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In reply to the discussion: Palestinians say no to new talks without settlement freeze [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)30. Israel is the Jewish homeland and a refuge for all Jews worldwide...
You don't believe Israel should give preference to Jews who still, after 70 years, need Israel to be what it is, do you? That when they do so, it's evil b/c they're just pushing more Arabs out - right?
"Both sides will declare that Palestine is the only state of the Palestinian people and Israel is the only state of the Jewish people."
-Sari Nusseibeh
-Sari Nusseibeh
Mutual Recognition: Under the Geneva Accord, the Palestinian people and government recognize the right of the Jewish people to their own state and recognize the State of Israel as their national home. Conversely, the people and government of Israel recognize the Palestinian state as the national home of the Palestinian people.
-Geneva Accord
-Geneva Accord
"It is up to the Israelis and Palestinians to take action. No peace can be imposed upon them -- not by the United States; not by anybody else ... a lasting peace will involve two states for two peoples: Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people ... The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states."
- "Arab Spring" Speech, May 19, 2011.
"The special bonds between our nations are ones that all Americans hold dear because theyre bonds forged by common interests and shared values. Theyre bonds that transcend partisan politics ... We stand with Israel as a Jewish democratic state because we know that Israel is born of firmly held values that we, as Americans, share: a culture committed to justice, a land that welcomes the weary, a people devoted to tikkun olam ... So Americas commitment to Israel and Israels security is unshakeable.
- Remarks to the 71st General Assembly of the Union for Reform Judaism, December 16, 2011
-Barak Obama
- "Arab Spring" Speech, May 19, 2011.
"The special bonds between our nations are ones that all Americans hold dear because theyre bonds forged by common interests and shared values. Theyre bonds that transcend partisan politics ... We stand with Israel as a Jewish democratic state because we know that Israel is born of firmly held values that we, as Americans, share: a culture committed to justice, a land that welcomes the weary, a people devoted to tikkun olam ... So Americas commitment to Israel and Israels security is unshakeable.
- Remarks to the 71st General Assembly of the Union for Reform Judaism, December 16, 2011
-Barak Obama
So as I understand it, your position against a Jewish state/homeland mirrors that of Hamas and the PLO. And you believe Obama, Nusseibeh, and the Geneva Accord people (as well as all those who believe the same) are the real extremists, racists, etc. Not Hamas and the PLO b/c their intentions on this one issue are pure. Is that correct?
Further, as I understand it you only see racism/apartheid and the like WRT Israel in the mideast. That's why you practically never ever speak or write about those things (including slavery) outside of Israel in the mideast. Is that correct?
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That's what has happened, but not with Palestian agreement that settlements continue.
Lil Missy
Mar 2012
#3
Why is this so difficult? Two nations for two peoples. One is a Palestinian homeland...
shira
Mar 2012
#22
the Israeli pre-conditions amount to a near rubber stamping of what currently is
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#7
that is precisely correct - the Israeli preconditions amount to nothing more than a status quo
shaayecanaan
Mar 2012
#9
So you think a big Palestinian air force, tanks, etc. wouldn't be used against Israel....
shira
Mar 2012
#14
Dude, he is on video saying he's willing to start negotiations w/out preconditions
Mosby
Mar 2012
#19