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104. They have won EVERYTHING.

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:48 PM

Jun 2013

If we're all so afraid of a possible nebulous attack that just might possibly take place at some point in the future that we're willing to trade away our basic rights as American citizens, then yes, they have won.

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Pic of the Moment: Welcome to the Surveillance State [View all] Skinner Jun 2013 OP

Yep, technology has improved and more means of survellience and it is here for a while. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #1

Bury your computer in the woods and don't leave the house. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #11

+1 Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #22

Not me, don't care how much data they collect on me, I am not watching outside Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #67

It's all very boring until someone gets into power who has a real thing against boring people. Kurovski Jun 2013 #90

I would not think it boring if terrorist attacks never happened again. I quiet well understand when Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #97

intel gathering can be done with proper oversite and accountability. Kurovski Jun 2013 #105

"As long as I got my gun I can be perfectly content as a slave in a fascist state." reusrename Jun 2013 #96

Just make sure you stay that way no matter who's in control or what they do think Jun 2013 #102

United we stand divided we fall Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #103

This does not surprise me. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #2

I prefer "Stasi State", but then again I'm old school. nt. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #3

And it's all information that's gathered daily by private corps we interact with all the time. baldguy Jun 2013 #4

I very much dislike that said companies collect all that data. Laelth Jun 2013 #14

And the fact that corps aren't limited in what they do supposed to make me feel better? baldguy Jun 2013 #29

I would certainly favor some reasonable limits. Laelth Jun 2013 #31

Then perhaps Edward Snowden and the Drs. Paul shouldn't be leading the charge. baldguy Jun 2013 #39

+1,000. Yes, we don't get any vote with them. We might pay cash and wear a bag over our head. freshwest Jun 2013 #81

Yet the 1st Amendment does? nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #56

No, the 1st Amendment does not apply to corps. either. Laelth Jun 2013 #59

In the context of gathering information Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #24

And you think multinational, multibillion dollar corps with no public accountability baldguy Jun 2013 #37

There's no difference between TBTF corps and govt anymore. They feed off each other. n/t Psephos Jun 2013 #68

1,931 (and more to come) private companies that will undoubtedly lobby to increase surveillance Auggie Jun 2013 #5

Damn it all ...I'm going back to snail mail. L0oniX Jun 2013 #6

... n2doc Jun 2013 #13

Every piece of mail is scanned, front and rear. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #87

Yes! hand written of course! nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #15

Non lick stamps to avoid DNA trace. L0oniX Jun 2013 #16

Better yet I will hand deliver everything. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #28

that is devestating. Locrian Jun 2013 #7

Yep, another entrenched industry, like the Prison-Industrial Complex. kath Jun 2013 #18

This is NOT titanicdave Jun 2013 #8

Seriously? I'm sure East Germany used the same argument. harun Jun 2013 #10

Hardly. Were you ever there? I was in East Germany several times DFW Jun 2013 #26

Harun did not equate the US with East Germany, though. merrily Jun 2013 #38

Agreed there. DFW Jun 2013 #41

I would think that having been there would also want you to stop any part of a process that merrily Jun 2013 #47

Actually, in the case of East Germany, it pretty much did just that DFW Jun 2013 #63

I value your 1st Hand perspective. bvar22 Jun 2013 #74

I usually don't spend much time south of Dallas DFW Jun 2013 #88

If we give up some of our civil liberties in name of fighting radical extremism, then the totodeinhere Jun 2013 #12

what titanicdave Jun 2013 #30

My God how are they protecting the constitution? dkf Jun 2013 #32

Are they protecting the people? merrily Jun 2013 #48

So they think. dkf Jun 2013 #55

Protecting it by breaking it... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #60

You mentioned protecting the Constitution. Is wholesale spying on the American people protecting the totodeinhere Jun 2013 #34

You are conflating defending the Constitution with keeping people physically s. That does not work. merrily Jun 2013 #40

Tell me how they are protecting the constitution. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #57

LOL!! You're kidding right? This has to be satire.... bowens43 Jun 2013 #93

They have won EVERYTHING. historylovr Jun 2013 #104

Please engage brain before posting on this board.... lastlib Jun 2013 #25

Uh oh, Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies emulatorloo Jun 2013 #27

I don't generally like Nazi analogies either but in this case I think that the analogy is a totodeinhere Jun 2013 #35

Godwin's rule is Mike Godwin's bullshit, designed to watch it grow as a pure meme, which, merrily Jun 2013 #42

+1 n/t NealK Jun 2013 #62

Ok, sure, this is just like the Holocaust emulatorloo Jun 2013 #66

Oh Grow Up titanicdave Jun 2013 #78

right... Kali Jun 2013 #46

No, you are not a liberal. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #58

Wrong titanicdave Jun 2013 #77

And you also support... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #79

And you point is........... titanicdave Jun 2013 #84

My point is that people... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #85

And dave is busted. Kurovski Jun 2013 #91

... SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #75

RUIN OUR WAY OF LIFE? Skittles Jun 2013 #89

What a mindbogglingly naive remark. bowens43 Jun 2013 #92

And yet less than 50 Americans have been killed since 9/11 Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #9

You raise a good point. We're spending billions in the name of saving lives from terrorist attacks. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #19

It's not about "Saving Lives" warrant46 Jun 2013 #33

Are you forgetting the thousands of soldiers that have died since 9/11? thelordofhell Jun 2013 #20

No one forced us to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, or to stay in Afghanistan this long. merrily Jun 2013 #49

Tell that to the MIC thelordofhell Jun 2013 #71

They are a volunteer army... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #61

They would argue that they create and maintain thousands of high-paying jobs. Amonester Jun 2013 #94

This makes me think of Rachel Maddow's MSNBC promo ad that says snappyturtle Jun 2013 #17

One would have thought that the economic collapse of 2008 would have provided a great merrily Jun 2013 #50

Exactly. Sad. nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #52

I think they're trying to figure out who in the citizenry to kill off and when. valerief Jun 2013 #21

The surveillance makes me think we're the ones they consider enemies. merrily Jun 2013 #45

We ARE the enemies of the gazillionaires. If we weren't, they'd share and wouldn't be gazillionaires valerief Jun 2013 #99

Time to rein in Big Government! lastlib Jun 2013 #23

And still, many won't believe where this is headed..... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #36

Thank you. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #44

We all have better things to do than spend our time being JDPriestly Jun 2013 #43

"Welcome" suggests it is new. kenfrequed Jun 2013 #51

K&R Solly Mack Jun 2013 #53

We had ctsnowman Jun 2013 #54

$1 trillion per year is budgeted to this monstrous for-profit Terror-Industrial Complex: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #64

From his grave in the briny deep, Bin Laden is smiling B Stieg Jun 2013 #65

So, you're saying that George Bush did actually create jobs. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #69

On the brighter side, think of all the jobs that have been created... RushIsRot Jun 2013 #70

It's not a war on terror, it's a war on American citizens. Initech Jun 2013 #72

Election thefts cost a lot Politicalboi Jun 2013 #73

And yet ... AUSTERITY NOW! AUSTERITY FOREVER! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #76

And bridges are crumbling Canuckistanian Jun 2013 #80

Check out available jobs in just about any company that contracts with the government in LibDemAlways Jun 2013 #82

Whe were these secure complexes built? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #83

Just think of all those chervilant Jun 2013 #86

We should at least get free cell phone & ISP service. CrispyQ Jun 2013 #95

So Skinner, not feeling the love of the Total Information Awareness? tavalon Jun 2013 #98

Land of the free (?) Initech Jun 2013 #100

33,900 requests in 33 years of FISA ... about 1,000 a year. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #101