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In reply to the discussion: Hiroshima - quit lying to yourselves [View all]whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)122. Sounds more like an irrational emotional response than a cogent argument
BTW nice war toy pics.
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Every one of those so called civilians were being trained to resist the invasion
tumtum
Aug 2013
#45
Whatever it takes for you to justify the nuclear incineration of a million people, I guess
Scootaloo
Aug 2013
#353
If we had not removed their gov't, we would have fought them again in 20 years.
GreenStormCloud
Aug 2013
#453
They were being trained to kill invading soldiers... That just doesn't sound as blood-thirsty and
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2013
#356
Those civilians fully supported the war effort and willingly sent their sons off to kill innocents
hack89
Aug 2013
#81
Women and children are innocent bystanders, civilized people do not kill women and children
Dragonfli
Aug 2013
#150
Isn't it time to admit that the lives of children are worth less to you than a side order of fries?
Dragonfli
Aug 2013
#166
You have no idea the militarism and regimentation conditioned upon the Japanese citizens under
Nanjing to Seoul
Aug 2013
#371
so I guess you won't bother to read my response after you grossly misinterpret my post
NoMoreWarNow
Aug 2013
#461
Your attitude that the A-bomb was wrong because it killed women and children. . .that's where
Nanjing to Seoul
Aug 2013
#463
sometimes when taking the high road your legs get cut off at the feet
Nanjing to Seoul
Aug 2013
#471
I think Jesus said that in one of the parables: "Stop genocide by killing twice as many of them"
NoMoreWarNow
Aug 2013
#477
I get your point but if we hadnt goaded the japanese into war we wouldnt have needed to bomb them
boomer55
Aug 2013
#98
It is much more complicated than that. There are lots of reasons to think FDR wanted the Japanese
NoMoreWarNow
Aug 2013
#241
I understand, better to kill thousands of women and children civilians than risk your soldier dad.
Dragonfli
Aug 2013
#142
My dad was also a Marine preparing for the invasion of Japan. Casualty estimates were high.
Dollface
Aug 2013
#238
"Stimson estimated that conquering Japan would cost ... five to ten million Japanese fatalities."
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2013
#417
Rejected. Your uh dad needs a better lawyer. "Is mother proud of little boy today?" n/t
Catherina
Aug 2013
#194
So starving hundreds of thousands to death was the moral alternative to the atomic bombs?
hack89
Aug 2013
#460
Your appeal falls on deaf ears, the lives of thousands of women and children mean less
Dragonfli
Aug 2013
#178
History is what it is. Once we knew the bomb worked this "invasion force" became a bluff...
hunter
Aug 2013
#101
Thousands of troops weren't sent steaming toward Japan for a "bluff".
Waiting For Everyman
Aug 2013
#262
Operation Downfall is not a myth and yes Virginia it would have cost may more lives
davidpdx
Aug 2013
#348
Sounds more like an irrational emotional response than a cogent argument
whatchamacallit
Aug 2013
#122
Yup, same as my husband's father. They were warned THREE times, for fuck's sake.
whathehell
Aug 2013
#145
You're right, my dad was being sent to be in the first stage invasion too.
Waiting For Everyman
Aug 2013
#218
I'm sure there's quite a few of us here who wouldn't be were it not for those bombs
independentpiney
Aug 2013
#301
"I'll save my tears for those who didn't attack us and those families decimated by the Axis powers".
whathehell
Aug 2013
#153
You want to feel self righteous by having a guilt trip over it, go ahead.
GreenStormCloud
Aug 2013
#203
OOPS. Sorry. In long threads like this I sometimes respond to the wrong one.
GreenStormCloud
Aug 2013
#235
Still no. The extermination of the Jews was meant to exterminate them, not scare them.
Dawgs
Aug 2013
#338
You really believe that the use of atomic weapons wasn't meant to scare anyone?
ET Awful
Aug 2013
#378
You need to learn to read. My argument is that using atomic bombs WAS meant to terrorize.
Dawgs
Aug 2013
#380
Correct. I'm against killing anyone that's innocent. You, apparantely, are okay with it. n/t
Dawgs
Aug 2013
#259
It seems like you can't see the difference between soldier and innocent civilian.
Dawgs
Aug 2013
#261
Finally. Why didn't you say that a long time ago. 'During wartime, killing civilians is fine.'
Dawgs
Aug 2013
#279
I don't think you are ready to hear this but estimates are that as many as 1 million U.S.
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#29
And while "talking surrender" they were MASSIVELY FORTIFYING Kyushu. For nothing???
Waiting For Everyman
Aug 2013
#298
MacArthur was supreme Allied commander of Pacific forces. Without the decision to use
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#77
The Japanese alliance with the Nazis was sufficient for that, and it ENDED the war.
kestrel91316
Aug 2013
#93
The "highjackers" were Arab and Saddam had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.
Mnemosyne
Aug 2013
#349
Of all the various cruelties of Imperial Japan, its enslavement of Korean women
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#66
That was a crime. I ended up rooting for Godzilla, a comet, anything to kill those wretched actors!
freshwest
Aug 2013
#333
Good film? My grandsons are itching to see it, hopefully at the local drivein!
Mnemosyne
Aug 2013
#351
Thanks nadin. They are 12 & 13, perfect for that age group then, but sounds very loud going by the
Mnemosyne
Aug 2013
#358
I watch the genre with the two oldest grandsons. Their reactions and comments are hysterical.
Mnemosyne
Aug 2013
#472
We recently watched The Sorcerer and the White Snake, awesome film! I will hunt down Kurosawa's
Mnemosyne
Aug 2013
#474
You're right. War, especially war against civilians, is always immoral.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2013
#36
So what were all the innocent Chinese and other Asians the Japanese butchered, tortured to death, an
kestrel91316
Aug 2013
#100
You sure you're in the right place? War is war. I don't give shit how big or how nice.
Dawgs
Aug 2013
#287
The bombung of Hiroshima was all about sending a message to the world, we are the World's number one
JRLeft
Aug 2013
#57
My father was in the Pacific during all that time and as I asked, he explained.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#147
If they were willing to have their population annihilated, why didn't they?
RedCappedBandit
Aug 2013
#95
Do you know how silly that sounds? Of course they would defend themselves against an invading
liberal_at_heart
Aug 2013
#152
So you admit that the Japanese murdered/killed/slaughtered millions of civilians?
tumtum
Aug 2013
#428
We were not in a 'fight for our lives and survival' on August 6, 1945. Japan had lost the war. n/t
godai
Aug 2013
#429
Innocent civilians have been killed for as long as war has existed. We didn't start the trend.
kestrel91316
Aug 2013
#108
I just wish that we had been in a position to nuke Berlin a few years earlier.
Nye Bevan
Aug 2013
#84
So what is your point? You just cherry pick one event and think yourself a genius?
Rex
Aug 2013
#107
One could argue that the dropping of the bomb saved a million Japanese lives
Vinnie From Indy
Aug 2013
#109
Horrible thing to be sure. Justifisble? A debatable point. Thankful someone made
geckosfeet
Aug 2013
#136
It was terrorism. Plain and simple. There is no justification for deliberetaly bombing civilians.
liberal_at_heart
Aug 2013
#139
I've been a member for ages, but this is the first time I've seen this level of crazy about this.
eggplant
Aug 2013
#410
"There was mostly evil intent in all those bombings including the atomic bombings..."
EX500rider
Aug 2013
#306
I know it was war, and a nasty one at that. But those bombings were malicious and cruel beyond
NoMoreWarNow
Aug 2013
#444
No one APPLAUDS them, and your use of that word excuses you from any serious conversation.
Dreamer Tatum
Aug 2013
#250
I was going to ignore this post initially because it seemed kind of obvious
NoMoreWarNow
Aug 2013
#245
from a wider perspective (wider even than the facts that the USSR took Manchuria in 11 DAYS
MisterP
Aug 2013
#280
What the hell difference does it make if it's 1 bomb killing 100,000 people...
Richardo
Aug 2013
#330
I don't disagree with your point, but it does demonstrate a level of naiveté that
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#340
It's inarguable that innocent people died. It's also inarguable that absolutely guilty people died.
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2013
#361
So incinerating hundreds of thousands of innocent women, children and babies in Tokyo was ok?
DCBob
Aug 2013
#363
Thanks for the post. Funny how this debate has suffered the OJ trial phenomenon...
rwsanders
Aug 2013
#387
I don't see that in the constituion and that is in direct contradiction to the principals set forth
rwsanders
Aug 2013
#435
I believe the atomic bombing were both horrific as well as necessary and correct.
branford
Aug 2013
#436
I believe more in Kirk's answer to the Kobayashi Maru, always another option, but in context
rwsanders
Aug 2013
#441