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BainsBane

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Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:51 PM Jun 2015

"A letter to my dismal allies on the US left" [View all]

Dear allies,
. . .

O rancid sector of the far left, please stop your grousing! Compared to you, Eeyore sounds like a Teletubby. If I gave you a pony, you would not only be furious that not everyone has a pony, but you would pick on the pony for not being radical enough until it wept big, sad, hot pony tears. Because what we're talking about here is not an analysis, a strategy, or a cosmology, but an attitude, and one that is poisoning us. Not just me, but you, us, and our possibilities.

Leftists explain things to me
The poison often emerges around electoral politics. Look, Barack Obama does bad things and I deplore them, though not with a lot of fuss, since they're hardly a surprise. He sometimes also does not-bad things, and I sometimes mention them in passing, and mentioning them does not negate the reality of the bad things. . .

One manifestation of this indiscriminate biliousness is the statement that gets aired every four years: that in presidential elections we are asked to choose the lesser of two evils. Now, this is not an analysis or an insight; it is a cliche, and a very tired one, and it often comes in the same package as the insistence that there is no difference between the candidates. You can reframe it, however, by saying: we get a choice, and not choosing at all can be tantamount in its consequences to choosing the greater of two evils. . .

Dismissiveness is a way of disengaging from both the facts on the ground and the obligations those facts bring to bear on your life. As Michael Eric Dyson recently put it, "What is not good are ideals and rhetorics that don't have the possibility of changing the condition that you analyse. Otherwise, you're engaging in a form of rhetorical narcissism and ideological self-preoccupation that has no consequence on the material conditions of actually existing poor people." . . .

There are really only two questions for activists: what do you want to achieve? And who do you want to be? And those two questions are deeply entwined. Every minute of every hour of every day you are making the world, just as you are making yourself, and you might as well do it with generosity and kindness and style.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/15/letter-dismal-allies-us-left?CMP=share_btn_fb
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...... daleanime Jun 2015 #1
Better to read the original article BainsBane Jun 2015 #2
bookmarked daleanime Jun 2015 #4
who the hell has time to read it all by anonymous Rebecca? wordpix Jul 2015 #207
She isn't annonymous BainsBane Jul 2015 #210
Huge K&R... SidDithers Jun 2015 #3
This applies pretty widely around here. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #5
So, in this nearly three year old piece... a la izquierda Jun 2015 #6
I didn't realize it was old BainsBane Jun 2015 #7
It certainly isn't any more helpful either. Nt a la izquierda Jun 2015 #12
You found this "more humorous than bitter"? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #84
I'm glad someone saw the irony. merrily Jun 2015 #87
"With generosity, kindness and style" gratuitous Jun 2015 #8
Her point is not that you shouldn't stand up for principle BainsBane Jun 2015 #11
But she neatly absolves herself of the opposite gratuitous Jun 2015 #16
That quote was from Michael Eric Dyson BainsBane Jun 2015 #20
Which she quoted with approval, and adopted as her own argument gratuitous Jun 2015 #21
Actually it's not about discussion BainsBane Jun 2015 #26
Gratuitous is right Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #42
Sensible woodchucks told the LGBT community to STFU in 2009. Prism Jun 2015 #9
Kind of like how people today BainsBane Jun 2015 #10
This author doesn't much like the Left Prism Jun 2015 #15
I'm not so sure about that. lovemydog Jun 2015 #78
Exactly. That kind of faulty logic is what the GOP uses to say that Democrats "hate America" nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #106
+1 merrily Jun 2015 #88
The author was talking about the "cartoonish" black and white thinking R B Garr Jun 2015 #107
Who told "women and people of color to shut the fuck up"? NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #95
Yeah, I haven't seen that here. It would have been hidden had someone actually said it. polly7 Jun 2015 #98
Hidden? You sure? I've seen people tell others to f**k off, and R B Garr Jun 2015 #104
Really! That's quite a story! But, where have you seen what she stated was said? nt. polly7 Jun 2015 #113
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #149
What does that have to do with the claim made here? polly7 Jun 2015 #150
What are you trying to do by denying that language is used here R B Garr Jun 2015 #151
I said that her claim can't be found here. polly7 Jun 2015 #152
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #153
My deceased son. polly7 Jun 2015 #154
Understanble after all the stalking and harrassment she got. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #156
Don't get drawn into this sick shit. You'll get a hide for it. nt. polly7 Jun 2015 #157
Maybe, but I don't like the bullying behavior in that thread. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #159
The bullying I can handle, it's knowing they'll resort to the lowest thing polly7 Jun 2015 #161
Yeah, I was thinking I might have noticed if somebody said that. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #121
It is apparently implied by typing "Go Bernie" lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #108
"A code that only the truly enlightened can see." NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #122
Oh, look! Another Loyalty Oath appeal! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #13
No, it is about enacting change BainsBane Jun 2015 #17
I like to vote for the candidates who best represent what I believe in. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #19
Whatever. How you vote is your business. BainsBane Jun 2015 #46
That's exactly what it is. Aerows Jul 2015 #212
Thank you for the post, oh (presumed non-dismal) ally on the left. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #14
And many on the left are NOT that way all. madfloridian Jun 2015 #65
I did qualify with the word many. But perhaps the word some would guillaumeb Jun 2015 #184
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #18
If you are third way, I am not your ally. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #22
Funny you should bring that up BainsBane Jun 2015 #23
Quoting moles probably does not help your argument. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #28
Perhaps you should tell that person she is a mole to her face BainsBane Jun 2015 #31
+1 n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #56
You have that completely backwards. ieoeja Jun 2015 #164
Dear Rebecca. This "rancid sector of the far left" member says I don't want to be your ally. Autumn Jun 2015 #24
Nicely written and I totally agree. a la izquierda Jun 2015 #44
^^^Brilliant! ^^^ RiverLover Jun 2015 #57
Wow. madfloridian Jun 2015 #82
Heh. Yes. nt F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #94
But why? Mnpaul Jun 2015 #96
co-signed. FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #123
+1 DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #163
Eeyup. Agree with every word, Autumn! nt hifiguy Jul 2015 #214
I miss the unrec button. Scuba Jun 2015 #25
K&R She was kinda all over the board but I agree in spirit. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #27
It's a good philosophy for life actually. BainsBane Jun 2015 #32
Agree with you and g above. Love and empathy get more done. Cynicism supports the status quo. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #36
"If we only leave the Third Wayers alone, they'll start helping us." MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #29
Where is that quote in the article? BainsBane Jun 2015 #33
Once again, Manny, you cut through the BS hifiguy Jun 2015 #35
You're giving the OP too much credit Prism Jun 2015 #39
And that is just Standard Operational Bullshit lately. nt hifiguy Jun 2015 #47
I wouldn't say that. MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #52
Yep, too true. n/t demmiblue Jun 2015 #129
Pompous and arrogant garbage. n/t sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #30
Good stuff. A DUer wrote something similar wyldwolf Jun 2015 #34
Europeans have a better grasp of their history. I remember one of our posters who detailed the Nazi freshwest Jun 2015 #38
Excellent piece. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #37
Excellent piece-o-shit whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #54
This is reminiscent of the prequel to the death of the Sixties. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #40
The author flails at strawmen Martin Eden Jun 2015 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #43
Rebecca Solnit. Love her. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #45
She uses the words "rancid" "radical" "dismal" to refer to the left and liberals. madfloridian Jun 2015 #48
I work in CA left-wing activist circles, as does she Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #60
It is like the Left's version of Anne Coulter. Hiraeth Jun 2015 #117
Mask...off. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #115
Yours? I agree. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #119
No. Yours. FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #124
Bless your heart. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #126
Jeebus...the long knives came out quick.....nt msanthrope Jun 2015 #180
Eh, I rate this at two and a half red stars. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #182
I think you just described the Eyore wing of the farthest Left perfectly...... msanthrope Jul 2015 #197
I was just noticing that the left's rhetoric has shifted away from "there is no difference" to... aikoaiko Jun 2015 #49
I see a lot of "there is no difference" BainsBane Jun 2015 #50
Another simpleminded tool blathers on about "leftists"... whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #53
She is a leftist activist BainsBane Jun 2015 #72
I read it and wish I hadn't n/t whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #103
Anyone who insults the left in this way is no ally of mine Bjorn Against Jun 2015 #55
Agreed. madfloridian Jun 2015 #64
The author is a leftist activist BainsBane Jun 2015 #69
A plea? F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #99
^ Recommended, I read the article, I agree 100% with your assessment^ Autumn Jun 2015 #102
Your post should be an OP BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #167
I will. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #189
Let me know when you do BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #190
What I believe in is not and has never been what the Democratic Party platform has been based on. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #191
I think you are saying what a lot of us feel BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #199
I have a feeling within 20 years or so you'll be seeing some new politics here, too. ;) F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #205
You smacked that one Aerows Jul 2015 #208
Thanks, Aerows. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #209
It is excellent Aerows Jul 2015 #213
Well her article is a nasty critique itself Bjorn Against Jun 2015 #100
Old but relevant JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #58
"generosity and kindness and style" -- these are qualities I've always thought betsuni Jun 2015 #59
Wow seems much of the party folks are dead serious about the "rancid" left. madfloridian Jun 2015 #61
You obviously missed the point entirely BainsBane Jun 2015 #68
I know who she is. I have read many of her works. That one was done in anger.... madfloridian Jun 2015 #73
No, it's about people who dismiss the results of activism BainsBane Jun 2015 #74
Most liberals I know work to make the "world a better place." madfloridian Jun 2015 #75
She isn't discussing liberals BainsBane Jun 2015 #76
They fear us because we vote in such high numbers in elections. Rex Jun 2015 #71
Generosity, kindness and style reminded me of this. betsuni Jun 2015 #92
Did any of you think you might someday want those "dismal" "rancid" liberals as allies? madfloridian Jun 2015 #62
Yes, because as the brilliant Michael Eric Dyson says: lovemydog Jun 2015 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #66
They don't like us, we are the group that votes for the POTUS 80 - 90% of the time. Rex Jun 2015 #70
Jury results. edbermac Jun 2015 #67
Boy, that was one UPSET alerter Number23 Jun 2015 #77
How condescending. "the poor darling" madfloridian Jun 2015 #83
It's not an attack on me. And it's not an attack on anyone that can clearly read and understand Number23 Jun 2015 #85
Read this paragraph again...let the ugliness sink in. madfloridian Jun 2015 #89
I can read it 100 times and still not feel attacked. But then I'm not really trying to either. Number23 Jun 2015 #91
I'm surprised anyone thinks this is an attack on the entire left. betsuni Jun 2015 #90
Do you think any portion of the Left should be attacked like this? madfloridian Jun 2015 #116
Tell that to Glenn Greenwald, Nader, Cornell West, Tavis Smiley, Jane Hamsher, AND... stevenleser Jun 2015 #148
There are bad things and they are bad. There are good things and they are good joshcryer Jun 2015 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #81
Defending this paragraph... madfloridian Jun 2015 #80
.....! KoKo Jun 2015 #111
Lesser of two evils makes the point JonLP24 Jun 2015 #86
Condescending bullshit, F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #93
You have to reach back to 2012 for hippie-punching material? marmar Jun 2015 #97
if, hypethetically, the party became corrupt, this attitude HFRN Jun 2015 #101
Yes, hypothetically. kath Jun 2015 #145
She must read DU. Perfect description. nt sufrommich Jun 2015 #105
Good read. Interesting to see an activist on the left atacked like this here. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #109
There's that "purity" stuff again. madfloridian Jun 2015 #120
Please read all of the replies. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #125
"to try and malign a good and active progressive" madfloridian Jun 2015 #127
"Works both ways. " NCTraveler Jun 2015 #128
Demanding inaction = "activist" lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #130
I understand she doesn't rise to your level of activism... NCTraveler Jun 2015 #131
"Shut up, you pony-wanting hippies!" is action of a sort, I suppose. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #133
Then you are commenting about a person you know nothing about. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #134
I don't know her personally. But she's an archetype of a type of "liberal" I run into all too often. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #136
We just got to the bottom of it. Thanks. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #138
It's so disgusting to see the same party sycophants Marr Jun 2015 #110
^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #168
The Very Sensible People taking a victory lap over the same-sex marriage decision.. frylock Jun 2015 #175
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #198
"Dismissiveness is a way of disengaging," says the oblivious author. n/t Orsino Jun 2015 #112
^^^this^^^ progressoid Jun 2015 #118
what a pompous gasbag. nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #114
Am I the only DUer who remembers, LWolf Jun 2015 #132
No, it is not attacking the entire left BainsBane Jun 2015 #135
Or it's simply re-defining LWolf Jun 2015 #137
Let me understand this BainsBane Jun 2015 #140
So you say these ugly words are okay against "some" activists? madfloridian Jun 2015 #139
Piece of shit used car salesman BainsBane Jun 2015 #141
Whoa, never mind. madfloridian Jun 2015 #142
I take that as a clear acknowledgement BainsBane Jun 2015 #143
No, I take it that you're hurting and angry. madfloridian Jun 2015 #144
Your objection to this OP was that it is hurtful BainsBane Jun 2015 #178
What ARE you talking about? Where are you getting all that. madfloridian Jun 2015 #183
Hey Bains-- ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #146
Agreed. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #158
+1 Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #160
"Butt hurt?" City Lights Jun 2015 #170
No shit BainsBane Jun 2015 #181
Thanks, Ism BainsBane Jun 2015 #179
+1... SidDithers Jul 2015 #202
Here's a difference. Marr Jun 2015 #165
Spot on. polly7 Jun 2015 #166
Well said! nt City Lights Jun 2015 #171
WTF are you talking about? BainsBane Jun 2015 #174
Ah some condescending grade A bullshit nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #147
... SidDithers Jul 2015 #203
I am glad that amuses you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #211
Answer to the letter writer: sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #155
We pretty much did just this for the 2014 cycle Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #162
I love it when conservatives out themselves on DU BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #169
This article is some kind of Rorschach test. betsuni Jun 2015 #172
And a reading comprehension test. betsuni Jun 2015 #188
I know, right? nt BainsBane Jul 2015 #204
I found this to be humorously hypocritical. bvar22 Jun 2015 #173
She is on the left BainsBane Jun 2015 #177
This is driving me nuts. SECTOR SECTOR SECTOR SECTOR. Right smack at the top of the article. betsuni Jun 2015 #187
OMFG. Phlem Jun 2015 #176
who on earth is this person? MisterP Jun 2015 #185
Rebecca Solnit BainsBane Jul 2015 #201
Does anyone here think Democrats are not liberal? Some may be moderate liberals and some are Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #186
Ponies? Do you *really* want to bring up Ponies at this particular moment? Fumesucker Jul 2015 #192
"looked to be an impossible dream in 2012" joshcryer Jul 2015 #193
I've been pro gay marriage ever since I was aware it was an issue Fumesucker Jul 2015 #194
So have I, but I still supported Dean. joshcryer Jul 2015 #195
"It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare." Fumesucker Jul 2015 #196
"Compared to you, Eeyore sounds like a Teletubby."... SidDithers Jul 2015 #200
who is this "Rebecca?" She can't bother to sign her last name? wordpix Jul 2015 #206
She did sign her last name BainsBane Jul 2015 #216
Kick. nt Bonobo Jul 2015 #215
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