points about Iowa and New Hampshire.

They should not bet the first states to vote in the Democratic primary.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #69)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:25 PM

156. Both have two advantages

1) They are small enough that a relative unknown can meet enough citizens, and if he/she impresses enough of them do well or even win Iowa. If you feel that the powers that be, the media etc have too much power -- Iowa and NH are won by retail politics. (that does not insure a good person - Trump won the Republican NH primary)

2) I would suggest that the elections are won in the purple states. You would need a very bad nominee for VT, MA or CA to go Republican or ID, WY and Utah to go Democratic. NH makes more sense than having very blue VT replace NH - even though it is smaller. (I would argue that - if we are going to change anything - I would move totally red states back -- unless there is a landslide, they are never going to be part of our victory. )

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Response to karynnj (Reply #156)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:29 AM

167. I think the first few states should be representative of the Democratic electorate.

Illinois, for instance.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #55)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:03 PM

107. I just hope that all the people on that list campaign for the one among them who

is picked as the candidate.

And I hope the VP is someone who brings in lots of voters.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:50 AM

66. Ms. Harris is my choice, also.



Tikki

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 08:04 AM

12. Joe Kennedy of course

Tom Hanks for Vice President

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 08:15 AM

14. Adam Schiff!

Next president please!!!

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 08:20 AM

15. Michael Avenatti.

He sucks media oxygen and fights. I would like a POC but we need a bulldog to beat a certain independant that runs as a democrat.

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:44 AM

22. You're joking right?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #22)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:55 AM

25. Why would I be joking?

He's a lawyer who has worked on both Biden and Obama campaigns. He is a former political operative. He is a strong DEM and has proven that with his activism. He captures the media and is a bull dog. He can win.

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:57 AM

26. Because he is completely unqualified to be president

And has never held any elected office in his life.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #26)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:08 AM

30. There are some who have been in office for decades

and have not accomplished much

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #30)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:34 AM

49. Ain't that the truth!! If we're lookin' at non-politicians, what about Ruth Bader Ginsburg??

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #49)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:55 PM

87. I would love her! nt

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #87)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 03:42 PM

95. Oh yeah... RBG is da bomb!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #49)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:14 PM

154. No - she would have to step down as SCJ and she is incredible in that role nt

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Response to karynnj (Reply #154)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 02:44 AM

172. Why would RBG have to step down?...

She doesn't hafta resign, so, if she loses, though highly doubtful, she would simply stay in place. If she wins, she could simply appoint herself back to Supreme Court and do both jobs as a Justice and the President. So what's the problem?

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #172)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:14 AM

175. The SC is non partisan - even though in practice, we speak of what 'side" they are on

As to the last point, she could not do both jobs - any more than Senator Obama, possibly immediately becoming the majority leader, could have stayed in the Senate and been President.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #175)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:57 AM

180. You underestimate RBG.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:57 AM

171. In 2 years she'll be an 87 yr. old two-time cancer survivor. n/t

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Response to oberliner (Reply #26)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:33 AM

48. i agree! thats like all the folk who wanted oprah to run..FFS....

...the experiment of putting a totally unqualified celeb in the most important job in the world has proven to be a totally disaster. EXPERIENCE COUNTS!!!

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Response to samnsara (Reply #48)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:36 AM

52. If you're using BLOTUS as an example, it's a bad one...

Hell, my cat Skittles could do a better job!!

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Response to oberliner (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:08 AM

183. That is not a disqualifying factor, it appears

and anyone is smarter than Dotard.

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:32 AM

170. Good point. He is a fighter. We definitely need that trait in our next candidate.

Someone intelligent, articulate, quick witted, and a fighter.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 08:42 AM

16. For the bazillionth time, Sanders is NOT a Democrat.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:22 AM

39. Bernie will run as a Democrat when he wins the 2020 Democratic nomination for President.

So what's the problem?

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #39)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:45 PM

85. The problem is that as a non-democrat

He doesn’t contribute to the resources and infrastructure of the party, but he will use those resources and infrastructure to run his campaign.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:17 AM

17. Let's get through 18 first...I do not believe Warren or Sanders will get the nomination...unlikely

for Biden but possible due to being VP during the Obama administration.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:42 AM

21. Tom Steyer (1957). He is my guy in 2020. (eom)

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:44 AM

23. Gov. Jay Inslee. Democrat.


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Response to oasis (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:41 AM

54. Yes

A relatively unknown (to the rest of the country) Governor often works, see Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. I'm from PA and have heard nothing but good things about him. Running mate: Sen. Amy Klobuchar (sp?), Sen. Bob Casey, Joe Kennedy III.
Our opposition will be 74 years old. PLEASE someone at least under 65!

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Response to Freddie (Reply #54)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 01:02 PM

88. Maybe a Hispanic Veep? Xavier Becerra or Julian Castro.

Our Latino brothers and sisters have been left out of the spotlight for too long.

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Response to oasis (Reply #88)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:03 PM

151. This is the right time for Latino politicians

The right has overplayed its hand, a Latina/o would strike the right note. I'm just feeling it's a good time for Latinos to provide a clear and direct voice of opposition to this ridiculous regime.

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Response to MountCleaners (Reply #151)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:09 PM

152. Not to forget newly minted Floridian Democrats from Puerto Rico. nt

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Response to Freddie (Reply #54)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:28 PM

121. Casey is pro-life. He won't be on the ticket.

And I don't care for Klobuchar. She is sponsoring legislation that puts pressure on foreign countries to open up to American adoptions, with aid cut off if they don't.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #121)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:08 PM

124. Would you prefer these children spend their lives imprisoned in shit orphanages?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #124)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:18 PM

125. I would prefer an end to coerced adoptions.

There are a lot of problems with fraud in international adoption. Guatemala was especially fraught with abuse for quite awhile.

I don't think U.S. aid should be based on a country's willingness to let us adopt from their countries.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #125)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 07:33 AM

138. The children are in shit orphanages because NO ONE in their country wants to adopt them.

So while moralists sit comfortably behind their keyboards in the U.S. these children live miserable lives waiting to be kicked out and thrown on the street when they are 16-18. You can find "abuse" and "fraud" everywhere if you look for it in ALL things. That is just an excuse to do nothing. Aid should be cut off and this bill should be supported.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #138)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 09:19 AM

139. I completely disagree with everything you have said.

I am not making excuses. Quite to the contrary, I am 100 percent dedicated to adoption reform, both at home and abroad. I have even deeper concerned about domestic adoption here in the United States.

When Guatemala closed off foreign adoption in their country those orphanages suddenly got less full, not more full.

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Response to oasis (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:41 PM

142. I like him too, but I'd like someone younger

He'll turn 70 soon after inauguration day.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:45 AM

24. Harris would be my top choice

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:04 AM

28. I like Kamala Harris

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:09 AM

31. Sanders please.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #31)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:14 PM

75. Lacks the judgement to be president. Surrounds himself with hotheads like Weaver and Turner

Can you imagine a cabinet full of volatile binary-thinking ideologues like that? Unfortunately I can. Poor judgement, not Presidential.

- Gets very defensive when asked to explain how to achieve policy goals. Not Presidential.

- Does not articulate well, makes constant gaffes, which is why we waste so much time saying “What Bernie really meant to say.” Not Presidential.

- When interviewers ask tough legit questions, he walks out. Not Presidential.

- Not financially transparent. Tendency to pay his family members with the money we donated to his campaign.

- Decries dark money PACs, yet set up a dark money PAC called Our Revolution.

- Many questionable votes on gun control and other issues that are important to the Democratic base.

Sorry, he is a great Senator for Vermont. He is not presidential material.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #75)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:35 PM

127. Bernie lacks the judgment?! Haha!! Rigghht, that's why many top potential 2020 Democratic candidates

are following Bernie's lead on many progressive issues he touted in 2016 and has continued pushing to this very day.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #127)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:12 PM

133. You lack objectivity. The other candidates can explain how to achieve those goals

Bernie falls apart or gets angry and defensive when he is asked for policy specifics.

It takes more that catch phrases, substance-free press releases, and sloganeering to accomplish goals.

The other candidates are capable of delivering concrete plans. They will deliver.

I supported him in Primary 2016. However I cannot support him in 2020 for the reasons I listed in my post above.

There will be no Sanders coronation. He will be asked tough questions this time.

Bernie is a good senator for the state of Vermont. He lacks the temperament to be President.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #133)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 09:32 AM

140. He'll have my support 100%

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #140)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 01:40 PM

143. Very good! Get ready to answer hard questions. He'll be vetted this time.

Press won’t treat him with kid gloves like they did in 2016.. Nor will his challengers. He’ll be held accountable for his questionable votes and his lack of specific policy proposals.

“It is ok when Bernie makes a shitty vote because reasons” ain’t gonna cut it this time.

He’s going to need explain why he has accomplished very little in his long long political career.

He’s going to have to spell out exactly how he is going to acheive his policy goals, and I do not believe he is capable of doing so. He hasn’t so far, and his latest interview on CNN suggests to me he lacks understanding of the basics of healthcare policy.



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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #143)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:26 AM

144. That's nice.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #144)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 01:38 AM

146. "Bernie Goes Full...Trump? Blames Hillary For Russian Interference"

Time for you to get to work explaining things away, I guess.

We’ll see a lot more of these kinds of gaffes and defensiveness ahead.

As I noted earlier, explanations like “Its ok when Bernie does it because reasons” or “What Bernie Really Meant To Say” ain’t gonna cut it in 2020.

—————————————————-

Bernie Goes Full…Trump? Blames Hillary For Russian Interference
FEB 22, 2018
https://thedailybanter.com/issues/2018/02/22/bernie-goes-full-trump-blames-hillary-for-russian-interference/

Last night, I saw this tweet, and variations of it, explode across my social media feeds:

"I did not know Russian bots were promoting my campaign."
"The real question to be asked is" why the Clinton campaign didn't do something.
— @SenSanders
Listen live
https://t.co/lK28FIrEZ9
— Vermont Public Radio (@vprnet) February 21, 2018

<snip>

Bernie Sanders on Wednesday blamed Hillary Clinton for not doing more to stop the Russian attack on the last presidential election. Then his 2016 campaign manager, in an interview with POLITICO, said he’s seen no evidence to support special counsel Robert Mueller’s assertion in an indictment last week that the Russian operation had backed Sanders’ campaign.

The remarks showed Sanders, running for a third term and currently considered a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, deeply defensive in response to questions posed to him about what was laid out in the indictment. He attempted to thread a response that blasts Donald Trump for refusing to acknowledge that Russians helped his campaign — but then holds himself harmless for a nearly identical denial.

<snip>

Worse, Sanders’ claims and those of Jeff Weaver, a longtime aide to the candidate, sounded exactly like Trump’s denials:

“The factual underpinning of that in the indictment is what? Zero,” Weaver said. “I have not seen any evidence of support for Bernie Sanders.”
“Two dudes sitting in a hole somewhere support Bernie Sanders — tell me what they did to support Bernie Sanders,” Weaver added later.


Yeah…when your talking points are identical to Donald Trump’s, it’s time to rethink the life choices that led you to this moment in time.

<much more at link>

———————————————————————————-

Sanders: "Aren't most of the people who sell the drugs African American?"

The experience was a new one for Sanders. On a trip to Seattle in August 2015, Black Lives Matter activists interrupted two events in one day. The next day, in a meeting with Don't Shoot PDX, a Portland group loosely affiliated with Black Lives Matter, Sanders repeatedly answered questions by referring the activists to his campaign website. (“He said: ‘I don't know you and u don't me, so you have to read my website, you can go on [there] and see my work and judge me from that,’" one attendee recalled in a Facebook post about the meeting.)

Around that time, the candidate brought on Symone Sanders to serve as his national press secretary and one of the first black faces of his campaign. During her first week on the job, she said, she told Sanders that he had to treat racial inequality and economic inequality as “parallel issues” — a suggestion she said he ran with. “I [told him], you know, economic equality is an issue. It’s something we need to address. But for some people it doesn’t matter how much money you make, it doesn’t matter where you went to school, it doesn’t matter what your parents do. It doesn’t matter that Sandra Bland had a job and was on her way to teach for her alma mater. It doesn’t matter. None of that matters.”

By the time his campaign aides scrambled to release a detailed criminal justice platform on Aug. 9, Sanders was still struggling. In a September meeting with Campaign Zero, a movement formed out of the Ferguson protests, activists asked Sanders why, in his opinion, there were a disproportionate amount of people of color in jail for nonviolent drug offenses. Sanders, seated across the table, a yellow legal pad at hand, responded with a question of his own, according to two people present: “Aren’t most of the people who sell the drugs African American?” The candidate, whose aides froze in the moment, was quickly rebuffed: The answer, the activists told him, was no. Even confronted with figures and data to the contrary, Sanders appeared to have still struggled to grasp that he had made an error, the two people present said.



https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/bernie-sanders-revolution-needs-black-voters-to-win-but-can?utm_term=.xhp4gKb0yx#.sfdvgAbDLn


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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #146)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 04:05 AM

147. Have fun. You have a whole year or so left

To pour out your divisive attacks on progressive leaders and Democrats, before the candidates start to announce and the DU rules tighten back up again.

Good thing we don’t have anything important coming up in the next five months eh, it’s not like uniting before the most important midterms in living memory might matter more than this playground shit that pisses off half the party and leaves us at each other’s throats while Trump and the deplorables laugh themselves silly.

Oh and spare me another novel on why your feelings are hurt because horrible Bernie said something mean one time. I care about the party winning in November and nothing else, if you’re not going to bite your tongue and contribute to that outcome then you’re as much an enemy to me as the Republicans are.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #147)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 06:59 PM

150. "Bernie Sanders Praises Trump-Kim Summit: Overall 'A Positive Step'"

Last edited Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:55 PM - Edit history (3)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142082026

The hits just keep on coming.

“Oh and spare me another novel on why your feelings are hurt because horrible Bernie said something mean one time. ”

Said something mean? Lol. I cited examples of things he said that are ignorant, dumb, and completely uninformed. He is not qualified to be President.


Additionally, You wrote:

“147. Have fun. You have a whole year or so left To pour out your divisive attacks on progressive leaders and Democrats, before the candidates start to announce and the DU rules tighten back up again. “

That’s a hell of a lot of projection, Kentonio.

Bernie, Jane, Nina Turner, Jeff Weaver and the second string sycophants on twitter are the ones attacking Democrats.

And it doesn’t escape us that the closer we get to 2018, the more Bernie and his crew are ramping up the anti-Democratic party rhetoric. It doesn’t surprise me that you are blind to that. But others are fully aware of the where the true divisiveness lies.

I stand proudly with left-liberal and progressive Democrats as I always have, several of whom I believe will be running for President in 2020. They are highly qualified statesmen and women with proven track records of accomplishments.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #150)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:52 AM

173. You're waffling about a presidential campaign that hasn't even begun.

Despite the fact we have the midterms in just a few months. You’re also doing so fully aware of the results of your actions. You know perfectly well that nothing you write is going to swing any minds, you’re just going to piss off large numbers of other Democrats and distract the narrative away from Trump and the GOP and on to internal division.

Does that make you feel proud? That you come here and drive wedges between factions of the party at a point where we need everyone laser focused on the midterms? Do you feel like your opinions are so critically important, that the fate of the party in November is less important than you being able to say exactly what you think at any given time?

This bullshit has been going on for 3 fucking years now. During the primaries it was ok, that’s the time when we’re supposed to have these conversations. But it never stopped there. We had it all through the general, with people attacking Bernie supporters at the time we needed their votes the most, and we’ve had it ever since. Every fucking day another attack thread, with 100+ replies as the same people indulge in the same boring repetitions of how terrible they think Bernie is.

It’s time to grow the fuck up. If you want to tell everyone your deep insightful thoughts about Sanders, do it the day he announces he’s running again. You won’t have long to wait, the candidates will probably announce in the first half of next year, and then you can throw all the shade you want at him. But until then, we have a fucking election to win.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #173)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:59 AM

187. Woah...




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Response to Kentonio (Reply #173)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:54 PM

191. Um, the thread is about 2020. Did you miss that somehow?

I will do GOTV 2018 for the Democratic candidates in my state as I always do.

I will do enthusiastic GOTV for the Democratic nominee in 2020, no matter whether my primary choice wins or not, as I always do.

You can make up as much bullshit about me as you like. You can smear me as anti-Democratic. None of the things you are saying about me are true.

There are legit questions about Sander’s voting record, lack of financial transparency, and lack of concrete proposals. Those questions are going to be asked by the press and other candidates.

He will be vetted thoroughly this time whether you like it or not.

The sooner you grow up and face that fact, the better you’ll be able to support Bernie by responding with substance rather than baseless smears of those who have legitimate issues.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #191)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:06 PM

192. There was a new poster in one of these threads the other day

The thread was full of the normal anti-Bernie attacks, and he/she said just quietly said that they were a Democrat but that they didn’t think this was a place they could fit in because they liked the Senator.

Now think about that for a moment. A Democrat comes to the largest Democratic forum on the web and doesn’t feel like they belong here. A place where political activists are posting vital information about their local programs, and movements and GOTV efforts, and where we’re supposed to all be committed to fighting for the party.

I’m not attacking you now, I’m just asking you to think about that for a moment, and seriously question whether all this in-fighting is honestly helping the cause that you believe in.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #192)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:19 PM

193. I like Bernie. I supported him for president in 2016, and he has many great qualities

I also believe most people here do like Bernie.

I just no longer believe he has the temperament or judgement to be President.

He is an excellent Senator for Vermont.

I really don’t know what to say about the person who felt like they didn’t belong here. I’ll note Bernie is not the only Democratic/Democratic-leaning politician who is criticized here. Everyone seems to get their time in the barrel.

Take Pelosi for example - does a hell of a job holding the Democratic caucus together, advocates for liberal/progressive ideas, speaks out strongly against Trump. She’s criticized a lot on DU.

The cause I believe in right now is electing effective leaders with proven track records who can fix this mess and advance the progressive values we all share.


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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #193)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:49 PM

194. And I'll stand right beside you in condemning any attacks on any other of our leaders

All I ask is that we leave the nominee stuff until after the midterms. We have too much to lose in the run up to November.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:14 AM

36. Harris

...but we got serious work to do in 2018 first.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:16 AM

37. Biden

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #37)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:23 AM

40. It really HAS to be Biden/Harris 2020 because Joe needs to put humpty back together

again and he'll know how to do it quickly. He'll repair our relationships immediately...they all know him.

No Bullshit Biden for the win.

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Response to Trek4Truth (Reply #40)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:30 AM

46. my exact pick!

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Response to Trek4Truth (Reply #40)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:38 AM

53. THIS!

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #37)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:47 PM

118. Biden has the best chance of winning.

We know that the electorate won't accept a woman (even though Hillary won the popular vote) -- especially a strong woman -- so that leaves Warren out.

We know that the electorate feels they have filled their "person of color" quota with Obama, so that leaves Kamala Harris out on two counts.

After Trump, I think the voters have soured on the "crazy haired man waving his arms in the air and shouting extreme points of view," which eliminates Sanders.

As much as I admire Schiff, I don't think he has sufficient name recognition to win. Maybe he'd make a good vice president nominee.

Avenatti is a one trick pony, and as much as I admire his legal talents, I don't think having a porn star's lawyer at the top of the ticket is the road to the White House. I'd love to see him as Secretary of State, however. I think he'd be a strong advocate for U.S. interests overseas, and would stand up to Putin, and relish the chance to do so.

Remember, voters don't like people they see as "elitists," which they define as people they perceive as smarter than they are. That's why Dubya succeeded -- despite growing up in a wealthy family and going to Ivy League schools, he was the guy you could see yourself having a beer with. It didn't help that Al Gore was tainted by the Clinton scandal, and actually won the popular vote. (What is it about Dems winning the popular vote and losing the election?)

IMHO, Biden has the best chance of winning the general election, and in the end that's what it's about. It doesn't matter if you are ideologically pure if you can't get elected.

Biden is white, male, perceived as middle class (he rides the train to work), liberal but not extremely so, experienced in both the Senate and as an active vice president. Biden can use the language of the people ("This is a big fucking deal," he told Obama when the ACA passed), people are sympathetic to a man who has lost his young son (I know, that shouldn't be a factor, but voters make decisions based on all sorts of unexplainable factors, such as Beau Biden's military service), he has a good sense of humor and doesn't take himself too seriously, and most important, he's familiar--people already know his name, his face, his voice (which is pleasant to listen to) and his generally "good guy" persona.

While my personal favorite is Elizabeth Warren, in the end it's about winning. And despite every dirty trick the GOP and Trump will throw at him, I think Biden is strong enough to win the presidency, and begin undoing all the damage that Trump will have done to the country and world by the time he leaves office.

That is, providing Obama and Holder have success undoing GOP (and Dem) gerrymandering before 2020.




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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #118)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:18 AM

148. I Agree Completely

with everything you mentioned except arriving at Biden as the candidate. I worry about his age and how it will affect electability. I can't believe Biden is the only white male Democrat out there who is plausibly middle-class. I'm not too worried about name recognition right now, nobody except politics geeks had heard of Clinton, Bill at this point before he got elected. The way the media works these days, two weeks after someone bursts on the scene most people can't remember a time when they didn't know that person.

I don't have a suggestion for candidate, but there's got to be more than a few out there. Of course, we may be reaching the point when, truly, no sane person would want it. For starters and just at a glance, what happened to that guy who ran against Hilary in the early primary - Martin O'Malley? He struck me as extremely viable if he could become a household name.

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Response to RobinA (Reply #148)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 06:21 PM

149. Trump is going to suck all the air out of the room, no matter who the Dems nominate.

Look at the 24/7 coverage he got during the first campaign. This past year he has dominated every single news cycle with his outrageous antics. All it takes is an incoherent tweet and the pundits spend the whole day analyzing it.

While I agree Biden's age is a huge factor, the only Democrat I think has the name recognition to break through the Trump noise is Senator Warren. Maybe because she doesn't carry Hillary's extraordinary baggage -- the Repugs attacked her even before Bill became president -- she can overcome the unwarranted resistance the populace has toward having a woman president in the U.S. It doesn't seem to be a problem in nearly every other country in the developed world.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #118)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:12 AM

186. good arguments

EW would come in for the schoolmarm thing, though that is not really bad qualification for POTUS (running a classroom might be akin to running the executive branch) the media will beat it to death and Dotard already won over an older white woman.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:10 AM

184. Agree. Old but the only one who can

bully the Orange Idiot - his equal in white, male oldness and the personality and humor - I think he is the one who can go toe to toe with the Orange One and can fix the foreign relations disasters - experience on that can sell it.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:21 AM

38. Whoever can win the general. Romney said what he said for a reason....and ya know what

he is right on this one.

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Response to Trek4Truth (Reply #38)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:30 AM

45. exactly!! i think that was a dog whistle for dems...

...he doesn't want trump to win again any more than we do.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:23 AM

41. Kamala Harris or

Adam Schiff or Eric Swallwell

But frankly, I'm just worried about reaching tomorrow with this nutcase.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:24 AM

42. Kennedy

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:25 AM

43. Ask me after the midterms.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:29 AM

44. biden.. we need an experienced warrior in these times

...not starry eyes and lofty promises. He can pick one of those for veep...

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:32 AM

47. Kamala and Schiff. Or my state's Chris Murphy and Kamala.

It's downright embarrassing that we have never had a woman president...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #47)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:43 AM

58. Can't unless one changes state

and that is not going to happen. Unlike Republicans we actually take rules seriously and we have shame if they are violated.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #58)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 10:30 PM

163. There is no legal requirement that the presidental and vice presidential nominees be from different

It is, however, "geographically undesirable" to have such a scenario, and historically has not happened. There are Electoral College voting requirements that also hamper the likelihood of same state nominees.

[link:https://www.history.com/news/can-the-president-and-vice-president-be-from-the-same-state|

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #163)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 10:51 PM

165. You would have to give up the VP votes in California

That is why the Texan Cheney said he was from Wyoming.

12th Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves

So if you can win without California, then go for it. I don't see any scenario where that would happen.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #165)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:22 AM

168. I agree...not likely to happen

and I wouldn't advocate it. There is sound reason for candidates to be from differing sectors of the country as it appeases more of those who want their region represented.

At present, tho, California has several strong potential candidates. Of those, I like Schiff for the top spot; or, if someone else takes that nom, Schiff or Kamala Harris would do well in the VP slot. I like Swalwell for the future, maybe 2028 for him.

Elizabeth Warren would be low on my list; however, if she were to be the nominee, I would support her.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:36 AM

51. Cory Booker.

Young, energetic, experienced, charismatic, and would get the Obama coalition out.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cory-booker-real-090003827.html

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:26 AM

178. Agreed. Can't believe it took 51 responses for his name to come up.

When he got done speaking at the convention I said to my wife "I'm going to vote for this guy for President some day."

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:42 AM

56. Who would help to secure Florida?

It is either that or rebuild the firewall of WI, MI, and PA; and it is obvious those states are not going to be fairly counted.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:44 AM

59. Joe Biden

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:45 AM

60. We don't even know who is running at this point.

I wait until we have a slate of primary candidates before I answer that question. Until then, I will do as I do with every other thread like this, and send it to the trash.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #60)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:47 AM

62. Good idea! eom

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:45 AM

61. NO!

FOCUS ON 2018!!!!

PLEASE!!!

If we don't, we may not even exist by 2020!

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #61)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:47 AM

63. THIS!!!!

But... Tammy Duckworth.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #63)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:48 AM

64. Hiya, Squinch!

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #64)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:50 AM

65. Hey, Blue!

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:52 AM

67. Adam Schiff.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:00 AM

68. Adam Schiff

He'd make a great President.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #68)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 01:04 PM

90. Schiff would be a rock solid Attorney General for sure. nt

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:01 AM

70. Martin O'Malley

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #70)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 01:17 PM

91. Still my choice

Here is his bio:

https://martinomalley.com/bio/


Glib talking show boats don't do much to move the ball. Martin has a proven record of moving the ball.

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Response to newblewtoo (Reply #91)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 02:08 PM

93. Yes, and he's working tirelessly behind the scenes for local Democrats this cycle

Accumulating victories, contacts, and name recognition. Without showboating.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #70)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:37 AM

145. +1 n/t

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:12 AM

71. Adam Schiff.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:15 AM

72. Anyone who can win

Seriously. Anyone that is remotely resembling a Democrat.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:17 AM

73. Kamala Harris

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:40 AM

74. Joe Biden has the grit to knock Trump out.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:15 PM

76. No...

I'm not thinking for a minute about the 2020 Election until the 2018 Election is over. I recommend you do the same.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:19 PM

77. Biden, Harris, Sherrod Brown. But it is early yet. As poster above said, we don't know who's

running yet.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:21 PM

78. Winning House and closing gap in Senate in 5 months, might change the calculation. n/t

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #78)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:51 PM

86. the Senate can't have any less of a gap than it does now nt

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:26 PM

79. Kennedy

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:31 PM

80. Bernie.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:31 PM

81. I would like to see a diverse group of candidates and decide after lengthy consideration.

Preferably they will be youngish.

People who have already decided on a single candidate need to take a step back and give others a chance to step forward. We've already seen what happens when one candidate is deemed inevitable. The entire process is hurt by that.

We've also seen how destructive it is to raise a candidate to cult leader status.

All that may happen during the election season, but we should at least start with a level playing field.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:33 PM

83. Someone who can win.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #83)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:42 PM

84. We have a winner,

Best answer yet.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 01:02 PM

89. Kennedy & Schiff come to mind.

I like both of them a lot. I really love Joe and would be happy to vote for him, but would prefer someone younger. If Joe catches on, though, I think he's the best man for the job.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 01:51 PM

92. Kamala Harris is our strongest candidate.

I still really like Martin O'Malley as well, but most Dem voters seem to have a hard time warming up to him. (He'd still make a great V.P. or A.G. though.)

Eric Holder has great potential.

And I think Tim Kaine is vastly underrated. (He could probably never win the nomination, but I think he would be a great President.)

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 02:14 PM

94. Umm, not right now, thanks

We have a deep bench, and none of those three names are on it.

But now is not the time to back one above all others. The primary battle will be vicious enough on here. There will be trolls galore, and the mods will not spot all of them. Some are already here, just waiting--unless some moderator has nothing else to do but kick out all the one-trick-pony posters who only post about one person, and never post about anything else. Some of them are so obvious, you can't tell me the moderators don't already know who they are. If 90% of the rest of DU does, so do the mods.

We have NO knight in shining armor waiting that I know of. All conceivable candidates I can conceive of as running have at least ONE negative I can think of, some more than that. Some of the more popular names being bandied about on here have almost zero chance to be the nominee, and most of us know it. But SOMEone will emerge as the person worthy of being our standard bearer. As long as interfering trolls (and I mean on a national level) get identified and put out of action early, we should be relatively OK. ALL of our major contenders should, at this point, be a work in progress. Listening, learning, making the connections for both financing and political support, consulting with both webmasters and legal experts to make sure they never can be (legitimately) accused of any wrongdoing. Have people watching what both obvious bad apples (e.g. Jerome Corsi) and serious adversaries (Frank Luntz, e.g.) are up to, and with whom. Think fast, and think ahead--like a president should. That is--or should be--how you get to be one.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 03:47 PM

96. Martin O'Malley!!!!!!!

We should have had him in there last time... And for the love of GOD... we can all speak and understand in paragraphs not 2 word sentences.. see what that got us..

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 04:21 PM

97. Sherrod Brown n/t

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 04:24 PM

98. Sanders for now

He has a very strong economic message and is the anti-Trump IMO. His only negatives IMO are age and debate performance. But he should be better at debates next time. And he is quite healthy.

However, I am very open to another progressive if one emerges.

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Response to mvd (Reply #98)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:13 PM

111. He has plenty more negatives.

To anyone who isn't fawning over the guy.

Like refusing to show his taxes. His votes on Russian sanctions after having Tad Devine run his campaign certainly raises some eyebrows. His voting record on gun control is a big negative to most people outside of Vermont.

And the GOP didn't even bother to dig into their oppo-research. He won't be afforded that luxury again.

The vetting will be televised.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #111)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:43 PM

116. Everyone has some negatives

IMO his are lower than most. He has released some tax returns. He was for the assault weapons ban when running for Congress in the late 80s/early 90s. He's been loyal and Weaver/Devine helped his campaign IMO. His gun record is not perfect, but I can't be THAT purist. He is my choice, as said.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 04:26 PM

99. Preferably not someone pushing 80. n/t

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 04:27 PM

100. I'll worry about it in 2019 if we still have a democracy.

In the meantime, we all need to be pulling in the same direction for the midterms.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 04:29 PM

101. Swalwell.

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Response to notdarkyet (Reply #101)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:22 PM

114. I want him on the ticket very soon, maybe as soon as 2020. nt

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 04:37 PM

102. Biden

I want to see our Pit Bull rip the queen a new asshole

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 04:39 PM

103. I like Adam Schiff and Richard Blumenthal.

However, Blumenthal is 72 so that concerns me a bit. By the time the election comes around, he would be 74.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 04:46 PM

104. Amy Klobuchar or (Joaquin or Julian Castro) for VP, and Jerry Brown for POTUS.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 04:46 PM

105. BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN

Uncle Joe.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 04:48 PM

106. Mark Cuban

Drumpf is scared of Cuban ! Romney predicts Drumpf will win in 2020. We can't have that. I pray Cuban runs, since we can't have Oprah.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:05 PM

109. Harris/Kennedy

Both are young and upcoming. Why not?

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:08 PM

110. Joe Biden.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:14 PM

112. Al Franken.

Yes, Al Franken.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:17 PM

113. Please tell me who you are working to elect THIS year?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #113)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:41 AM

134. In Northern VA

In my precinct, there is only one contested Democratic primary race (for county board), pitting someone who has worked on county commissions/advisory board/etc. against a new arrival whose main selling point is "I'm a fresh face". The repugs in my precinct get to choose who will go up against Kaine for Senate in the general election.

I work for the county at the polls, so I really feel it's inappropriate for me to do things beyond contributing money. My neighbor has a big sign out supporting "the experienced guy" in the board race, and no doubt will be sprouting Kaine signs come September. I'm sure that on our local "McMansion row", someone will put out an anti-Kaine sign, but there will be many more Kaine signs in the neighborhood.

Virginia's state primary is on June 12th. Please show up (if you haven't voted already) and VOTE!

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Response to nitpicker (Reply #134)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:49 AM

135. It would be very nice to see Comstock sent packing

She is an insult to Virginians (my brother still lives there).

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:27 PM

115. 'IT'. a GOOD campaigner. can speak to stupids good(on purpose).

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 05:43 PM

117. First Things First

 

Contributors who said we need to focus on 2018 are spot-on. I, for one, am heartily sick of 18 month-long beauty contests where endless combinations of candidates are bandied about 24/7. We have a grave threat that needs to be removed first. Mitt Romney actually had the nerve to say Trump would win re-election in 2020, probably because he sees a weak Democratic field. Well, screw him. The integrity of the voting process has yet to be addressed. Once Russian hackers and GOP vote suppression is stopped, then we can proceed.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:02 PM

119. Jeff Merekley, Oregon

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:36 PM

122. Adam Schiff or Howard Schultz

Schiff is brilliant and a demonstrated fighter. Schultz is a self-made (unlike Trump) billionaire. I would need to see more of him in action after his Starbuck's retirement.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:52 PM

123. Too early to say

But definitely NOT Oprah.

Wolf

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:38 PM

128. Harris, Schiff, Booker, Kennedy ...any combo of Candidate/VP. Dynamic and fresh.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #128)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:57 AM

136. I like your picks. Mine would be the same, but I think

Kennedy would have to be in there somewhere. We need someone charismatic on the ticket.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #136)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:13 PM

141. Yes, he would bring the weight of history.... harking back to better days.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:41 PM

129. You are right it is a thin bench, everyone is over 70. Nobody really stands out

to me either.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:44 PM

130. its early, but I'm pretty sure Booker, Harris, and Gillibrand have been mentioned and are all


considering runs, and their activities seem to suggest that to be the case.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:18 PM

155. Governor Jay Inslee of WA state is my favorite

Check out his record. I think he's an exemplary progressive.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:32 PM

157. Probably someone that has not been mentioned. Oh, and Sanders can't get the older Dem vote.

Most of us older Dems, will only vote for a lifelong Dem.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:40 PM

158. Joaqun Castro!

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #158)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 09:31 PM

160. YES!

I agree!

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 10:00 PM

162. Adam Schiff please.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 10:34 PM

164. I think it is too early for us to have any idea

of who will actually be running or who will gain some momentum.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 10:58 PM

166. At this point, I don't care or have an opinion


The old guard doesn’t excite me.

The new guard doesn’t excite me.

The good news is that after the 2018 elections I expect folks to bring their A game.

Of course I’ll vote for any D in the GE. I don’t gave to love a candidate to vote in the GE

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:30 AM

169. Who I would like vs reality?

I would like Michelle Obama, Oprah, Cory Booker, Bill DeBlasio.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:55 AM

174. Bernie Sanders 100%

For the haters:

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:19 AM

176. 2018!!!

Without the House the whole thing will be a smoking ruin by 2020 anyway. Even with it ...

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:24 AM

177. Biden/Harris

Or Biden/Castro

Biden and a young woman or Hispanic
Good ticket

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:26 AM

179. Given that he is still in the same excellent health as now, Joe Biden, no question.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:00 AM

181. I'm more concerned about the mid terms

2 years from now may be too late.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:07 AM

182. Biden, one term

Can offset Dotard in terms of age and personality. Others will seem bullied by Dotard.

then move on to one of the others.

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Response to treestar (Reply #182)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:10 PM

190. I like that idea..

for a variety of candidates..

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:10 AM

185. I'm see a few Putin bots

and fully expect our top three picks to be sliced and diced and pitted against each other as time goes on, so I prefer to wait to disclose my preferences.

Paranoid? Maybe a little, bit I’m also learning to live in the real world and to be a bit less trusting on social media sites... even DU.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:08 PM

188. I am just hoping for serious policy debates.

single payer/ Med 4 all
campaign finance reform/ citizens united repeal
income / wealth inequality
criminal justice reform/ decriminalize marijuana

.. among a litany of other very important & serious issues.. leave "personality" politics for the uninformed

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:09 PM

189. I'm still looking at Buttigieg and Castro.

Buttigieg’s been upping the presence of his 2020 PAC for a while now and Castro has said he's very interested in running. They both have appeal to me for various reasons but they're not the only ones I'm watching.

Time will tell, and in the end for me it depends on who tosses their hats formally into the ring.

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