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Zalatix

(8,994 posts) Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:45 AM Jun 2012

Every American citizen is now required to help make insurance corporations richer. Enjoy! [View all]

Last edited Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:41 AM - Edit history (1)

Oh and that whole single payer system we wanted? You'll be moving to another country if you want to see that.

Edited to add: the ACA is not the problem. The individual mandate is the problem. Let's run the real world numbers. If you are earning $28,000 a year, this is how the Individual Mandate impacts your existing budget:

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Someone earning $28,000 a year (as is the case with some DUers) just took a $2,189 additional annual hit to their already overburdened budget.

$2,189 a year is a lot of food to buy.

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Every American citizen is now required to help make insurance corporations richer. Enjoy! [View all] Zalatix Jun 2012 OP

You will eat your words as we continue to improve healthcare to all. lonestarnot Jun 2012 #1

I sure hope so. But I doubt it. I most certainly will die of old age before it happens. Zalatix Jun 2012 #3

I hope not. Schema Thing Jun 2012 #15

Health insurance is not health care. enlightenment Jul 2012 #326

Not to be rude, but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #68

Not only that, millions would be uninsured and health insurance would be more expensive Major Nikon Jun 2012 #275

You would be perfectly justified if you actually were rude. nt pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #301

This is better than not having it.You will not die with lack of coverage even if you have a preexist The Wielding Truth Jun 2012 #138

Instead you will die because the crappy bronze coverage (all that you can afford) eridani Jun 2012 #223

Actually, this is not necessarially true and I think you know it. nt nanabugg Jun 2012 #139

I would bet you money I'm right on this. Zalatix Jun 2012 #148

I completely agree with nana!! hue Jun 2012 #162

Perhaps you will be able to die of old age.... chknltl Jun 2012 #208

Actually, this will eat into their profits. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #219

Most Americans will see positive changes Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #8

You mean Romneycare. Bye DU n/t Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #17

Bye...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #31

If I were to leave DU in the mood I am in right now Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #156

The ACA WAS, IS and ALWAYS WILL BE a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN IDEA bighart Jun 2012 #191

Makes perfect sense. That's why all of them voted against it Major Nikon Jun 2012 #276

Well let's see......... bighart Jun 2012 #285

If McCain had won and proposed *exactly the same bill* Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #288

That's a big "If" Major Nikon Jun 2012 #309

So your response to the exerpts I posted above is that they thought of it bighart Jul 2012 #322

u sound like a faux noose watcher!! thats a nice way of calling u an arse! NavyDavy Jul 2012 #327

If I were to return the favor Major Nikon Jul 2012 #328

bye. don't write. dionysus Jun 2012 #231

dionysus... SidDithers... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #242

No, most won't zipplewrath Jun 2012 #117

That was the intention of the bill, according to Washington Monthly in 06-07 Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #154

And the POTUS zipplewrath Jun 2012 #175

Remember when people here said they would not forget how our leaders folded on health care reform? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #192

Third way zipplewrath Jun 2012 #194

Well we did shift the costs of care off of the government and high income earners.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #210

Very true. The 85% of Americans who do not get expensivly sick will benefit eridani Jun 2012 #224

Exactly ... remember what they said in SiCKO: theaocp Jun 2012 #225

Yes, 60% increase in premiums over 5 years kenny blankenship Jun 2012 #315

when? CleanLucre Jun 2012 #24

Not in this lifetime. WinkyDink Jun 2012 #51

Obamacare can still serve as the foundation for that, although it will take pnwmom Jun 2012 #2

It amazes me how people can jump to the worst possible conclusion Drale Jun 2012 #5

I understand why people are pessimistic, but the people who are more optimistic, pnwmom Jun 2012 #48

Especially when they are, like Obama, President of the United States? WinkyDink Jun 2012 #56

He wouldn't be President if he weren't optimistic. pnwmom Jun 2012 #63

An optimistic person would not be drumming up deficit hysteria.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #211

Exactly treestar Jun 2012 #78

No, it's called having been around the block more than a few decades. WinkyDink Jun 2012 #53

It's the liberal way. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #81

Whatever happened to the Liberals who rolled up their sleeves, and said, "OK, let's get to work now!" Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #169

Like the repugs - always "we can't possibly get this to work" bhikkhu Jun 2012 #95

how's that NAFTA renegotiation working out for you? frylock Jun 2012 #188

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #206

Until then, middle class workers with pre-existing conditions will pay thousands extra per month Zalatix Jun 2012 #9

Those with pre-existing conditions cannot be charged extra. Where do your information? progree Jun 2012 #30

They get charged extra when the insurance companies jack the rates for everyone eridani Jun 2012 #267

What is MLR and where do you get your figure that MLR was 95% in the 90s? and what is it now? progree Jul 2012 #325

They are not being charged extra Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #34

Don't confuse me with the facts emulatorloo Jun 2012 #57

Sorry but Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #71

... emulatorloo Jun 2012 #90

Wrong. Premiums will only rise with age and income, not with preexisting conditions. pnwmom Jun 2012 #55

"Premiums will only rise with age"---and this is supposed to be good? WinkyDink Jun 2012 #61

LOL, nailed it. Zalatix Jun 2012 #76

There are only a few broad age categories and the difference in cost pnwmom Jun 2012 #80

An extra 8% blow to a budget that's often 110% spoken for. Zalatix Jun 2012 #84

There will also be an expansion of Medicaid and substantial premium subsidies pnwmom Jun 2012 #89

How does that help middle class workers Zalatix Jun 2012 #104

I've heard that health insurance can only be a certain % of income now. raouldukelives Jun 2012 #110

The Medicaid expansion is now a state option. Gormy Cuss Jun 2012 #181

and income treestar Jun 2012 #82

Agree 100%. ChazII Jun 2012 #98

It won't go up simply because of income, but people with lower incomes pnwmom Jun 2012 #216

"It only affects THOSE people who don't have insurance. It doesn't affect MOST of us" Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #150

I think most here do not understand microeconomics or macroeconomics. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #212

And if you don't like the coverage, you opt out, pay your tax and you're covered Fawke Em Jun 2012 #116

More options for consumer = huge win Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #123

I assume you don't plan on trying that, because It's NOT how it works Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #152

You just mentioned the loophole. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #207

I can tell you one thing... the jumping and cheering for "individual responsibility" for health care Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #248

Do you like making up your own facts? LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #88

You forgot to mention "they will just pay the EXTRA TAX" on top of what they pay now. Zalatix Jun 2012 #107

They are not going to pay a tax if they have health insurance. LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #142

Its not a choice, its an immoral, mercantilist fine on the working poor which gov't is calling a tax Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #159

The very poor are exempt from the tax. LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #183

So what is the point of the tax / fine? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #193

questions CleanLucre Jun 2012 #28

SS didn't even cover half the workers when it was first passed Major Nikon Jun 2012 #277

I support the decision but I never understood why health chelsea0011 Jun 2012 #4

They opposed it because it effectively introduces the federal government as a competitor slackmaster Jun 2012 #10

It's a matter of perspective. earthside Jun 2012 #13

"However, just watch what happens now that this law is 'good to go'." Occulus Jun 2012 #108

They have to accept those with pre-existing conditions Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #38

Maybe this part? LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #96

Actually, the ACA isn't the windfall ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #105

No they aren't. They can pay the tax (and yes I can now call it a tax), which doesn't go to... phleshdef Jun 2012 #6

And that's the key point JustAnotherGen Jun 2012 #12

Now that it is a tax Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #16

Horray, more money for drones. Zalatix Jun 2012 #21

Drones don't cost as much as an aircraft carrier Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #43

Hmmm JustAnotherGen Jun 2012 #49

"Now that it is a tax" -- nothing has changed, it is a penalty levied on the working poor Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #189

WHAT IS THIS "THEY" PEOPLE ON DU KEEP SPEAKING OF Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #22

FUCK ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DENY ME HEALTHCARE MattBaggins Jun 2012 #58

I'm very sorry. But your situation does not comprise the part I oppose. WinkyDink Jun 2012 #65

Scalia and Alito agree with you. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #87

No offense but that's appeal by association Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #141

Amen. treestar Jun 2012 #74

MattBaggins this ruling must Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #91

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE ME LOSE MY CHANCE AT INSURANCE as well Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #125

Chances are, your health insurer wants to deny you health care. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #235

Excuse me, but I'm going to make this PERFECTLY CLEAR to you. Zalatix Jun 2012 #252

I didn't mean to offend MattBaggins. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #262

Ah, good reads, thanks for the information! Zalatix Jun 2012 #272

YOU ARE SIDING WITH THE KOCH BROS, SCALIA AND ALITO, CORPORATE REPUBLICANs emulatorloo Jun 2012 #77

Agreed LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #106

The fight is not over! Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #113

They did all that because they are radical Ayn Rand corporate fascists, and HCR is mercantilist. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #126

People that don't want to buy health insurance. Reading comprehension is your friend. phleshdef Jun 2012 #119

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #143

"You are a deadbeat that doesn't want to buy insurance." phleshdef Jun 2012 #147

People keep referring to this "they" as if to suggest they aren't here on DU, including me and Matt Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #151

I'm pretty sure the working poor, at least for the most part, qualify to be exempt from the mandate. phleshdef Jun 2012 #170

you are not exempt if you make more than $9000 a year $19000 for a family (roughly) Dragonfli Jun 2012 #179

Dragonfli, you are another person on DU at present who is currently uninsured Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #243

I can offer you the perspective of one surrounded by people that just can't afford it. Dragonfli Jun 2012 #259

I am unemployed, but I am not as bad off Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #261

Last time I was offered health insurance I couldn't afford it. BuelahWitch Jun 2012 #318

Hey, we jail homeless people in the winter for humanitarian reasons Leopolds Ghost Jul 2012 #335

I don't understand why it's only 15 million people because 133% poverty is closer to 50 million. joshcryer Jun 2012 #249

A Health savings account won't work as I have less coming in than going out Dragonfli Jun 2012 #258

Thank you, you have explained what many people don't seem to want to acknowledge. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #278

The tax/fine is an uneconomic incentive, though Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #196

... "won't go to insurance companies" ... Myrina Jun 2012 #64

Cough has nothing to do with anything concerning the ACA cough cough phleshdef Jun 2012 #121

This is my feeling too... jimlup Jun 2012 #7

Sigh. Another "victory" for the President. Laelth Jun 2012 #11

Explain to me why Koch Bros spent MILLIONS to destroy Obamacare emulatorloo Jun 2012 #52

I suspect the Koch brothers don't give a rip about the ACA. Laelth Jun 2012 #85

So it is just a head fake? emulatorloo Jun 2012 #120

Anything to destroy Obama. Laelth Jun 2012 #140

+1 n/t Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #145

Actually, ProSense Jun 2012 #14

Isn't there a limit on profit percentages, too? randome Jun 2012 #19

I believe you are right.... CherokeeDem Jun 2012 #69

+1 million treestar Jun 2012 #72

Section 2718 bhikkhu Jun 2012 #86

Yes, 80 percent of what they take in has to be spent on healthcare emulatorloo Jun 2012 #101

It's better than that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #124

So 85 percent for overhead. Excellent emulatorloo Jun 2012 #127

Now for some real world application ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #174

But if your employer doesn't insure you, you're royally jones'd. Zalatix Jun 2012 #20

Health insurance corporation lobbyists ... earthside Jun 2012 #26

I wish I could bookmark your post. Zalatix Jun 2012 #35

Nonsense. n/t ProSense Jun 2012 #27

Naïve. n/t earthside Jun 2012 #29

Spiteful! n/t ProSense Jun 2012 #33

Notice ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #128

There's no supposition about it Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #190

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #197

There is a divide on this issue between those directly affected and those who will merely see their Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #200

There ALWAYS is, on Every issue ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #209

You got it reverse, you're saying, if it hurts low income uninsured, but helps middle class Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #217

Premiums in Mass went down at the same time every other state went up Major Nikon Jun 2012 #279

Wait until this mandatory provision kicks in. The (green) blood will flow. Zalatix Jun 2012 #40

Actually CleanLucre Jun 2012 #37

Note that today's decision allows states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion... PoliticAverse Jun 2012 #50

Actually capping operating expenses and profits to 15% - 20% (excluding the hundreds of exemptions Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #164

Scalia, Alito and Thomas won Kennedy over to your side. They thought they had the mandate defeated, pampango Jun 2012 #18

Roberts was paid off by the Insurance Industry, he was always a Business Hack Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #23

Except insurance cos spent millions to defeat Obamacare emulatorloo Jun 2012 #41

Do you have proof of any kind? treestar Jun 2012 #83

I am sure a link will show up from a wingnut conspiracy website emulatorloo Jun 2012 #122

Washington Monthly Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #146

Yep, with all the needed tenuous connections treestar Jun 2012 #149

Even "Single payer" would be run and managed by the insurance companies.....so I'm not sure I get cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #25

my medicare payments are processed by insurance companies..... madrchsod Jun 2012 #232

I work for a health insurance company and a lot of our business is Medicare and Medicaid.... cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #250

If not them, the health care providers (emergency room owners) liberal N proud Jun 2012 #32

This will make the system more Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #46

No one is required to give one cent to insurance companies Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #36

oh CleanLucre Jun 2012 #39

+100 Myrina Jun 2012 #73

Not a scam. Just the facts Freddie Stubbs Jul 2012 #338

We'll see how it plays out. CleanLucre Jul 2012 #339

Just like nobody was stopped from voting. Just pay a tax! nt Romulox Jun 2012 #132

If there were no constitutional provision against a poll tax we'd be having arguments about it on DU Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #153

Yup, this law is going to bite a lot of Americans on the ass. Zalatix Jun 2012 #229

Can't say I'm dancing for joy for that reason deutsey Jun 2012 #42

Please, you sound like the left's version of the Tea Party. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #44

Yes, because I oppose RomneyCare on Steroids, I'm a Tea Partier. Gotcha. Zalatix Jun 2012 #54

The LEFT'S version is what the poster said treestar Jun 2012 #70

"The left's version of the tea party" = ridiculous contradiction in terms. Zalatix Jun 2012 #75

It is a perfectly sensible analogy. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #103

Yes, it's sensible if you're living in a universe where 1+1=3 Zalatix Jun 2012 #111

It's more like this treestar Jun 2012 #161

Sorry, but Leftists aren't extremists... unless you define accepting reality as extreme. Zalatix Jun 2012 #165

When did it become Leftist, much less Right wing, to oppose Stamp-Act style mercantilism Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #168

STAMP ACT!!! Damn, I totally forgot about that. Thank you, +1000! Zalatix Jun 2012 #180

Left and right are relative terms treestar Jun 2012 #178

"Left and right are relative terms", but one is based on reality and one is not. Zalatix Jun 2012 #182

They vote treestar Jun 2012 #184

Sensible treestar Jun 2012 #163

The poster meant, clearly, the extreme treestar Jun 2012 #160

Romney had very little to do with "Romneycare" Major Nikon Jun 2012 #280

Don't you dare blame the left - TBF Jun 2012 #186

I'm not selling the abolishment of the whole ACA. Just the individual mandate. Zalatix Jun 2012 #283

None of us like privatization - TBF Jun 2012 #286

Is that the new talking point out of Democratic Party headquarters? Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #289

My 16 year old Niece, cancer surviver, no longer has a "pre-existing condition" keeping her JoePhilly Jun 2012 #45

Millions of people are in this position Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #144

I know her life will be dramatically better ... JoePhilly Jun 2012 #199

This could have been done while putting the insurance companies on a much tighter leash Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #290

Was never going to happen with the JoePhilly Jun 2012 #297

Obama was able to take the Progressives to the woodshed to get them to support the bill Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #299

Thank you! What we needed was restrictions Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #300

I'll spot you all of the blue dogs, all you as President have to do is flip Lieberman. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #324

The 60 vote rule is artificial and unnecessary, and you know it Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #329

Non-responsive reply. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #340

If the Dems take the Senate, they should get rid of the fake filibuster Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #341

you can avoid making insurance corporations richer by simply paying your taxes. unblock Jun 2012 #47

Exactly! And I can't believe people don't SEE it!!! Myrina Jun 2012 #59

I know, right?!? How dare you be forced to insure your employees! Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #92

Who says you have to provide health care? LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #114

More RW Talking Points!! YAYY!!! Son of Gob Jun 2012 #238

This post shows that you do not know what provisions for small employers are in the ACA. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #254

Rightwing NFIB lies and propaganda. geek tragedy Jun 2012 #271

lolz Hop aboard Bunky! JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #287

***** OR PAY A 100usd "FINE"? I'LL PAY THE FINE****** uponit7771 Jun 2012 #60

In 2016 and thereafter the penalty is $695 or 2.5% of income, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, nt progree Jul 2012 #330

Actually, millions of American citizens will now live due to having healthcare. DCBob Jun 2012 #62

Your concern on this matter is noted. Robb Jun 2012 #66

+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #97

Ha ha MichaelMcGuire Jun 2012 #292

I see it as a first step Bettie Jun 2012 #67

I have already benefitted from the ACA... no co-pay on GYN tests that found a condition Windy Jun 2012 #79

Someone's always compelled to pee in the punchbowl. mac56 Jun 2012 #93

Do you currently have health insurance coverage? NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #94

I pay for my own, being self-employed. I pay for my workers' insurance, too. Zalatix Jun 2012 #135

Not for long though Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #99

Welcome to NeoAmerica! woo me with science Jun 2012 #100

The fact that Scalia is having a meltdown and that insurance cos spent MILLIONS emulatorloo Jun 2012 #112

40 million uninsured people, will be covered. Those with pre-existing conditions will be covered still_one Jun 2012 #102

Public School District's Self-Insured was far, far HockeyMom Jun 2012 #109

"Unless you sign up for COBRA, your Pre-Existing HockeyMom Jun 2012 #155

I hear you. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2012 #115

F.T.W. BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #118

and those companies are regulated like a utility, limited rate of profit and new regulated business CreekDog Jun 2012 #129

If we're FORCED to buy, they should be NOT-FOR-PROFIT. Capitalism is based on consumer choice. nt Romulox Jun 2012 #130

I agree, but that's not a reason to throw Obamacare out CreekDog Jun 2012 #133

It's the Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan. It shouldn't have been passed Romulox Jun 2012 #136

do you want Obamacare gone or not? do you have health insurance now? CreekDog Jun 2012 #173

Then push your state to implement non-profit insurance? joshcryer Jun 2012 #214

Citizen's United means corps. can spend UNLIMITED money to get politicians to make us by things. Romulox Jun 2012 #131

Look, I would have preferred a single-payer system because Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #134

So would I HockeyMom Jun 2012 #157

Have him email me laundry_queen Jun 2012 #239

Romney just announced he will repeal Obamacare. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #137

and replace it with Romneycare KurtNYC Jun 2012 #171

What was the difference? leftstreet Jun 2012 #185

I miss the unrec so much Logical Jun 2012 #158

Looks like the vast majority of people still on DU support mandatory private health care Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #166

they consider it a win for the D's even though it was hatched by the R's ..a political compromise xiamiam Jun 2012 #177

I don't know what I'll do any more Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #198

I'm positive I'll have to move to another country either way if I want Single Payer. HughBeaumont Jun 2012 #167

No, you are wrong again TBF Jun 2012 #172

I miss unrec {sigh}. n/t R. P. McMurphy Jun 2012 #176

This does worry me... Tommykun Jun 2012 #187

Could prove to be a pyrrhic victory Broderick Jun 2012 #195

You are wrong. Profits are limited under the ACA. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #201

that makes sense to me, but, stock went down on insurance. insurance fought it. seabeyond Jun 2012 #202

this is the very beginning of universal healthcare. it will change and go through many phases. spanone Jun 2012 #203

As opposed to the prior system, where...? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #204

Private insurance will continue to do what insuricare does best. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #220

If you want to be intellectually honest, make your argument with figures and data. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #205

You can thank Bush for the regressive Health Savings Account and don't have to pay a dime. joshcryer Jun 2012 #213

It's a possibility Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #218

No liberals should support putting their money in an HSA. joshcryer Jun 2012 #222

I intend to exercise Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #245

Oh, Ron Paul et al would effectively mandate this crap. joshcryer Jun 2012 #246

Now that is what I call telling the truth. Zalatix Jun 2012 #281

Single payer wasn't going to be enacted if the ACA was ruled unconstitutional mythology Jun 2012 #215

It took nearly 15 years to get another stab at health care reform salin Jun 2012 #221

And now I don't have to pay for some visiting the ER for a runny nose. liberal N proud Jun 2012 #226

Sucks to be you. I'm celebrating the benefits EmeraldCityGrl Jun 2012 #227

This one's a little better. Robb Jun 2012 #228

Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah. Downtown Hound Jun 2012 #230

And if I don't? Zalatix Jun 2012 #236

Leprechauns will come into your bed and take you away. n/t Downtown Hound Jun 2012 #237

Yeah, I thought so. Zalatix Jun 2012 #241

LOL. Good for you. Downtown Hound Jun 2012 #255

You define disagreeing with you as whining? Really? Zalatix Jun 2012 #257

LOL. Bullying? Now that's funny. Downtown Hound Jun 2012 #294

Bullying? No. Attempting to bully in a laughably pathetic way? Yup. Zalatix Jun 2012 #295

Really? Because your OP is just that: Downtown Hound Jun 2012 #296

Yup, your post shows a major reading problem. And ignorant rage, too. Zalatix Jun 2012 #298

gee...i`m so glad i`m on medicare... madrchsod Jun 2012 #233

Splitter... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #247

The vast majority of people did that anyway Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #234

Actually, you are wrong... VT has already passed a single-payer health care initiative. glowing Jun 2012 #240

Insurance corporations will also want states to opt in loyalsister Jun 2012 #244

And for good measure... meaculpa2011 Jun 2012 #251

Possible upcoming scenario: Southerner Jun 2012 #253

They already want to do this, it's called Social Security privatization Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #264

They have plans for cuts as well, this straight from the third way site: Dragonfli Jun 2012 #265

The Democratic Party leadership. n/t rudycantfail Jun 2012 #269

I work in medicaid, there is talks in my state to hand some Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #302

and private,most likely, means for profit with different priorities lunasun Jun 2012 #311

+1 Leopolds Ghost Jul 2012 #336

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2012 #256

You mean... the OP, or the Insurance industry briarpatching the American public? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #263

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2012 #268

So you're calling out a DUer as a malicious intruder, for opposing Romneycare? Leopolds Ghost Jul 2012 #333

It's 100% true. So it's working out fine. Zalatix Jun 2012 #282

No, it's exaggeration, not "100% true" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #284

Why is everyone on DU so freaking buggy extreme? YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #260

Yes there is no stopping them from raising premiums as high as they want, which is the fatal flaw. alarimer Jun 2012 #266

Go cry in your beer with Nino Scalia and Thomas. Those of us geek tragedy Jun 2012 #270

Excuse me, but I never said I oppose ALL OF THE ACA, so please re-read what I said. Zalatix Jun 2012 #274

It would have been better had you made that clearer TBF Jun 2012 #308

Perhaps. Zalatix Jun 2012 #312

Fuck single payer - I support a full British/Scandanavian style National Health Service socialized Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #273

It would have to be stealth Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #291

We may be pleasantly surprised however - TBF Jul 2012 #323

I actually like the capping executive salaries that is written in to it tjwash Jun 2012 #293

A mass exit off of this gravy train??? not likely even with provisions in bill lunasun Jun 2012 #310

I like that part, too. Let those greedy CEOs leave if they want to. Zalatix Jul 2012 #321

"is now required to help make insurance corporations richer." PoliticAverse Jun 2012 #303

And help other Americans obtain healthcare. elleng Jun 2012 #304

I bluestateguy Jun 2012 #305

No, I'll be staying in Vermont where single payer will be enacted. cali Jun 2012 #306

As someone who was not born in this country... Sarah Ibarruri Jun 2012 #307

How? EC Jun 2012 #313

No, when they resume hiking rates by the max of what, 10% every year? This'll be what they do Zalatix Jun 2012 #314

We'll just have to keep the Senate EC Jun 2012 #316

I hear that. Zalatix Jul 2012 #319

I also heard you can not exempt for religious reasons if over 10K lunasun Jun 2012 #317

I can't imagine thats true Leopolds Ghost Jul 2012 #334

Heard this weekend there will be a religious exemption if you are in the " taxable "bracket 4 a fine lunasun Jul 2012 #337

WRONG! They are required to send out rebates if the Medical Loss Ratio NashvilleLefty Jul 2012 #320

Single Payer System would have been preferable. nt AJTheMan Jul 2012 #331

Bump, to add real world calculations. Zalatix Jul 2012 #332

Help! wisdomm11 Jul 2012 #342