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Luminous Animal

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21. Kevin Drum: On Friday, the President Treated Us Like Five-Year-Olds
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 11:00 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/08/obama-nsa-surveillance-speech
The fact that Obama doesn't consider Snowden a patriot comes as no surprise. Presidents don't generally approve of people who release large volumes of national secrets. But this was really too much:

Back in May...I called for a review of our surveillance programs....My preference — and I think the American people’s preference — would have been for a lawful, orderly examination of these laws,


....

Please. Only a five-year-old would read that May speech and believe that Obama had any intention of either releasing significant information about our surveillance state or proposing any kind of serious reforms. That speech was mostly about drones—because, tellingly, Obama had been forced into it by recent news stories. In a 7,000-word speech, he devoted approximately three sentences to surveillance. It was little more than an afterthought, and his only concrete proposal, after four years in office, was a laughably buck-passing decision to set up a commission and then hope everyone would forget about the whole thing. Roger McShane called Obama's Friday press conference "surreal, in a Kafkaesque sort of way," but it was worse than that. It was a president treating us all like idiots. Does anyone seriously believe that even the very moderate reforms Obama has proposed so far would have seen the light of day if he hadn't been forced into it?

K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #1
"By observing Obama's condescension" ProSense Aug 2013 #2
Yeah I don't think condescending is the same thing as "uppity". cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #4
Shh. Prosense knows the author well enough to imply he is racist David Krout Aug 2013 #6
No, the author isn't "racist" and I implied no such thing. ProSense Aug 2013 #9
So there was no need to say that condescending=uppity? David Krout Aug 2013 #11
Caught. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #13
Please, spare me. There is only one thing ProSense Aug 2013 #15
Mr. Snowden has been charged with three felonies Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #25
You can yawn, but that's the reality. ProSense Aug 2013 #34
Here's another reality for ya... usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #36
His REAL mission is being carrie out here on DU. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #46
That's right usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #47
Yes, the hemlock that Socrates drank was real enough, too. Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #42
Nelson Mandela was charged with multiple felonies too, and convicted muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #56
Mandela off U.S. terrorism watch list -Wed July 2, 2008 delrem Aug 2013 #71
Buuuuuussssssted. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #18
Oh, you don't like people putting words in your mouth? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #27
bullpucky. that is precisely what you did by insisting that the author cali Aug 2013 #53
Yes. You DID. bvar22 Aug 2013 #61
Me Neither... WillyT Aug 2013 #7
Yeah, if you disagree with Obama mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #8
+1 nashville_brook Aug 2013 #12
Not Uppity; Arrogant pscot Aug 2013 #14
Yup, more RACIST busted usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #28
Yes, you implied racism burnodo Aug 2013 #44
spot on. that's precisely what's going on. cali Aug 2013 #52
yes, yes. it just has to be racism. Going to accuse Eugene Robinson of being cali Aug 2013 #51
Shameless and foul whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #60
AND bvar22 Aug 2013 #64
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #3
Must be another Rand Paul Moon Bat usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #5
WHOUA! jazzimov Aug 2013 #10
You're cheershaming up the wrong tree DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #19
Your headline made me spit my coffee BrotherIvan Aug 2013 #63
"WE have to review the NSA and CIA actions" Union Scribe Aug 2013 #29
Raising awareness is doing something. Maedhros Aug 2013 #57
knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #16
It was a very low point. Autumn Aug 2013 #17
Did speech did NOT go well nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #20
Kevin Drum: On Friday, the President Treated Us Like Five-Year-Olds Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #21
Here's his 'call from back in May' NDU speech 05/23/2013 snappyturtle Aug 2013 #54
The Very Sensible People who live in the Reality-Based Real World just loved it.. frylock Aug 2013 #22
They are pragmatic. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #41
The last paragraph in that article was kind of funny zeemike Aug 2013 #23
.... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #39
K&R. What a perfect description. forestpath Aug 2013 #24
I'm starting to think Obama just reads what they put in front of him. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #26
...or a corporate spokesmodel.... truebluegreen Aug 2013 #66
tomorrows Two Minutes Hate: The Atlantic markiv Aug 2013 #30
Everyone is the enemy now. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #33
It is growing crowded under de bus. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #45
Thanks for the link, willy.....but I must say Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #31
Great read, K&R nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #32
I think of the wall of blue links as fingers for the dike. mick063 Aug 2013 #35
There also seems to be far less amateurs to help the pro lately. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2013 #49
boohoohoo MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #37
As always, your insighful comments Maedhros Aug 2013 #58
Arglebargle = Bullshit DeSwiss Aug 2013 #38
Yeah, this piece pretty much kicked the President's ass. Common Sense Party Aug 2013 #40
says the media that didn't do its job in 2006. pansypoo53219 Aug 2013 #43
du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #48
Kick !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #50
Considering he was dead set against any of this Security State in 2005 Rex Aug 2013 #55
That he can make a lot of money from "speaking fees" after he leaves office Maedhros Aug 2013 #59
This sums up my feeling too after watching the "historic" speech. bvar22 Aug 2013 #62
Seems to be a pattern Doctor_J Aug 2013 #65
100th rec. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #67
The Atlantic didn't like the speech ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #68
Neither Did People Normally Supportive Of The President... WillyT Aug 2013 #69
and Van Jones burnodo Aug 2013 #70
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