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Ms. Toad

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195. Mostly I agree.

Sun May 25, 2014, 06:58 PM

May 2014

If you search, you'll find I do quite a bit of educating. You'll even find it elsewhere in this thread.

At some point, though, in what is supposed to be a space which is safe from bigotry, I'm not willing to put up with it. I don't fly off the handle in rage about it - but if I have spent enough already invested time educating a particular member - or have seen others trying to educate the member - I do alert and vote to hide. Particularly when (as is the case with at least one poster in this thread) there is either faux innocence or deliberately provocative outrage.

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Why calling a gay man by a female name, like GiGi, is homophobic [View all] quinnox May 2014 OP

I've never seen anyone call him GiGi, only GG. JaneyVee May 2014 #1

A simple search will show multitudes of incidences Mojorabbit May 2014 #130

Just did it, couldnt find one example related to greenwald. Egnever May 2014 #196

obviously you did not try terribly hard Mojorabbit May 2014 #198

What if he Calls HIMSELF Wolf Frankula May 2014 #2

Follow the "n" word rule. Fearless May 2014 #57

Glenn Greenwald is the new Black arely staircase May 2014 #87

Homophobia certainly is the civil rights issue Fearless May 2014 #97

It definitely is IMO. And, 50 years from now there will still be some bigots and homophobes just RKP5637 May 2014 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author DonViejo May 2014 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author quinnox May 2014 #5

Ooops. My mistake... DonViejo May 2014 #8

Allow me. Puglover May 2014 #10

Like I said, I never ever saw anyone refer to GG as Gigi/GiGi... DonViejo May 2014 #15

OIC Puglover May 2014 #16

If I meant it didn't count I would have written so but, as you can clearly see, I didn't. DonViejo May 2014 #19

I didn't call him on it. Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #67

Bugger can also mean mischievious kid or just a kid. indivisibleman May 2014 #71

Oh for fucks sake. Save it. Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author mac56 May 2014 #78

I'm wondering why Mac56 deleted his comment defending the use of bugger? Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #106

I've heard that too, from the older generation treestar May 2014 #148

In Hawai'i it was pronounced "buggah." Same common inoffensive usage. Dropped it with my pidgin... Hekate May 2014 #190

That poster is opposed to marriage equality and says so with religious conviction.... Bluenorthwest May 2014 #85

Had to read the thread to find out who GG is so i havent seen that reference... randys1 May 2014 #178

Not the first or the last evidence of homophobia re Glenn Greenwald on DU either. sabrina 1 May 2014 #62

There is out and out gay baiting downthread. Puglover May 2014 #80

I haven't read that far yet, but when a known bigot, self confessed, was sabrina 1 May 2014 #84

Should have seen some of them talking about Chelsea Manning Scootaloo May 2014 #170

And Dan Choi, when he ventured a criticism of You Know Who. QC May 2014 #176

No one here is calling him Gigi or even GiGi. pnwmom May 2014 #4

Would you agree that calling a gay man by a female name is homophobic? quinnox May 2014 #7

Yes. But "Gigi" is not equivalent to "GG" pnwmom May 2014 #12

Yes it is Aerows May 2014 #48

I don't know..... AnalystInParadise May 2014 #107

In their defense, some of them might not be doing it to be homophobic. dawg May 2014 #177

here's one: corkhead May 2014 #9

Ok, that one is wrong. But the poster has argued that using his initials pnwmom May 2014 #14

That poster also referred to him as a "bugger" Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #70

Except when it is. Hissyspit May 2014 #115

. Dragonfli May 2014 #18

Yeah, they are. They're just not spelling it that way. Iggo May 2014 #45

Yes, people have. Hissyspit May 2014 #112

It's all about context. It is being used like an negative epithet corkhead May 2014 #6

agreed G_j May 2014 #43

I don't think it is a mystery to anyone Aerows May 2014 #52

... bobduca May 2014 #54

i didn't see GG as GiGi (in print..if they are calling him GG in video or audio,that's different...) Leme May 2014 #11

If anything, it means his name is being said often enough treestar May 2014 #21

So you DO agree that posts using "Gigi" are homophobic? bvar22 May 2014 #27

You should delete this post treestar May 2014 #35

Not deleting my post, bvar22 May 2014 #142

I agree 100% with the GiGi being homophobic & giftedgirl77 May 2014 #13

OFFS. NuclearDem May 2014 #17

ha ha. see how much i have not been following shit on du. lol. of course... seabeyond May 2014 #30

It is his initials treestar May 2014 #20

Calling a gay man by a female name is homophobic quinnox May 2014 #22

What is a female name? treestar May 2014 #23

Do you think calling Greenwald as "GiGi" is homophobic? quinnox May 2014 #28

No, it sounds like you are dodging my questions treestar May 2014 #31

Talk about dodging questions quinnox May 2014 #37

Why is that? treestar May 2014 #42

I think there is a major difference between using "GG" and "GiGi" quinnox May 2014 #46

You're going to back out like that? treestar May 2014 #49

As I said in the OP, its more of a gut feeling to me, as to why its offensive quinnox May 2014 #51

It is because homophobia is, at its core, misogynistic Ms. Toad May 2014 #120

I honestly think most of them are using his initials treestar May 2014 #139

There are plenty of people here Ms. Toad May 2014 #152

We could just dispense with shortcuts BainsBane May 2014 #160

Excellent point BainsBane May 2014 #159

Exactly. Thank you. yardwork May 2014 #182

My name is Stephen. Don't call me Stephanie. Eleanors38 May 2014 #33

I'm a man and my name is Marion. treestar May 2014 #44

If Glenn Greenwald's name actually were GiGi then it would be fine to call him GiGi Bjorn Against May 2014 #58

Previously you told us you were a woman Bjorn Against May 2014 #105

Nice catch. Ms. Toad May 2014 #129

Did you read that whole subthread? LeftyMom May 2014 #135

I did, and it was disgusting Bjorn Against May 2014 #136

Are you kidding? treestar May 2014 #140

Well I will remember in the future that you told me not to take you at your word Bjorn Against May 2014 #143

SMH treestar May 2014 #158

unbelievable! Whisp May 2014 #180

Backpeddle backpeddle backpeddle. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #167

No treestar May 2014 #172

So because you made a false statement and I pointed it out I am not sophisticated? Bjorn Against May 2014 #179

Is there a way we can tell which of your posts should be taken at face value? DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #175

... Zorra May 2014 #181

Your parents did not name you Marion as an insult Ms. Toad May 2014 #125

Well then say it was a male name treestar May 2014 #173

Yes, yes, and there is Leslie, Carol, and Dana... Eleanors38 May 2014 #155

Actually there is a man using that name treestar May 2014 #174

Because... his cousin couldn't pronounce "Luigi." WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #187

His initials are not GiGi. Union Scribe May 2014 #24

I have no real interest in calling him GiGi treestar May 2014 #34

Here is the thread people need to read to see where you are coming from, the gays have plenty of Bluenorthwest May 2014 #86

It is misogynistic to use a female name to insult a man Ms. Toad May 2014 #131

the more threads on greenwald's initials the better nt arely staircase May 2014 #25

I don't trust people who don't have a middle initial. JoePhilly May 2014 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author whistler162 May 2014 #163

we might also want to acknowledge that it is sexist, too. i am sure that blows your mind more, seabeyond May 2014 #26

sea, it is because the poster supports Glenn (as do I), don't get too optimistic that there seaglass May 2014 #32

Why does supporting his writing treestar May 2014 #38

IMO there is a difference between referring to him as GG vs GiGi. His initials are GG his name is seaglass May 2014 #50

even those who think being called a feminine name is the worst thing EVAH!!! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #55

by the way. an example? i am not a supporter, nor like or respect the man. meh... nt seabeyond May 2014 #56

Puglover linked to one above. n/t seaglass May 2014 #76

Here is a more recent post. Puglover May 2014 #83

I really don't deserve that treestar May 2014 #119

treestar, I didn't call you a homophobe if that's what you're saying. n/t seaglass May 2014 #127

Questioning Greenwald is fine - he certainly can be questioned Ms. Toad May 2014 #134

ha ha. and ya. there you go. i just read where abbott made posters, wendy's head on a barbie, as seabeyond May 2014 #40

Thank you. And that also goes for the folks egging this on. Number23 May 2014 #171

It is also just as bad Aerows May 2014 #53

This is something I've struggled with for many years dickthegrouch May 2014 #29

It still exists - Ms. Toad May 2014 #147

Re: those of us in the community don't always "get it" dickthegrouch May 2014 #185

Mostly I agree. Ms. Toad May 2014 #195

Damn I am just going to stop speaking to people completely, the rules are too much. kickysnana May 2014 #36

I've never seen anyone at DU refer to Greenwald as "Gigi", have you? JohnnyRingo May 2014 #39

Yea, I have. Check out posts 9 and 18 for examples quinnox May 2014 #41

Well, I stand corrected. JohnnyRingo May 2014 #157

There are 2 links in this thread to people using "Gigi" to refer to him tkmorris May 2014 #47

It's the same homophobes who crawl out of the woodwork and play dumb every time. Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #61

It's the playing dumb part that gets me tkmorris May 2014 #88

Yes, then they went to GG when they were called on it. Hissyspit May 2014 #110

Intent is the important part Fearless May 2014 #59

There is a history from last summer. Hissyspit May 2014 #116

Perhaps Fearless May 2014 #169

Just don't alert on my name or anything OKNancy May 2014 #60

Gut feelings define colloquialisms. rrneck May 2014 #63

My initials are "MR". Would that be a slur against the mentally retarded? Throd May 2014 #64

Let's just say there are often things going on underneath the surface quinnox May 2014 #65

And you know that's just supposition, personal opinion, BlueCaliDem May 2014 #114

Oh, please. Hissyspit May 2014 #126

Greenwald's initials are not GiGi Bjorn Against May 2014 #68

Well, more than anything, I think it may depend on the person's preferences. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #66

If they want a female nickname they will tell you so Bjorn Against May 2014 #69

Well, you'll get no argument from me on this end, re: approval. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #99

I knew a man named Gigi zappaman May 2014 #72

That man you knew was not Glenn Greenwald Bjorn Against May 2014 #74

It's not a female name. zappaman May 2014 #77

His parents assigned him the initials GG Leme May 2014 #81

Can you please point me to where his initials were mentioned in the OP? Bjorn Against May 2014 #93

That was their mistake treestar May 2014 #146

That's silly. Why should we spell out his name. What's different about GG than POTUS or GWB. OregonBlue May 2014 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author arely staircase May 2014 #82

The OP says nothing about his initials, his initials are not GiGi Bjorn Against May 2014 #95

Does this apply to Lindsey Graham, Stacey Campfield, Lynn Swann IronLionZion May 2014 #89

I was unaware the Glenn's actual name was GiGi. MNBrewer May 2014 #92

Tell me what is his real initials? IronLionZion May 2014 #108

Why are you changing the subject to LG, SS and LS? MNBrewer May 2014 #138

Glenn Greenwald's initials must be something other than GG? IronLionZion May 2014 #164

I knew a gay man named Chocolate Thunder Pussy arely staircase May 2014 #90

I didn't know he had passed away. :( Behind the Aegis May 2014 #94

What's you trying to say, Nancy? libodem May 2014 #91

And yet....callin a dog "GiGi" in honor of Greenwald was not homophobic???? msanthrope May 2014 #96

thst never seems to get addressed, does it? nt arely staircase May 2014 #109

No...it does not. Wonder why??? nt msanthrope May 2014 #111

Why should it? Hissyspit May 2014 #123

Wow, you really can't see the difference? Hissyspit May 2014 #122

If "GiGi" is homophobic, then it's homophobic. If I call my dog "Redskin" in honor of my msanthrope May 2014 #128

No. Hissyspit May 2014 #133

Then shouldn't the dog have been named "Glenda?" treestar May 2014 #144

Homophobia on this board is alive and well. ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #98

It is indeed homophobic. Behind the Aegis May 2014 #100

I once voted to hide a post making fun of Ann Coulter... Blanks May 2014 #101

Wow! You've never been to SF, then. RandySF May 2014 #102

I would not call a gay man "Gigi" but if his initials are GG might refer to him by those, same as uppityperson May 2014 #103

About being called a name Rafale May 2014 #113

there are people here who absolutely HATE Greenwald G_j May 2014 #117

I've been reading Glenn since he started writing his Unclaimed Territory blog, have been a seaglass May 2014 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author G_j May 2014 #137

Ah, ok. Yeah I mostly stopped engaging with them after this: seaglass May 2014 #145

It's obvious I don't like GG, but you are way out of line Whisp May 2014 #149

I don't remember addressing you at all G_j May 2014 #153

Yes you did. I do call him GG for brevity sake Whisp May 2014 #154

nice try, but this is what I said, G_j May 2014 #156

And I could say it's just specific posters who have expressed hatred Whisp May 2014 #165

The Hater thing is complained of when it's the POTUS treestar May 2014 #141

no, we are talking about making a specific homophobic slur G_j May 2014 #151

Please link to the post where he is being referred to here on DU as "GiGi". Thank you. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #118

I don't know what started these response threads today. Hissyspit May 2014 #124

Ask...and you shall receive. bvar22 May 2014 #150

So, it's limited to at least on recent comment two weeks ago and some last summer? ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #162

Who said it was limited to that particular example. bvar22 May 2014 #168

Well, here's a couple, with a "GeeGee" thrown in for good measure. WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #194

Here you go. Ms. Toad May 2014 #121

What's it called when a heterosexual man or woman calls another a bitch? TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #161

I think it's more misogynistic than homophobic. GoCubsGo May 2014 #166

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #183

Yes "a gay" should be called by their proper name... What? Agschmid May 2014 #184

Where has anybody called him GiGi?????? MohRokTah May 2014 #186

It's now become a meme at D.U. to hammer those of us who disagree with or dislike G. G. Hekate May 2014 #189

Links are posted in this thread. Why don't you look? Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #191

I saw those links after my response to the OP MohRokTah May 2014 #192

We'll go on with you bad self! Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #193

It's also misogynistic loyalsister May 2014 #188

oh, the little assholes GET IT Skittles May 2014 #197