Gun Control & RKBA

mvccd1000

(1,534 posts)

237. Well...

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 09:38 AM

Oct 2012

... I don't see where you leave people much of a choice with positions like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=52688

The only solution and the one which will be implemented eventually.
A total ban on certain types of weapons and equipment in public places. Not control, BAN! Break it and the consequences will break you.

Sounds like you're making the choice for the rest of us.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

242 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Guns in bars, what could go wrong? (apparently very little) [View all] Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 OP

Well, the antis have a rather poor prediction record... Clames Sep 2012 #1

If you flip their predictions around they are accurate 99.999% of the time 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #4

truth is that we will never know how many guns are in bars because Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #2

I was a little concerned about that law until 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #3

Funny thing, the only people I ever see mention "Blood in the streets" are gun carriers. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #5

Give it a rest. Clames Sep 2012 #7

100,000 sounds about right Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #110

It's the low-end estimate. Clames Oct 2012 #134

If I were as unpleasantly patronizing and condescending as you, I'd wear a gun too. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #152

You only wish you could be as civil as me. Clames Oct 2012 #162

It's been running in my neighborhood. We asked for additional police presence. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #76

Hhhh...heh-heh-heh...Hhhh..heh-heh. You said the "P" word.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #90

I know a TON of people that think it's illegal in CO. Ashgrey77 Sep 2012 #6

It's never been about bars, but eating in peace with our families ileus Sep 2012 #8

RIGHT fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #9

That's why it's already illegal to consume and carry. ileus Sep 2012 #10

False equivalency Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #11

Right fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #14

Then provide the proof that it's a big problem. glacierbay Sep 2012 #19

I go to bars on a regular basis Oneka Sep 2012 #35

There are sober 'law abiding' people..... fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #42

Do we really need to change the goalposts? Oneka Oct 2012 #79

If you are discussing the recent post here: PavePusher Oct 2012 #140

I have dinner at resturants that have bars all the time and never drink alcohol hack89 Sep 2012 #43

And I should have to worry about who drinks and carries? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #46

Your worrying about it is your problem glacierbay Sep 2012 #51

Do you worry about all those cars in the bar parking lot? hack89 Sep 2012 #52

You Need a Permit to Drive a Car fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #56

What 12 states are you talking about? glacierbay Sep 2012 #57

True fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #60

Ok I got it glacierbay Sep 2012 #62

There is a reason why they are considering doing away with concealed weapons permits. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #119

So it is not the actual danger to society that bothers you hack89 Sep 2012 #59

I'm sure that's what you.... fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #61

You are so hot and bothered about guns in bars hack89 Sep 2012 #63

Incorrect fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #65

When you can document actual harm from these laws let me know hack89 Sep 2012 #69

Have a Drink fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #70

So you must be able to document many instances of this happening. hack89 Sep 2012 #71

Actually my 15 year old daughter is driving HER car right now...She has NO drivers license at all... virginia mountainman Oct 2012 #106

Why are you worried about the legal people with no ill intentions... PavePusher Oct 2012 #141

I don't drink. Sometimes I go to bars. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #130

Why would a gun carrier go to a bar? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #111

A lot of restaurants have bars, glacierbay Oct 2012 #112

I won't lose any sleep about it either Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #114

What's foolish about it glacierbay Oct 2012 #116

Applebee's has a bar - what if I want to have dinner? nt hack89 Oct 2012 #113

Hey, you want to have dinner at Applebee's, be my guest. nt Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #115

Applebee's, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm glacierbay Oct 2012 #118

So that is why I would be carrying a gun in a bar. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #120

To go to RESTAURANTS. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #122

I shall refrain from commenting on your dining choices. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #137

For the same reason this lady wanted to bring one into this restaurant: Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #149

She left it where it belonged. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #150

And as a result, she could not fight back and try to save her parents. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #151

Shit happens. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #153

It must be nice... beevul Oct 2012 #157

You are right. Shit does happen. Now what should people do when it does? Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #161

Show me where I propose taking that "choice" away from you. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #163

Oh good. I'm glad to hear you support the choice of Concealed Carry. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #164

What about the rights of those establishments? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #195

What about the rights of those establishments to bar gay people, or African-Americans? Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #197

Nonsense fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #198

No one has suggested that inanimate objects have rights. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #218

THEN DON'T GO THERE fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #221

Why not? What if I want to go there? Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #229

Then Don't Bring a Gun fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #233

I'd rather they just respect my Constitutional rights. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #234

There You Go Again fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #235

I never said they did. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #236

I agree, the property owner has the right to ban firearm son his/her property Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #201

Agree fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #202

In Colorado Springs? Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #203

Sorry, I do not support that choice at all. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #238

Hmm. I wonder what you meant when you said this: Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #240

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #241

I'm glad you support people having the choice to carry concealed weapons. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #242

Well... mvccd1000 Oct 2012 #237

No, you make your own choices in life Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #239

Ever hear of the Luby's massacre in Killen, TX? GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #168

Yes, and it's Killeen. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #170

join in the fray? gejohnston Oct 2012 #171

I was referring to the legislation, not the incident. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #176

You were referring to the incident. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #185

"Why would anyone want to take a loaded gun into a restaurant?" Jenoch Oct 2012 #174

It's called situational awareness. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #178

What about the people that actually Jenoch Oct 2012 #183

I'll agree the ex-marine was lucky to be armed. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #184

Not strange. Most DGUs are not newsworthy. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #186

You pulled the trigger, yet no shots were fired? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #187

"Pulled a gun" is another way of saying "drew a gun". GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #189

Oops! Misread your post. I must've been trigger happy. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #192

As Glacier pointed out Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #123

I go to bars to drink and play pool and chat with friends Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #154

Guns and alcohol don't mix, glacierbay Oct 2012 #155

I have no evidence and I didn't make any claim that they went to drink. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #156

True glacierbay Oct 2012 #158

Maybe, on the few occasions that I eat in bars/restaurants outside of California. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #179

Or the seductive drunk woman who's hitting on glacierbay Oct 2012 #180

Yep! She falls into the same category. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #182

You do go to bars or restaurants where people carry guns you just don't know it Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #167

I think I am more aware of where I go than you, unless you're stalking me. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #169

Drinking and driving doesn't go together 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #177

Interestingly, most bars I frequent do not have parking lots. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #181

Since you don't have a car that isn't surprising. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #190

I have a Prius. That's a car, though I no longer drive it much. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #191

I sometimes eat in bars. I sometimes designated driver for friends going to bars. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #133

If it's so prevalent glacierbay Sep 2012 #12

You KNOW? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #17

You misunderstand me glacierbay Sep 2012 #20

Like I Said fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #24

Of course it is that's why DRINKING while armed is still illegal in Ohio Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #37

Why Should I Worry About Who Has a Gun and Who Has a Drink in a bar? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #40

Yet you have no problem with people driving to bars? hack89 Sep 2012 #47

You know this because I've said so? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #49

So should people that drive to a bar be allowed to consume alchohol? hack89 Sep 2012 #53

Good question, why should you? I don't, and I suspect most people with petronius Oct 2012 #75

Dodge. Please cite the evidence that supports your concern. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #143

Dodge. Cite the evidence to the problem you claim. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #142

DRINKING and driving ISN'T banned Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #13

So Do Tell fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #15

Like I said glacierbay Sep 2012 #16

Didn't Answer the Question fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #18

But then again you have offered no proof that it has caused a demonstrable problem. oneshooter Sep 2012 #21

Yeah, I did answer the question glacierbay Sep 2012 #22

Dozens fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #25

Yeah? glacierbay Sep 2012 #29

What a LOAD Of BS fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #30

You said dozens glacierbay Sep 2012 #31

You Tell Me fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #32

Just going by your words glacierbay Sep 2012 #33

Seriously fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #34

are you a bartender in a cop bar? gejohnston Sep 2012 #36

Well... fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #41

If you weren't so evasive when questioned we wouldn't have to guess, now would we? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #54

Yawn....so let's recap..... fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #58

What is claimed without evidence can be rejected without evidence. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #67

If You Say So fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #172

So, tell us what you do for a living, or what it is about you that has led you to encounter dozens AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #135

Wish I Could fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #173

What do you do for a living? Marengo Oct 2012 #165

See Thread fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #175

Oh, yes, of course...a secret squirrel of one species or another Marengo Oct 2012 #188

Could Care Less fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #193

I doubt your "life or livlihood" would be "on the line" Marengo Oct 2012 #230

His credibility might. Put him with the "remote sensors" who claim to "know"... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #231

Of Course You Have Your Doubts fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #232

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #66

Was McCall drinking? NT Llewlladdwr Oct 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #87

Not relevant. McCall walked in off the street for the express purpose of shooting Hickok. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #86

I expect that one would have turned out the same no matter where McCall saw Hickock. NT Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #97

Yeah, those Law Abiding LEO's.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #145

Thanks for the Supporting Documentation fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #159

Yeah, I was being a bit snarky there, mea culpa. PavePusher Oct 2012 #166

You could. Clames Sep 2012 #23

Proactive? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #26

So do you actually read what is written? Ever? Clames Sep 2012 #27

What Law You Say I Support 'Fails that Metric'? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #28

Just the usual and predictable Brady Campaign/MAIG/VPC ones. Clames Sep 2012 #45

Right fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #48

Don't need to be specific. Clames Sep 2012 #73

Apparently in the last 136 YEARS it hasn't happened enough to be a problem. NT Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #38

LOL fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #39

It's *not* the people "who FORGOT they were carrying" who present a threat, or hadn't you noticed? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #44

Right.... fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #50

As has been pointed out previously, you are moving the goal posts Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #83

Continued dodging. Please cite evidence indicating an existing problem. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #144

You Did That fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #160

Once again illustrating that for the gunz peeples there is no place Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #55

Is the price of straw going up in your area? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #64

GunZombies: what do we want? gunz! Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #68

Oh I get it ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #78

If insults keep them warm at night, I say "more power to them". friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #80

We have to respect the fact ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #82

"... The impact is difficult to assess ... because law-enforcement and state agencies struggle4progress Sep 2012 #72

hard to track if gejohnston Sep 2012 #74

It's not tracked because it's not a big problem glacierbay Oct 2012 #85

Fights and gunfights occur regularly at bars nationwide struggle4progress Oct 2012 #88

Fist fights, yes, gun fights, no. glacierbay Oct 2012 #89

Police say woman, 2 men wounded in shooting outside west Phoenix bar by 2 men who escaped struggle4progress Oct 2012 #91

Were these legal concealed carriers? ileus Oct 2012 #124

So, one incident over what time frame and geo-spatial area? n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #147

Arrest made in killing outside Chester bar struggle4progress Oct 2012 #92

legal ccer's? ileus Oct 2012 #125

2 wounded in shooting in Arlington bar's parking lot struggle4progress Oct 2012 #93

legal carriers? ileus Oct 2012 #126

Two shot outside South Haven bar struggle4progress Oct 2012 #95

legal carriers? ileus Oct 2012 #127

Charleston bar closes following weekend shooting struggle4progress Oct 2012 #96

were the legal carriers? ileus Oct 2012 #128

Authorities: Flagler Beach woman fires shot when friend won't leave bar struggle4progress Oct 2012 #98

legal carriers can't drink. ileus Oct 2012 #129

Shooting outside South Bend bar leaves 1 dead, 1 injured struggle4progress Oct 2012 #100

Hahaahahahahahaha glacierbay Oct 2012 #103

And I said: "gunfights occur regularly at bars nationwide" -- which is also true struggle4progress Oct 2012 #104

The problem is not people with ccw drinking and carrying glacierbay Oct 2012 #108

were any of these cases legal carriers? ileus Oct 2012 #131

"Let's take our guns with us so we can be safe. Then we can get drunk and get into a fight struggle4progress Oct 2012 #101

one can't drink and legally carry. ileus Oct 2012 #132

AT bars I'll agree with IN bars is pretty rare around here Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #94

Any evidence "gunfights occur regularly at bars" Please use data/stats. Thanx Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #99

Without any difficulty, I located three separate news stories from the last week in September, struggle4progress Oct 2012 #105

Those were not shooting at bars glacierbay Oct 2012 #109

All the stories involve bar patrons squabbling and shooting struggle4progress Oct 2012 #117

That's irrelevant glacierbay Oct 2012 #121

Worth Repeating fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #200

And I will ask you the same question glacierbay Oct 2012 #204

Huh fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #205

That's not what I said or even inferred glacierbay Oct 2012 #206

Vast Majority? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #207

But those shootings weren't done by CC permitted citizens glacierbay Oct 2012 #208

What Jurisdiction Requires Any Government Employee to Carry a Gun in a Bar? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #210

That's easy glacierbay Oct 2012 #212

Your Choice fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #213

It's not a choice on whether or not to carry a gun while on the job. glacierbay Oct 2012 #214

Choice fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #216

But I don't feel there is a sacrifice glacierbay Oct 2012 #217

Guns and Bars fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #211

So far, your objections to the practice have amounted to so much shouting and handwaving. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #222

Pot...Kettle fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #223

Unless and until you can show it's a problem, your objections will remain more a matter of taste... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #225

They are Dead - Shot by Drunks with Guns Outside a Bar fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #226

All but one of the stories you posted happened OUTSIDE bars. Didya think we wouldn't notice? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #138

Outside or Inside fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #209

But no data for the "many other cases." It helps if there are surveys; guess you don't have 'em. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #148

Got stats for that? PavePusher Oct 2012 #146

They don't need to track it. CPL permit revocation is automatically tracked. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #136

It's not as if anyone ever has to defend their life in a bar or anything. trouble.smith Oct 2012 #84

Wow! Even in Santa Marta Columbia S.A. you have to check your guns at the door of the bar! Walk away Oct 2012 #102

You don't have to in Massachusetts or Vermont. Does that make us part of the "3rd World"? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #139

I guess they found that question inconvenient... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #215

Lovely little Delicate Flowers bongbong Oct 2012 #107

Should a Private Bar Owner Have to Serve an Armed Guest of their Establishment? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #194

If you own the property you can set whatever rules you like 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #196

Many Gun Advocates Disagree fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #199

There are gun advocates literally ramming guns down your throat? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #219

Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #220

His second sentence made sense- your assertion that led to it did not: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #224

So You Agree! fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #227

You have every right to keep anyone from doing whatever 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #228