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shireen

(8,333 posts)
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:11 PM Jan 2013

Good post on gun control on FB, starting to go viral [View all]

This guy, Josh Fielder, posted his thoughts on FB about the gun control issue, and it's starting to go viral because so many people think it's a well-researched thoughful post. Even most people who disagree with him have been civil!

So far, it has over 65k likes, shared by over 41k, and i imagine more people have "liked" it where it was re-shared. If you're on FB and like his post, please go "like" it. I think he'll get a kick out of seeing so many people appreciate it.

Few hours ago, Fielder posted on his wall that he's amazed at the reaction to a status update! LOL!

I'm posting his original post in its entirety here because not everyone at DU does FB. I'm sure Fielder won't mind.

https://www.facebook.com/Josh.Fielder/posts/4048262014066


So, here's my two cents (which will end up being closer to $1.50 I'm sure) and I'm sure I will regret posting this later, due to the "friends" I will lose while exercising my First Amendment, but here goes.

Instead of posting a meme with a picture and a falsely attributed quote or a made up statistic, I've spent my time researching the gun violence/gun control debate. And I'd like to talk about some of the pervasive themes I've seen lately.

First off, Hitler did not say "In order to conquer a country, you must first disarm its citizens." In fact, Hitler made it his position to enable guns to be obtained more easily. http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/disarm.asp

Secondly, the presidents, and I mean ALL of them, and their families, receive death threats on a daily basis. President Obama did not enact the regulations that REQUIRE Secret Service protection for him and his family. If you believe your children are as much of a target as the president's children, then you have a self inflated idea of your position in this world. http://www.secretservice.gov/protection.shtml

Thirdly, there is NO law or bill being considered that would allow anyone to come marching into your home to take your legally obtained and legally owned firearms. There are possible laws that are being explored that would require more responsibility on the part of the gun owner or person purchasing a gun (i.e. pass a background check even if buying a gun from a gun show dealer). If you buy a car from a dealer it must be registered (a record of the transfer is documented). If you buy a car from a private citizen, it must be registered. If you buy a gun from a dealer, there is a record of that sale and it is registered. So how is it illogical to require the same for private sales of firearms?

Fourth, there are not more people being killed with baseball bats than guns. If you disagree with that because you saw a picture stating otherwise on the internet, then I would like to offer you the chance to buy some oceanfront property in Arizona and I'll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge for free. There is no magical solution for solving the problem of gun violence. THAT is what we need to solve. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/baseballbats.asp

We don't ban cars that are used in DUI related deaths, but we do enact regulations regarding blood alcohol limits, prosecute people who enable a drunk driver to operate a vehicle after serving them, promote a DUI campaign raising awareness and educating drivers on the dangers of driving while intoxicated. All of which has reduced DUI related fatalities by over 40% in a decade. http://www.centurycouncil.org/drunk-driving/drunk-driving-statistics

The media is not hiding other gun related stories because they want to sensationalize the problem, they are simply unable to cover every gun death story because there would be an average of 80 of them each day. So they concentrate (unfortunately) on the massacres which I think we can all agree, happen all too often.

I find the fact that more children are killed in the US by guns than in the entire Middle East region, very disturbing.

I find it disturbing that the NRA blames the rise in violent shootings on video games and then comes out with its own shooting video game (categorized for children as young as 4 years of age) less than a month after Newtown.

I find it disturbing that other countries spend in excess of twice as much as the US on violent video games and have a small fraction of the amount of gun related deaths/injuries.

I find it disturbing that instead of looking for a solution to a problem like Newtown, there are people wasting their time and energy by trying to turn it into a conspiracy theory.

I find it disturbing that guns are the third largest killer of children ages 5-14 in the US.

I find it disturbing that a child in America is 12 times more likely to be killed with a gun than the rest of the "developed" world.

I find it disturbing that there are more guns privately owned in America than the next SEVENTEEN countries combined.

I find it disturbing that all of these statistics are not discussed but fake statistics about a baseball bat death rate are plastered everywhere.

I find it disturbing that some people believe that the ONLY answer to this problem is more guns.

Banning all firearms is NOT the answer, which is exactly why it's not being proposed. This country has enacted laws that didn't work before, so they've been revised, repealed, reformed, etc. It's ludicrous to think that as a society, we evolve, but the laws governing us cannot? The NRA states that the assault weapons ban didn't work the first time. Well, you know what they say, "If at first you don't succeed, f*%k it.".

If armed guards are the only answer to ending school shootings, then explain the VT shooting. Virginia Tech had an entire police department complete with a SWAT unit. Explain Columbine, which had an armed officer on staff. When discussing an end to gun violence in schools, there should be NOTHING left off of the table.

Ronald Reagan, a huge gun proponent and signor of the Brady Bill, wrote to Congress in 1994 asking them to propose legislation limiting or stopping altogether the manufacture of guns classified as assault weapon. And anyone saying "assault weapon" is a made up term should remember that every word in every language is, in fact, made up.

And yes, criminals don't typically obey laws, but we still have them. Can you use that logic to say there should be none at all? No.

Let me be clear, I am NOT anti gun. I have nothing against guns or responsible gun owners. I served proudly in the military, I worked in armed security, I've hunted, and enjoy target shooting since I was a kid. And I'm sure most gun enthusiasts are the same way. However, this issue should be discussed logically and rationally, and all I see are comments and pictures that are anything but rational and for the most part, are just viral, inflammatory, unresearched, vitriol.

The president enacted 23 executive actions today, of which only 2 have anything to do with limiting the availability of a category of gun or a magazine capacity. The remaining 21 deal with aspects regarding background checks, school safety and mental health system requirements and deficiencies. Will it be a perfect solution? No. Will it help? We'll see. Is it better than doing nothing? Definitely. If we keep using the statement, "It's too soon to talk about it." after each tragedy, pretty soon, we'll never talk about it.

OK, so maybe it ended up closer to $2.00 instead of 2 cents. So sue me.


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Awesome! K&R! nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #1
Note to Josh: Calm down. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #2
Note to NYC_SKP: Take your own advice. beac Jan 2013 #6
Josh sez, "The president enacted 23 executive actions today,..." Bullshit. Carry on... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #7
I don't Facebook and I am very aware of beac Jan 2013 #42
No, you don't. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #44
Uh huh... beac Jan 2013 #46
Yes, indeed. So, what is your point? NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #47
ummm... They'll be peace when they are done? a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #50
If you truly feel no shmae in posting that the day after little children were slaughtered, beac Jan 2013 #69
And there you go.... Sherman A1 Jan 2013 #59
I used to give things the old "meh" also LanternWaste Jan 2013 #11
If he had said: "America's defense budget is greater than the next A Simple Game Jan 2013 #41
That's an awful response to someone trying to do something good. nolabear Jan 2013 #51
I wouldn't have written it to that actual Josh if Josh was a DU member. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #62
Very well stated. MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #3
Great argument. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #4
This part Berserker Jan 2013 #5
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #9
Can you please self edit? Separation Jan 2013 #22
That's not what's being said and you know it. baldguy Jan 2013 #10
That's exactly what was said ....... oldhippie Jan 2013 #35
Please, show me where the OP, the OP's source, the President, or anyone else is belittling baldguy Jan 2013 #36
I said nothing about what was alledged ....... oldhippie Jan 2013 #37
Then you are wrong. baldguy Jan 2013 #40
Reading comprehension .... oldhippie Jan 2013 #52
And post #5 asserts the two statements mean the same thing. They don't. baldguy Jan 2013 #54
I understand your frustration LanternWaste Jan 2013 #12
Statistically speaking, he's right. nt shireen Jan 2013 #23
You cannot be serious! n-t Logical Jan 2013 #32
RU Berserk? Coyotl Jan 2013 #38
So let me hey this straight nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #39
Did you really have to shit all over my favorite movie with your sign line picture? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #49
Thanks for sharing! Excdllent post rustydog Jan 2013 #8
From a lifelong gun Old Codger Jan 2013 #13
Agreed, but it's a tiny, irrelevant number of people who want to "get rid of all guns" MH1 Jan 2013 #34
Punctution is your friend, OC. juajen Jan 2013 #55
Gee Thanks Old Codger Jan 2013 #56
Marshal Law? kwassa Jan 2013 #67
sorry bout that Old Codger Jan 2013 #68
Just shared this on my own FB page SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2013 #14
K&R blkbear Jan 2013 #15
Great post! NealK Jan 2013 #16
Great gun control rant... ReRe Jan 2013 #17
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2013 #18
Kick. I think the quality of this post is indicated by the lameness of the Squinch Jan 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Jan 2013 #20
Excellent post Shireen Hekate Jan 2013 #21
a great post - that I just posed on my FB timeline Douglas Carpenter Jan 2013 #24
Thank you for posting. liberalmuse Jan 2013 #25
K&R and Shared. patrice Jan 2013 #26
OK Bay Boy Jan 2013 #27
Always Good to Hear Martin Eden Jan 2013 #28
I agree with the OP. I am also a gun owner. I have one simple suggestion. ... spin Jan 2013 #29
Your comments are very good, I'm a gun owner, a hunter oldbanjo Jan 2013 #43
Both McCain and Romney had a mixed history on support gun rights. ... spin Jan 2013 #48
Good Point riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #53
A welcome bit of sanity. Thanks. Flatulo Jan 2013 #66
assault weapons are for killing. That's why all my soldiers train and carry them. pasto76 Jan 2013 #30
I have no use for a AR15 in .223 caliber oldbanjo Jan 2013 #45
"...more children are killed in the US by guns than in the entire Middle East region..." SunSeeker Jan 2013 #31
K & R Wednesdays Jan 2013 #33
this is brilliant. very well researched and well done samsingh Jan 2013 #57
Very good post Vietnameravet Jan 2013 #58
I'm posting this to my facebook page Coolest Ranger Jan 2013 #60
Shared on my FB easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #61
That's pretty good, but it doesn't address the $$$ involved, and who stands to lose them. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #63
So often, my thoughts on this come back to one thing ... Akoto Jan 2013 #64
kick samsingh Jan 2013 #65
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