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shira

(30,109 posts)
30. Israel is the Jewish homeland and a refuge for all Jews worldwide...
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:26 AM
Mar 2012

You don't believe Israel should give preference to Jews who still, after 70 years, need Israel to be what it is, do you? That when they do so, it's evil b/c they're just pushing more Arabs out - right?

"Both sides will declare that Palestine is the only state of the Palestinian people and Israel is the only state of the Jewish people."

-Sari Nusseibeh


Mutual Recognition: Under the Geneva Accord, the Palestinian people and government recognize the right of the Jewish people to their own state and recognize the State of Israel as their national home. Conversely, the people and government of Israel recognize the Palestinian state as the national home of the Palestinian people.

-Geneva Accord


"It is up to the Israelis and Palestinians to take action. No peace can be imposed upon them -- not by the United States; not by anybody else ... a lasting peace will involve two states for two peoples: Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people ... The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states."
- "Arab Spring" Speech, May 19, 2011.

"The special bonds between our nations are ones that all Americans hold dear because they’re bonds forged by common interests and shared values. They’re bonds that transcend partisan politics ... We stand with Israel as a Jewish democratic state because we know that Israel is born of firmly held values that we, as Americans, share: a culture committed to justice, a land that welcomes the weary, a people devoted to tikkun olam ... So America’s commitment to Israel and Israel’s security is unshakeable.
- Remarks to the 71st General Assembly of the Union for Reform Judaism, December 16, 2011

-Barak Obama


So as I understand it, your position against a Jewish state/homeland mirrors that of Hamas and the PLO. And you believe Obama, Nusseibeh, and the Geneva Accord people (as well as all those who believe the same) are the real extremists, racists, etc. Not Hamas and the PLO b/c their intentions on this one issue are pure. Is that correct?

Further, as I understand it you only see racism/apartheid and the like WRT Israel in the mideast. That's why you practically never ever speak or write about those things (including slavery) outside of Israel in the mideast. Is that correct?
And who can blame them? Lil Missy Mar 2012 #1
It's just an excuse Mosby Mar 2012 #2
That's what has happened, but not with Palestian agreement that settlements continue. Lil Missy Mar 2012 #3
So what? What do the 2 sides have to talk about w/Hamas in the mix? shira Mar 2012 #4
And then there are the Israeli preconditions... shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #5
Out of curiosity, which of those do you have a problem with? Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #6
out of curiosity do you deny that Israel is at present a Jewish State? azurnoir Mar 2012 #8
The PLO and Hamas need to recognize Israel as a Jewish state... shira Mar 2012 #10
What's the problem with saying that Israel is an Arab and Jewish state? shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #18
Why is this so difficult? Two nations for two peoples. One is a Palestinian homeland... shira Mar 2012 #22
You are trying to conflate two quite different notions... shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #25
No I'm not... shira Mar 2012 #27
You enjoy denying the patently obvious, don't you? shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #29
Israel is the Jewish homeland and a refuge for all Jews worldwide... shira Mar 2012 #30
I don't object to Israel being described as a refuge for Jews... shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #31
I have a problem with all of them.... Violet_Crumble Mar 2012 #12
the Israeli pre-conditions amount to a near rubber stamping of what currently is azurnoir Mar 2012 #7
that is precisely correct - the Israeli preconditions amount to nothing more than a status quo shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #9
What's this rubbish about a Palestinian right to defense? shira Mar 2012 #11
so you don't regard Palestinians as having the right to self-defence? shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #13
So you think a big Palestinian air force, tanks, etc. wouldn't be used against Israel.... shira Mar 2012 #14
why does a Palestinian state need a military? why does Jordan or Egypt? azurnoir Mar 2012 #20
The more specific question is why does Hamas need a military? shira Mar 2012 #23
your conflating the right now with the future azurnoir Mar 2012 #26
So with a 2 state solution, you recommend the West Bank be militarized... shira Mar 2012 #28
Netanyahu said he would start negotiations without any preconditions Mosby Mar 2012 #15
Obviously a mistranslation. He's still calling for pre-conditions. shira Mar 2012 #16
I suppose his preconditions must not be preconditions, then... shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #17
Dude, he is on video saying he's willing to start negotiations w/out preconditions Mosby Mar 2012 #19
ya Netanyahu said that and how many thousand settlement units has he approved since then? n/t azurnoir Mar 2012 #21
Yep, it's all Netanyahu's fault. The PLO and Hamas are so desperate for peace talks... shira Mar 2012 #24
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