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Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:22 PM

Obama is giving the speech liberals have begged him to give for four years.




Remarks of President Barack Obama – As Prepared for Delivery
Inaugural Address
Monday, January 21, 2013
Washington, DC

As Prepared for Delivery –

Vice President Biden, Mr. Chief Justice, Members of the United States Congress, distinguished guests, and fellow citizens:

Each time we gather to inaugurate a president, we bear witness to the enduring strength of our Constitution. We affirm the promise of our democracy. We recall that what binds this nation together is not the colors of our skin or the tenets of our faith or the origins of our names. What makes us exceptional – what makes us American – is our allegiance to an idea, articulated in a declaration made more than two centuries ago:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Today we continue a never-ending journey, to bridge the meaning of those words with the realities of our time. For history tells us that while these truths may be self-evident, they have never been self-executing; that while freedom is a gift from God, it must be secured by His people here on Earth. The patriots of 1776 did not fight to replace the tyranny of a king with the privileges of a few or the rule of a mob. They gave to us a Republic, a government of, and by, and for the people, entrusting each generation to keep safe our founding creed.

For more than two hundred years, we have.

Through blood drawn by lash and blood drawn by sword, we learned that no union founded on the principles of liberty and equality could survive half-slave and half-free. We made ourselves anew, and vowed to move forward together.

Together, we determined that a modern economy requires railroads and highways to speed travel and commerce; schools and colleges to train our workers.

Together, we discovered that a free market only thrives when there are rules to ensure competition and fair play.

Together, we resolved that a great nation must care for the vulnerable, and protect its people from life’s worst hazards and misfortune.

Through it all, we have never relinquished our skepticism of central authority, nor have we succumbed to the fiction that all society’s ills can be cured through government alone. Our celebration of initiative and enterprise; our insistence on hard work and personal responsibility, are constants in our character.

But we have always understood that when times change, so must we; that fidelity to our founding principles requires new responses to new challenges; that preserving our individual freedoms ultimately requires collective action. For the American people can no more meet the demands of today’s world by acting alone than American soldiers could have met the forces of fascism or communism with muskets and militias. No single person can train all the math and science teachers we’ll need to equip our children for the future, or build the roads and networks and research labs that will bring new jobs and businesses to our shores. Now, more than ever, we must do these things together, as one nation, and one people.

This generation of Americans has been tested by crises that steeled our resolve and proved our resilience. A decade of war is now ending. An economic recovery has begun. America’s possibilities are limitless, for we possess all the qualities that this world without boundaries demands: youth and drive; diversity and openness; an endless capacity for risk and a gift for reinvention. My fellow Americans, we are made for this moment, and we will seize it – so long as we seize it together.

For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it. We believe that America’s prosperity must rest upon the broad shoulders of a rising middle class. We know that America thrives when every person can find independence and pride in their work; when the wages of honest labor liberate families from the brink of hardship. We are true to our creed when a little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows that she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else, because she is an American, she is free, and she is equal, not just in the eyes of God but also in our own.

We understand that outworn programs are inadequate to the needs of our time. We must harness new ideas and technology to remake our government, revamp our tax code, reform our schools, and empower our citizens with the skills they need to work harder, learn more, and reach higher. But while the means will change, our purpose endures: a nation that rewards the effort and determination of every single American. That is what this moment requires. That is what will give real meaning to our creed.

We, the people, still believe that every citizen deserves a basic measure of security and dignity. We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit. But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future. For we remember the lessons of our past, when twilight years were spent in poverty, and parents of a child with a disability had nowhere to turn. We do not believe that in this country, freedom is reserved for the lucky, or happiness for the few. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, any one of us, at any time, may face a job loss, or a sudden illness, or a home swept away in a terrible storm. The commitments we make to each other – through Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security – these things do not sap our initiative; they strengthen us. They do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great.

We, the people, still believe that our obligations as Americans are not just to ourselves, but to all posterity. We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires, and crippling drought, and more powerful storms. The path towards sustainable energy sources will be long and sometimes difficult. But America cannot resist this transition; we must lead it. We cannot cede to other nations the technology that will power new jobs and new industries – we must claim its promise. That is how we will maintain our economic vitality and our national treasure – our forests and waterways; our croplands and snowcapped peaks. That is how we will preserve our planet, commanded to our care by God. That’s what will lend meaning to the creed our fathers once declared.

We, the people, still believe that enduring security and lasting peace do not require perpetual war. Our brave men and women in uniform, tempered by the flames of battle, are unmatched in skill and courage. Our citizens, seared by the memory of those we have lost, know too well the price that is paid for liberty. The knowledge of their sacrifice will keep us forever vigilant against those who would do us harm. But we are also heirs to those who won the peace and not just the war, who turned sworn enemies into the surest of friends, and we must carry those lessons into this time as well.

We will defend our people and uphold our values through strength of arms and rule of law. We will show the courage to try and resolve our differences with other nations peacefully – not because we are naïve about the dangers we face, but because engagement can more durably lift suspicion and fear. America will remain the anchor of strong alliances in every corner of the globe; and we will renew those institutions that extend our capacity to manage crisis abroad, for no one has a greater stake in a peaceful world than its most powerful nation. We will support democracy from Asia to Africa; from the Americas to the Middle East, because our interests and our conscience compel us to act on behalf of those who long for freedom. And we must be a source of hope to the poor, the sick, the marginalized, the victims of prejudice – not out of mere charity, but because peace in our time requires the constant advance of those principles that our common creed describes: tolerance and opportunity; human dignity and justice.

We, the people, declare today that the most evident of truths – that all of us are created equal – is the star that guides us still; just as it guided our forebears through Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall; just as it guided all those men and women, sung and unsung, who left footprints along this great Mall, to hear a preacher say that we cannot walk alone; to hear a King proclaim that our individual freedom is inextricably bound to the freedom of every soul on Earth.

It is now our generation’s task to carry on what those pioneers began. For our journey is not complete until our wives, our mothers, and daughters can earn a living equal to their efforts. Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law – for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well. Our journey is not complete until no citizen is forced to wait for hours to exercise the right to vote. Our journey is not complete until we find a better way to welcome the striving, hopeful immigrants who still see America as a land of opportunity; until bright young students and engineers are enlisted in our workforce rather than expelled from our country. Our journey is not complete until all our children, from the streets of Detroit to the hills of Appalachia to the quiet lanes of Newtown, know that they are cared for, and cherished, and always safe from harm.

That is our generation’s task – to make these words, these rights, these values – of Life, and Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness – real for every American. Being true to our founding documents does not require us to agree on every contour of life; it does not mean we will all define liberty in exactly the same way, or follow the same precise path to happiness. Progress does not compel us to settle centuries-long debates about the role of government for all time – but it does require us to act in our time.

For now decisions are upon us, and we cannot afford delay. We cannot mistake absolutism for principle, or substitute spectacle for politics, or treat name-calling as reasoned debate. We must act, knowing that our work will be imperfect. We must act, knowing that today’s victories will be only partial, and that it will be up to those who stand here in four years, and forty years, and four hundred years hence to advance the timeless spirit once conferred to us in a spare Philadelphia hall.

My fellow Americans, the oath I have sworn before you today, like the one recited by others who serve in this Capitol, was an oath to God and country, not party or faction – and we must faithfully execute that pledge during the duration of our service. But the words I spoke today are not so different from the oath that is taken each time a soldier signs up for duty, or an immigrant realizes her dream. My oath is not so different from the pledge we all make to the flag that waves above and that fills our hearts with pride.

They are the words of citizens, and they represent our greatest hope.

You and I, as citizens, have the power to set this country’s course.

You and I, as citizens, have the obligation to shape the debates of our time – not only with the votes we cast, but with the voices we lift in defense of our most ancient values and enduring ideals.

Let each of us now embrace, with solemn duty and awesome joy, what is our lasting birthright. With common effort and common purpose, with passion and dedication, let us answer the call of history, and carry into an uncertain future that precious light of freedom.

Thank you, God Bless you, and may He forever bless these United States of America.


http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-inaugural-address.html

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Reply Obama is giving the speech liberals have begged him to give for four years. (Original post)
kpete Jan 2013 OP
Pisces Jan 2013 #1
Renew Deal Jan 2013 #2
panAmerican Jan 2013 #4
goblue316 Jan 2013 #24
tavalon Jan 2013 #94
rurallib Jan 2013 #3
Siwsan Jan 2013 #5
kpete Jan 2013 #8
upi402 Jan 2013 #6
ecstatic Jan 2013 #14
Cha Jan 2013 #46
Hekate Jan 2013 #84
Myrina Jan 2013 #7
forestpath Jan 2013 #10
1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #11
JDPriestly Jan 2013 #55
1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #64
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forestpath Jan 2013 #9
1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #12
Glitterati Jan 2013 #18
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leftstreet Jan 2013 #36
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:23 PM

1. I loved the speech.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:24 PM

2. The "takers" part stood out for me

"We, the people, still believe that every citizen deserves a basic measure of security and dignity. We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit. But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future. For we remember the lessons of our past, when twilight years were spent in poverty, and parents of a child with a disability had nowhere to turn. We do not believe that in this country, freedom is reserved for the lucky, or happiness for the few. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, any one of us, at any time, may face a job loss, or a sudden illness, or a home swept away in a terrible storm. The commitments we make to each other – through Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security – these things do not sap our initiative; they strengthen us. They do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great."


I don't know why so many people are so shortsighted on this.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

4. For me, too!

I remember that four years ago, the other side barely waited for the inauguration to end before they started fighting this president. Now Pres. Obama is the one who's coming out of the gates swinging and setting the tone for the second term. It's about time!

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:12 PM

24. I soooo loved the last 2 sentences of this portion you posted.

I have said for years what we do for the poorest among us, doesn't make our Country weak; it makes our Country Stronger. When you uplift one life, you lift up the many who are affected by that one.

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Response to goblue316 (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:28 AM

94. Yes!!!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

3. far as I am concerned, his best speech ever!

maybe democracy can come back?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

5. Absolutel brilliant speech

I kept jumping up and clapping, and scaring the cats.

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:34 PM

8. music to my ears:

A decade of war is now ending.


PEACE?!?

please let it be true

kp

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:29 PM

6. I loved all but the foreshadowing

Reducing the cost of our paid-for entitlements is 'dogwhistle' for 'I'm getting kicked in the brains again'.

Contrast this great speech to W's... LOL
:p

I hope this signals 4 years of rope-a-dope are over and he gets tough on the corporatists.

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Response to upi402 (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:48 PM

14. He said reduce "health care" costs

In my opinion, that's working to make sure that one night in the hospital doesn't cost $10,000! Don't you think that's worth addressing, regardless of whose paying?

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:51 PM

46. Exactly, ecstatic.. no need to get

paranoid about that.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:43 PM

84. Certainly works for me. Always has.

For gods' sake, our system of charges is insane.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:33 PM

7. Heard the speech before, now I'd like action

Maybe he needs a hearing aid because he keeps saying stuff about citizens getting involved but apparently didn't hear anything millions of us have said over the past 4 years about prosecuting corporate criminals, ending fracking, reducing military spending, Occupy, not touching medicare/medicaid or decriminalizing marijo ...

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Response to Myrina (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:40 PM

10. +1

 

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Response to Myrina (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:44 PM

11. Then ...

You missed a big part of the speech.

BTW, millions haven't said, anything:

about prosecuting corporate criminals, ending fracking, reducing military spending, Occupy, not touching medicare/medicaid or decriminalizing marijo ...


A few 100,000, maybe, have said that President Obama (and apparently, President Obama alone ... not Congress, not the people) should do something about these issues.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:20 PM

55. Only Obama can pick a Chief Justice who will prosecute corporate criminals.

The Congress sets up the budget and allocates spending, but what is actually spent by our military is decided ultimately although not in detail by our president. President Obama could cut some of the military spending by himself. Not all of it, but he could lead the way to cut-backs without Congress.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #55)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:43 PM

64. The Chief Justices doesn't prosecute cases ...

Whatever President Obama cuts from the military won't be enough for those suggesting "all he has to do is ...", as evidenced by the fact that he HAS cut military spending, on his own; yet there continues to be "all he has to do is ..." posts.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #64)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:17 PM

79. Sorry. I meant to say Attorney General.

I think my brain misfired. Thanks for catching it.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #79)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:06 PM

80. I figured that's what you meant ...

but still, with the AG, there has to be a criminal case to be prosecuted. It's not for nothing that, while there are plenty of investigative journalists and academics calling for legal action, there are very few in the legal community calling for prosecutions. Yes, this may be the result of a thoroughly corrupt legal system; but while we can agree that the banksters engaged in amoral conduct, this doesn't necessarily equate to provable criminal misconduct. Much of what was done "wrong" was within the bounds of the law, and that that wasn't, from what I can gather, violated civil, rather than criminal, law.

Yes ... I would like to see the banksters held to account; but being a nation beholdened to the rule of law, there must be a there there and bad outcomes don't necessarily equate to criminal violations ... and many criminal violations, despite our desires, are not prosecutable in the real world. Frequently, prosecutors must weigh the likelihood of conviction against the "bad law" created by an unfavorable decision and the fall-out of a conviction.

We don't like to look at that; but, in the real world, these all factor into the prosecute/no prosecute decision.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #80)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:53 AM

92. The evidence is there.

If the evidence were not there, the big banks would have fought the fines that were imposed on them much harder. The failure to pursue criminal charges isn't due to a lack of evidence or the vagueness of the law, it is the cost of prosecuting banks who can dedicate nearly unlimited resources to defend their CEOs, but provide no money to help consumers, neither depositors, nor borrowers, nor homeowners facing default.

It's simply the 1%'s excessive influence over Obama's administration that is the problem here. The work, the many hours, that would be involved in examining documents in boxes scares them away. There have been lawsuits, and, in a field in which the banks virtually wrote the laws because nobody else cared (at least not since the Depression), some of the lawsuits have been won or settled.

Marcy Kaptur advised homeowners in default to stay in their houses. If more of them had taken here advice, we might see a few more bankers in jail. Wall Street and our government pulled the wool over the eyes of a lot of Americans who do not understand that, with a mortgage, the bankers are the more sophisticated partner in the deal and more responsible for making sure the "i"s are dotted and the "t"s crossed. Many Americans who lost their homes because of defaults still don't understand what happened to them. The bankers and mortgage companies made calculated misjudgments (mistakes on purpose) in determining the risks in individual mortgage applications. The crisis was no accident. It was fraud, a mix of blatant misrepresentations to government authorities and banks to whom mortgages were sold and of concealment of the facts from investors and mortgage borrowers.

I contrast the experiences of some of my friends who applied for second mortgages during the Bush administration with ours when we applied for mortgages during other administrations. What passed for qualifying under Bush was a joke in many cases. We, however, were very limited as to how much money we could borrow on our income.

Bush made a State of the Union speech in which he announced something to the effect that even the poor would be able to buy houses under his administration. Maybe I should put on my tin-foil hat as I write this, but I firmly believe that the mortgage crisis was caused by the surreptitious attempt by the Bush administration to jump-start a failing economy following the dot.com bust on Wall Street.

The wars may have been, in part, a Bush stealth stimulus effort too. The Bush economic boom was a mirage. Today's economists, the economists of the Bush era, are and were pretty good mathematicians. And they have powerful computers at their fingertips. There is no excuse for what the Bush administration did to our economy. And there is even less excuse for what Wall Street and the banks did to it. There was fraud. I saw it myself. I stand firmly on this.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:52 PM

15. When citizens in Occupy got involved

 

they were penned up and marginalized.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:29 PM

38. Hush now.

We're not sposed to say that. Not today. <wink> He gave a great speech. Who is surprised? He always does!

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Response to tblue (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:53 PM

77. Are you not grasping parallels between today's protests and past (Seneca Falls, Selma, Stonewall?

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #77)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:58 PM

87. Today's protests?

Seriously. What and when?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:39 PM

9. "Outworn programs"? What does that mean?

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:46 PM

12. I suspect ...

he means programs that were establish but are not meeting the need and need to be re-vamped.

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Response to forestpath (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:04 PM

18. Try reading the ENTIRE quote

We understand that outworn programs are inadequate to the needs of our time.

We must harness new ideas and technology to remake our government, revamp our tax code, reform our schools, and empower our citizens with the skills they need to work harder, learn more, and reach higher.

But while the means will change, our purpose endures: a nation that rewards the effort and determination of every single American.

That is what this moment requires. That is what will give real meaning to our creed.


He made himself VERY clear. Here, let me help you understand, sentence by sentence.

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Response to Glitterati (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:06 PM

19. I did read it. Your condescending defensiveness speaks for itself.

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:09 PM

23. Not the least bit defensive

I'm happy, inspired, united, proud.

You, on the other hand just can't stand it, can you? Poor baby......awwwww......

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Response to Glitterati (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:13 PM

25. It's funny how you told another poster this is a day to unite - when you

 

are so busy belittling posters who dare to question President Obama.

Our rights to do that aren't suspended on Inauguration Day, no matter what you seem to think.

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Response to forestpath (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:14 PM

26. What's that old saying......

It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.

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Response to Glitterati (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:19 PM

27. In other words, you couldn't answer my question so you resort to lame insults.

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:20 PM

28. There was no question

questions are sentences that end in a question mark. Didn't see one......

Must have missed it.



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Response to Glitterati (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:27 PM

34. Funny, since you jumped all over me when I asked it.

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:27 PM

35. Asked and answered

I'm really sorry you just can't seem to grasp the concept of reading.

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Response to Glitterati (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:35 PM

40. All you did was take the opportunity to condescend. Another poster managed to answer me

 

without resorting to that.

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Response to forestpath (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:38 PM

42. Excuse me.......all I did was paste a quote!

I'm truly sorry you find Barack Obama's words so condescending.

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Response to Glitterati (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:43 PM

43. Oh, please. You posted personally to me in the same message, don't know why you'd deny it.

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #43)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:45 PM

44. Oh, jeeeezzzz!

More cherry picking. You do that a lot.

It seems that's exactly what started this conversation........your inability to read and understand context.......

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Response to Glitterati (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:28 PM

36. 'work harder' 'reach higher' = bootstrap stuff n/t

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Response to forestpath (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:23 PM

32. I'm sorry you ran into a nasty exchange when asking your question.

I don't understand why some feel the need to act smarmy towards others, but they do. It's a natural defense to respond as you did, but the end result is a discordant environment in which any attempt at open and honest discussion and exchange of ideas is reduced to a shit wallow.

Please consider ignoring posters who do this to you in the future. Refusing to engage makes for a more enjoyable experience not only for me and you, but for those who come here to read and hopefully learn.

Thanks for listening.

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Response to Melinda (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:19 PM

53. Well said Melinda, thanks.

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #53)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:13 PM

72. Aww, thank you for the affirmation, xtracritical. I appreciate it very much. :-)

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Response to Melinda (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:56 PM

66. I'm butting in here; but ...

I doubt, based on the history of posts, that there was any attempt at open and honest discussion and exchange of ideas in that portion of the thread ... just another in a long line of "opportunities" to criticize this President for some invented outrage point.

But that's just my speculative opinion.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #66)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:12 PM

71. You may very well be right. But just think how much more enjoyable DU could be if every question...

were responded to affirmatively? And once answered, we've shared and can move on. If the poster is looking to stir it up, we then recognize trollish behavior and knowing we did our best to come from a good place to help, and leave that particular discussion.

In my 12 year DU experience, I've observed DU devolve from a welcoming group of like minded people looking for open and honest discussion to an atmosphere of suspicion and mistrust. Granted, with growth comes... issues. And these issues will always be present. But I believe we can and should do our individual best as liberals (in every sense of the word) to promote and support DU's mission statement and our place here.

I choose to try and come from a place of love and light (albeit I fail often); it helps keep me centered and emotionally healthy (as healthy as I can be anyway, lol). Others mileage varies. But being the Pollyanna that I am at my core, I have no choice but to try and proactively promote peace.

I'm one screwed-up human, indeed DU is filled with examples of my failings. But today I am going to try my heartfelt best to be the good woman I know I am down inside where I hide.

Respectfully,

-Mel, the ever hopeful

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Response to Melinda (Reply #71)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:17 PM

73. I completely agree ...

in fact, that pretty much sums up how I got to my NY's Resolution!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:47 PM

13. Very good point! I completely agree.

Wasn't thinking of the speech in those terms, but it's absolutely true.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:55 PM

16. not really

rather than give a speech with platitudes about inequality

I would rather see him give a speech where he actually proposes some policies to actually reduce inequality

you know, things like a stronger and better safety net, and a more progressive tax code.

Of course, that ship has already sailed out of the port since Obama himself just took steps to make the tax code less progressive and to increase inequality. And it is going to be impossible to put that evil back into Pandora's box.

But the pretty words were nice, in some ways. But in some ways, not so much. For example, what the fuck does "revamp the tax code" mean? I mean, if I was going to revamp it, I would do things like close loopholes and RAISE rates. But Obama has defined "revamp" as meaning "LOWER" rates.

In other words, for all of his pretty words, he intends apparently to make the tax code less progressive and our country more unequal as the rich will clearly benefit the most from any sort of lowering of rates.

Without specific proposals, words like "revamp our tax code" and "reform our schools" do not necessarily mean anything positive, because we typically hear those same buzz words from Republicans too. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/91

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:01 PM

17. ^^THIS^^

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:07 PM

20. +1

 

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:07 PM

21. This was an inaugural speech

not a campaign speech.

It's meant to inspire, to empower, to enlist.....to unite.....

The campaign is over. He won. Now is the time to pull the nation together.

Today is a day to celebrate and unite.



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Response to Glitterati (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:22 PM

30. that's all well and good

however, unlike what the OP says it is NOT the speech that liberals have begged him to give for years.

At least I would want to see a speech with some specifice proposals.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:23 PM

33. We will have to disagree

I thought it was the best inaugural speech I've ever heard. Better than JFK's Ask Not.

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Response to Glitterati (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:32 PM

39. it might have been

the speech in Osawatomie was pretty good too

but will this speech result in Obama actually proposing and fighting for some progressive policies.

THAT is what liberals have been begging him to do for years.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:36 PM

41. I thought he made himself very clear

He called out the Republicans, the Teabaggers, the nasties. In very clear and concise language.

He explained in clear and convincing language that We.....the People......are coming, united.

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Response to Glitterati (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:23 PM

31. yes

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:21 PM

29. It was an Inaugural speech, not a State of the Union address.

I thought he set out broad themes for things we all find important. And, fwiw, I found his mention of Stonewall and GLBT legal rights personally powerful.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:09 PM

49. The 'State of the Union' speech will be next month on February 12th

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #49)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:19 PM

54. I am betting that speech will include something

about how great Obama was to cut taxes for "the middle class".

So far, he has used every SOTU to push the Reaganomics mantra of "tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts".

Boy, I can hardly wait until the 12th.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #54)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:05 PM

69. Tax cuts for the "middle class" ...

What President Obama has done, is not a part of reaganomics, but it IS a form of keynesian economics that Krugman and others advocate.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #69)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:29 PM

74. no, Keynesian economics involves government spending

using tax cuts as a Keynesian stimulus is "inverse" Keynesian economics, or just another description of Reaganomics.

The Republican message has long been "tax cuts stimulate the economy" and "tax cuts for the rich are really tax cuts for the middle class and poor".

Obama has helped to spread that message

taking the side of Colyer, and against me
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=153x9435

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #74)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:48 PM

75. Okay ...

hfojvt ... I'm gonna give you a chance to re-think that. Tax cuts for the middle class are keynesian stimulative measures according to just about every economist. The republican message is not that tax cuts stimulate the economy, they are saying tax cuts for the wealthy stimulate the economy. See the difference?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #75)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:38 PM

76. admittedly, it has been almost a quarter century

since I studied Keynes in graduate school.

And as a young socialist, I did not put a lot of stock in Keynes anyway.

But wiki makes no mention of tax cuts as fiscal policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics#Active_fiscal_policy

you know who consistently argued that tax cuts stimulate the economy?

George W. Bush

"My tax relief plan is a fair one, lowering the rate for all taxpayers. The typical family of four with two children will get $1,600 in tax relief. And the greatest benefits, the largest percentage reductions, will go to those who need them most. My plan is pro-growth. It gives our economy a jump-start by leaving more money in the hands of those who have earned it." Feb 17, 2001

"The tax relief is for everyone who pays income taxes -- and it will help our economy immediately: 92 million Americans will keep, this year, an average of almost $1,000 more of their own money. A family of four with an income of $40,000 would see their federal income taxes fall from $1,178 to $45 per year. (Applause.) Our plan will improve the bottom line for more than 23 million small businesses." Jan. 28, 2003

"We need tax relief that creates the greatest number of jobs. (Applause.) The goal is to create a million new jobs by the end of next year. I've submitted a good, strong plan that will help meet that goal. The United States Congress must not only listen to your voice, but must listen to the voice of somebody looking for work. We need aggressive action out of the United States Congress now." May 6, 2003


Who also kept saying that his tax cuts favored the middle class?

George W. Bush

"The President's tax plan provides relief for every income taxpayer; however, it gives the lowest income families the greatest percentage reduction. Indeed, higher income individuals will pay a higher share of income taxes after this plan takes effect. (See Chart 2–2.)" Feb. 28, 2001

Just like Obama, they NEVER publicly admit that their tax cuts favor the rich.

"My plan dramatically reduces the marginal rate on many low-income earners, rewarding overtime or a hard-won raise, encouraging Americans on their path to the middle class." Feb 8, 2001

"When you hear the debate about this kind of class warfare, rhetoric about, oh, this is for the rich, only for the rich -- I want you to think about the Joe Kempers of the world. I certainly will. A fellow who worked for our government, and now a fellow who we trust with that $3,500, because it's his money. And when he invests it, it's going to have a positive effect. All the Joe Kempers of the world taking that extra money and investing it will mean somebody else is likely to find a job, and that's important for our fellow Americans to understand." Feb 12, 2003

"Oh, you'll hear the talk about how this plan only helps the rich people. That's just typical Washington, D.C. political rhetoric, is what that is. That's just empty rhetoric. This plan for a family of four making $40,000 a year would see their tax bill go from $1,178 a year, to $45 a year." May 12, 2003


Oh, and when Obama made most of the Bush tax cuts permanent, doing so massively favored the wealthy, as I have mentioned before. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022130101

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #76)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:09 PM

78. Well ...

My studies of econ are less than a quarter century old; but nothing has changed in its basis. If you studied it at all, socialist or otherwise, you would know that tax cuts to the middle and working classes are stimulative, in a true Keynesian manner.

It doesn't matter that Bush advocated for tax cuts that included the middle class, that doesn't make it any less Keynesian or stimulative ... Hell, tax cuts to the wealthy are Keynesian stimulative measures, though admittedly, far less stimulative than tax cuts to the middle and working classes.

Maybe you should google "middle class tax cuts+stimulative+Krugman", it might give you a better footing than wiki.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #78)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:24 PM

82. of course they are stimulative

but Keynesian stimulus was based on spending, not on tax cuts.

I still remember teaching in Econ 101 that $100 million in government spending + $100 million in tax increases would increase the GDP by $100 million.

"Stimulating" the economy with tax cuts is basic Reaganomics.

So is cutting taxes for the rich, while claiming you are cutting taxes for everybody.

The Obusha tax cuts give $370 billion to the bottom 40% and $1.3 trillion to the richest 5%.

They are no more "middle class tax cuts" than the original Bush tax cuts were. No matter what some lying sack of politician claims.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #82)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:50 PM

86. Well ...

I still remember teaching in Econ 101 that $100 million in government spending + $100 million in tax increases would increase the GDP by $100 million.


Maybe you need to re-visit econ 101, for a number of reasons, the least of which because this is NOT Econ 101. But further, the above is incorrect ... $100 million in government spending + $100 million in tax CUTS would increase the GDP by an indeterminate amount; but the estimate would be $100 million (the government spending) plus the marginal spending of those realizing the tax cut. There is a matrix that estimates, by income level, the marginal spending increase visa vis tax cuts (but I don't have access to it right now ... I will look for it if you wish) ... that indicates that the lower the income level, the higher the percentage of spending of tax cuts realized. IOW, tax cuts for the middle and working classes have more stimulus effect than tax cuts for the wealthy ... and this is the difference between the bush tax cuts and those of President Obama.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #86)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:13 AM

88. the difference is about a dimes worth

the Bush tax cuts were $1.9 trillion for the top five percent and the Obama tax cuts are $1.3 trillion for the top 5%.

Still heavily favoring the rich over the middle and working class.

But clearly you are very heavily invested in denial. In your world, apparently the top 5% are part of the "middle" or $1.3 trillion is somehow a lot smaller than $370 billion.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #88)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:10 AM

91. LOL ...

"clearly very heavily invested in denial. In your world, apparently the top 5% are part of the "middle" or $1.3 trillion is somehow a lot smaller than $370 billion."



First, you incorrectly "argue" that middle class tax cuts are not stimulative (they are); then, you "argue" that President Obama's tax cuts are the same as Bush's tax cuts (they are not); now you "argue" that more tax cuts should have gone to the bottom 95%, as if I have even mentioned it (I have not).

No, what is clear is that you have run out of academic (fact-based) argumentation, so you have taken to strawman building. I hope you are better at that than "teaching" Econ 101 (You are not).

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #91)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:56 AM

96. you seem to be missing some reading comprehension here

I never argued that tax cuts for the middle class were not stimulative.

I argued that the tax cut mantra is not Keynesian, and I stand by that. The tax cut mantra is Reaganomics. I also clearly demonstrated that Bush himself was making a Keynesian, or demand side argument, for his tax cuts. Second, I also clearly demonstrated that Bush, just like Obama, straight up lied about where and to whom his tax cuts went.

My argument from the start

Post #54 In his SOTU, Obama is gonna brag about his tax cuts for the "middle class", thereby endorsing Reaganomics.

Note how I put "middle class" in quotes. Thus to emphasize the FACT that Obama's tax cuts are not really middle class tax cuts even though he insists on calling them that.

In post #74 I further spelled that out

"The Republican message has long been "tax cuts stimulate the economy" and "tax cuts for the rich are really tax cuts for the middle class and poor". "

post #76 I argued that Obama's tax cuts are ALMOST the same as the Bush tax cuts (they certainly are)

"Oh, and when Obama made most of the Bush tax cuts permanent, doing so massively favored the wealthy, as I have mentioned before. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022130101"


and as for this last line of your own paragraph of strawmen

"now you "argue" that more tax cuts should have gone to the bottom 95%, as if I have even mentioned it (I have not). "


You DID argue that Obama was cutting taxes for the middle class (post #69). Well a true "middle class tax cut" should give more tax cuts to the bottom 95% and less to the top 5%. 35% of the Obama tax cuts goto the top 5%, only 9% of them goto the middle 20%.

But I understand. Rather than change your mind about the facts, you would rather just insult me. That's basic human nature. "Given a choice between a) changing their mind and b) proving that there is no need to do so, most people will get busy on the proof."

But the fact is, no matter how much Obama wants to brag about them and lie about them, his tax cuts are NOT middle class tax cuts. They are tax cuts for the rich. And cutting taxes for the rich is what Reaganomics is all about. That's the fact I started with and the fact that is still on my side.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #96)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:19 PM

97. Okay. n/t

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:52 PM

62. Yup

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:57 PM

67. Actually the tax code is more progressive

If you weren't filled with mouth frothing hatred you'd see that.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:08 PM

70. mouth frothing hatred

well, I certainly do hate inequality and also hate liars

I know that makes me a bad person

the tax code does not become more progressive by giving $1.3 trillion in tax cuts to the top 5% and $370 to the bottom 40%. It becomes less progressive - massively so.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:08 PM

22. "Work harder"?

WTF does he think we're doing?

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:29 PM

37. yeah that phrase stuck out too

the royals want the canaille to work harder

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:58 PM

68. "Learn more"?

Who the fuck does he think he is telling us to learn stuff!! DERP!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:10 PM

45. Some of that is very good:

"...a free market only thrives when there are rules to ensure competition and fair play."

Will he embrace fair trade based on strong environmental and labor standards?

"For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it. We believe that America’s prosperity must rest upon the broad shoulders of a rising middle class."

Will he abandon the neoliberal economic policies that have widened the economic gap and embrace economic policies that will shrink it?

"We, the people, still believe that enduring security and lasting peace do not require perpetual war."

I believe that, anyway. If that's what he believed, he might have taken more decisive action to end the perpetual war on terror sooner.

"We, the people, still believe that every citizen deserves a basic measure of security and dignity. We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit. But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future. For we remember the lessons of our past, when twilight years were spent in poverty, and parents of a child with a disability had nowhere to turn. We do not believe that in this country, freedom is reserved for the lucky, or happiness for the few. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, any one of us, at any time, may face a job loss, or a sudden illness, or a home swept away in a terrible storm. The commitments we make to each other – through Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security – these things do not sap our initiative; they strengthen us. They do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great. "

I assume this means that he will embrace fighting for single-payer, not-for-profit health care, which is what is required to make that care actually affordable; that he will never allow SS or medicare or medicaid on the table for cuts or for changes that reduce benefits in anyway, and that he will champion beefing up the protections they offer.

"We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations."

How will we respond? Will we revamp our tax structure to include carbon taxes, and deductions for those that reduce the carbon footprint they leave?

"For now decisions are upon us, and we cannot afford delay. We cannot mistake absolutism for principle, or substitute spectacle for politics, or treat name-calling as reasoned debate. We must act, knowing that our work will be imperfect. We must act, knowing that today’s victories will be only partial, and that it will be up to those who stand here in four years, and forty years, and four hundred years hence to advance the timeless spirit once conferred to us in a spare Philadelphia hall. "

How does this work in practice? Does it mean that DUers, listening to his urging, will stop calling each other and every non-Democrat names? That he will stand up for, and fight for, principles and ideas that may take many years to become part of policy? Or does it mean that standing on principle is "absolutism," and that we continue to allow our principles to be eroded in the name of "compromise?"

What makes it good, though, is the action he takes. Will he walk the talk, or continue to speak eloquently while walking a neoliberal path?

Some of it is, frankly, the reason why I have never been a fan:

"We understand that outworn programs are inadequate to the needs of our time. We must harness new ideas and technology to remake our government, revamp our tax code, reform our schools, and empower our citizens with the skills they need to work harder, learn more, and reach higher. But while the means will change, our purpose endures: a nation that rewards the effort and determination of every single American."

To me, "outworn programs" is a phrase engineered to continue eroding public education, social security, and other important PUBLIC programs. "Reform our schools" is not even code; after 4 years, his neoliberal policies for privatization and public education destruction are blatant, and the effects have been harmful. "Work harder?" Really? Like we aren't already working harder and harder for less and less? That has the unpleasant taste of conservative bigotry, that those on the bottom rungs of society are there because they chose to be there, because they are too lazy to work hard enough. As a teacher, I've learned that I'm to blame for every social ill, that I "suck," as does the public system I work in, that I'm lazy, and that I need to work more than the 10-12 hours I already put in on a paid 8 hour contract, and that I need to do it for less money. "Means will change" means, to me, more privatization.

"We will support democracy from Asia to Africa; from the Americas to the Middle East, because our interests and our conscience compel us to act on behalf of those who long for freedom."

This smacks of empire to me. "Our interests" = corporate interests.

All in all a mixed bag. Time will tell how much is sincere, and how much propaganda.












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Response to LWolf (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:27 PM

57. Whatever the President may want to do he still has this lame obstructionist RepubliCON Congress

 

to deal with.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #57)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:49 PM

60. Of course.

What counts with me is the stand he takes; whether or not he walks the talk and keeps working for the ideal, not whether or not he is able to make miracles happen.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:53 PM

47. Thanks for the transcript. I teared up so many times I missed some of it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:07 PM

48. "...Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall..."


-snip-

We, the people, declare today that the most evident of truths – that all of us are created equal – is the star that guides us still; just as it guided our forebears through Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall; just as it guided all those men and women, sung and unsung, who left footprints along this great Mall, to hear a preacher say that we cannot walk alone; to hear a King proclaim that our individual freedom is inextricably bound to the freedom of every soul on Earth.

-snip-



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:10 PM

50. I've waited a long time for a speech like this.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:13 PM

51. Yes, Thank you for posting..


Sadly, I missed the speech. Very uplifting and inspiring.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:17 PM

52. The speech was great

I'm more concerned whether he will be able to act upon it. That's the biggest gripe I, and possibly others here on DU, have with Obama. It's one thing to have an ass like Romney saying things like, "We should reform social security.." (meaning destroy it), and then do it. And it's far another to say, "We must strengthen social security.." and do nothing towards doing so.

Talk's cheap. Actions speaks louder than words. I expect to hold Obama to his words, as much as I like to hear them.

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Response to adieu (Reply #52)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:30 PM

58. President Obama is still working with an obstructionist Congress.

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #58)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:48 PM

59. Yes, I understand

Perhaps I was looking for more into the speech. I know that in the first four years, Obama basically ignored any penalties or enforcement of laws on the financial sector, as well as the previous administration's flouting of international laws and unjustified aggression, as well as that administration's encroachment into our personal civil liberties.

He made little mention about those at today's speech.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:20 PM

56. There is no doubt that Obama gives great speeches,

 

It his actions that are the problem at times.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:50 PM

61. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:03 PM

63. What A Beautiful Mosaic

For a mosaic to be finished we must know how it began and this speech does a beautiful job of going back to the beginning and reminding us of the masterful strokes that provided the framework for this work in progress that is America. It is both aspirational and inspirational -- a feat not easy to pull off -- while being clear and certain on what the next strokes in that work will be. Indeed, we seniors are not takers and people to be scorned. We pulled our weight and earned our station in life and you had better believe that we will not stand by and allow the true takers to rob us of our dignity in our golden years. Very well said Mr. President. Very well said indeed.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:14 PM

81. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:41 PM

83. And we are loving it

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:59 AM

89. Let 's get busy!

Kick

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:05 AM

90. It was a great speech. And not the thread to be shitting all over it.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:27 AM

93. Wow, we're citizens again!

Not consumers. Wow, beautiful.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:47 AM

95. It's not a speech that people need

It is policy results that improve their conditions.

And no, I am not implying that Obama is responsible for everything related to policy, just pointing out that speeches don't mean shit if you can't feed or shoe your children, you can't go to the doctor, you fear job losses (if you even have one) and so on...

I don't know anyone who has begged Obama for a good speech.

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