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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
90. I didn't "fall in love" with anybody.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:31 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:17 AM - Edit history (1)

I just deeply respect someone who calls for what most of us in this party, this country and this world want. There's nothing inappropriate in that.

And Obama(who I supported twice)wasn't the candidate of the rich, but under the influence of Rahm, he pretty much always deferred to them. That's the only reason we still have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's the only reason he demobilized the Obama movement by reducing its function to electioneering and nothing else, that's the only reason he's fighting harder for corporate-drafted trade deals than heever did for healthcare and card-check.

Obama made things better, and he's a historic figure just for getting elected, but he squandered the chance to permanently realign American politics and move us towards a negotiation-based relationship with the rest of the world rather than our arrogant, imperial-minded approach to global life.

As to Bernie, he hasn't spurned our party as much as he came to the conclusion that you couldn't be a true progressive and have a long-term future in it. Look at how many toxic compromises Hubert Humphrey was forced to accept over the years, look how disgracefully Eugene McCarthy and his supporters were treated in Chocago, look at how McGovern was lead-piped by the party regulars just for winning the nomination fair and square, look how Jesse was shat upon in '84 and '88, look at how totally disregarded Paul Wellstone was in the Nineties by our party's leaders. Bernie made the choices he made to keep his soul and to do something that mattered-and none of his choices ever actually harmed our party. Why hate a guy who's only crime is committing truth?

If he'd made the choices your candidate made...the decision, over and over, that electoral politics was the only thing that matters,that "just winning the election" was worth giving up half or more of what you believe in, that activists and the powerless deserve no respect while corporations and bankers should get constant deference , nothing Bernie could have done after making those choices could ever have meant anything. He'd have reduced himself to hanging out in Davos with Bono.

If you don't want people like Bernie to keep their distance from this party, why don't you actually try working to make this party a place they can wholeheartedly trust? A place where ordinary people, activists, and the dispossessed are given at least as much of a hearing as CEO's with big checkbooks?

Has he promised to campaign for other Democrats ? hack89 Aug 2015 #1
he has a strong history of doing that. I'm sure he'll. continue cali Aug 2015 #12
Can you provide some examples please? Nt hack89 Aug 2015 #24
oops, replied to my own post. see post 37 cali Aug 2015 #40
sure, in Vermont he's campaigned for Dean, Shumlin, Mayor Weinberger cali Aug 2015 #37
He's been doing that for decades. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #72
On a national scale? hack89 Aug 2015 #79
On a national scale. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #80
Obama was the candidate of the rich? ok. hack89 Aug 2015 #89
I didn't "fall in love" with anybody. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #90
Bernie was too good and moral to be a Democrat? hack89 Aug 2015 #94
I'm a Dem. It's just that I see my party as it is. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #95
So Bernie was too good to be a Dem hack89 Aug 2015 #96
It's not about Bernie being "too good" or about personal ambition. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #98
White knights belong in fairy tales hack89 Aug 2015 #99
I'm one of those loyal Democrats. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #100
You sure have more patience than I would. pangaia Aug 2015 #102
You and I will be voting for the same person in the general election hack89 Aug 2015 #103
Integrity? Fawke Em Aug 2015 #113
If you stopped paying attention to the RW noise machine hack89 Aug 2015 #114
I never listen to the RWNM. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #115
He can't ibegurpard Aug 2015 #2
Thank you - I had no idea. Here in New York we have closed hedgehog Aug 2015 #10
it won't be a problem for you to vote for him in the primary ibegurpard Aug 2015 #13
Did anyone tell Patrick Leahy, or ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #36
You don't REGISTER TO VOTE BY PARTY, is that unclear? Fearless Aug 2015 #50
Q: "Is the sun shining?" ... A: "It's Tuesday" ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #51
lol.. so if Bernie adds his email address to the DNC mailing list, that sufficient enough for you to yodermon Aug 2015 #67
It's not "me" that sets the membership criteria ... It is up to the DNC ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #68
apparently so. ibegurpard Aug 2015 #57
I suspect you should get to know your Governor better ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #69
Nonsense.... Adrahil Aug 2015 #97
He did the moment he declared he was running for president on the Democratic ticket. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #101
I would rather he openly and loudly embrace the Democratic party. Adrahil Aug 2015 #107
But you welcome with open arms DINO's? Fearless Aug 2015 #105
I reject that kinda bullshit rhetoric. Adrahil Aug 2015 #108
Because she is economically neoconservative? Fearless Aug 2015 #112
Actually I think the important question is daybranch Aug 2015 #3
THIS. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #15
Bernie has never had a kind word to say about Democrats. leftofcool Aug 2015 #21
straight up bullshit frylock Aug 2015 #32
I question your motives Trajan Aug 2015 #38
bullshit. happy to prove you are making that up cali Aug 2015 #52
That doesn't prove what you're claiming it proves. MADem Aug 2015 #59
you are ignoring the other piece of the post cali Aug 2015 #60
Someone who makes statements after quitting their job is not proof of anything, no matter where MADem Aug 2015 #66
NEVER is an absolute. Are you sure that's the word you want to use? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #53
thank you. this isn't a sports franchise. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #33
K & R! Brilliant! PatrickforO Aug 2015 #91
He'd have to move to another state. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #4
National registration? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #5
Never heard of it. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #8
I'm not sure how much clearer this can be made for you ibegurpard Aug 2015 #11
no such thing cali Aug 2015 #14
make shit up? Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #34
Why would there be such a thing as "national registration" when there are no national elections? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #55
Thanks, I didn't know that. I was wondering how people could vote hedgehog Aug 2015 #7
There are different requirements for getting on the Presidential ballot and KMOD Aug 2015 #25
There are convoluted rules in the south, too Aerows Aug 2015 #43
Through the years he hasn't said kind words about the dem party. FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #6
but he has helped dems get elected and donated to dems cali Aug 2015 #17
I don't always have kind words for the Democratic Party, either, these days. djean111 Aug 2015 #18
You aren't running to be POTUS. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #29
No, Bernie is, and the DNC has accepted him. djean111 Aug 2015 #31
I know this is not going to be well met; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #41
I don't know why you would think it wouldn't sit well with people here. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #58
Yeah? ... okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #62
Good lord. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #63
Yeah. Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #64
In politics endorsements have no tangible value. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #104
Of course they don't ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #106
I was speaking of people voters personally know, RichVRichV Aug 2015 #109
I'm not seeing many endorsements coming. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #110
Not sure you are seeing my meaning. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #116
Oh. Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #117
First time I heard of Bernie was in 88, when he endorsed Jesse Jackson for President Autumn Aug 2015 #44
He's a better Democrat than most Democrats. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #9
Asking the important questions, I see. AppalachianLeftist Aug 2015 #16
I go back to the old, old days when it was a hassle to get anyone but the party favorite hedgehog Aug 2015 #19
If you are asking me to see five lights Aerows Aug 2015 #49
You are right, it is not important because Bernie will never join the Democratic Party leftofcool Aug 2015 #22
A Democrat In Policy Only. AppalachianLeftist Aug 2015 #26
^ this Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #35
I love that. A Democrat In Policy Only Autumn Aug 2015 #46
Let's discuss emails tgat we're never lost or leaked. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #28
I wasn't aware Bernie's independent status was a violation of State Dept. policy, AppalachianLeftist Aug 2015 #39
You should call the FBI and tell them they're barking up the wrong tree. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #56
"Democrats welcome Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders " RobertEarl Aug 2015 #20
I thought I'd probably missed it! hedgehog Aug 2015 #23
Now that you know the truth ... Trajan Aug 2015 #45
No he hasn't AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #27
Check out the Home page of the Democratic National Committee RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #30
The party needs to join Sanders, it is a damn shame we have so few of his caliber. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #42
Not meant as flame bait. SamKnause Aug 2015 #47
Who Cares ??? WillyT Aug 2015 #48
TOPS Ron Green Aug 2015 #54
He's endorsed every nominee since at least 1992 jfern Aug 2015 #61
How is Vermont not having partisan voter registration responsive to the question of ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #65
How much difference does it make? jfern Aug 2015 #71
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #75
Now what did you just say? navarth Aug 2015 #76
Vermont doesn't have partisan voter registration jfern Aug 2015 #78
How did Leahy get the D behind his name then? leftofcool Aug 2015 #81
He won a Democratic primary for Senate jfern Aug 2015 #83
The power of labels. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #85
Kentucky probably will do so. leftofcool Aug 2015 #82
flame bait. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #70
Red Alert! Defcon Bad! postatomic Aug 2015 #74
It takes time postatomic Aug 2015 #73
You don't register for a party in Vermont. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #77
Charlie Crist Perry Smith Aug 2015 #84
Could be that Sanders has always said horrible things about the Democratic Party? leftofcool Aug 2015 #86
Well from my POV the Democratic Party has done some horrible things that they deservedly needed Perry Smith Aug 2015 #87
Party/label takes precedence over issues/values Garrett78 Aug 2015 #88
Who gives a fuck... and WHY? If he by some strange twist of fate does win, he'll govern EXACTLY cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #92
people took the hook olddots Aug 2015 #93
Give it a rest, already! Post #20 by RobertEarl answers my question in hedgehog Aug 2015 #111
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