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In reply to the discussion: Every American citizen is now required to help make insurance corporations richer. Enjoy! [View all]chknltl
(10,558 posts)208. Perhaps you will be able to die of old age....
...BECAUSE of Obama Care. Zaletex, I am not here to debate you but instead to thank you. Your concerns are not yours alone, they are shared by many across this country. We The People should be paying attention to and discussing this topic. IMO, attention to and discussion of social change brought to us by OUR government is crucial to a healthy democracy. As you are well aware, our society/democracy has been far from healthy for far too long. This discussion, going on in practically every nook and cranny across this nation RIGHT NOW, is a beautiful thing.
THANK YOU FOR THAT!
(btw: like many here and more importantly like Thom Hartman, I disagree with you.
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Every American citizen is now required to help make insurance corporations richer. Enjoy! [View all]
Zalatix
Jun 2012
OP
I sure hope so. But I doubt it. I most certainly will die of old age before it happens.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#3
Not only that, millions would be uninsured and health insurance would be more expensive
Major Nikon
Jun 2012
#275
This is better than not having it.You will not die with lack of coverage even if you have a preexist
The Wielding Truth
Jun 2012
#138
Instead you will die because the crappy bronze coverage (all that you can afford)
eridani
Jun 2012
#223
That was the intention of the bill, according to Washington Monthly in 06-07
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#154
Remember when people here said they would not forget how our leaders folded on health care reform?
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#192
Well we did shift the costs of care off of the government and high income earners..
girl gone mad
Jun 2012
#210
I understand why people are pessimistic, but the people who are more optimistic,
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#48
Whatever happened to the Liberals who rolled up their sleeves, and said, "OK, let's get to work now!"
Ikonoklast
Jun 2012
#169
Until then, middle class workers with pre-existing conditions will pay thousands extra per month
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#9
Those with pre-existing conditions cannot be charged extra. Where do your information?
progree
Jun 2012
#30
They get charged extra when the insurance companies jack the rates for everyone
eridani
Jun 2012
#267
What is MLR and where do you get your figure that MLR was 95% in the 90s? and what is it now?
progree
Jul 2012
#325
Wrong. Premiums will only rise with age and income, not with preexisting conditions.
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#55
I've heard that health insurance can only be a certain % of income now.
raouldukelives
Jun 2012
#110
"It only affects THOSE people who don't have insurance. It doesn't affect MOST of us"
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#150
And if you don't like the coverage, you opt out, pay your tax and you're covered
Fawke Em
Jun 2012
#116
I can tell you one thing... the jumping and cheering for "individual responsibility" for health care
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#248
You forgot to mention "they will just pay the EXTRA TAX" on top of what they pay now.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#107
Its not a choice, its an immoral, mercantilist fine on the working poor which gov't is calling a tax
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#159
They opposed it because it effectively introduces the federal government as a competitor
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#10
No they aren't. They can pay the tax (and yes I can now call it a tax), which doesn't go to...
phleshdef
Jun 2012
#6
"Now that it is a tax" -- nothing has changed, it is a penalty levied on the working poor
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#189
They did all that because they are radical Ayn Rand corporate fascists, and HCR is mercantilist.
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#126
People that don't want to buy health insurance. Reading comprehension is your friend.
phleshdef
Jun 2012
#119
People keep referring to this "they" as if to suggest they aren't here on DU, including me and Matt
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#151
I'm pretty sure the working poor, at least for the most part, qualify to be exempt from the mandate.
phleshdef
Jun 2012
#170
you are not exempt if you make more than $9000 a year $19000 for a family (roughly)
Dragonfli
Jun 2012
#179
Dragonfli, you are another person on DU at present who is currently uninsured
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#243
I can offer you the perspective of one surrounded by people that just can't afford it.
Dragonfli
Jun 2012
#259
I don't understand why it's only 15 million people because 133% poverty is closer to 50 million.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#249
Thank you, you have explained what many people don't seem to want to acknowledge.
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#278
There is a divide on this issue between those directly affected and those who will merely see their
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#200
You got it reverse, you're saying, if it hurts low income uninsured, but helps middle class
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#217
Note that today's decision allows states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion...
PoliticAverse
Jun 2012
#50
Actually capping operating expenses and profits to 15% - 20% (excluding the hundreds of exemptions
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#164
Scalia, Alito and Thomas won Kennedy over to your side. They thought they had the mandate defeated,
pampango
Jun 2012
#18
Roberts was paid off by the Insurance Industry, he was always a Business Hack
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#23
Even "Single payer" would be run and managed by the insurance companies.....so I'm not sure I get
cbdo2007
Jun 2012
#25
I work for a health insurance company and a lot of our business is Medicare and Medicaid....
cbdo2007
Jun 2012
#250
If there were no constitutional provision against a poll tax we'd be having arguments about it on DU
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#153
Sorry, but Leftists aren't extremists... unless you define accepting reality as extreme.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#165
When did it become Leftist, much less Right wing, to oppose Stamp-Act style mercantilism
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#168
"Left and right are relative terms", but one is based on reality and one is not.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#182
I'm not selling the abolishment of the whole ACA. Just the individual mandate.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#283
My 16 year old Niece, cancer surviver, no longer has a "pre-existing condition" keeping her
JoePhilly
Jun 2012
#45
This could have been done while putting the insurance companies on a much tighter leash
Lydia Leftcoast
Jun 2012
#290
Obama was able to take the Progressives to the woodshed to get them to support the bill
Lydia Leftcoast
Jun 2012
#299
I'll spot you all of the blue dogs, all you as President have to do is flip Lieberman.
JoePhilly
Jul 2012
#324
If the Dems take the Senate, they should get rid of the fake filibuster
Lydia Leftcoast
Jul 2012
#341
you can avoid making insurance corporations richer by simply paying your taxes.
unblock
Jun 2012
#47
This post shows that you do not know what provisions for small employers are in the ACA.
Ikonoklast
Jun 2012
#254
In 2016 and thereafter the penalty is $695 or 2.5% of income, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, nt
progree
Jul 2012
#330
I have already benefitted from the ACA... no co-pay on GYN tests that found a condition
Windy
Jun 2012
#79
The fact that Scalia is having a meltdown and that insurance cos spent MILLIONS
emulatorloo
Jun 2012
#112
40 million uninsured people, will be covered. Those with pre-existing conditions will be covered
still_one
Jun 2012
#102
and those companies are regulated like a utility, limited rate of profit and new regulated business
CreekDog
Jun 2012
#129
If we're FORCED to buy, they should be NOT-FOR-PROFIT. Capitalism is based on consumer choice. nt
Romulox
Jun 2012
#130
Citizen's United means corps. can spend UNLIMITED money to get politicians to make us by things.
Romulox
Jun 2012
#131
Looks like the vast majority of people still on DU support mandatory private health care
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#166
they consider it a win for the D's even though it was hatched by the R's ..a political compromise
xiamiam
Jun 2012
#177
I'm positive I'll have to move to another country either way if I want Single Payer.
HughBeaumont
Jun 2012
#167
that makes sense to me, but, stock went down on insurance. insurance fought it.
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#202
this is the very beginning of universal healthcare. it will change and go through many phases.
spanone
Jun 2012
#203
If you want to be intellectually honest, make your argument with figures and data.
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#205
You can thank Bush for the regressive Health Savings Account and don't have to pay a dime.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#213
Single payer wasn't going to be enacted if the ACA was ruled unconstitutional
mythology
Jun 2012
#215
And now I don't have to pay for some visiting the ER for a runny nose.
liberal N proud
Jun 2012
#226
Actually, you are wrong... VT has already passed a single-payer health care initiative.
glowing
Jun 2012
#240
They already want to do this, it's called Social Security privatization
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#264
You mean... the OP, or the Insurance industry briarpatching the American public?
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#263
So you're calling out a DUer as a malicious intruder, for opposing Romneycare?
Leopolds Ghost
Jul 2012
#333
Yes there is no stopping them from raising premiums as high as they want, which is the fatal flaw.
alarimer
Jun 2012
#266
Excuse me, but I never said I oppose ALL OF THE ACA, so please re-read what I said.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#274
Fuck single payer - I support a full British/Scandanavian style National Health Service socialized
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2012
#273
A mass exit off of this gravy train??? not likely even with provisions in bill
lunasun
Jun 2012
#310
No, when they resume hiking rates by the max of what, 10% every year? This'll be what they do
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#314