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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
92. The evidence is there.
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:53 AM
Jan 2013

If the evidence were not there, the big banks would have fought the fines that were imposed on them much harder. The failure to pursue criminal charges isn't due to a lack of evidence or the vagueness of the law, it is the cost of prosecuting banks who can dedicate nearly unlimited resources to defend their CEOs, but provide no money to help consumers, neither depositors, nor borrowers, nor homeowners facing default.

It's simply the 1%'s excessive influence over Obama's administration that is the problem here. The work, the many hours, that would be involved in examining documents in boxes scares them away. There have been lawsuits, and, in a field in which the banks virtually wrote the laws because nobody else cared (at least not since the Depression), some of the lawsuits have been won or settled.

Marcy Kaptur advised homeowners in default to stay in their houses. If more of them had taken here advice, we might see a few more bankers in jail. Wall Street and our government pulled the wool over the eyes of a lot of Americans who do not understand that, with a mortgage, the bankers are the more sophisticated partner in the deal and more responsible for making sure the "i"s are dotted and the "t"s crossed. Many Americans who lost their homes because of defaults still don't understand what happened to them. The bankers and mortgage companies made calculated misjudgments (mistakes on purpose) in determining the risks in individual mortgage applications. The crisis was no accident. It was fraud, a mix of blatant misrepresentations to government authorities and banks to whom mortgages were sold and of concealment of the facts from investors and mortgage borrowers.

I contrast the experiences of some of my friends who applied for second mortgages during the Bush administration with ours when we applied for mortgages during other administrations. What passed for qualifying under Bush was a joke in many cases. We, however, were very limited as to how much money we could borrow on our income.

Bush made a State of the Union speech in which he announced something to the effect that even the poor would be able to buy houses under his administration. Maybe I should put on my tin-foil hat as I write this, but I firmly believe that the mortgage crisis was caused by the surreptitious attempt by the Bush administration to jump-start a failing economy following the dot.com bust on Wall Street.

The wars may have been, in part, a Bush stealth stimulus effort too. The Bush economic boom was a mirage. Today's economists, the economists of the Bush era, are and were pretty good mathematicians. And they have powerful computers at their fingertips. There is no excuse for what the Bush administration did to our economy. And there is even less excuse for what Wall Street and the banks did to it. There was fraud. I saw it myself. I stand firmly on this.

I loved the speech. Pisces Jan 2013 #1
The "takers" part stood out for me Renew Deal Jan 2013 #2
For me, too! panAmerican Jan 2013 #4
I soooo loved the last 2 sentences of this portion you posted. goblue316 Jan 2013 #24
Yes!!!!! tavalon Jan 2013 #94
far as I am concerned, his best speech ever! rurallib Jan 2013 #3
Absolutel brilliant speech Siwsan Jan 2013 #5
music to my ears: kpete Jan 2013 #8
I loved all but the foreshadowing upi402 Jan 2013 #6
He said reduce "health care" costs ecstatic Jan 2013 #14
Exactly, ecstatic.. no need to get Cha Jan 2013 #46
Certainly works for me. Always has. Hekate Jan 2013 #84
Heard the speech before, now I'd like action Myrina Jan 2013 #7
+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #10
Then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #11
Only Obama can pick a Chief Justice who will prosecute corporate criminals. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #55
The Chief Justices doesn't prosecute cases ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #64
Sorry. I meant to say Attorney General. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #79
I figured that's what you meant ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #80
The evidence is there. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #92
When citizens in Occupy got involved virgo7 Jan 2013 #15
Hush now. tblue Jan 2013 #38
Are you not grasping parallels between today's protests and past (Seneca Falls, Selma, Stonewall? proverbialwisdom Jan 2013 #77
Today's protests? tblue Jan 2013 #87
"Outworn programs"? What does that mean? forestpath Jan 2013 #9
I suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #12
Try reading the ENTIRE quote Glitterati Jan 2013 #18
I did read it. Your condescending defensiveness speaks for itself. forestpath Jan 2013 #19
Not the least bit defensive Glitterati Jan 2013 #23
It's funny how you told another poster this is a day to unite - when you forestpath Jan 2013 #25
What's that old saying...... Glitterati Jan 2013 #26
In other words, you couldn't answer my question so you resort to lame insults. forestpath Jan 2013 #27
There was no question Glitterati Jan 2013 #28
Funny, since you jumped all over me when I asked it. forestpath Jan 2013 #34
Asked and answered Glitterati Jan 2013 #35
All you did was take the opportunity to condescend. Another poster managed to answer me forestpath Jan 2013 #40
Excuse me.......all I did was paste a quote! Glitterati Jan 2013 #42
Oh, please. You posted personally to me in the same message, don't know why you'd deny it. forestpath Jan 2013 #43
Oh, jeeeezzzz! Glitterati Jan 2013 #44
'work harder' 'reach higher' = bootstrap stuff n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Son of Gob Jan 2013 #65
I'm sorry you ran into a nasty exchange when asking your question. Melinda Jan 2013 #32
Well said Melinda, thanks. xtraxritical Jan 2013 #53
Aww, thank you for the affirmation, xtracritical. I appreciate it very much. :-) Melinda Jan 2013 #72
I'm butting in here; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #66
You may very well be right. But just think how much more enjoyable DU could be if every question... Melinda Jan 2013 #71
I completely agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #73
Very good point! I completely agree. Politicub Jan 2013 #13
not really hfojvt Jan 2013 #16
^^THIS^^ Dawgs Jan 2013 #17
+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #20
This was an inaugural speech Glitterati Jan 2013 #21
that's all well and good hfojvt Jan 2013 #30
We will have to disagree Glitterati Jan 2013 #33
it might have been hfojvt Jan 2013 #39
I thought he made himself very clear Glitterati Jan 2013 #41
yes goblue316 Jan 2013 #31
It was an Inaugural speech, not a State of the Union address. pinto Jan 2013 #29
The 'State of the Union' speech will be next month on February 12th Tx4obama Jan 2013 #49
I am betting that speech will include something hfojvt Jan 2013 #54
Tax cuts for the "middle class" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #69
no, Keynesian economics involves government spending hfojvt Jan 2013 #74
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #75
admittedly, it has been almost a quarter century hfojvt Jan 2013 #76
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #78
of course they are stimulative hfojvt Jan 2013 #82
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #86
the difference is about a dimes worth hfojvt Jan 2013 #88
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #91
you seem to be missing some reading comprehension here hfojvt Jan 2013 #96
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #97
Yup RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #62
Actually the tax code is more progressive Son of Gob Jan 2013 #67
mouth frothing hatred hfojvt Jan 2013 #70
"Work harder"? Brickbat Jan 2013 #22
yeah that phrase stuck out too hfojvt Jan 2013 #37
"Learn more"? Son of Gob Jan 2013 #68
Some of that is very good: LWolf Jan 2013 #45
Whatever the President may want to do he still has this lame obstructionist RepubliCON Congress xtraxritical Jan 2013 #57
Of course. LWolf Jan 2013 #60
Thanks for the transcript. I teared up so many times I missed some of it. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #47
"...Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall..." Tx4obama Jan 2013 #48
I've waited a long time for a speech like this. santamargarita Jan 2013 #50
Yes, Thank you for posting.. absyntheminded Jan 2013 #51
The speech was great adieu Jan 2013 #52
President Obama is still working with an obstructionist Congress. xtraxritical Jan 2013 #58
Yes, I understand adieu Jan 2013 #59
There is no doubt that Obama gives great speeches, MadHound Jan 2013 #56
K&R ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #61
What A Beautiful Mosaic DallasNE Jan 2013 #63
K&R B Calm Jan 2013 #81
And we are loving it Hekate Jan 2013 #83
Spam deleted by cyberswede (MIR Team) sage advice Jan 2013 #85
Let 's get busy! Phentex Jan 2013 #89
It was a great speech. And not the thread to be shitting all over it. Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #90
Wow, we're citizens again! tavalon Jan 2013 #93
It's not a speech that people need Cal Carpenter Jan 2013 #95
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