Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:45 AM

Zalatix (8,994 posts)

Every American citizen is now required to help make insurance corporations richer. Enjoy!

Last edited Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:41 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Oh and that whole single payer system we wanted? You'll be moving to another country if you want to see that.

Edited to add: the ACA is not the problem. The individual mandate is the problem. Let's run the real world numbers. If you are earning $28,000 a year, this is how the Individual Mandate impacts your existing budget:

Someone earning $28,000 a year (as is the case with some DUers) just took a $2,189 additional annual hit to their already overburdened budget.

$2,189 a year is a lot of food to buy.

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Every American citizen is now required to help make insurance corporations richer. Enjoy! (Original post)	Zalatix	Jun 2012	OP
You will eat your words as we continue to improve healthcare to all.	lonestarnot	Jun 2012	#1
I sure hope so. But I doubt it. I most certainly will die of old age before it happens.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#3
I hope not.	Schema Thing	Jun 2012	#15
Health insurance is not health care.	enlightenment	Jul 2012	#326
Not to be rude, but ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2012	#68
Not only that, millions would be uninsured and health insurance would be more expensive	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#275
You would be perfectly justified if you actually were rude. nt	pinboy3niner	Jun 2012	#301
This is better than not having it.You will not die with lack of coverage even if you have a preexist	The Wielding Truth	Jun 2012	#138
Instead you will die because the crappy bronze coverage (all that you can afford)	eridani	Jun 2012	#223
Actually, this is not necessarially true and I think you know it. nt	nanabugg	Jun 2012	#139
I would bet you money I'm right on this.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#148
I completely agree with nana!!	hue	Jun 2012	#162
Perhaps you will be able to die of old age....	chknltl	Jun 2012	#208
Actually, this will eat into their profits.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#219
Most Americans will see positive changes	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#8
You mean Romneycare. Bye DU n/t	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#17
Bye...nt	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#31
If I were to leave DU in the mood I am in right now	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#156
The ACA WAS, IS and ALWAYS WILL BE a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN IDEA	bighart	Jun 2012	#191
Makes perfect sense. That's why all of them voted against it	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#276
Well let's see.........	bighart	Jun 2012	#285
If McCain had won and proposed exactly the same bill	Lydia Leftcoast	Jun 2012	#288
That's a big "If"	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#309
So your response to the exerpts I posted above is that they thought of it	bighart	Jul 2012	#322
u sound like a faux noose watcher!! thats a nice way of calling u an arse!	NavyDavy	Jul 2012	#327
If I were to return the favor	Major Nikon	Jul 2012	#328
bye. don't write.	dionysus	Jun 2012	#231
dionysus... SidDithers...	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#242
No, most won't	zipplewrath	Jun 2012	#117
That was the intention of the bill, according to Washington Monthly in 06-07	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#154
And the POTUS	zipplewrath	Jun 2012	#175
Remember when people here said they would not forget how our leaders folded on health care reform?	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#192
Third way	zipplewrath	Jun 2012	#194
Well we did shift the costs of care off of the government and high income earners..	girl gone mad	Jun 2012	#210
Very true. The 85% of Americans who do not get expensivly sick will benefit	eridani	Jun 2012	#224
Exactly ... remember what they said in SiCKO:	theaocp	Jun 2012	#225
Yes, 60% increase in premiums over 5 years	kenny blankenship	Jun 2012	#315
when?	CleanLucre	Jun 2012	#24
Not in this lifetime.	WinkyDink	Jun 2012	#51
Obamacare can still serve as the foundation for that, although it will take	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#2
It amazes me how people can jump to the worst possible conclusion	Drale	Jun 2012	#5
I understand why people are pessimistic, but the people who are more optimistic,	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#48
Especially when they are, like Obama, President of the United States?	WinkyDink	Jun 2012	#56
He wouldn't be President if he weren't optimistic.	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#63
An optimistic person would not be drumming up deficit hysteria..	girl gone mad	Jun 2012	#211
Exactly	treestar	Jun 2012	#78
No, it's called having been around the block more than a few decades.	WinkyDink	Jun 2012	#53
It's the liberal way.	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2012	#81
Whatever happened to the Liberals who rolled up their sleeves, and said, "OK, let's get to work now!"	Ikonoklast	Jun 2012	#169
Like the repugs - always "we can't possibly get this to work"	bhikkhu	Jun 2012	#95
how's that NAFTA renegotiation working out for you?	frylock	Jun 2012	#188
x2	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#206
Until then, middle class workers with pre-existing conditions will pay thousands extra per month	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#9
Those with pre-existing conditions cannot be charged extra. Where do your information?	progree	Jun 2012	#30
They get charged extra when the insurance companies jack the rates for everyone	eridani	Jun 2012	#267
What is MLR and where do you get your figure that MLR was 95% in the 90s? and what is it now?	progree	Jul 2012	#325
They are not being charged extra	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#34
Don't confuse me with the facts	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#57
Sorry but	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#71
...	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#90
Wrong. Premiums will only rise with age and income, not with preexisting conditions.	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#55
"Premiums will only rise with age"---and this is supposed to be good?	WinkyDink	Jun 2012	#61
LOL, nailed it.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#76
There are only a few broad age categories and the difference in cost	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#80
An extra 8% blow to a budget that's often 110% spoken for.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#84
There will also be an expansion of Medicaid and substantial premium subsidies	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#89
How does that help middle class workers	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#104
I've heard that health insurance can only be a certain % of income now.	raouldukelives	Jun 2012	#110
The Medicaid expansion is now a state option.	Gormy Cuss	Jun 2012	#181
and income	treestar	Jun 2012	#82
Agree 100%.	ChazII	Jun 2012	#98
It won't go up simply because of income, but people with lower incomes	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#216
"It only affects THOSE people who don't have insurance. It doesn't affect MOST of us"	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#150
I think most here do not understand microeconomics or macroeconomics.	girl gone mad	Jun 2012	#212
And if you don't like the coverage, you opt out, pay your tax and you're covered	Fawke Em	Jun 2012	#116
More options for consumer = huge win	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#123
I assume you don't plan on trying that, because It's NOT how it works	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#152
You just mentioned the loophole.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#207
I can tell you one thing... the jumping and cheering for "individual responsibility" for health care	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#248
Do you like making up your own facts?	LiberalFighter	Jun 2012	#88
You forgot to mention "they will just pay the EXTRA TAX" on top of what they pay now.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#107
They are not going to pay a tax if they have health insurance.	LiberalFighter	Jun 2012	#142
Its not a choice, its an immoral, mercantilist fine on the working poor which gov't is calling a tax	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#159
The very poor are exempt from the tax.	LiberalFighter	Jun 2012	#183
So what is the point of the tax / fine?	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#193
questions	CleanLucre	Jun 2012	#28
SS didn't even cover half the workers when it was first passed	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#277
I support the decision but I never understood why health	chelsea0011	Jun 2012	#4
They opposed it because it effectively introduces the federal government as a competitor	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#10
It's a matter of perspective.	earthside	Jun 2012	#13
"However, just watch what happens now that this law is 'good to go'."	Occulus	Jun 2012	#108
They have to accept those with pre-existing conditions	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#38
Maybe this part?	LiberalFighter	Jun 2012	#96
Actually, the ACA isn't the windfall ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2012	#105
No they aren't. They can pay the tax (and yes I can now call it a tax), which doesn't go to...	phleshdef	Jun 2012	#6
And that's the key point	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2012	#12
Now that it is a tax	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#16
Horray, more money for drones.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#21
Drones don't cost as much as an aircraft carrier	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#43
Hmmm	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2012	#49
"Now that it is a tax" -- nothing has changed, it is a penalty levied on the working poor	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#189
WHAT IS THIS "THEY" PEOPLE ON DU KEEP SPEAKING OF	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#22
FUCK ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DENY ME HEALTHCARE	MattBaggins	Jun 2012	#58
I'm very sorry. But your situation does not comprise the part I oppose.	WinkyDink	Jun 2012	#65
Scalia and Alito agree with you.	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#87
No offense but that's appeal by association	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#141
Amen.	treestar	Jun 2012	#74
MattBaggins this ruling must	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#91
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE ME LOSE MY CHANCE AT INSURANCE as well	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#125
Chances are, your health insurer wants to deny you health care.	girl gone mad	Jun 2012	#235
Excuse me, but I'm going to make this PERFECTLY CLEAR to you.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#252
I didn't mean to offend MattBaggins.	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#262
Ah, good reads, thanks for the information!	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#272
YOU ARE SIDING WITH THE KOCH BROS, SCALIA AND ALITO, CORPORATE REPUBLICANs	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#77
Agreed	LiberalFighter	Jun 2012	#106
The fight is not over!	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#113
They did all that because they are radical Ayn Rand corporate fascists, and HCR is mercantilist.	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#126
People that don't want to buy health insurance. Reading comprehension is your friend.	phleshdef	Jun 2012	#119
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#143
"You are a deadbeat that doesn't want to buy insurance."	phleshdef	Jun 2012	#147
People keep referring to this "they" as if to suggest they aren't here on DU, including me and Matt	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#151
I'm pretty sure the working poor, at least for the most part, qualify to be exempt from the mandate.	phleshdef	Jun 2012	#170
you are not exempt if you make more than $9000 a year $19000 for a family (roughly)	Dragonfli	Jun 2012	#179
Dragonfli, you are another person on DU at present who is currently uninsured	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#243
I can offer you the perspective of one surrounded by people that just can't afford it.	Dragonfli	Jun 2012	#259
I am unemployed, but I am not as bad off	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#261
Last time I was offered health insurance I couldn't afford it.	BuelahWitch	Jun 2012	#318
Hey, we jail homeless people in the winter for humanitarian reasons	Leopolds Ghost	Jul 2012	#335
I don't understand why it's only 15 million people because 133% poverty is closer to 50 million.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#249
A Health savings account won't work as I have less coming in than going out	Dragonfli	Jun 2012	#258
Thank you, you have explained what many people don't seem to want to acknowledge.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#278
The tax/fine is an uneconomic incentive, though	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#196
... "won't go to insurance companies" ...	Myrina	Jun 2012	#64
Cough has nothing to do with anything concerning the ACA cough cough	phleshdef	Jun 2012	#121
This is my feeling too...	jimlup	Jun 2012	#7
Sigh. Another "victory" for the President.	Laelth	Jun 2012	#11
Explain to me why Koch Bros spent MILLIONS to destroy Obamacare	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#52
I suspect the Koch brothers don't give a rip about the ACA.	Laelth	Jun 2012	#85
So it is just a head fake?	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#120
Anything to destroy Obama.	Laelth	Jun 2012	#140
+1 n/t	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#145
Actually,	ProSense	Jun 2012	#14
Isn't there a limit on profit percentages, too?	randome	Jun 2012	#19
I believe you are right....	CherokeeDem	Jun 2012	#69
+1 million	treestar	Jun 2012	#72
Section 2718	bhikkhu	Jun 2012	#86
Yes, 80 percent of what they take in has to be spent on healthcare	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#101
It's better than that ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2012	#124
So 85 percent for overhead. Excellent	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#127
Now for some real world application ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2012	#174
But if your employer doesn't insure you, you're royally jones'd.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#20
Health insurance corporation lobbyists ...	earthside	Jun 2012	#26
I wish I could bookmark your post.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#35
Nonsense. n/t	ProSense	Jun 2012	#27
Naïve. n/t	earthside	Jun 2012	#29
Spiteful! n/t	ProSense	Jun 2012	#33
Notice ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2012	#128
There's no supposition about it	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#190
Yes ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2012	#197
There is a divide on this issue between those directly affected and those who will merely see their	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#200
There ALWAYS is, on Every issue ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2012	#209
You got it reverse, you're saying, if it hurts low income uninsured, but helps middle class	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#217
Premiums in Mass went down at the same time every other state went up	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#279
Wait until this mandatory provision kicks in. The (green) blood will flow.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#40
Actually	CleanLucre	Jun 2012	#37
Note that today's decision allows states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion...	PoliticAverse	Jun 2012	#50
Actually capping operating expenses and profits to 15% - 20% (excluding the hundreds of exemptions	Egalitarian Thug	Jun 2012	#164
Scalia, Alito and Thomas won Kennedy over to your side. They thought they had the mandate defeated,	pampango	Jun 2012	#18
Roberts was paid off by the Insurance Industry, he was always a Business Hack	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#23
Except insurance cos spent millions to defeat Obamacare	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#41
Do you have proof of any kind?	treestar	Jun 2012	#83
I am sure a link will show up from a wingnut conspiracy website	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#122
Washington Monthly	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#146
Yep, with all the needed tenuous connections	treestar	Jun 2012	#149
Even "Single payer" would be run and managed by the insurance companies.....so I'm not sure I get	cbdo2007	Jun 2012	#25
my medicare payments are processed by insurance companies.....	madrchsod	Jun 2012	#232
I work for a health insurance company and a lot of our business is Medicare and Medicaid....	cbdo2007	Jun 2012	#250
If not them, the health care providers (emergency room owners)	liberal N proud	Jun 2012	#32
This will make the system more	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#46
No one is required to give one cent to insurance companies	Freddie Stubbs	Jun 2012	#36
oh	CleanLucre	Jun 2012	#39
+100	Myrina	Jun 2012	#73
Not a scam. Just the facts	Freddie Stubbs	Jul 2012	#338
We'll see how it plays out.	CleanLucre	Jul 2012	#339
Just like nobody was stopped from voting. Just pay a tax! nt	Romulox	Jun 2012	#132
If there were no constitutional provision against a poll tax we'd be having arguments about it on DU	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#153
Yup, this law is going to bite a lot of Americans on the ass.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#229
Can't say I'm dancing for joy for that reason	deutsey	Jun 2012	#42
Please, you sound like the left's version of the Tea Party.	RBInMaine	Jun 2012	#44
Yes, because I oppose RomneyCare on Steroids, I'm a Tea Partier. Gotcha.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#54
The LEFT'S version is what the poster said	treestar	Jun 2012	#70
"The left's version of the tea party" = ridiculous contradiction in terms.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#75
It is a perfectly sensible analogy.	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#103
Yes, it's sensible if you're living in a universe where 1+1=3	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#111
It's more like this	treestar	Jun 2012	#161
Sorry, but Leftists aren't extremists... unless you define accepting reality as extreme.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#165
When did it become Leftist, much less Right wing, to oppose Stamp-Act style mercantilism	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#168
STAMP ACT!!! Damn, I totally forgot about that. Thank you, +1000!	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#180
Left and right are relative terms	treestar	Jun 2012	#178
"Left and right are relative terms", but one is based on reality and one is not.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#182
They vote	treestar	Jun 2012	#184
Sensible	treestar	Jun 2012	#163
The poster meant, clearly, the extreme	treestar	Jun 2012	#160
Romney had very little to do with "Romneycare"	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#280
Don't you dare blame the left -	TBF	Jun 2012	#186
I'm not selling the abolishment of the whole ACA. Just the individual mandate.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#283
None of us like privatization -	TBF	Jun 2012	#286
Is that the new talking point out of Democratic Party headquarters?	Lydia Leftcoast	Jun 2012	#289
My 16 year old Niece, cancer surviver, no longer has a "pre-existing condition" keeping her	JoePhilly	Jun 2012	#45
Millions of people are in this position	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#144
I know her life will be dramatically better ...	JoePhilly	Jun 2012	#199
This could have been done while putting the insurance companies on a much tighter leash	Lydia Leftcoast	Jun 2012	#290
Was never going to happen with the	JoePhilly	Jun 2012	#297
Obama was able to take the Progressives to the woodshed to get them to support the bill	Lydia Leftcoast	Jun 2012	#299
Thank you! What we needed was restrictions	Puzzledtraveller	Jun 2012	#300
I'll spot you all of the blue dogs, all you as President have to do is flip Lieberman.	JoePhilly	Jul 2012	#324
The 60 vote rule is artificial and unnecessary, and you know it	Lydia Leftcoast	Jul 2012	#329
Non-responsive reply.	JoePhilly	Jul 2012	#340
If the Dems take the Senate, they should get rid of the fake filibuster	Lydia Leftcoast	Jul 2012	#341
you can avoid making insurance corporations richer by simply paying your taxes.	unblock	Jun 2012	#47
Exactly! And I can't believe people don't SEE it!!!	Myrina	Jun 2012	#59
I know, right?!? How dare you be forced to insure your employees!	Drunken Irishman	Jun 2012	#92
Who says you have to provide health care?	LiberalFighter	Jun 2012	#114
More RW Talking Points!! YAYY!!!	Son of Gob	Jun 2012	#238
This post shows that you do not know what provisions for small employers are in the ACA.	Ikonoklast	Jun 2012	#254
Rightwing NFIB lies and propaganda.	geek tragedy	Jun 2012	#271
lolz Hop aboard Bunky!	JNelson6563	Jun 2012	#287
*** OR PAY A 100usd "FINE"? I'LL PAY THE FINE****	uponit7771	Jun 2012	#60
In 2016 and thereafter the penalty is $695 or 2.5% of income, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, nt	progree	Jul 2012	#330
Actually, millions of American citizens will now live due to having healthcare.	DCBob	Jun 2012	#62
Your concern on this matter is noted.	Robb	Jun 2012	#66
+1	mac56	Jun 2012	#97
Ha ha	MichaelMcGuire	Jun 2012	#292
I see it as a first step	Bettie	Jun 2012	#67
I have already benefitted from the ACA... no co-pay on GYN tests that found a condition	Windy	Jun 2012	#79
Someone's always compelled to pee in the punchbowl.	mac56	Jun 2012	#93
Do you currently have health insurance coverage?	NNN0LHI	Jun 2012	#94
I pay for my own, being self-employed. I pay for my workers' insurance, too.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#135
Not for long though	Capt. Obvious	Jun 2012	#99
Welcome to NeoAmerica!	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#100
The fact that Scalia is having a meltdown and that insurance cos spent MILLIONS	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#112
40 million uninsured people, will be covered. Those with pre-existing conditions will be covered	still_one	Jun 2012	#102
Public School District's Self-Insured was far, far	HockeyMom	Jun 2012	#109
"Unless you sign up for COBRA, your Pre-Existing	HockeyMom	Jun 2012	#155
I hear you.	Hell Hath No Fury	Jun 2012	#115
F.T.W.	BOG PERSON	Jun 2012	#118
and those companies are regulated like a utility, limited rate of profit and new regulated business	CreekDog	Jun 2012	#129
If we're FORCED to buy, they should be NOT-FOR-PROFIT. Capitalism is based on consumer choice. nt	Romulox	Jun 2012	#130
I agree, but that's not a reason to throw Obamacare out	CreekDog	Jun 2012	#133
It's the Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan. It shouldn't have been passed	Romulox	Jun 2012	#136
do you want Obamacare gone or not? do you have health insurance now?	CreekDog	Jun 2012	#173
Then push your state to implement non-profit insurance?	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#214
Citizen's United means corps. can spend UNLIMITED money to get politicians to make us by things.	Romulox	Jun 2012	#131
Look, I would have preferred a single-payer system because	Swede Atlanta	Jun 2012	#134
So would I	HockeyMom	Jun 2012	#157
Have him email me	laundry_queen	Jun 2012	#239
Romney just announced he will repeal Obamacare.	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#137
and replace it with Romneycare	KurtNYC	Jun 2012	#171
What was the difference?	leftstreet	Jun 2012	#185
I miss the unrec so much	Logical	Jun 2012	#158
Looks like the vast majority of people still on DU support mandatory private health care	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#166
they consider it a win for the D's even though it was hatched by the R's ..a political compromise	xiamiam	Jun 2012	#177
I don't know what I'll do any more	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#198
I'm positive I'll have to move to another country either way if I want Single Payer.	HughBeaumont	Jun 2012	#167
No, you are wrong again	TBF	Jun 2012	#172
I miss unrec {sigh}. n/t	R. P. McMurphy	Jun 2012	#176
This does worry me...	Tommykun	Jun 2012	#187
Could prove to be a pyrrhic victory	Broderick	Jun 2012	#195
You are wrong. Profits are limited under the ACA. n/t	Bolo Boffin	Jun 2012	#201
that makes sense to me, but, stock went down on insurance. insurance fought it.	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#202
this is the very beginning of universal healthcare. it will change and go through many phases.	spanone	Jun 2012	#203
As opposed to the prior system, where...?	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#204
Private insurance will continue to do what insuricare does best.	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#220
If you want to be intellectually honest, make your argument with figures and data.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#205
You can thank Bush for the regressive Health Savings Account and don't have to pay a dime.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#213
It's a possibility	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#218
No liberals should support putting their money in an HSA.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#222
I intend to exercise	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#245
Oh, Ron Paul et al would effectively mandate this crap.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#246
Now that is what I call telling the truth.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#281
Single payer wasn't going to be enacted if the ACA was ruled unconstitutional	mythology	Jun 2012	#215
It took nearly 15 years to get another stab at health care reform	salin	Jun 2012	#221
And now I don't have to pay for some visiting the ER for a runny nose.	liberal N proud	Jun 2012	#226
Sucks to be you. I'm celebrating the benefits	EmeraldCityGrl	Jun 2012	#227
This one's a little better.	Robb	Jun 2012	#228
Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah.	Downtown Hound	Jun 2012	#230
And if I don't?	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#236
Leprechauns will come into your bed and take you away. n/t	Downtown Hound	Jun 2012	#237
Yeah, I thought so.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#241
LOL. Good for you.	Downtown Hound	Jun 2012	#255
You define disagreeing with you as whining? Really?	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#257
LOL. Bullying? Now that's funny.	Downtown Hound	Jun 2012	#294
Bullying? No. Attempting to bully in a laughably pathetic way? Yup.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#295
Really? Because your OP is just that:	Downtown Hound	Jun 2012	#296
Yup, your post shows a major reading problem. And ignorant rage, too.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#298
gee...i`m so glad i`m on medicare...	madrchsod	Jun 2012	#233
Splitter...	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#247
The vast majority of people did that anyway	Hippo_Tron	Jun 2012	#234
Actually, you are wrong... VT has already passed a single-payer health care initiative.	glowing	Jun 2012	#240
Insurance corporations will also want states to opt in	loyalsister	Jun 2012	#244
And for good measure...	meaculpa2011	Jun 2012	#251
Possible upcoming scenario:	Southerner	Jun 2012	#253
They already want to do this, it's called Social Security privatization	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#264
They have plans for cuts as well, this straight from the third way site:	Dragonfli	Jun 2012	#265
The Democratic Party leadership. n/t	rudycantfail	Jun 2012	#269
I work in medicaid, there is talks in my state to hand some	Puzzledtraveller	Jun 2012	#302
and private,most likely, means for profit with different priorities	lunasun	Jun 2012	#311
+1	Leopolds Ghost	Jul 2012	#336
A wonderful example of PR Industry trolling	devilgrrl	Jun 2012	#256
You mean... the OP, or the Insurance industry briarpatching the American public?	Leopolds Ghost	Jun 2012	#263
the op.	devilgrrl	Jun 2012	#268
So you're calling out a DUer as a malicious intruder, for opposing Romneycare?	Leopolds Ghost	Jul 2012	#333
It's 100% true. So it's working out fine.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#282
No, it's exaggeration, not "100% true"	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2012	#284
Why is everyone on DU so freaking buggy extreme?	YellowRubberDuckie	Jun 2012	#260
Yes there is no stopping them from raising premiums as high as they want, which is the fatal flaw.	alarimer	Jun 2012	#266
Go cry in your beer with Nino Scalia and Thomas. Those of us	geek tragedy	Jun 2012	#270
Excuse me, but I never said I oppose ALL OF THE ACA, so please re-read what I said.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#274
It would have been better had you made that clearer	TBF	Jun 2012	#308
Perhaps.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#312
Fuck single payer - I support a full British/Scandanavian style National Health Service socialized	Douglas Carpenter	Jun 2012	#273
It would have to be stealth	Lydia Leftcoast	Jun 2012	#291
We may be pleasantly surprised however -	TBF	Jul 2012	#323
I actually like the capping executive salaries that is written in to it	tjwash	Jun 2012	#293
A mass exit off of this gravy train??? not likely even with provisions in bill	lunasun	Jun 2012	#310
I like that part, too. Let those greedy CEOs leave if they want to.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#321
"is now required to help make insurance corporations richer."	PoliticAverse	Jun 2012	#303
And help other Americans obtain healthcare.	elleng	Jun 2012	#304
I	bluestateguy	Jun 2012	#305
No, I'll be staying in Vermont where single payer will be enacted.	cali	Jun 2012	#306
As someone who was not born in this country...	Sarah Ibarruri	Jun 2012	#307
How?	EC	Jun 2012	#313
No, when they resume hiking rates by the max of what, 10% every year? This'll be what they do	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#314
We'll just have to keep the Senate	EC	Jun 2012	#316
I hear that.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#319
I also heard you can not exempt for religious reasons if over 10K	lunasun	Jun 2012	#317
I can't imagine thats true	Leopolds Ghost	Jul 2012	#334
Heard this weekend there will be a religious exemption if you are in the " taxable "bracket 4 a fine	lunasun	Jul 2012	#337
WRONG! They are required to send out rebates if the Medical Loss Ratio	NashvilleLefty	Jul 2012	#320
Single Payer System would have been preferable. nt	AJTheMan	Jul 2012	#331
Bump, to add real world calculations.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#332
Help!	wisdomm11	Jul 2012	#342

Response to Zalatix (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:46 AM

lonestarnot (71,133 posts)

Every American citizen is now required to help make insurance corporations richer. Enjoy!

1. You will eat your words as we continue to improve healthcare to all.

3. I sure hope so. But I doubt it. I most certainly will die of old age before it happens.

15. I hope not.

326. Health insurance is not health care.

68. Not to be rude, but ...

275. Not only that, millions would be uninsured and health insurance would be more expensive

301. You would be perfectly justified if you actually were rude. nt

138. This is better than not having it.You will not die with lack of coverage even if you have a preexist

223. Instead you will die because the crappy bronze coverage (all that you can afford)

139. Actually, this is not necessarially true and I think you know it. nt

148. I would bet you money I'm right on this.

162. I completely agree with nana!!

208. Perhaps you will be able to die of old age....

219. Actually, this will eat into their profits.

8. Most Americans will see positive changes

17. You mean Romneycare. Bye DU n/t

31. Bye...nt

156. If I were to leave DU in the mood I am in right now

191. The ACA WAS, IS and ALWAYS WILL BE a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN IDEA

276. Makes perfect sense. That's why all of them voted against it

285. Well let's see.........

288. If McCain had won and proposed *exactly the same bill*

309. That's a big "If"

322. So your response to the exerpts I posted above is that they thought of it

327. u sound like a faux noose watcher!! thats a nice way of calling u an arse!

328. If I were to return the favor

231. bye. don't write.

242. dionysus... SidDithers...

117. No, most won't

154. That was the intention of the bill, according to Washington Monthly in 06-07

175. And the POTUS

192. Remember when people here said they would not forget how our leaders folded on health care reform?

194. Third way

210. Well we did shift the costs of care off of the government and high income earners..

224. Very true. The 85% of Americans who do not get expensivly sick will benefit

225. Exactly ... remember what they said in SiCKO:

315. Yes, 60% increase in premiums over 5 years

24. when?

51. Not in this lifetime.

2. Obamacare can still serve as the foundation for that, although it will take

5. It amazes me how people can jump to the worst possible conclusion

48. I understand why people are pessimistic, but the people who are more optimistic,

56. Especially when they are, like Obama, President of the United States?

63. He wouldn't be President if he weren't optimistic.

211. An optimistic person would not be drumming up deficit hysteria..

78. Exactly

53. No, it's called having been around the block more than a few decades.

81. It's the liberal way.

169. Whatever happened to the Liberals who rolled up their sleeves, and said, "OK, let's get to work now!"

95. Like the repugs - always "we can't possibly get this to work"

188. how's that NAFTA renegotiation working out for you?

206. x2

9. Until then, middle class workers with pre-existing conditions will pay thousands extra per month

30. Those with pre-existing conditions cannot be charged extra. Where do your information?

267. They get charged extra when the insurance companies jack the rates for everyone

325. What is MLR and where do you get your figure that MLR was 95% in the 90s? and what is it now?

34. They are not being charged extra

57. Don't confuse me with the facts

71. Sorry but

90. ...

55. Wrong. Premiums will only rise with age and income, not with preexisting conditions.

61. "Premiums will only rise with age"---and this is supposed to be good?

76. LOL, nailed it.

80. There are only a few broad age categories and the difference in cost

84. An extra 8% blow to a budget that's often 110% spoken for.

89. There will also be an expansion of Medicaid and substantial premium subsidies

104. How does that help middle class workers

110. I've heard that health insurance can only be a certain % of income now.

181. The Medicaid expansion is now a state option.

82. and income

98. Agree 100%.

216. It won't go up simply because of income, but people with lower incomes

150. "It only affects THOSE people who don't have insurance. It doesn't affect MOST of us"

212. I think most here do not understand microeconomics or macroeconomics.

116. And if you don't like the coverage, you opt out, pay your tax and you're covered

123. More options for consumer = huge win

152. I assume you don't plan on trying that, because It's NOT how it works

207. You just mentioned the loophole.

248. I can tell you one thing... the jumping and cheering for "individual responsibility" for health care

288. If McCain had won and proposed exactly the same bill