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baldguy

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23. Really.

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:24 AM

Mar 2013

Tragedy underscores multiple gun-ownership trend in U.S.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/19/tragedy-stresses-multiple-gun-ownership-trend-in-us/1781285/

Please note: Michael Moore said "90% of the guns in America", not "90% of the Whites in America". He's talking about the numbers of guns, not the numbers of gun owners.

Gun owners are more likely to be white, more likely to be suburban & rural - the group least likely to be victims of violent crime. Yet these same people are more likely to own 4 or more firearms.

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"90% of the guns in America are owned by White people in the suburbs." [View all] baldguy Mar 2013 OP

Moore pulled that number out of his ass hack89 Mar 2013 #1

I agree that he most likely did pull that number out of his ass el_bryanto Mar 2013 #3

He needs to back up his claim. hack89 Mar 2013 #6

No it's not - he should back it up - it's possible he did get that nubmer somewhere el_bryanto Mar 2013 #8

I agree with you 90% seems like the wrong percentage. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #137

back up your's olddots Mar 2013 #50

My claim that Moore did not present any evidence to back up his claim? hack89 Mar 2013 #51

self reports by gun owners Brainstormy Mar 2013 #183

46% of black respondents say they own a handgun hack89 Mar 2013 #184

We could answer this easily with a national registry. morningfog Mar 2013 #118

Good to see you still have your dreams. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #130

One day! I think MM is probably right, morningfog Mar 2013 #131

Prove it. baldguy Mar 2013 #4

He made the claim. He needs to prove it. hack89 Mar 2013 #5

No only that, but even *reasearch* is banned. baldguy Mar 2013 #16

So you agree that Moore cannot substantiate his claim? hack89 Mar 2013 #17

Show me a firearm ad with a Black person in it. baldguy Mar 2013 #47

What does that have to do with his claim? nt hack89 Mar 2013 #48

You haven't been paying attention, have you? Try actually READING a bit ..... baldguy Mar 2013 #53

Why don't you simply show me that he is right? hack89 Mar 2013 #54

You have no proof one way or the other that he is or he isn't. baldguy Mar 2013 #55

That is pretty stupid logic hack89 Mar 2013 #56

Well, the entire capitalist system for the entire world runs on stupid logic. baldguy Mar 2013 #59

what exactly GreenRanger Mar 2013 #186

Go read up on the science of marketing laundry_queen Mar 2013 #197

honestly GreenRanger Mar 2013 #199

So? laundry_queen Mar 2013 #202

I wasn't trying to obfuscate GreenRanger Mar 2013 #207

Youtube is full of them davepc Mar 2013 #93

Do you have any clue what an advertisement is? At all? baldguy Mar 2013 #97

And do you have any idea about how modern advertising works? davepc Mar 2013 #99

By his logic bigotry can't spread because no corporate advertising firms Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #102

Product placement in various media works for cars, soft drinks & other consumer products. baldguy Mar 2013 #104

I think you are WinniSkipper Mar 2013 #191

You're displaying your ignorance of WHY advertising works. baldguy Mar 2013 #192

I understand why it works. WinniSkipper Mar 2013 #196

substantiate your claim about his claim olddots Mar 2013 #52

So the weapons companies aren't trying to direct their advertising... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #108

I've asked several people several times with no result so far. baldguy Mar 2013 #112

The booze companies Bay Boy Mar 2013 #119

Because there's no national registry. premium Mar 2013 #7

Did everyone who has a/some gun/guns get them legally, with all paperwork completed bike man Mar 2013 #9

Or bicycles jberryhill Mar 2013 #15

78.4% of gun violence is performed by gangs with stolen weapons snooper2 Mar 2013 #21

Got a link? nt cbrer Mar 2013 #91

89.1% of people don't need a link n/t Bay Boy Mar 2013 #110

Michael Moore...making stuff up about guns? Peter cotton Mar 2013 #34

A horrifying visual...but very probably true. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #35

If we take Mr. Moore at his word are we to assume he employs racist bodyguards? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #61

You mean like this? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #82

I've reported that slanderous, trolling nonsense multiple times. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #87

Wow.. seems like pedophilia and bestiality are missing as well... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #132

That sig is slightly different everytime I see it RZM Mar 2013 #144

you pulled a number about a number Michael Moore quoted out your ass olddots Mar 2013 #49

Why has no one else picked up on this? PotatoChip Mar 2013 #71

I lived in the Tampa Bay Area of Florida for 37 years. ... spin Mar 2013 #84

Says the white guy guns in the suburbs. Lol. morningfog Mar 2013 #69

So you can substantiate his claim? hack89 Mar 2013 #70

LOL! morningfog Mar 2013 #114

"Facts are irrelevant as long as it is anti-gun" hack89 Mar 2013 #129

Nailed it. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #177

It is where he gets most of his numbers. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #213

It would matter if that 90% of guns was responsible for 90% of gun violence hack89 Mar 2013 #214

Numbers and percetages mean something pipoman Mar 2013 #2

Look at all the daily shootings from gangs socialindependocrat Mar 2013 #10

And just where do you think those "gangs" get their guns? baldguy Mar 2013 #24

most likely Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #26

How come the neighborhoods of the alleged suppliers isn't as violence-wracked as Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #60

Ask Tony Montana. baldguy Mar 2013 #62

I never saw Scarface so I had to google Tony Montana Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #68

Illegal gun owners get their guns from legal gun owners. Every time. baldguy Mar 2013 #72

So by that logic legal pharmaceutical drug users are negligient and wholly responsible Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #75

But pharmaceutical and alcohol dealers work as much as they can to ensure abuse is at a minimum baldguy Mar 2013 #77

You know that is absolutely false. Firearm manufacturers and dealers are federally licensed. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #101

Every. Time. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #105

Where do you think they come from then? baldguy Mar 2013 #106

So if a Punk gets a piece from another Punk, and that gun is TEN TIMES REMOVED from cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #121

It had to get into the illegal market somehow. baldguy Mar 2013 #122

Why don't you go back, and look at the subject line I replied to originally. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #124

You have given no evidence that any given illegal gun can't be traced back to a legal gun owner. baldguy Mar 2013 #125

It's like immigration. Very few "illegal immigrants" (I hate that phrase) actually crossed illegally Recursion Mar 2013 #142

A lot of people who own guns illegally got their guns Jenoch Mar 2013 #128

Every illegal gun can be traced back to a legal gun owner baldguy Mar 2013 #134

You are correct to a certain extent. Jenoch Mar 2013 #161

By the way, Jenoch Mar 2013 #163

You do know that a lot of illegal guns are brought into this country illegally right? n/t npk Mar 2013 #198

The 'bangers don't go to gun shows, the prices are way too high DollarBillHines Mar 2013 #78

Absolute made up tripe from Michael. Once again, I invite him to visit DETROIT, Romulox Mar 2013 #11

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Zoeisright Mar 2013 #66

All gibberish and smilies. nt Romulox Mar 2013 #159

like everyone else who's posted in this thread, I'm calling bullshit cali Mar 2013 #12

I once respected MM, thought of him as some kind of hero for F9*11. Skip Intro Mar 2013 #13

Moore is right in the point that marions ghost Mar 2013 #14

Then perhaps we need to work on ending poverty The Straight Story Mar 2013 #18

They go together marions ghost Mar 2013 #19

Your allies in the NRA and the Tea Party are working against that happening. baldguy Mar 2013 #40

How cute The Straight Story Mar 2013 #43

Same way you think Michael Moore shouldn't be heard - because he's fat. baldguy Mar 2013 #46

+1 ellisonz Mar 2013 #181

--- marions ghost Mar 2013 #182

Wrong guardian Mar 2013 #20

Really. baldguy Mar 2013 #23

Who is more likely to hunt? joeglow3 Mar 2013 #33

All these White people aren't lining up to buy hunting rifles. baldguy Mar 2013 #36

So, you have no real proof joeglow3 Mar 2013 #42

So if they aren't usually a problem, what's your beef? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #38

Because illegal gun owners get their guns from legal gun owners. baldguy Mar 2013 #39

If you are going to lecture on stats try knowing what you are talking about dsc Mar 2013 #45

This says 46% of whites are gun owners, not 46% of guns are owned by whites Recursion Mar 2013 #57

I guess you need an refresher on how to use a search engine. morningfog Mar 2013 #115

Does not surprise me a bit. Bigots arm up out of fear. NRA membership stats confirm. Hoyt Mar 2013 #22

Amen, Brother Hoyt! Who needs research when you've got unquestioning faith? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #29

Look at all those not-White people lining up to git ther gunz! baldguy Mar 2013 #32

Like these "non-white" people? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #37

I'd trust any of those old guys with guns, before the yahoos above from Michigan Militia/Bigots Hoyt Mar 2013 #41

Gun control? Nah, it dat white trash. That who it is. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #80

I hope someday you won't think in terms of "enemy." Citizens are not the gun Hoyt Mar 2013 #88

It bugs you that there is no political test for gun ownership, doesn't it? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #86

Nope. Rules should apply to almost every one. Hoyt Mar 2013 #92

People in the cities should have the same RKBA as people in the suburbs badtoworse Mar 2013 #25

75.6% of all statistics are made up... sarisataka Mar 2013 #27

Yes but that's true only 49.67% of the time Fla_Democrat Mar 2013 #30

Source: Gallup Inc, Gun Owners of America bighart Mar 2013 #28

. baldguy Mar 2013 #31

That has no stat on the numbers of guns owned. morningfog Mar 2013 #117

Spot-on. The "RKBA enthusiast" movement is largely a racist movement, with its roots in the apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #44

Horseshit guardian Mar 2013 #58

That's an extreme point of view you are holding. Quantess Mar 2013 #63

There you have it: He wants more culture war. Right here. nt Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #81

You're well on your way to being famously full of shit. Skip Intro Mar 2013 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #175

If we accept Moore's assertion that 90% of guns are in white suburbs, kudzu22 Mar 2013 #64

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #65

You win for the stupidest post of the century. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #67

I make up shit too. I invented helium! Throd Mar 2013 #73

Prove that he's wrong. baldguy Mar 2013 #74

For that percentage to pan out, all white suburbanites would have vast hoards of firearms. Throd Mar 2013 #76

The number of the "vast quantities" you're looking for is *4*. baldguy Mar 2013 #79

Non-whites only get one gun? Who knew? Throd Mar 2013 #89

"If Michael Moore's face were on a nickel, Sean Hannity's would be on the other side." NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #94

The actual percentages are listed in Reply # 20. baldguy Mar 2013 #95

Make some more. We're running low. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #113

Michael Moore is a self-promoting ass. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #83

He's fat too! You forgot to mention that! baldguy Mar 2013 #85

If he actually quoted a fact, he might have a point. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #90

You guys can't deny the hypothesis. If the percentage is 70%, MM has a point. Hoyt Mar 2013 #98

Who are "you guys"? NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #100

Go to gun show, ask all the white gun accumulators where they live. Hoyt Mar 2013 #103

First of all, I SERIOUSLY doubt that the number is even close to 70%. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #107

Unfortunately there are a lot of those gun cultists. Hoyt Mar 2013 #109

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #111

You're using the PeeWee Herman defense? baldguy Mar 2013 #123

The only thing I know about PeeWee Herman is the theater incident. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #126

The guns from Chicago and D.C. don't come from Chicago and D.C. baldguy Mar 2013 #133

According to Bloomberg that makes MM a drain on the system. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #165

If you have no clue about the issues you should refrain from commenting. baldguy Mar 2013 #170

What RW propaganda? You mentioned MM's weight. I noted Bloomberg says obesity drains the system. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #172

Moore was successful at stimulating this discussion cbrer Mar 2013 #96

It was successful at tickling the easy to tickle suburban white guys with guns. morningfog Mar 2013 #116

Shooting fish in a barrel yes... cbrer Mar 2013 #127

It is so weird. Puglover Mar 2013 #135

Gun owners love their guns more than they love their children. baldguy Mar 2013 #136

Congratulations: that's the most egregious example of false dichotomy I've encountered in years. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #171

Actually, given the posts I've seen by the gun nuts on DU, I'm spot on. baldguy Mar 2013 #179

You're moving the goalposts. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #180

They are the same. baldguy Mar 2013 #187

Except they very clearly and demonstrably are NOT the same. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #190

I won't hold my breath for these mythical "simple gun owners" to show their progressive creds by baldguy Mar 2013 #193

You needn't. It's already been done countless times. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #194

When? Where? baldguy Mar 2013 #195

Exactly, gun owners are all a bunch of fucking NRA extremists. hughee99 Mar 2013 #209

"the NRA, their murder-friendly pro-criminal RW" Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #212

Because they have people like you to support them. baldguy Mar 2013 #216

That doesn't even make sense. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #217

The extremist RW has a long history of giving terrorist groups political power baldguy Mar 2013 #218

Gee, a picture. Well, that pretty much makes it irrefutable. Here's a more recent one -- Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #219

Considering Ecuador's gun homicide rate is higher than America's hack89 Mar 2013 #139

LOL I live here Hack. Puglover Mar 2013 #166

Those "cute blue links" are called facts. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #167

Facts: perhaps you've heard of them. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #174

Same offer goes to you as to Puglover Mar 2013 #188

Ah, so four times the gun-related murder rate is unimportant to you. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #189

Do you reject the statistic stated in Lizzie's Post? Marengo Mar 2013 #200

Easier, apparently, to employ the "ostrich defense" and ignore anything inconvenient. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #210

And you know what? laundry_queen Mar 2013 #201

Cracking down on the illegal gun trade should be a top priority hack89 Mar 2013 #205

The problem being laundry_queen Mar 2013 #208

The NRA is wrong hack89 Mar 2013 #211

Laws need to be changed. Think about a psychiatric evaluation before allowing a gun purchase. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #138

How would that work? hack89 Mar 2013 #140

The new gun owner will need to prove that he or she is sane. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #141

That would be extremely low bar hack89 Mar 2013 #143

Not necessarily. Some adult gun owners have lost_it due to stress in everyday life. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #145

Mental health professionals cannot tell the future hack89 Mar 2013 #146

No. Not at all. However: If someone has been institutionalized with suicidal mental issues ... In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #147

That is already illegal under federal law hack89 Mar 2013 #149

Until now ... there was no reason for me to read these things. Thank you! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #153

You're welcome. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #154

There aren't enough psychiatrists in America to give that many tests per year. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #162

Oh crap! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #164

SMH Mr Dixon Mar 2013 #148

It really is obvious what is going on, to everyone but those steeped in guns. Hoyt Mar 2013 #152

0% of people who hate Michael Moore are progressives. Robb Mar 2013 #150

Nope RZM Mar 2013 #158

Heh. Well, there is a difference between disagreeing with his position on a matter Robb Mar 2013 #160

The 'quote' from Moore in the OP title is not complete and I think intentionally so. Unfair to the Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #151

Now show us the racial composition of the suburbs and rural areas hack89 Mar 2013 #155

How is that my job? I'm talking about what Moore actually said as opposed to what the OP typed. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #156

I agree the OP was inaccurate. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #157

And that was my point along with the fact that the inaccuracy is intentional. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #204

I agree with you. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #206

Moore pulled a Bachmann britaphilter Mar 2013 #168

36% of suburban homes have firearms. 26% of urban homes have firearms. 1 in 6 black homes have one. Xithras Mar 2013 #169

Actually, they have. baldguy Mar 2013 #173

Ultimately, the number of actual guns is a distraction from the real issue. Xithras Mar 2013 #176

The REAL issue is that there are too many god damned guns in circulation. baldguy Mar 2013 #178

You are correct when you write Jenoch Mar 2013 #185

If a nationwide confiscation would spark a violent resistance why promote a nationwide confiscation? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #215

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