Gun Control & RKBA

fightthegoodfightnow

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42. There are sober 'law abiding' people.....

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:35 PM

Sep 2012

...who illegally bring loaded guns to airport check points in a post 9/11 world that accidentally go off.

Do we really need to mix alcohol in that formula?

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Guns in bars, what could go wrong? (apparently very little) [View all] Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 OP

Well, the antis have a rather poor prediction record... Clames Sep 2012 #1

If you flip their predictions around they are accurate 99.999% of the time 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #4

truth is that we will never know how many guns are in bars because Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #2

I was a little concerned about that law until 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #3

Funny thing, the only people I ever see mention "Blood in the streets" are gun carriers. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #5

Give it a rest. Clames Sep 2012 #7

100,000 sounds about right Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #110

It's the low-end estimate. Clames Oct 2012 #134

If I were as unpleasantly patronizing and condescending as you, I'd wear a gun too. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #152

You only wish you could be as civil as me. Clames Oct 2012 #162

It's been running in my neighborhood. We asked for additional police presence. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #76

Hhhh...heh-heh-heh...Hhhh..heh-heh. You said the "P" word.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #90

I know a TON of people that think it's illegal in CO. Ashgrey77 Sep 2012 #6

It's never been about bars, but eating in peace with our families ileus Sep 2012 #8

RIGHT fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #9

That's why it's already illegal to consume and carry. ileus Sep 2012 #10

False equivalency Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #11

Right fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #14

Then provide the proof that it's a big problem. glacierbay Sep 2012 #19

I go to bars on a regular basis Oneka Sep 2012 #35

There are sober 'law abiding' people..... fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #42

Do we really need to change the goalposts? Oneka Oct 2012 #79

If you are discussing the recent post here: PavePusher Oct 2012 #140

I have dinner at resturants that have bars all the time and never drink alcohol hack89 Sep 2012 #43

And I should have to worry about who drinks and carries? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #46

Your worrying about it is your problem glacierbay Sep 2012 #51

Do you worry about all those cars in the bar parking lot? hack89 Sep 2012 #52

You Need a Permit to Drive a Car fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #56

What 12 states are you talking about? glacierbay Sep 2012 #57

True fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #60

Ok I got it glacierbay Sep 2012 #62

There is a reason why they are considering doing away with concealed weapons permits. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #119

So it is not the actual danger to society that bothers you hack89 Sep 2012 #59

I'm sure that's what you.... fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #61

You are so hot and bothered about guns in bars hack89 Sep 2012 #63

Incorrect fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #65

When you can document actual harm from these laws let me know hack89 Sep 2012 #69

Have a Drink fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #70

So you must be able to document many instances of this happening. hack89 Sep 2012 #71

Actually my 15 year old daughter is driving HER car right now...She has NO drivers license at all... virginia mountainman Oct 2012 #106

Why are you worried about the legal people with no ill intentions... PavePusher Oct 2012 #141

I don't drink. Sometimes I go to bars. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #130

Why would a gun carrier go to a bar? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #111

A lot of restaurants have bars, glacierbay Oct 2012 #112

I won't lose any sleep about it either Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #114

What's foolish about it glacierbay Oct 2012 #116

Applebee's has a bar - what if I want to have dinner? nt hack89 Oct 2012 #113

Hey, you want to have dinner at Applebee's, be my guest. nt Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #115

Applebee's, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm glacierbay Oct 2012 #118

So that is why I would be carrying a gun in a bar. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #120

To go to RESTAURANTS. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #122

I shall refrain from commenting on your dining choices. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #137

For the same reason this lady wanted to bring one into this restaurant: Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #149

She left it where it belonged. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #150

And as a result, she could not fight back and try to save her parents. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #151

Shit happens. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #153

It must be nice... beevul Oct 2012 #157

You are right. Shit does happen. Now what should people do when it does? Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #161

Show me where I propose taking that "choice" away from you. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #163

Oh good. I'm glad to hear you support the choice of Concealed Carry. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #164

What about the rights of those establishments? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #195

What about the rights of those establishments to bar gay people, or African-Americans? Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #197

Nonsense fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #198

No one has suggested that inanimate objects have rights. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #218

THEN DON'T GO THERE fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #221

Why not? What if I want to go there? Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #229

Then Don't Bring a Gun fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #233

I'd rather they just respect my Constitutional rights. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #234

There You Go Again fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #235

I never said they did. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #236

I agree, the property owner has the right to ban firearm son his/her property Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #201

Agree fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #202

In Colorado Springs? Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #203

Sorry, I do not support that choice at all. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #238

Hmm. I wonder what you meant when you said this: Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #240

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #241

I'm glad you support people having the choice to carry concealed weapons. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #242

Well... mvccd1000 Oct 2012 #237

No, you make your own choices in life Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #239

Ever hear of the Luby's massacre in Killen, TX? GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #168

Yes, and it's Killeen. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #170

join in the fray? gejohnston Oct 2012 #171

I was referring to the legislation, not the incident. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #176

You were referring to the incident. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #185

"Why would anyone want to take a loaded gun into a restaurant?" Jenoch Oct 2012 #174

It's called situational awareness. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #178

What about the people that actually Jenoch Oct 2012 #183

I'll agree the ex-marine was lucky to be armed. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #184

Not strange. Most DGUs are not newsworthy. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #186

You pulled the trigger, yet no shots were fired? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #187

"Pulled a gun" is another way of saying "drew a gun". GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #189

Oops! Misread your post. I must've been trigger happy. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #192

As Glacier pointed out Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #123

I go to bars to drink and play pool and chat with friends Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #154

Guns and alcohol don't mix, glacierbay Oct 2012 #155

I have no evidence and I didn't make any claim that they went to drink. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #156

True glacierbay Oct 2012 #158

Maybe, on the few occasions that I eat in bars/restaurants outside of California. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #179

Or the seductive drunk woman who's hitting on glacierbay Oct 2012 #180

Yep! She falls into the same category. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #182

You do go to bars or restaurants where people carry guns you just don't know it Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #167

I think I am more aware of where I go than you, unless you're stalking me. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #169

Drinking and driving doesn't go together 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #177

Interestingly, most bars I frequent do not have parking lots. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #181

Since you don't have a car that isn't surprising. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #190

I have a Prius. That's a car, though I no longer drive it much. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #191

I sometimes eat in bars. I sometimes designated driver for friends going to bars. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #133

If it's so prevalent glacierbay Sep 2012 #12

You KNOW? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #17

You misunderstand me glacierbay Sep 2012 #20

Like I Said fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #24

Of course it is that's why DRINKING while armed is still illegal in Ohio Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #37

Why Should I Worry About Who Has a Gun and Who Has a Drink in a bar? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #40

Yet you have no problem with people driving to bars? hack89 Sep 2012 #47

You know this because I've said so? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #49

So should people that drive to a bar be allowed to consume alchohol? hack89 Sep 2012 #53

Good question, why should you? I don't, and I suspect most people with petronius Oct 2012 #75

Dodge. Please cite the evidence that supports your concern. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #143

Dodge. Cite the evidence to the problem you claim. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #142

DRINKING and driving ISN'T banned Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #13

So Do Tell fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #15

Like I said glacierbay Sep 2012 #16

Didn't Answer the Question fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #18

But then again you have offered no proof that it has caused a demonstrable problem. oneshooter Sep 2012 #21

Yeah, I did answer the question glacierbay Sep 2012 #22

Dozens fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #25

Yeah? glacierbay Sep 2012 #29

What a LOAD Of BS fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #30

You said dozens glacierbay Sep 2012 #31

You Tell Me fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #32

Just going by your words glacierbay Sep 2012 #33

Seriously fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #34

are you a bartender in a cop bar? gejohnston Sep 2012 #36

Well... fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #41

If you weren't so evasive when questioned we wouldn't have to guess, now would we? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #54

Yawn....so let's recap..... fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #58

What is claimed without evidence can be rejected without evidence. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #67

If You Say So fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #172

So, tell us what you do for a living, or what it is about you that has led you to encounter dozens AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #135

Wish I Could fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #173

What do you do for a living? Marengo Oct 2012 #165

See Thread fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #175

Oh, yes, of course...a secret squirrel of one species or another Marengo Oct 2012 #188

Could Care Less fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #193

I doubt your "life or livlihood" would be "on the line" Marengo Oct 2012 #230

His credibility might. Put him with the "remote sensors" who claim to "know"... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #231

Of Course You Have Your Doubts fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #232

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #66

Was McCall drinking? NT Llewlladdwr Oct 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #87

Not relevant. McCall walked in off the street for the express purpose of shooting Hickok. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #86

I expect that one would have turned out the same no matter where McCall saw Hickock. NT Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #97

Yeah, those Law Abiding LEO's.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #145

Thanks for the Supporting Documentation fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #159

Yeah, I was being a bit snarky there, mea culpa. PavePusher Oct 2012 #166

You could. Clames Sep 2012 #23

Proactive? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #26

So do you actually read what is written? Ever? Clames Sep 2012 #27

What Law You Say I Support 'Fails that Metric'? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #28

Just the usual and predictable Brady Campaign/MAIG/VPC ones. Clames Sep 2012 #45

Right fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #48

Don't need to be specific. Clames Sep 2012 #73

Apparently in the last 136 YEARS it hasn't happened enough to be a problem. NT Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #38

LOL fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #39

It's *not* the people "who FORGOT they were carrying" who present a threat, or hadn't you noticed? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #44

Right.... fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #50

As has been pointed out previously, you are moving the goal posts Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #83

Continued dodging. Please cite evidence indicating an existing problem. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #144

You Did That fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #160

Once again illustrating that for the gunz peeples there is no place Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #55

Is the price of straw going up in your area? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #64

GunZombies: what do we want? gunz! Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #68

Oh I get it ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #78

If insults keep them warm at night, I say "more power to them". friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #80

We have to respect the fact ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #82

"... The impact is difficult to assess ... because law-enforcement and state agencies struggle4progress Sep 2012 #72

hard to track if gejohnston Sep 2012 #74

It's not tracked because it's not a big problem glacierbay Oct 2012 #85

Fights and gunfights occur regularly at bars nationwide struggle4progress Oct 2012 #88

Fist fights, yes, gun fights, no. glacierbay Oct 2012 #89

Police say woman, 2 men wounded in shooting outside west Phoenix bar by 2 men who escaped struggle4progress Oct 2012 #91

Were these legal concealed carriers? ileus Oct 2012 #124

So, one incident over what time frame and geo-spatial area? n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #147

Arrest made in killing outside Chester bar struggle4progress Oct 2012 #92

legal ccer's? ileus Oct 2012 #125

2 wounded in shooting in Arlington bar's parking lot struggle4progress Oct 2012 #93

legal carriers? ileus Oct 2012 #126

Two shot outside South Haven bar struggle4progress Oct 2012 #95

legal carriers? ileus Oct 2012 #127

Charleston bar closes following weekend shooting struggle4progress Oct 2012 #96

were the legal carriers? ileus Oct 2012 #128

Authorities: Flagler Beach woman fires shot when friend won't leave bar struggle4progress Oct 2012 #98

legal carriers can't drink. ileus Oct 2012 #129

Shooting outside South Bend bar leaves 1 dead, 1 injured struggle4progress Oct 2012 #100

Hahaahahahahahaha glacierbay Oct 2012 #103

And I said: "gunfights occur regularly at bars nationwide" -- which is also true struggle4progress Oct 2012 #104

The problem is not people with ccw drinking and carrying glacierbay Oct 2012 #108

were any of these cases legal carriers? ileus Oct 2012 #131

"Let's take our guns with us so we can be safe. Then we can get drunk and get into a fight struggle4progress Oct 2012 #101

one can't drink and legally carry. ileus Oct 2012 #132

AT bars I'll agree with IN bars is pretty rare around here Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #94

Any evidence "gunfights occur regularly at bars" Please use data/stats. Thanx Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #99

Without any difficulty, I located three separate news stories from the last week in September, struggle4progress Oct 2012 #105

Those were not shooting at bars glacierbay Oct 2012 #109

All the stories involve bar patrons squabbling and shooting struggle4progress Oct 2012 #117

That's irrelevant glacierbay Oct 2012 #121

Worth Repeating fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #200

And I will ask you the same question glacierbay Oct 2012 #204

Huh fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #205

That's not what I said or even inferred glacierbay Oct 2012 #206

Vast Majority? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #207

But those shootings weren't done by CC permitted citizens glacierbay Oct 2012 #208

What Jurisdiction Requires Any Government Employee to Carry a Gun in a Bar? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #210

That's easy glacierbay Oct 2012 #212

Your Choice fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #213

It's not a choice on whether or not to carry a gun while on the job. glacierbay Oct 2012 #214

Choice fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #216

But I don't feel there is a sacrifice glacierbay Oct 2012 #217

Guns and Bars fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #211

So far, your objections to the practice have amounted to so much shouting and handwaving. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #222

Pot...Kettle fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #223

Unless and until you can show it's a problem, your objections will remain more a matter of taste... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #225

They are Dead - Shot by Drunks with Guns Outside a Bar fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #226

All but one of the stories you posted happened OUTSIDE bars. Didya think we wouldn't notice? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #138

Outside or Inside fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #209

But no data for the "many other cases." It helps if there are surveys; guess you don't have 'em. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #148

Got stats for that? PavePusher Oct 2012 #146

They don't need to track it. CPL permit revocation is automatically tracked. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #136

It's not as if anyone ever has to defend their life in a bar or anything. trouble.smith Oct 2012 #84

Wow! Even in Santa Marta Columbia S.A. you have to check your guns at the door of the bar! Walk away Oct 2012 #102

You don't have to in Massachusetts or Vermont. Does that make us part of the "3rd World"? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #139

I guess they found that question inconvenient... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #215

Lovely little Delicate Flowers bongbong Oct 2012 #107

Should a Private Bar Owner Have to Serve an Armed Guest of their Establishment? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #194

If you own the property you can set whatever rules you like 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #196

Many Gun Advocates Disagree fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #199

There are gun advocates literally ramming guns down your throat? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #219

Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #220

His second sentence made sense- your assertion that led to it did not: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #224

So You Agree! fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #227

You have every right to keep anyone from doing whatever 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #228