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In reply to the discussion: 10 Tips for gun control advocates. [View all]Pholus
(4,062 posts)206. One big old tip back at ya for 2A apostles...
Your minimum training requirements to buy guns are a joke. *Never* try to imply that as a group you guys have gained any particular knowledge from the process cause I just joined your ranks. Yup, as a joke perpetrated on the liberal by a couple of right wing "2A advocate" buddies, I can now buy handguns and rifles in my home state. And the process leaves me with nothing but scorn because it took exactly a single hour of effort -- travel time to and from a local cop shop included. And that hour was completely intellectually devoid. Kind of like hours two and three (and four and dear god really? five? don't you guys get bored?) on the range were.... I do kind of like tweaking the scopes but honestly shoot/reload, shoot/reload, shoot/reload replace the target gets old fast. And amusingly I performed as good as my supposedly infinitely more practiced buddies when they wanted to compete. They were quite disappointed at that cause of course liberals can't shoot. But let's face it, inherent hand-eye coordination is something you got or you don't and it takes a LOT of practice to make up for lacking that. I also think they also were going to make jokes about me not knowing what to do, but 10 minutes with the Google and the basic mechanical operation of a gun is pretty simple. Ooooh the mad skillz I now possess...
Anyway, your training requirements are a complete and pathetic joke.
1) Gun safety training was less rigorous than my mandatory email training at work. Half the time requirement, no comprehension quiz. Pathetic, minimalistic check the box crap obviously arranged that way cause you bunch of whiners wouldn't probably shut up about it if you actually faced a situation where you could FAIL, now right? What. A. Crock.
2) Those "reams of forms" you need to fill out that sound so onerous? Yeah, got them. Less pages to fill in than the insurance and background forms for my recent SINGLE doctor's appointment. By a factor of two so it isn't even really close. Also, unlike the doctor's form I only had to look a single time at a supporting document for a number. Once again, I figure they had to tone down on the level of the stuff or they'd probably get several banker boxes of NRA form letters full of pathetic snivelling every day. Per office, of course. One thing about you guys, you can cut and paste with the best of them!
3) And then for a background check that takes on order of a single work week when I'm busy anyway. Ooooooo, what government oppression!
So let's recap: all the onerous government regulation you guys whine about and it took me like 60 minutes to complete it all and frankly I don't think I'm *that* much smarter than you. You guys make it sound like it's cleaning the flipping Aegean stables or something! Sorry, not by a long shot. If anything it is deliberately shoddy and I think it's because the regulators have been cowed by 40 years of your pissing and moaning. That needs to change!
Anyway, now I've decided to look into CCW classes too just so I can advance to the upper educational echelons of your little culture. Found one place that claims a single day is all it takes for the training. One class in a neighboring state claims to get that down to four hours "to meet the minimum requirements." And let's face it, the training is the only obstacle because I'm apparently REALLY good at your forms and my record is squeeky clean, yessir! So, after all that bragging by some about how CCW holders as a group have more training and discipline than many cops I can complete the training in a single day of effort? Really? Oh I can't wait for the endless line up of future "but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night" jokes I am going to make once I got that little bit of paper too...
So. You're right. Grabbing guns is a bad thing. Of course, I have yet to see anyone actually seriously propose it but I figure you see it as a required starting position in a negotiation to "prevent the slippery slope" and all that. But I think training should have a minimum 80 hour supervised requirement including hands-on practicum before a person is allowed to even buy a 22 in Walmart. Including a RIGOROUS test at the end about safety AND law. Chapter and verse kind of stuff with trick situational questions drawn from 40 years of real world examples. Really mean assed trivia so you HAVE to know your shit and if you fail you don't get to try again for three months. Kind of like a driver's license which come to think of it took longer to prepare for as well. And I had to actually study for THAT...
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You consider 85 gun killing incidents in America every day statistically insignificant.
Starboard Tack
Aug 2012
#180
The only fact that really counts is success rate. Guns win hands down when available.
Starboard Tack
Aug 2012
#185
If 85 cars a day crashed resulting in people dying, we'd do something about it
DainBramaged
Aug 2012
#190
This is posted in the RKBA forum, where such threads belong...should not be locked
ProgressiveProfessor
Jul 2012
#12
Every google dump of news articles containing shootings the anti-gun zealots post is flamebait
rl6214
Jul 2012
#118
Do you dispute the fact that there is a group of liberal gun owners who have formed a club?
rl6214
Jul 2012
#122
I wonder how it would be taken if every anti gun post was answered with
ProgressiveProfessor
Jul 2012
#163
Why do you feel it is appropriate to promote lies, distortions and untruths on D.U.?
PavePusher
Jul 2012
#116
It would appear that you actually know have little knowledge about the gun culture ...
spin
Jul 2012
#165
Why do newbes always come in here with right wing gun talking points like it's something brilliant?
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#39
Join the gun culture club. Most here aren't that honest about the right wing gun stuff they post.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#64
That shows "intent" for 2nd Amendment? Then, the 2nd Amendment isn't about bearing arms and
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#66
I'm starting to think you really don't have anything to add to the discussion nt
Reasonable_Argument
Jul 2012
#95
Now you're trying to dodge the issue because you got called out on it
Reasonable_Argument
Jul 2012
#90
That's a funny thought -- these guys do seem to think they are one of the Founding Fathers.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#82
So, I guess 0.8% is OK for violent crimes? How about all the "non-violent' crimes and intimidation
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#54
I don't think its reasonable to assume that if those .8% of criminals were unable
xxenderwigginxx
Jul 2012
#56
I gave it all the attentiont it decidedly deserved and probably a bit more.
kenfrequed
Aug 2012
#210
As opposed to fear-mongering directed towards gun owners, which has gained little traction.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#171
Is there anything decent left in you that gets tired of the blood-soaked apologetics?
villager
Aug 2012
#188
An assessment of political reality has become a "blood-soaked" apologia? How pitiful.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#194
"NRA-funded" If you've got any evidence, now would be a good time to show it..
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#169
Anybody who publicy uses the phrase "right to keep and bare arms" has no credibility in my book.
geckosfeet
Aug 2012
#201
Yeah. It's my fault people can't write then expect other people to take them seriously.
geckosfeet
Aug 2012
#207
As time goes on the general public will become disenchanted with gun owners...
Walk away
Aug 2012
#202
The makeup of the US population is going to change drastically in the next 10 to 20 yrs
Walk away
Aug 2012
#208
Keep it up! You'll end up holed up in the "don't tread on me" hills along with...
Walk away
Aug 2012
#214