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Brettongarcia

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176. Maybe we've just solved a murder mystery here on DU: Love Triangle; Jealousy; spurned by fiancee
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 05:55 PM
Feb 2012

Last edited Mon Feb 20, 2012, 11:58 AM - Edit history (1)

I bet that the preacher didn't expect that to happen in his church. Sad situation. southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #1
How Ironic Honest Turtle Feb 2012 #158
Here is a thought.. Maybe it was her time and god took her. Who knows? But you sure bring southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #163
You kinda just blamed god for killing her. octothorpe Feb 2012 #238
Well god does works in mysterious ways, doesn't he? On the other hand I do agree with you. southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #239
Here's another thought: There is no god. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #268
Whatever you believe is your opinion. Just like assholes we all have one. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #269
Right. Just like it's your opinion that there is some Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #271
It's your right to disagree. I'm just throwing it out there. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #272
Because some idiot was negotiating a gun sale in the church. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2
+1 xchrom Feb 2012 #5
And how. Warpy Feb 2012 #8
+infinity KG Feb 2012 #16
This. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #21
+2 sarcasmo Feb 2012 #25
Probably because someone negligently pulled the trigger. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Feb 2012 #36
In a church? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #41
Doesn't make the gun more or less likely to go off. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #42
Which part of completely inappropriate do you not get? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #44
Would you prefer he left it in his car, the headline read 'gun stolen from church parking lot'? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #55
"People carry. It's ok" Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #60
and defending this abomination would be one of them. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #76
Nice strawman you've erected there. LAGC Feb 2012 #81
The gun didn't shoot itself. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #101
You are arguing against a point the poster did not make. Gore1FL Feb 2012 #133
I missed the part where I defended the killing, or the manner of the gun sale. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #88
Sorry, I don't think "carrying" is "normal' Zookeeper Feb 2012 #96
I'm not going to flame you. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #117
Agreed. i wouldn't even GO to a public place if I thought people were carrying. eom tledford Feb 2012 #182
Since your profile says NC, I assume you don't go out much...? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #188
It's warped to suggest that a gun getting stolen is just as bad as someone getting killed CreekDog Feb 2012 #110
Stolen guns usually lead to exactly that, and in many cases, more than one person getting killed. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #113
I guess you missed the part about Jesus and the money changers. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #250
One of these things is not like the other... AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #252
The principle is the same. They weren't just changing money, they were also selling animals. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #255
How so, "completely inappropriate", assuming you are refering to the location? PavePusher Feb 2012 #63
so a church is an appropriate place to sell a gun? Seriously? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #149
I don't see why not. PavePusher Feb 2012 #165
You "don't see why not"... brentspeak Feb 2012 #230
"unsupervised gun sale"? What is that? Who should be supervising? PavePusher Feb 2012 #232
+100 crim son Feb 2012 #138
Nope! There'll be more; so churchgoers can protect themselves! Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #196
What's so special about a church? Had it been in a Kroger parking lot snooper2 Feb 2012 #233
no gun sales at a krogers or a basketball court are also inappropriate. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #237
what churches actually are and what you describe them as "supposed to be" snooper2 Feb 2012 #240
Yes you should have given all your neighbors clear warning. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #241
Yes. A church has protected tax exempt status. Commerce is prohibited. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #256
The church wasn't selling guns an indivdual was--- snooper2 Feb 2012 #258
The church is not the appropriate place for individuals to buy and sell either. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #260
The church itself is selling shit all day every day snooper2 Feb 2012 #261
Its the church's business to allow or not allow such things. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #51
Its the church's business to allow or not allow such things. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #77
It is NOT the law's business to discriminate against churches however. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #97
If one can keep and bear arms on private property AlbertCat Feb 2012 #102
If you say so. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #107
And how much would you scream if they did exactly that? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #141
"a well regulated militia being neccessary" is the part the gun crowd conveniently ignores leftyohiolib Feb 2012 #164
No, we don't ignore it. PavePusher Feb 2012 #166
Well Regulated meant something different in 18th century english. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #177
Pretty huge sample size you have there. I guess all but one gun is safe. Tunkamerica Feb 2012 #131
The type, brand, model of gun doesn't matter if someone wasn't following basic gun safety. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #136
Do you usually keep the gun loaded during a gun sale? itsrobert Mar 2012 #267
Not intentionally, but I know I wouldn't pull the trigger without... aikoaiko Mar 2012 #270
"armed idiots' amuse bouche Feb 2012 #49
+1 Irishonly Feb 2012 #92
Why do we need guns in church? Is this a RW Gun Cult thing? jpak Feb 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #19
Even in the crapper izquierdista Feb 2012 #26
. rocktivity Feb 2012 #28
Butt you has to be a crack shot. NT. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #45
Why do we need church? sarcasmo Feb 2012 #27
+1. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #40
+1 AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #43
Quite a few people feel the need to be told what and how to think Major Nikon Feb 2012 #108
so we can maintain gun sales, silly. Javaman Feb 2012 #156
+1 lanlady Feb 2012 #218
don't know, but what totalitarian a-hole would propose a law to make it illegal aikoaiko Feb 2012 #34
but what totalitarian a-hole would propose a law to make it illegal AlbertCat Feb 2012 #78
Nobody wants deaths like this happen anywhere. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author AlbertCat Feb 2012 #79
Just recently, some state legalized conceal carry in church. caseymoz Feb 2012 #72
my condolences to the family and church members. niyad Feb 2012 #4
Making a mistake, and committing gross negligence. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #46
a responsible gun owner would have AlbertCat Feb 2012 #80
You don't know where he came from or where he was going after. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #89
Any gathering of people is potentially a target of some lunatic. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #103
That is why some of us AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #115
Paranoid much? atreides1 Feb 2012 #257
Extremely. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #259
How sad. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #6
Stupid fucking idiots n/t tabasco Feb 2012 #7
"Investigators have said Moises Zambrana was showing his gun in a small closet rocktivity Feb 2012 #9
"The gun went off" NOT! TexasProgresive Feb 2012 #11
Here's what it looks like rocktivity Feb 2012 #18
Yeah, it sure looks like the slide locks back TexasProgresive Feb 2012 #134
Another republican gun christian in the closet tech_smythe Feb 2012 #15
While clinging, tightly, to your safeinOhio Feb 2012 #123
"No charges have been filed"... TreasonousBastard Feb 2012 #10
YET. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #47
how THE FUCK does this happen AT A FUCKING CHURCH!!!!! tech_smythe Feb 2012 #12
Why not, when it can happen in a classroom rocktivity Feb 2012 #22
That was exactly what came to my mind, too, when I read the post! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2012 #59
Please enlighten us. Johnson20 Feb 2012 #30
Your are correct. safeinOhio Feb 2012 #124
Yep. He has probably Johnson20 Feb 2012 #137
Well, the one who was trying to do a gun deal in a church closet springs to mind. Tunkamerica Feb 2012 #132
lol yep he would make the list. grantcart Feb 2012 #262
Has no-one ever needed to defend themselves in a church? PavePusher Feb 2012 #64
Has no-one ever needed to defend themselves in a church? AlbertCat Feb 2012 #84
African-American churches in the south, during the height of the Civil Rights movement.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #140
It only happens in church's that safeinOhio Feb 2012 #125
Seriously? So this was self defense? I will risk a jury and straight up call you a moron. Tunkamerica Feb 2012 #263
If you re-read what I said, and what I was responding to.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #264
Is it just me, or has American culture been getting increasingly absurd? wial Feb 2012 #13
No its not just you. Johnson20 Feb 2012 #31
Yeah, it's just you. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #48
seemingly innocuous things can get people killed. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #82
Or bodies of water. Or a set of stairs. Or a balcony. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #91
You know, all things that kill more people in ACCIDENTS every year, AlbertCat Feb 2012 #104
I thought we were talking about accidents here? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #114
3 poorly designed baby cribs kill children every year safeinOhio Feb 2012 #127
Magazine disconnects are pretty common now. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #129
Article headline reads "Woman, 20, Dies After Freak Fla. Church SHOOTING" brentspeak Feb 2012 #229
At least driving a car requires a license and passing a test. safeinOhio Feb 2012 #126
"going to a government office and paying a fee." AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #236
Yep, its just you. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #50
No. It's me too. tblue Feb 2012 #61
Fucking Guns otohara Feb 2012 #14
To be fair the majority are responsible tech_smythe Feb 2012 #17
The majority are responsible? abelenkpe Feb 2012 #20
there are 330 million people in this country... the majority still are responsible tech_smythe Feb 2012 #23
It happens a lot less than people drowning in their bathtub. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #33
Nope. More accidental shootings. saras Feb 2012 #53
Fair enough. I should have just said "drowning", which is nearly 1000% more than firearm discharge. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #56
The point is, there are so many things in this world that are MUCH MORE DANGEROUS. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #85
That is a matter of opinion. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #87
Maybe I am misusing it then? AlbertCat Feb 2012 #105
OR, it's life safety device, retained for the protection of human life. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #118
false dichotomy fail Major Nikon Feb 2012 #111
well said.... fascisthunter Feb 2012 #150
This is about accidental deaths with firearms. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #94
bathtub drownings don't make the headlines???? waddirum Feb 2012 #194
80+ million gun owners. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #52
News stories aren't the actual trends Posteritatis Feb 2012 #65
Can you do basic math? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #66
Considering the shear number of people who own guns... NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #95
Locked Up At Home? otohara Feb 2012 #24
the majority are responsible and know to leave their weapons unloaded, safety on, and locked up AlbertCat Feb 2012 #83
Typically the safeties are not on if the gun is unloaded. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #160
Yeah. I hate 'em and I'm not ashamed to say it. tblue Feb 2012 #62
Well, we DO needs guns in church. And state capitols. That's what the people, all 5 of them, want.nt valerief Feb 2012 #29
Raise your hand if you knew it was Florida midnight armadillo Feb 2012 #32
I was expecting Texas.... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2012 #54
Regional bigotry, alive and well on DU. How.... sad. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #67
I am willing to bet the pastor is himself a gun nut Doctor_J Feb 2012 #37
As ye sow. . . . The sowing comes before the reaping, nt tblue37 Feb 2012 #70
Clearly, someone handled a gun negligently. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #38
Four simple rules AlbertCat Feb 2012 #86
Good luck with that. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #100
Good luck with that. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #106
As was and is your right to do so. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #109
While there are 4 basic rules, safeinOhio Feb 2012 #128
I agree with your general point about the purpose of gun laws. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #139
WWJP onehandle Feb 2012 #39
I loved your picture left on green only Feb 2012 #73
So that's where they got the idea for "Yosemite Sam" Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #266
Good one! LiberalLovinLug Feb 2012 #173
God is an asshole Duer 157099 Feb 2012 #57
Guns don't kill people... LiberalLovinLug Feb 2012 #171
Her fiance was the one wanting to buy it. I wonder if he's the idiot who pulled the trigger bloomington-lib Feb 2012 #58
This happened secondvariety Feb 2012 #68
If only someone was allowed concealed carry in a church then they could have prevented this ... Nihil Feb 2012 #69
What a horrible accident. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #71
Spam deleted by cyberswede (MIR Team) safghjtykt Feb 2012 #74
Alerted as spam. rocktivity Feb 2012 #75
Praise the Lord she died with her 2nd Ammendment rights intact. Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #90
I cannot stress this enough - know your weapon. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #93
You should never carry a gun like that with a round chambered. Lasher Feb 2012 #116
Negative. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #119
That is inappropriate for my environment, and the one described in the article. Lasher Feb 2012 #122
My firearm has multiple safeties that allow me to leave the weapon in condition zero at all times. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #130
There are three safeties on my Model 1911. Lasher Feb 2012 #145
Four. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #178
But you said you were able to keep your weapon in Condition 0 Lasher Feb 2012 #180
Being a striker-fired weapon AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #184
"inappropriate for my environment" PavePusher Feb 2012 #143
No, I have no job-related requirement. Lasher Feb 2012 #147
No, sorry. Not at all what is taught/recommended... PavePusher Feb 2012 #142
Then you don't know the instructors I've known. Lasher Feb 2012 #148
Unless you can gurantee having two hands available in a defensive situation..... PavePusher Feb 2012 #151
I was trained by the Army to use a Model 1911 .45 caliber semi-automatic. Lasher Feb 2012 #170
For the record, I've spent 21+ years in the USAF. PavePusher Feb 2012 #172
Air Force? You folks were good helpers for us real soldiers in the Army. Lasher Feb 2012 #179
There is nothing unsafe about a C&L 1911. There are three operative safeties.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #192
The exception to that is when carrying for defense. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #153
The weapon is not ready to fire unless you disengage the safeties. Lasher Feb 2012 #155
The difference is you can disengage the safety with one hand. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #159
I was counting the half-cock fail-safe as a safety. Lasher Feb 2012 #174
Ah, that little stop about 2mm before the hammer is fully dropped. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #201
I rarely carry a handgun either. Lasher Feb 2012 #214
This is the tip of the iceberg Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #99
The odds on this must be INCREDIBLE. I don't believe it. juajen Feb 2012 #112
The unlikely circumstances here do call for... Mr_Jefferson_24 Feb 2012 #135
I've never quite understood the whole guns and church thing (or at least how they go together) fujiyama Feb 2012 #120
Churches are social gathering places as well as places of worship. PavePusher Feb 2012 #144
I'm responding. Tripod Feb 2012 #121
So this Kid's Life is the Sacrifice for Gunners rights to carry... fascisthunter Feb 2012 #146
The only person making that absurd claim.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #152
the ultimate sacrifice for your rights fascisthunter Feb 2012 #181
The two men handling the gun knew they were not supposed to do that in church. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #154
Is there a law to that effect in Florida? Can you cite to it? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #186
It doesn't need to be a law. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #190
They teach firearms classes in many churches. Many people carry defensive arms in churches. PavePusher Feb 2012 #193
Then you live in a very strange place. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #200
Quite common in many places. Stand anywhere you wish. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #205
Anyone that carries a concealed weapon I have found Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #157
Empirical evidence seems to refute your unsupported assertions. PavePusher Feb 2012 #189
lol ellisonz Feb 2012 #195
Are you implying that H.B.'s claims were correct.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #197
Crushingly tragic. My heart goes out to her family for their loss. truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #161
Are There Guns in Heaven? What about Ammo? solarman350 Feb 2012 #162
something fishy smells - doing a gun sale in a closet & then the girl is shot (outside the closet?) wordpix Feb 2012 #167
I was scrolling down to post the same thing. I thought the same word - "fishy." yardwork Feb 2012 #168
Extremely fishy! The guy who shot her "accidentally" ... was her own fiance!!? Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #175
Maybe we've just solved a murder mystery here on DU: Love Triangle; Jealousy; spurned by fiancee Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #176
the shooter was allegedly the guy showing gun to fiance wordpix Feb 2012 #220
That is so sad Marrah_G Feb 2012 #169
One of the saddest NOI4I Feb 2012 #183
Guns in a church Relentless Bitch Feb 2012 #185
No doubt trying to make an illegal sale? nt nanabugg Feb 2012 #187
"Illegal sale" how? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #191
if 2 guys are conducting a gun deal in a closet, it's probably illegal, that's how wordpix Feb 2012 #198
Feel free to cite the laws being broken that would indicate an illegal sale. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #199
PP, if this gun deal is legal, why is it being conducted in a church CLOSET? wordpix Feb 2012 #204
I'm assuming that they went into a closet/store-room with the intention of having a safer backstop.. PavePusher Feb 2012 #206
BTW, you have no proof of your assertions the sale was legal wordpix Feb 2012 #216
"the history of guns in churches"? Cite, please. Have guns never been used to defend churches? PavePusher Feb 2012 #219
here is just ONE citation with 18 separate incidents in 11 yrs. Look more up yourself wordpix Feb 2012 #221
If you were trying to demonstrate that churches should be prepared for defense..... PavePusher Feb 2012 #222
sigh, I guess we all just have to live with the US as the wild west wordpix Feb 2012 #223
Well, if you are going to base your assumptions off false memes... PavePusher Feb 2012 #224
Might be the only thread on DU this year LanternWaste Feb 2012 #202
So tired of acting like gun lovers are normal members of society DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #203
Instead of displaying virulent bigotry to lawful Citizens, perhaps you could explain.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #207
contemporary American churches are in dire need of motes, crenelated walls, and murder holes... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #210
Do you need for me to repeat myself? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #211
No, your bigotry was quite clear the first time. PavePusher Feb 2012 #212
You need to learn what bigotry means, gunboy DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #213
I've lived on four continents and visted over 25 countries. I'm quite familiar with bigotry. PavePusher Feb 2012 #215
Smack-down scoring 3.5 out of 10 snooper2 Feb 2012 #242
Oh goody, the local hipster weighs in DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #243
Anytime! I really need to work on some more scoring categories snooper2 Feb 2012 #244
You are a very generous person. PavePusher Feb 2012 #246
No offense, but... brentspeak Feb 2012 #231
There's only one way I take mine into church... ileus Feb 2012 #225
There's only one way I take mine into church... ileus Feb 2012 #226
Predictably this thread is a clear demonstration of why there is a gungeon. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #208
Segregation? Remmah2 Feb 2012 #253
Idiocy. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #254
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #209
update wordpix Feb 2012 #217
Did anyone catch that the person in the closet buying the gun SaintPete Feb 2012 #227
I don't see "suspicious" unless you think the guys could see through walls. PavePusher Feb 2012 #228
More guns = death Evasporque Feb 2012 #234
Well.... unless you look at actual statistics, of course. PavePusher Feb 2012 #247
Tragic and unnecessary. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools. slackmaster Feb 2012 #235
I suspect foul play Taverner Feb 2012 #245
Negligence =/= "foul play". PavePusher Feb 2012 #248
I dunno - it's not that hard to hit a target on the other side of the wall... Taverner Feb 2012 #249
You always always always clear the chamber obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #251
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