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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:44 AM Dec 2012

Republicans Are Blowing Up Negotiations Because Boehner Is Weak & Republicans Are Crazy [View all]

...amd folks are coming out of the wood work saying that President Obama caved?

The revenue numbers on the table are about what everyone thought would be in the range of a deal. The taxes to spending cuts are about 1 to 1, which many folks who consider "balanced."

Yet, despite the fact that it cuts spending and make serious in-roads on cutting the defict, Boehner is grand standing and trying to pass a bill that Democrats have uniformly rejected out of hand?

Why? Because Boehner learned Tuesday night that he does not have the votes for any deal that Democrats could concievably accept. Thus, the whole purpose of Plan B is for Republicans to pass the most reasonable sounding bill that they can stomach, which they know Democrats will not accept, so that they can try to get the corporate media to support them in blaming Democrats.

My question is why do so many liberals fall for it? If President Obama did not make any movement at all on spending, the public would blame him and Democrats for not being serious about addressing the deficit, which would strengthen the hand of Republicans when it came to the debt limit crisis that they will cook up in a month or so.

Seriously, the same folks who point to the 2011 debt limit talks forget that Boehner and Republicans walked away from a possible deal that would even make Boehner's Plan B look great. Now, President Obama's rumored proposal is still far better than anything that was put on the table in 2011.

My read is that President Obama does seriously want to address the deficit and he is willing to compromise to get to deal. Yet, the truth that we repeatedly ignore is that Republicans are way to extreme to make any plausible deal. I personally think that President Obama knows that Boehner can't close a deal now. Boehner knows it too. Boehner went through a month of negotiations that he knew he did not have the authority to close a deal on. Now, with President Obama making some concessions, Boehner is trying to find a graceful way to blow up any deal.

Republicans do not want a deal! While on the liberal side, you have some folks who happily say lets go over the cliff, on the Republican side, these folks are in the majority because they really do not care about creating another recession of risking a credit default.

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I believe this whole "negotiating" thing is nothing but elaborate Kabuki theatrics Texin Dec 2012 #1
Just Pointing Out That Boehner's Plan B Fail Proves My Point TomCADem Dec 2012 #42
Obama put SS on the chopping block. He showed his intentions. He can't unshow them. forestpath Dec 2012 #2
Look, given what Republicans have become, rusty fender Dec 2012 #6
Food stamps?!? Oh, that makes it all better. Like hell chained CPI is the "best deal we can get." forestpath Dec 2012 #8
I've switched to your side on the chained CPI rusty fender Dec 2012 #40
Partially agree democrattotheend Dec 2012 #13
You mean like has been suggested by President Obama; ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #29
Exactly democrattotheend Dec 2012 #36
Well, ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #38
Obama hates us. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #12
Don't tell me what to do. forestpath Dec 2012 #17
Welcome to the internet. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #22
Welcome to my ignore list, bully. forestpath Dec 2012 #23
This canard is getting old. cliffordu Dec 2012 #25
Is this going to blow up the stock market? flamingdem Dec 2012 #3
Probably. They're all under the impression that everything would go according to plan. reformist2 Dec 2012 #20
This is all just an elaborate stall, we are going over the cliff. bemildred Dec 2012 #4
I have a feeling no deal will ever be made. Jennicut Dec 2012 #7
I don't think the Republicans can get their shit together well enough to agree to anything. bemildred Dec 2012 #9
I believe that Cantor and his Teabagger freaks have but Boehner in a bind. No matter where he goes, Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #5
You think so? savalez Dec 2012 #11
Actually it would be worse. Cantor directs the Teabagger Brigade. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #18
Yep. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #31
It won't matter who the GOP speaker is. They do not want to work with the President. Period. AlinPA Dec 2012 #44
Not denying that. Just suggesting that Cantor is more dangerous and despicable. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #45
He certainly is despicable. AlinPA Dec 2012 #46
The republican being complete jackasses Cosmocat Dec 2012 #10
You don't think he predicted them blowing this up? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #14
That isn't who he is Cosmocat Dec 2012 #19
Since forever. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #32
POTUS is smarter than lot of us musiclawyer Dec 2012 #15
Going over the cliff won't protect SS democrattotheend Dec 2012 #24
Welcome to my ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #33
Thanks. You seem pretty reasonable democrattotheend Dec 2012 #35
Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #37
The point that's being obscured: The federal budget deficit is TOO SMALL. Jim Lane Dec 2012 #16
It takes guts to say that - and you're probably right. reformist2 Dec 2012 #21
Doesn't that largely depend on HOW the deficit is reduced? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #34
Yes, that's certainly a factor. Jim Lane Dec 2012 #39
Yup...Boehner is taking that ride BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #26
Boehner's Plan B is a joke. Balanced?? Tax rate increases on over $ 1 million while also Filibuster Harry Dec 2012 #27
This is Plan B-oner, the rodeo clown.. Tweet from Nancy.. Cha Dec 2012 #30
While I agree with you in general, wryter2000 Dec 2012 #28
Best. Title. Ever. kalli007 Dec 2012 #41
I agree that republicans do not want any deal with the President. Boehner is just playing the AlinPA Dec 2012 #43
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