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55. MIC spokespeople (Bush, Cheney and Co., and now Kerry and Obama) like to pretend...

Sat Sep 7, 2013, 08:08 PM

Sep 2013

that we're do-gooders all around the world, that the exceptional U.S. of A. is some kind of big brother to every other nation, looking out for the welfare of every little tyke and dear old grandma on the planet.

Americans have always liked that version of our national story, and are prone to waving flags in excitement over such do-gooder activities. The distasteful notion that we'd slaughter little tykes and dear old grandmas so that corporations can exploit resources and haul in loads of cash just doesn't fit in our story.

What's different now is a critical mass of people aren't buying the fairy tale anymore. Finally!

Now we have hope and might see some change!

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It has come to my attention that some of you don't know what war is [View all] Taverner Sep 2013 OP

Now now, Taverner, how could truedelphi Sep 2013 #1

if it did get ugly, turned into world war lll WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #35

I think you missed the sarcasm davekriss Sep 2013 #39

Ummmm,,,, I believe he did get the sarcasm nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #42

I didn't miss the sarcasm WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #53

WHEN CRABS ROAR - i think I may be giving up: truedelphi Sep 2013 #64

I hear ya, truedelphi Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #92

Yeah, i'm getting weary too. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #93

Nothing works anymore tavalon Sep 2013 #127

Um, I went to the anti-war protest at the Federal Building in Los Angeles HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #106

Good for you, HardTimes99! pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #118

Wife and I are going to try to make the one today too. Having probs with pictures and Firefox, but HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #119

CBS2 video report on today's Hollywood rally ("more than 500" there at its peak): pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #142

Im sure their nuclear weapons are in just as effective as ours quakerboy Sep 2013 #146

The Bush war was for oil. Obama is not Bush. Tx4obama Sep 2013 #2

Why do we have to do it? n-t Logical Sep 2013 #5

Not to mention David Koch's recently admitted opposition...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #6

Because it helps Exxon, which his company competes with? n/t Aerows Sep 2013 #145

That's not really a problem. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #148

Oh Aerows Sep 2013 #149

What I meant was, if just ONE Western oil corp. would benefit....then they *all* could. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #156

*sigh* Aerows Sep 2013 #158

No spin here, fella. Just thoughts, and rather valid ones at that. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #163

David Koch is against it because Obama is for it. eom Blanks Sep 2013 #164

Well, maybe, I dunno. You would think that a guy like Koch would JUMP on this, though. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #165

How will killing more Syrians help dead Syrians? You have yet to answer this. /nt Dragonfli Sep 2013 #9

The objective of the 'use of force' in Syria it NOT to go in and kill people... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #12

These actions will kill a great many people, you do realize this, THOSE thousands matter not? Dragonfli Sep 2013 #14

uhhh,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #49

uhhh everybody knows that... Dragonfli Sep 2013 #67

Yea,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #74

by DESIGN bombs blow up things and kill ppl. They do not dispense condoms and chocolates Dragonfli Sep 2013 #80

You believe Cryptoad Sep 2013 #83

When you interrupted I was discussing the effects of a proposed military strike! Dragonfli Sep 2013 #84

Once again Cryptoad Sep 2013 #85

Blatantly untrue, its right above Dragonfli Sep 2013 #94

Yes a typo Cryptoad Sep 2013 #97

I could actually get behind the Pentagon parasites if they bombed with HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #113

I know! It's like where are their priorities? always with the red misting and the misery causing and Dragonfli Sep 2013 #123

I had the same exact amount of "briefing" I had... 99Forever Sep 2013 #104

So you are saying Cryptoad Sep 2013 #124

No... 99Forever Sep 2013 #126

You jumped into a thread Cryptoad Sep 2013 #128

I'll "jump into" any thread I please and state my view. 99Forever Sep 2013 #129

Your view you expressed has nothing to do with Cryptoad Sep 2013 #132

That's your opinion. 99Forever Sep 2013 #136

sure Cryptoad Sep 2013 #137

Gotta have the last word, do ya? 99Forever Sep 2013 #140

nah,,, it seems you do,,,, LMAO Cryptoad Sep 2013 #141

Objective doesn't really fucking matter to the dead people Scootaloo Sep 2013 #20

You don't know what I think, know, or want. And... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #26

No, but I know what you express in your posts Scootaloo Sep 2013 #32

Personal insults ,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #52

Nor is demanding the launch of missiles for the purpose of self-aggrandizement Scootaloo Sep 2013 #69

No excuse,,,,,,,, nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #72

Ah huh. When all else fails, sniffle about "tone" Scootaloo Sep 2013 #75

Try this tkmorris Sep 2013 #95

Thank you,,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #96

They used artillery pieces to shoot the shells warrant46 Sep 2013 #28

"degrade their capability…" Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #77

And over a hundred thousand have died from bullets, shrapnel, fire, collapsed buildings... Scootaloo Sep 2013 #11

Oh please stop it with your false accusations. I've been on DU the past several years... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #13

Tring Assad for war crimes is a different thing than chucking missiles at Syria Scootaloo Sep 2013 #16

In which court's jurisdiction Cryptoad Sep 2013 #54

On paper, the Hague Scootaloo Sep 2013 #62

Toilet Paper is of no value Cryptoad Sep 2013 #70

As a war criminal who will likely never face trial for the crimes? Scootaloo Sep 2013 #73

They listen to government propaganda warrant46 Sep 2013 #31

...Alpaca? Scootaloo Sep 2013 #33

They are cute !! warrant46 Sep 2013 #36

You would be surprised how smart sheep really are. fasttense Sep 2013 #58

They are smart warrant46 Sep 2013 #68

Even the mean ones of "these guys" aren't much of a threat... pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #59

Saw that nice link !! warrant46 Sep 2013 #63

Welcome home, brother pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #66

You too !! warrant46 Sep 2013 #71

Welcome home brother vet. wild bird Sep 2013 #88

Welcome home to you, too, wild bird pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #90

Thank you. It definitely was no picnic. wild bird Sep 2013 #91

Maybe it was the legacy of living through the 70's and 80's, but that one on the left jtuck004 Sep 2013 #44

Yes, they certainly don't fire a few Tomahawk Missiles when they are challenged warrant46 Sep 2013 #47

Might spit at you, but that's not so bad. jtuck004 Sep 2013 #61

Llamas more so on the spitting warrant46 Sep 2013 #65

Ha. Yeah, I know, I was just being facetious. And they are a LOT jtuck004 Sep 2013 #89

Good One warrant46 Sep 2013 #99

Maybe you should BOLD the word GAS too... RetroLounge Sep 2013 #17

Obomber is not Bush? Carolina Sep 2013 #18

The MIC is very interested in oil Taverner Sep 2013 #21

If an attack was made on us. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #27

In the last 2+ years over 100k have been killed... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #29

It's still about oil. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #37

Amazes me that some think the world court should slap Assad on the Wrist. Cryptoad Sep 2013 #48

I got a news flash for ya - RC Sep 2013 #51

How dare you show compassion iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #57

Last time I checked... Mr_Jefferson_24 Sep 2013 #134

You are right, Obama is not Bush Link Speed Sep 2013 #60

You're stating as fact what is merely unproven assertion. Shame! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #111

yeah, keeping carrying water for the war.....sure wars are good. death is good. bowens43 Sep 2013 #131

Your claim that Assad had anytihing to do with... Mr_Jefferson_24 Sep 2013 #133

How many innocent people died at the hands of the US war machine and who is going to do what abt it? RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #138

Oh. A war over a gas pipeline through Syria is different that a war for oil Aerows Sep 2013 #144

Imagine if 10 people died in Iraq from Sarin gas... quakerboy Sep 2013 #151

It's somehow always justified if "they die over there" Aerows Sep 2013 #159

All wars are to make the 1% richer. Cleita Sep 2013 #3

I did watch the Vikings. My recommendation is go to History Channel boards and read threads KittyWampus Sep 2013 #8

A lot of it was story telling license so much of it is inaccurate but Cleita Sep 2013 #10

People who just want to put food on their family and get by. DJ13 Sep 2013 #4

Trying to use humor Taverner Sep 2013 #22

As I stated above, if it turns into world war lll WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #40

I'll be there with you, on the streets Taverner Sep 2013 #98

it's going to get ugly. Whether we intervene or not. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #7

Mighty ugly . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #46

Thanks!!!! nt greytdemocrat Sep 2013 #15

Is it not an act of war... whttevrr Sep 2013 #19

So we have to rush to every little skirmish? Taverner Sep 2013 #23

uh... no... whttevrr Sep 2013 #24

Yes, and your point? quaker bill Sep 2013 #86

We Know All about War in My Family School Teacher Sep 2013 #25

This war is PNAC Doctrine Taverner Sep 2013 #30

Correct me if I am wrong . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #38

Hillary endorsed the President's strike plan, but she has not made a statement yet pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #43

I hope she listens to the peoples' voices. another_liberal Sep 2013 #45

Tuesday should be interesting pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #50

Do you know that old Chinese curse? another_liberal Sep 2013 #56

She's still trying to wash the blood of those estimated 1,000,000 Iraqis off HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #116

If Hillary comes out against the war, even if it's for political posturing, she so has my vote Taverner Sep 2013 #109

Mine as well! another_liberal Sep 2013 #114

Yep and I don't care if it is a calculated strategy Taverner Sep 2013 #121

Won't that smack just a bit of RFK's 'conversion of convenience' in '68? I like HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #117

Thing is, RFK would have ended Vietnam Taverner Sep 2013 #120

I agree with you. Hell, LBJ might well have ended it if Nixon and HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #122

And then what happens if we "win"............. wandy Sep 2013 #34

Never believe anyone who tells you . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #41

MIC spokespeople (Bush, Cheney and Co., and now Kerry and Obama) like to pretend... polichick Sep 2013 #55

yes, indeed Pleidianfriend723 Sep 2013 #81

Then he'll pay a big price because people don't believe that old story anymore... polichick Sep 2013 #82

A big PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #100

Thanks - at least people are getting it now. polichick Sep 2013 #101

+1 leveymg Sep 2013 #102

Isn't there some kind of a bomb that would just put everybody to sleep for a few days? Voice for Peace Sep 2013 #76

I definitely know what war is. RebelOne Sep 2013 #78

slight correction: a war is when two OR LESS nation-states reject diplomacy... MisterP Sep 2013 #79

and MORE as well. quaker bill Sep 2013 #87

Is it a war if congress doesn't declare it one? Or is it just..... Little Star Sep 2013 #103

It's not a war if we don't call it such Taverner Sep 2013 #108

lol Little Star Sep 2013 #155

Very good point. And if Obama goes ahead with these strikes truedelphi Sep 2013 #135

Congratulations -- you've joined the Sarah Palin wing of the republican Party. brooklynite Sep 2013 #105

Dude, you so missed my point Taverner Sep 2013 #107

Your quote: brooklynite Sep 2013 #110

I am sure they are, and in fact an Anarchist Brigade has split off Taverner Sep 2013 #112

"If you want their blood on your hands" brooklynite Sep 2013 #115

You didn't avoid it very well.... yawnmaster Sep 2013 #157

How do we stop it? tavalon Sep 2013 #125

what oil? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #130

The pipeline that is being built across Syria and will either pickup in Kirkuk Aerows Sep 2013 #150

thats natural gas not oil...you got the story wrong VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #154

Oh Aerows Sep 2013 #160

Believe me...just because I can hold my own when the shit throwing gets started VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #161

*crickets* *crickets* n/t Aerows Sep 2013 #152

YES...UGLY FAST! IRAQ REDUX..... I would not want to live through this KoKo Sep 2013 #139

Twenty five years from today Brits will watch shows like "Eldorado Ranch" Taverner Sep 2013 #153

Well according to your definitions davidpdx Sep 2013 #143

I sincerely hope it does. Aerows Sep 2013 #147

What actually happens xfundy Sep 2013 #162